The PC Police and Football

[mrtoad]

The last few weeks has been interesting in football, what with the Ched Evans issues at Sheffield United and now The Escapades at Wigan with the appointment of Malky McKay and further comments from Dave Whelan.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/nov/20/wigan-dave-whelan-accused-antisemitism-jewish-people

Now, my point here is that I am not condoning the actions of McKay or Evans, both have been punished previously for their actions - Evans went ot jail and McKay got the boot, but it seems that a lot of the supposed "tolerent ones" are very "intolerent" of people who make mistakes, and feel that they should live in eternal damnation.

Should Evans be allowed to play again?

Should be McKay be allowed to manage again?

Maybe people have some view on this. Personally, I think Sheffield United have made a mistake in allowing Evans to train with them, and it might have been better if he had gone elsewhere to train and play - this was always going to be high profile. I have my thoughts on the whole thing as well, but would probably be lynched by The PC mob on that.

As McKay, well some of his stuff was priavte texts, which has been used against him. Yes, distasteful, yes ill conceived, yes dated - but <deleted> he hasn't murdered someone. He got fired with no compo, and he will have that hanging around his neck for ever, surely enough.

Whelan's comments though are pretty thoughtless, and McKay could have done without him making them.

Anyway, rant over, be interested what others think?

Edited November 21, 2014 by mrtoad

[carmine]

I suppose it comes down to whether or not you believe that when someones done their time, then thats it. Certainly in the case of Ched Evans, despite the fact that he isn't the slightest bit repentant of his actions.

Whelans and Mckay are just a pair of knobs imho.

[arthurwait]

No place for someone like that in employment in the modern world, why should other employees have to put up with it ?

Certainly not at a community club like ours which is situated in one of the most multicultural places in the country and pretty much supported exclusively by people from the area or whose parents were. As are the employees.

We have a long and proud history of multi cultural players, black players especially and especially with the local lads that come through the academy being from all backgrounds.

Racists are not welcome at Palace or in the surrounding community, racists have no place in South London.

If you're talking about Cardiff , perhaps calling your Malaysian Chinese boss a 'Chink' isn't the best way to keep your job.

Edited November 21, 2014 by arthurwait

[mrtoad]

I suppose it comes down to whether or not you believe that when someones done their time, then thats it. Certainly in the case of Ched Evans, despite the fact that he isn't the slightest bit repentant of his actions.

Whelans and Mckay are just a pair of knobs imho.

Yeah, I guess Evans hasn't shown any repentance, because he feels that he is not guilty. Not saying that he is or he isn't, but he has done his time.

Looks like he wont be going to Sheffield United now anyhow.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/nov/20/ched-evans-training-offer-withdrawn-sheffield-united

Agree on the later, that both are Knobs - but if that was reason for them not being allowed to be involved in football 80% of the game would be lost

[mrtoad]

P.S Ron Atkinson never really worked much after his infamous comments either

[StevieH]

dave whelan is a nasty bigoted thatcher-loving <deleted>.

if ched evans had shown any sign of remorse at all i might have a twinge of leeway for him. but no, he's a convicted rapist and the idea of a ground full of people singing his name and worshipping him turns the stomach to be honest.

malky mackay's obviously a complete tit. and how do wigan police their own fans now? fans who chant racist stuff are thrown out and banned from the club, quite rightly. but it's ok if the manager does it in text messages?

[champers]

Sheffield Utd are in a multi-racial & multi-cultural city and in this case the people have spoken; including those held in high regard in the community. I wouldn't want Ched Evans playing for my team, I wouldn't want him working in my company. Regardless of guilt his behaviour during the incident was reprehensible. Yes, he has served his time, but the consequences and people's opinions don't change the day he leaves prison.

[arthurwait]

Just for clarification of our multicultural employees........

..... see we're not the PC police.

[carmine]

P.S Ron Atkinson never really worked much after his infamous comments either

Remember Atkinsons Albion with The Three Degrees, Regis Cunningham and Batson!

I suppose now that nickname would be frowned upon as being not PC? Sad if so because no offense meant.

Edited November 21, 2014 by carmine

[mrtoad]

P.S Ron Atkinson never really worked much after his infamous comments either

Remember Atkinsons Albion with The Three Degrees, Regis Cunningham and Batson!

I suppose now that nickname would be frowned upon as being not PC? Sad if so because no offense meant.

Yep, that would probably be seen as offensive today Edited November 21, 2014 by mrtoad

[Macclad]

Evans has served his time.I guess only he or the young lady involved really know if he was guilty or not.It is a serious and difficult case.

He should be allowed to play again but certainly not at Sheffield United.I think abroad is easily his best option.

Mackay was daft to tweet what he did but I would hardly call it a serious offence.A fine and warning should be sufficient for this and no problem with him managing again.

Whelan.....to make the comments he did given the circumstances shows either complete arrogance or completely out of toach with reality.

[mrbojangles]

I do believe that people who have done their time should be able to get on with life afterwards but as stevieh says, not a job where it involves you being a role model and being adored by thousands of fans. Lots of other jobs where you don't get a second chance in the same career following imprisonment. Maybe he will need to take up busking or taking up a job behind the scenes....in a restaurant kitchen.

No specific view on the other two clowns.

[SantiSuk]

Bladdy ridiculous that Evans is condemned for longer than the sentence that society imposed on him. People jumping on a massive PC bandwagon. Agree with others - whether he is repentent or not is irrelevant - he's done his time and he has every right to disagree with his conviction.

[StevieH]

There's nothing 'PC' about this by the way. Political correctness is a good thing, it's basically institutionalized politeness. Not being a c*nt to people. This isn't about that.

[mrbojangles]

Bladdy ridiculous that Evans is condemned for longer than the sentence that society imposed on him. People jumping on a massive PC bandwagon.

This isn't jumping on a PC bandwagon. Do you think the father of the girl thinks this is merely PC? The guy is a convicted rapist, the prison sentence was just punishment for the crime he committed, he is still a rapist and it doesn't wipe his slate clean. Would a policeman, or any other professional for that matter, get his job back if he had served a prison sentence?

[oldgit]

I do believe that people who have done their time should be able to get on with life afterwards but as stevieh says, not a job where it involves you being a role model and being adored by thousands of fans. Lots of other jobs where you don't get a second chance in the same career following imprisonment. Maybe he will need to take up busking or taking up a job behind the scenes....in a restaurant kitchen.

No specific view on the other two clowns.

Quite right. If he was a teacher and was found guilty of raping a student or a fellow teacher, he would be given extremely short shrift, if attempting to regain his job. The perpetrator of this type of crime is tarred and feathered for the rest of his life. Good riddance to the sack of dung.

[nev]

Is Chad Evans any good as a footballer, never heard of him before his rape charge, as for Malky he should never manage again he is a complete racist that who maybe in the 70s would be slapped on his back for his comments but not now a days.

[SantiSuk]

If you want to change the law and permanently tar and feather someone for certain crimes that you don't like, then campaign to change the law. Don't impose sentencing by mob rule/social networking rule. You guys presumably think that lynch mobs are appropriate in the right conditions. Your emotions are leading you to dangerous and illogical conclusions.

I agree that there may be special circumstances where someone who has been convicted of an offense and may carry it out again (particularly where there is no contrition) in which it might be appropriate for an employer to refuse to employ. It would not be right if he were applying to be a handyman at a girls school for instance. But a footballer at a football club? You are just exercising your selective revulsion at particular offences; the danger in that is that all prisoners eventually get ruled out from ever being reintegrated into society.

Why should one section of society that include some of you guys decide for all of us by megaphone policy what are the appropriate and informally determined on-the-fly durations of punishment.

[rgs2001uk]

There's nothing 'PC' about this by the way. Political correctness is a good thing, it's basically institutionalized politeness. Not being a c*nt to people. This isn't about that.

So why is CE being hung out to dry by the PC liberal left wing types.

He did his crime, he did his time, why aint he allowed to play again?

What next, every ex con cant go back to work?

I hope CE is smart enough to get a bunch of lawyers onto this and sue the ass off everyone involved.

Not being a c*nt to people.

So, why are the bleeding heart left wing liberals throwing this guy under the bus?

Political correctness is a good thing,

Thank my budda I live in Thailand.

[tw25rw]

Personally, I think Evans has a case and hope he gets his career back, but I do think he should get the conviction overturned first. If he fails with that, then it's park football for him on principle, even if really didn't do it.

As for Mackay, I think he should have to do some awareness course and some kind of community service, but lose his career as Tan seems to think he deserves. I think Tan is just bitter that someone spoilt his fun by giving Mackay a job.

[tw25rw]

There's nothing 'PC' about this by the way. Political correctness is a good thing, it's basically institutionalized politeness. Not being a c*nt to people. This isn't about that.

So why is CE being hung out to dry by the PC liberal left wing types.

He did his crime, he did his time, why aint he allowed to play again?

What next, every ex con cant go back to work?

I hope CE is smart enough to get a bunch of lawyers onto this and sue the ass off everyone involved.

Not being a c*nt to people.

So, why are the bleeding heart left wing liberals throwing this guy under the bus?

Political correctness is a good thing,

Thank my budda I live in Thailand.

Personally, I'd like to see anyone use terms like "bleeding heart left wing liberals" tied to a pole and be severely beaten.

The decision as to whether he gets to play again is a football decision made by football people based on what is good for the game. It shouldn't involve the courts. Plenty of lines of work require background checks and block people with a criminal record. It's just tough shit it it stops you doing the job you want to do.

[tw25rw]

Is Chad Evans any good as a footballer, never heard of him before his rape charge, as for Malky he should never manage again he is a complete racist that who maybe in the 70s would be slapped on his back for his comments but not now a days.

He was a good lower division striker before he went down.

[StevieH]

There's nothing 'PC' about this by the way. Political correctness is a good thing, it's basically institutionalized politeness. Not being a c*nt to people. This isn't about that.

So why is CE being hung out to dry by the PC liberal left wing types.

He did his crime, he did his time, why aint he allowed to play again?

What next, every ex con cant go back to work?

I hope CE is smart enough to get a bunch of lawyers onto this and sue the ass off everyone involved.

Not being a c*nt to people.

So, why are the bleeding heart left wing liberals throwing this guy under the bus?

Political correctness is a good thing,

Thank my budda I live in Thailand.

bleeding heart liberals. bless 'em. he's a convicted rapist. "can't go back to work". sure he can, he's done his sentence so go ed lad. just would like to think there's still enough morals in the world that we don't sing the name of , you know, a convicted rapist. he's a convicted rapist. for <deleted>'s sake. hung out to dry my arse you <deleted> <deleted>.

[jellydog]

There's nothing 'PC' about this by the way. Political correctness is a good thing, it's basically institutionalized politeness. Not being a c*nt to people. This isn't about that.

So why is CE being hung out to dry by the PC liberal left wing types.

He did his crime, he did his time, why aint he allowed to play again?

What next, every ex con cant go back to work?

I hope CE is smart enough to get a bunch of lawyers onto this and sue the ass off everyone involved.

Not being a c*nt to people.

So, why are the bleeding heart left wing liberals throwing this guy under the bus?

Political correctness is a good thing,

Thank my budda I live in Thailand.

Personally, I'd like to see anyone use terms like "bleeding heart left wing liberals" tied to a pole and be severely beaten.

The decision as to whether he gets to play again is a football decision made by football people based on what is good for the game. It shouldn't involve the courts. Plenty of lines of work require background checks and block people with a criminal record. It's just tough shit it it stops you doing the job you want to do.

[SantiSuk]

Surely it is those of us who think he should not be given double jeopardy that are the liberals. Crucifying a guy for life on the basis of moral outrage about the offence is 'white van man' thinking (to use another currently controversial subject!), not 'PC'.

If someone wanted to call me a bleeding heart liberal I don't take that as an offence

[mrtoad]

There's nothing 'PC' about this by the way. Political correctness is a good thing, it's basically institutionalized politeness. Not being a c*nt to people. This isn't about that.

So why is CE being hung out to dry by the PC liberal left wing types.

He did his crime, he did his time, why aint he allowed to play again?

What next, every ex con cant go back to work?

I hope CE is smart enough to get a bunch of lawyers onto this and sue the ass off everyone involved.

Not being a c*nt to people.

So, why are the bleeding heart left wing liberals throwing this guy under the bus?

Political correctness is a good thing,

Thank my budda I live in Thailand.

Personally, I'd like to see anyone use terms like "bleeding heart left wing liberals" tied to a pole and be severely beaten.

The decision as to whether he gets to play again is a football decision made by football people based on what is good for the game. It shouldn't involve the courts. Plenty of lines of work require background checks and block people with a criminal record. It's just tough shit it it stops you doing the job you want to do.

There is though a huge difference in a footballer or for exsmple teachers, doctors, nurses, social workers etc. There is a list cslled POVA which stops certain people working with people.

Evsns got the right to appeal and given the circumstances he probably has a good case.

[carmine]

Bladdy ridiculous that Evans is condemned for longer than the sentence that society imposed on him. People jumping on a massive PC bandwagon. Agree with others - whether he is repentent or not is irrelevant - he's done his time and he has every right to disagree with his conviction.

He didn't serve the full sentence did he? This part i overlooked earlier.

(i know this sounds a bit picky and somewhat contradicts my earlier post but i think theres a relevent question here in as much as should a guy be let out doing half his sentence when he shows a complete lack of remorse?) Thought he served half and was let out for good behavior despite being totally unrepentant for his crime.)

What a great role model he would make!

Edited November 22, 2014 by carmine

[rijit]

One of the issues held against evans is he' s shown no remorse, in norm issues than I can see that, but he' s 100% saying he's innocent and plans to appeal, surely a balanced veiw would take that into account ?

I'm wondering if co's withdrawing advertising from utd are reckoning irrespective of stance, they get more publicity by withdrawing now than staying on?

And i know it shouldnt be about money, but we all know its apart of all , utd paid 3 mil for him and being in div 1 , they probably wont be flush if they dont sign him he'll sign on for someone else and sheff utd will get nish? So they will prob' end up chasing evans in the courts for compensation? like the chavs did against whats his face? The romanian coke head. And i believe they won. I can see this one going on and on.

Ps i know it shouldnt be an issue but any womens opinions on here ?, maybe just to give it some balance?

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[carmine]

One of the issues held against evans is he' s shown no remorse, in norm issues than I can see that, but he' s 100% saying he's innocent and plans to appeal, surely a balanced veiw would take that into account ?

I'm wondering if co's withdrawing advertising from utd are reckoning irrespective of stance, they get more publicity by withdrawing now than staying on?

And i know it shouldnt be about money, but we all know its apart of all , utd paid 3 mil for him and being in div 1 , they probably wont be flush if they dont sign him he'll sign on for someone else and sheff utd will get nish? So they will prob' end up chasing evans in the courts for compensation? like the chavs did against whats his face? The romanian coke head. And i believe they won. I can see this one going on and on.

Ps i know it shouldnt be an issue but any womens opinions on here ?, maybe just to give it some balance?

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Charles Manson's still claiming to be innocent but he was found guilty too!!

[SantiSuk]

Charlie can be a pro footballer in my book if he likes