Declaration to immigration for one night away ?

[Fullstop]

Then should I declared it to the Police once In Nakkon if I decide to stay one night ?

So when is Thailand putting together a farang hoop jumping team for the Olympics? It would be GOLD GOLD GOLD! Do it Thailand! You're flippin' crazy enough.

[poweratradio]

Cost of sending it TNT which is pretty safe is less than 700 baht. Probaby 2 days but if you ar lucky one.

I am not suborn... So what is TNT ?

Like the Thai version of Fed Ex.

http://www.tnt.com/express/en_th/site/home.html

TNT is worldwide sir. More a bulk mailer than a courier but I see they are trying for Fed Ex & DHL status

[harrry]

Cost of sending it TNT which is pretty safe is less than 700 baht. Probaby 2 days but if you ar lucky one.

I am not suborn... So what is TNT ?

Like the Thai version of Fed Ex.

http://www.tnt.com/express/en_th/site/home.html

TNT is worldwide sir. More a bulk mailer than a courier but I see they are trying for Fed Ex & DHL status

Worldwide and founded by an Australian Truckie. A lot more than a bulk mailer.

[malt25]

Me thinks if you went to a police station to report that you were away from your registered residence for one or two nights, they would question your ability to be out on your own. Yes, yes, I know it's the LAW, but really...... they don't care.

[IMA_FARANG]

In most hotels reporting your stay there is done by the hotel management.

That is why they copy your passport when you check in.

That is used by the hotel to notify the local police of your stay in a their hotel.

Most times tourists don't even realize why the copy is made of the I.D. page of their passport.

[Liquorice]

malt25, on 20 Nov 2014 - 07:58, said:

Me thinks if you went to a police station to report that you were away from your registered residence for one or two nights, they would question your ability to be out on your own. Yes, yes, I know it's the LAW, but really...... they don't care.

Have you overstayed your extension?

[harrry]

What people forget is that they leave their registered address register in a hotel and they return to their original address the owner has to re-register them. Silly yes but that is how it works.

Edited November 20, 2014 by harrry

[paz]

What people forget is that they leave their registered address register in a hotel and they return to their original address the owner has to re-register them. Silly yes but that is how it works.

It works like that in your mind only. Now come back all heated up showing what your understanding of the "law" is. And some name calling.

[JAS21]

What people forget is that they leave their registered address register in a hotel and they return to their original address the owner has to re-register them. Silly yes but that is how it works.

It works like that in your mind only. Now come back all heated up showing what your understanding of the "law" is. And some name calling.

My understanding is the same as Harry ...I was looking forward to ubonjoe clarifying the issue ...if Harry and I are correct in our understanding ... Hell!

[ubonjoe]

You both are not correct. Reporting done by hotels and etc. are considered a temporary stay. I don't think immigration even bothers pulling up a persons record and entering it.

There is no need to report again when you return home.

I have never had to file a TM28 and my wife has never had to do a TM30.

[Liquorice]

The Act itself is very ambiguous and open to misinterpretation.

Section 37 : An alien having received a temporary entry permit into the Kingdom

must comply with the following :

1. Shall not engage in the occupation or temporary or employment

unless authorized by the Director General. or competent official deputized by the

Director General . If , in any case , there is a law concerning alien employment

provided hereafter , the granting of work privileges must comply with the law

concerned.

2. Shall stay at the place as indicated to the competent official.

Where there is proper reason that he cannot stay at the place as indicated to the

competent official, he shall notify the competent official of the change in

residence , within 24 hours from the time of removing to said place.

3. Shall notify the police official of the local police station where such

alien resides, within twenty – four hours from the time of arrival. In the case of

change in residence in which new residence is not located the same area with the

former police stations , such alien must notify the police official of the police

station for that area within twenty – four hours from the time of arrival.

4. If the alien travels to any province and will stay there longer than

twenty – four hours , such alien must notify the police official of the police station

for that area within forty – eight hours from the time of arrival.

5. If the alien stays in the Kingdom longer than ninety days, such

alien must notify the competent official at the Immigration Division , in writing ,

concerning his place of stay , as soon as possible upon expiration of ninety days.

The alien is required to do so every ninety days. Where there is an Immigration

Office , the alien may notify a competent Immigration Official of that office.

It then adds;

The provision of ( 3 ) and ( 4 ) shall not apply to any cases under

Section 34 by any conditions as prescribed by the Director General.

Section 34;

Section 34 : aliens entering into the kingdom for a temporary stay may enter for

the below listed activities ;

1. Diplomatic or Consular Missions.

2. Performance of official duties.

3. Touring

4. Sporting

5. Business

6. Investing under the concurrence of the Ministries and Departments

concerned.

7. Investing or other activities relating to investing subject to the

provisions of the law on investment promotion.

8. Transit journey.

9. Being the person in charge of the crew of a conveyance coming to

port, station , or area in the Kingdom.

10. Study or observation.

11. Mass media.

12. Missionary work under the concurrence of the Ministries and

departments concerned.

13. Scientific research or training or teach in a Research Institute in

the Kingdom.

14. The practice of skilled handicraft or as a specialist

15. Other activities as prescribed in the Ministerial Regulations.

So those entering the Kingdom for one of the above reasons is exempt from 3 and 4 of Section 37.

But then reading Section 35;

Section 35 : The Director General or the competent official deputized by the

Director General shall have the authority to permit the alien , who entered to stay

temporarily in the Kingdom under Section 34 , to remain in the Kingdom under

any prescribed conditions. The periods of time which one is authorized to stay in

the Kingdom are as Follows :

1. Not exceeding 30 days for a case under Section 34 (4) , (8) and (

9 )

2. Not exceeding 90 days for a case under Section 34 (3)

3. Not exceeding one year for a case under Section 34 (5) , (10),

(11) , (12), (13) , (14) and (15)

4. Not exceeding two years for a case under Section 34 (6)

5. As deemed necessary for a case under Section 34 (1) and (2)

6. As deemed appropriate by the Commission of Investment

Promotion , for a case under Section 34 (7)

If it is deemed necessary that the aliens have to stay in the Kingdom Longer than

the period of time prescribed in the paragraphs (1) (2) (3) and (4) the Director

General shall consider granting the aliens extension of stay for a period not

exceeding one year for each time. After granting permission , the Director

General shall report to the Commission for their information , with the reason ,

within seven days from the date of granting.

Each time when applying for an extension of temporary stay in the

Kingdom , the alien shall submit an application and pay the fees as prescribed in

the Ministerial Regulations. While waiting for directives the alien may be

permitted to stay.

That would mean those being granted an extension of stay would fall under 15 of Section 34.

That being the case 90 day reporting is sufficient to report your address and touring would not need to be reported.

However moving permanent residency would still require you to follow the procedures in order to comply with 90 reports of permanent residency.

That's my interpretation, others may have a different opinion. As long as I didn't change my permanent place of residency, I wouldn't report any change of temporary residency such as a week in Pattaya or a few nights at a friends home. But that's just my take on it.

[merijn]

You both are not correct. Reporting done by hotels and etc. are considered a temporary stay. I don't think immigration even bothers pulling up a persons record and entering it.

There is no need to report again when you return home.

I have never had to file a TM28 and my wife has never had to do a TM30.

Ubonjoe, Unfortunately you are wrong this time.

The address provided by the hotels will be entered in the immigration computer.

As soon this is done the current registered address which is updated with the new one.

When you arrive back home you will need to do the registration again to update the immigration computer.

Therefore if you live in Thailand and checkin into a hotel in Thailand you have to do the registration again after arriving back home.

But as we know not all hotels are doing the registration and therefore it is possible that the registration is not updated with the hotel address and your home address is this in the immigration computer.

[ubonjoe]

You both are not correct. Reporting done by hotels and etc. are considered a temporary stay. I don't think immigration even bothers pulling up a persons record and entering it.

There is no need to report again when you return home.

I have never had to file a TM28 and my wife has never had to do a TM30.

Ubonjoe, Unfortunately you are wrong this time.

The address provided by the hotels will be entered in the immigration computer.

As soon this is done the current registered address which is updated with the new one.

When you arrive back home you will need to do the registration again to update the immigration computer.

Therefore if you live in Thailand and checkin into a hotel in Thailand you have to do the registration again after arriving back home.

But as we know not all hotels are doing the registration and therefore it is possible that the registration is not updated with the hotel address and your home address is this in the immigration computer.

That might depend upon which immigration office that gets the report from a hotel. I also find hard to believe that immigration has the manpower do it considering the number of reports they would have to deal with.

And it probably also would depend upon the kind of permit to stay that a person had. I have checked into hotels that I know did the report and my immigration office did not mention my address was wrong when I did my 90 day reports or extensions.

[merijn]

You both are not correct. Reporting done by hotels and etc. are considered a temporary stay. I don't think immigration even bothers pulling up a persons record and entering it.

There is no need to report again when you return home.

I have never had to file a TM28 and my wife has never had to do a TM30.

Ubonjoe, Unfortunately you are wrong this time.

The address provided by the hotels will be entered in the immigration computer.

As soon this is done the current registered address which is updated with the new one.

When you arrive back home you will need to do the registration again to update the immigration computer.

Therefore if you live in Thailand and checkin into a hotel in Thailand you have to do the registration again after arriving back home.

But as we know not all hotels are doing the registration and therefore it is possible that the registration is not updated with the hotel address and your home address is this in the immigration computer.

That might depend upon which immigration office that gets the report from a hotel. I also find hard to believe that immigration has the manpower do it considering the number of reports they would have to deal with.

And it probably also would depend upon the kind of permit to stay that a person had. I have checked into hotels that I know did the report and my immigration office did not mention my address was wrong when I did my 90 day reports or extensions.

Off course it all depends if the immigration office is doing something with the hotel reports or if they receive a report, But officially they should update their records and my experience from Phuket is that they will update the computer in most cases.

Also they are getting more serious on hotels to do the reporting. (from personal experience)

BTW the registration is only checked while applying for a long stay extension and not during the 90 day reporting.

[Liquorice]

merijn, on 22 Nov 2014 - 12:32, said:

ubonjoe, on 22 Nov 2014 - 12:03, said:

merijn, on 22 Nov 2014 - 11:36, said:

ubonjoe, on 22 Nov 2014 - 09:20, said:

You both are not correct. Reporting done by hotels and etc. are considered a temporary stay. I don't think immigration even bothers pulling up a persons record and entering it.

There is no need to report again when you return home.

I have never had to file a TM28 and my wife has never had to do a TM30.

Ubonjoe, Unfortunately you are wrong this time.

The address provided by the hotels will be entered in the immigration computer.

As soon this is done the current registered address which is updated with the new one.

When you arrive back home you will need to do the registration again to update the immigration computer.

Therefore if you live in Thailand and checkin into a hotel in Thailand you have to do the registration again after arriving back home.

But as we know not all hotels are doing the registration and therefore it is possible that the registration is not updated with the hotel address and your home address is this in the immigration computer.

That might depend upon which immigration office that gets the report from a hotel. I also find hard to believe that immigration has the manpower do it considering the number of reports they would have to deal with.

And it probably also would depend upon the kind of permit to stay that a person had. I have checked into hotels that I know did the report and my immigration office did not mention my address was wrong when I did my 90 day reports or extensions.

Off course it all depends if the immigration office is doing something with the hotel reports or if they receive a report, But officially they should update their records and my experience from Phuket is that they will update the computer in most cases.

Also they are getting more serious on hotels to do the reporting. (from personal experience)

BTW the registration is only checked while applying for a long stay extension and not during the 90 day reporting.

Taking your debate a step further and assuming you are correct.

From your experience you state you have stayed in a number of hotels. The hotels have registered your location, OK.

Did you in each case follow the procedure to report your temporary stay to the local police or immigration...........I think not.

Have you had any repercussions from either an immigration office or the police for not doing so.........I think not.

According to the Act hoteliers have to register guests to Immigration, but not the guests, they already have permission to tour or stay in Thailand.

There may be certain cases, or nationalities that do have to report every movement, but I'm sure in those cases they will be made aware of that.

The average Tom, Dick or Harry who has a Visa or Extension to stay only has to report their permanent address every 12 months, and confirm that address every 3 months. In-between they can travel to any destination in Thailand. After all it is a Visa or Extension to stay in the Kingdom.

[ubonjoe]

I think calling it a a registration is wrong when you check into a hotel the correct term is report. I only means you checked in for all intents and purposes,

As I said I have never been bothered for not reporting again after a trip where I checked into a hotel and they reported my check in.

I have only done the reports of staying longer than 90 days after I got my first extension. When I did my first extension that was the first time I had given my address to immigration other than on a TM6 when I arrived in the country.

[harrry]

I think calling it a a registration is wrong when you check into a hotel the correct term is report. I only means you checked in for all intents and purposes,

As I said I have never been bothered for not reporting again after a trip where I checked into a hotel and they reported my check in.

I have only done the reports of staying longer than 90 days after I got my first extension. When I did my first extension that was the first time I had given my address to immigration other than on a TM6 when I arrived in the country.

Has your wife or landlord done the one to report you living in the house?

[Liquorice]

You can be both the homeowner and the alien.

Therefore you could complete both the TM28 and the TM30.

[merijn]

Taking your debate a step further and assuming you are correct.

From your experience you state you have stayed in a number of hotels. The hotels have registered your location, OK.

Did you in each case follow the procedure to report your temporary stay to the local police or immigration...........I think not.

Have you had any repercussions from either an immigration office or the police for not doing so.........I think not.

According to the Act hoteliers have to register guests to Immigration, but not the guests, they already have permission to tour or stay in Thailand.

There may be certain cases, or nationalities that do have to report every movement, but I'm sure in those cases they will be made aware of that.

The average Tom, Dick or Harry who has a Visa or Extension to stay only has to report their permanent address every 12 months, and confirm that address every 3 months. In-between they can travel to any destination in Thailand. After all it is a Visa or Extension to stay in the Kingdom.

Do i follow the procedure every time? No i do not but i make sure that the registration is up to date before i apply for my yearly extension so i don't get any possible problem.

As they only check the registration (for now) at this extension i don't have any problems with the 90 day reporting.

Your last statement is not correct as the hotel should inform immigration of your arrival and immigration should update their register but if this happens every time? Who knows but you will find out when you do your yearly extension.

[ubonjoe]

I think calling it a a registration is wrong when you check into a hotel the correct term is report. I only means you checked in for all intents and purposes,

As I said I have never been bothered for not reporting again after a trip where I checked into a hotel and they reported my check in.

I have only done the reports of staying longer than 90 days after I got my first extension. When I did my first extension that was the first time I had given my address to immigration other than on a TM6 when I arrived in the country.

Has your wife or landlord done the one to report you living in the house?

I wrote this in a previous post "I have never had to file a TM28 and my wife has never had to do a TM30".

[Mrjlh]

I really don't know what all the fuss is about. Last month just before my 90 day report, i took a week and half long trip up north. Stayed in 5 different hotels from Bangkok to Korat to Kanchanburi to Hua Hin to Saratthani and not once did i need to or even report anything. Did my 90 day and not a word spoken or mentioned.

[merijn]

I really don't know what all the fuss is about. Last month just before my 90 day report, i took a week and half long trip up north. Stayed in 5 different hotels from Bangkok to Korat to Kanchanburi to Hua Hin to Saratthani and not once did i need to or even report anything. Did my 90 day and not a word spoken or mentioned.

Because they don't check the address registration during a 90 day reporting.

[IMA_FARANG]

Here's my experience.

I lived in Bangkok at my Thai girlfriend's house for my first 2 years in Bangkok.

My girlfriend tried hard to find someone to report the fact that I was living there in the house she owned for that 2 years.

No body at the police or immigration cared.

After 2 years I left that house and moved into a rented room at a hotel/residence

Finally, on one of my 90 day reports, I deliberately my residential address at immigration.

Until I did that, at least 8 months, after I moved out of my Thai girlfriends house, the residence address the immigration still had for me was my girlfriends house.

The residence address they had for me wasn't changed until I changed it myself by filing in the form at immigration.

But, as I said, this was in Bangkok.....it may not be typical of other areas of the country.

In my opinion, in the Bangkok area anyway, they simply don't have the people or time to check the residence of all the Farangs living in the area.

[Liquorice]

I moved home 2 months ago. I completed the TM 28, the landlord the TM 30.

I would only do this again if I moved to another permanent residence, not a temporary place of stay for a week or two.

[merijn]

I moved home 2 months ago. I completed the TM 28, the landlord the TM 30.

I would only do this again if I moved to another permanent residence, not a temporary place of stay for a week or two.

Whatever makes you happy.

[paz]

I moved home 2 months ago. I completed the TM 28, the landlord the TM 30.

I would only do this again if I moved to another permanent residence, not a temporary place of stay for a week or two.

Whatever makes you happy.

Not happiness, it's the correct practice.

If you want to use your incorrect understanding to inconvenience yourself and the police, that's your business, but don't mock others for doing correctly. Here's again the answer from ubonjoe for any casual reader:

You both are not correct. Reporting done by hotels and etc. are considered a temporary stay. I don't think immigration even bothers pulling up a persons record and entering it.

There is no need to report again when you return home.

[merijn]

I moved home 2 months ago. I completed the TM 28, the landlord the TM 30.

I would only do this again if I moved to another permanent residence, not a temporary place of stay for a week or two.

Whatever makes you happy.

Not happiness, it's the correct practice.

If you want to use your incorrect understanding to inconvenience yourself and the police, that's your business, but don't mock others for doing correctly. Here's again the answer from ubonjoe for any casual reader:

You both are not correct. Reporting done by hotels and etc. are considered a temporary stay. I don't think immigration even bothers pulling up a persons record and entering it.

There is no need to report again when you return home.

You don't have to believe me but why don't you just ask the immigration.

Like i asked the captain of Phuket Immigration.

[paz]

You don't have to believe me but why don't you just ask the immigration.

Like i asked the captain of Phuket Immigration.

I don't need to ask anybody. This site has been running (i guess) 15 years and has tens of thousand of reports - all consistent. You got the answer already, you're welcome to disagree but stop trying to spread misinformation.

[merijn]

You don't have to believe me but why don't you just ask the immigration.

Like i asked the captain of Phuket Immigration.

I don't need to ask anybody. This site has been running (i guess) 15 years and has tens of thousand of reports - all consistent. You got the answer already, you're welcome to disagree but stop trying to spread misinformation.

My excuse.

Off course you don't have to ask as you have tens of thousands of reports.

I will stick with the confirmation i have from the immigration itself and what i experience on a daily basis.

[ubonjoe]

You don't have to believe me but why don't you just ask the immigration.

Like i asked the captain of Phuket Immigration.

I don't need to ask anybody. This site has been running (i guess) 15 years and has tens of thousand of reports - all consistent. You got the answer already, you're welcome to disagree but stop trying to spread misinformation.

My excuse.

Off course you don't have to ask as you have tens of thousands of reports.

I will stick with the confirmation i have from the immigration itself and what i experience on a daily basis.

The only confirmation and experience you have is for Phuket immigration. They have their own special way of doing things. Some even that are outside the written rules.

We go by reports from all over the country.

I think is time to end the bickering.