Potential dangers of radiation in normal urban environments, WiFi, etc.

[KhnomKhnom]

Many people wonder about the health effects of all kinds of modern radiating devices.

-The radiation under discussion is, first, Radio Frequency (RF) energy which are radio waves of many frequencies emitted by many various devices. Common RF radiators are cell hand telephones, WiFi, garage door openers, police radios, radio controlled quadcopters, and other radio and television signals. There have been published test results, not many, that indicated that RF in sufficient strengths... many multiples of common uses... can affect animal/human tissue, primarily by heating. The kind of RF inside a working microwave oven can, for example, boil the viterous inside human eyes , but in vastly reduced strengths, those same kinds of RF energy can run your hand phone and get TV from satellites to your home. The question is strength and focus.

There is no clear published science supporting harm from normal RF consumer devices. People who claim they are different and can feel radio waves or hear TV via the fillings in their teeth... and other health issues... have been discounted as people knowing the radiation is there and then psychologically imagining harm.

-A second, and allied, radiation is energy emitted by things like computer monitors and television sets. All energized electric wires will emit energy in the form of waves (not particles) even in the walls of your home. In fact, the average urban environment is quite saturated with many kinds of radiation. Publicly available science on the total bodily load amounts and perhaps limits is just not available. Likely authorities just do not want to know effects (imagine closing down all aircraft and police radios! ). So the public is left to guess.

-And as citizens of the surface of the Earth, we are bombarded mightily by Sun and space-originated wave and particle radiation. X-rays are a common example along with the heating action on skin from Sun overexposure. No one knows or wants to comment on any dangers to normal humans... but astronauts who travel beyond near-Earth, do get body damage which may include bone marrow changes and many other possibilities.

In sum, although we are all irradiated like crazy, there is no solid proof that normal levels harm humans, nor proof that humans can feel any of this radiation (except sunburn or SADS ) in normal daily life. But an open mind about all this could allow that some highly sensitive people do feel more than the heat.

[chickenslegs]

You omitted to mention whether or not a tinfoil hat would help.

[Patsycat]

I've been wearing mine for ages. I do change the shape of the horn bits occasionally but seems to work.

But then, i don't walk around with a phone glued to my head nor earplugs in my ears listenting to music other people don't want to listen to 24/7

Edited November 29, 2014 by Patsycat

[NeverSure]

You omitted to mention whether or not a tinfoil hat would help.

No one will tell me where I can get tinfoil. I can find only aluminum foil and I'm losing sleep over it.

[Patsycat]

Same thing, just put on an English accent.

[kannot]

You omitted to mention whether or not a tinfoil hat would help.

No one will tell me where I can get tinfoil. I can find only aluminum foil and I'm losing sleep over it.

What you need is a colendar............way more effective, I read tinfoil hats can boil your brain if you sit close to a 10000000 kilowatt heater and this can lead to brain/head explosion.

[Jdietz]

Just make sure the holes in the colander are smaller than the wavelength you are trying to block and all will be well.

d = f / C if you have the frequency and need to convert.

[NeverSure]

That colander appears to also be aluminuminuminuminum.

Back to square one.

Aliens are listening to everything I think. I need tinfoil.

[daveAustin]

What a depressing topic, why not top yourself! lol

I agree though, it's making us all sick and yet is under the radar somewhat and brushed off if considered at all. Don't live near pylons, sub stations or have your room near the condo building's transformer... all definitely not good. Though the life-giving sun (an immensely powerful ball of gas, let's not forget) and cosmic rays trump any earth-bound thing regards unhealthiness (is that a word?).

[kannot]

That colander appears to also be aluminuminuminuminum.

Back to square one.

Aliens are listening to everything I think. I need tinfoil.

No no you misunderstand its the holes that do it, it could actually be made of anything, I hear jellied

eels/ unobtainium are good, best to also wrap ones tadger in tinfoil only...............you dont want to end up like a Christmas Turkey now do you.

Pls go ahead and post the photo in the full outfit, Im sure like me all members would like to see it.

Only the names have been changed to protect the innocent

As an aside ....do you think any Thais would "get" this thread?

Edited November 29, 2014 by kannot

[kannot]

Just make sure the holes in the colander are smaller than the wavelength you are trying to block and all will be well.

d = f / C if you have the frequency and need to convert.

The results of no protection can easily be seen in your avatar. I mean just look what it did to the elephant.....a warning for all

[Robby nz]

I wonder what sort of lives people who worry about things like that lead, cant actually do much or go anywhere.

But there are places in this world where you can get away from all these things, deserts, in the middle of the ocean, the Arctic or Antarctic, even in this country there are forests where none of the radiation omitting gadgets exist, as long as you don't take a phone, and even if you did it wouldn't work.

But the sun would still be there, oh my god doomed, there is no hope, quick, end it all as painlessly as possible before your brain is fried and your head explodes.

[NeverSure]

That colander appears to also be aluminuminuminuminum.

Back to square one.

Aliens are listening to everything I think. I need tinfoil.

No no you misunderstand its the holes that do it, it could actually be made of anything, I hear jellied

eels/ unobtainium are good, best to also wrap ones tadger in tinfoil only...............you dont want to end up like a Christmas Turkey now do you.

Pls go ahead and post the photo in the full outfit, Im sure like me all members would like to see it.

Only the names have been changed to protect the innocent

As an aside ....do you think any Thais would "get" this thread?

I need tinfoil. Aluminum foil isn't working. Aliens answer my questions in my head before I ask them.

Of course Thais wouldn't get it. They don't need tinfoil. They have Thainess.

[simon43]

I have an MSc in Microwave & Satellite Engineering. spent 20 years in the industry designing and operating satcomms equipment, milcomms, commercial etc etc etc. Also a radio ham working daily in close proximity to radio transmitters.

It is absolutely true that regular exposure to RF radiation at certain frequencies/bands is 'not good' for you, due to the heating effect on the human tissue. So think microwave ovens and the like. Microwave ovens contain the radiation, but nowadays there are other devices that operate at a similar frequency which are intended to radiate. So think high power wifi routers and mobile phones, (especially the latest devices which operate at frequencies closer to 2.4GHz, the general frequency range which is the most optimum for heating human tissue (due to the corresponding wavelength).

For these types of device, the radiated power levels are low, but there is still a risk of dangerous exposure if the radiating device is placed near to 'liquid' tissue, such as in the eye. Hence the possible risk when holding a mobile phone close to your ear.

Away from the microwave region, there is a concern about being in close proximity to high power, low frequency radiation, such as might come from high voltage power lines or radio broadcast transmitters. Although not proven to be harmful, I would err on the side of caution and try to avoid living in close proximity to high voltage power lines, (difficult to do!).

I operate shortwave radio transmitters at my home in Phuket, but for the same reasons I don't operate them without the shielding enclosure, and I won't stand close to my radiating antenna, (more to do with the risk of an RF burn).

The intensity of an RF fields falls rapidly as you move away from the radiating source, so there is no risk if you live in a 'general' area where there are no RF transmitters very nearby.

[MJP]

Not really much to do with Thailand. Not closed but moved to the pub instead.

[Soutpeel]

That colander appears to also be aluminuminuminuminum.

Back to square one.

Aliens are listening to everything I think. I need tinfoil.

A depleted uranium colander is what is needed

[weegee]

That colander appears to also be aluminuminuminuminum.

Back to square one.

Aliens are listening to everything I think. I need tinfoil.

No no you misunderstand its the holes that do it, it could actually be made of anything, I hear jellied

eels/ unobtainium are good, best to also wrap ones tadger in tinfoil only...............you dont want to end up like a Christmas Turkey now do you.

Pls go ahead and post the photo in the full outfit, Im sure like me all members would like to see it.

Only the names have been changed to protect the innocent

As an aside ....do you think any Thais would "get" this thread?

I need tinfoil. Aluminum foil isn't working. Aliens answer my questions in my head before I ask them.

Of course Thais wouldn't get it. They don't need tinfoil. They have Thainess.

Sorry mate..I will go move the antenna now and let me know if you can still hear me....

[Patsycat]

Buy a tinlike bowl and put it on your head, get a drill and make holes. Simples.

But you have to have fabricate the horny things.

I make mine out of the inside of Benson and Hedges ciggy packets. Cheap and cheerful. Seem to work.

And if they droop - very easy to replace.

Edited November 30, 2014 by Patsycat

[DaffyDuck]

pseudoscience - there are no risks from 'artificial radiation', as you get more 'damage' from an hour of sunshine, than from a day of being surrounded by human generated radiation.

[Patsycat]

Has your's got bells on, because i was thinking that a few wind chimes would add to the experience`?

[kannot]

Buy a tinlike bowl and put it on your head, get a drill and make holes. Simples.

But you have to have fabricate the horny things.

I make mine out of the inside of Benson and Hedges ciggy packets. Cheap and cheerful. Seem to work.

And if they droop - very easy to replace.

I see an inherent problem with your methodology and suggest the holes are made BEFORE putting it on your head although that said you wouldnt notice the rf signal with a Bosch hammer stuck in your skull

[kannot]

I have an MSc in Microwave & Satellite Engineering. spent 20 years in the industry designing and operating satcomms equipment, milcomms, commercial etc etc etc. Also a radio ham working daily in close proximity to radio transmitters.

It is absolutely true that regular exposure to RF radiation at certain frequencies/bands is 'not good' for you, due to the heating effect on the human tissue. So think microwave ovens and the like. Microwave ovens contain the radiation, but nowadays there are other devices that operate at a similar frequency which are intended to radiate. So think high power wifi routers and mobile phones, (especially the latest devices which operate at frequencies closer to 2.4GHz, the general frequency range which is the most optimum for heating human tissue (due to the corresponding wavelength).

For these types of device, the radiated power levels are low, but there is still a risk of dangerous exposure if the radiating device is placed near to 'liquid' tissue, such as in the eye. Hence the possible risk when holding a mobile phone close to your ear.

Away from the microwave region, there is a concern about being in close proximity to high power, low frequency radiation, such as might come from high voltage power lines or radio broadcast transmitters. Although not proven to be harmful, I would err on the side of caution and try to avoid living in close proximity to high voltage power lines, (difficult to do!).

I operate shortwave radio transmitters at my home in Phuket, but for the same reasons I don't operate them without the shielding enclosure, and I won't stand close to my radiating antenna, (more to do with the risk of an RF burn).

The intensity of an RF fields falls rapidly as you move away from the radiating source, so there is no risk if you live in a 'general' area where there are no RF transmitters very nearby.

U telling me that I cant sleep in my microwave??? sheesh another hidey hole ruined!

[simon43]

U telling me that I cant sleep in my microwave???

Of course you can, especially if you're a midget. Just don't turn it on...

[kannot]

U telling me that I cant sleep in my microwave???

Of course you can, especially if you're a midget. Just don't turn it on...

So the dayglo pink pants are out then?

[neverdie]

That colander appears to also be aluminuminuminuminum.

Back to square one.

Aliens are listening to everything I think. I need tinfoil.

A depleted uranium colander is what is needed

And an extra long TGAU.

[neverdie]

U telling me that I cant sleep in my microwave???

Of course you can, especially if you're a midget. Just don't turn it on...

Can't turn on without closing the door.....if he closes the door he can't reach the button to turn it on.

Catch 22.

[Patsycat]

His imaginary friend could do that.

[kannot]

U telling me that I cant sleep in my microwave???

Of course you can, especially if you're a midget. Just don't turn it on...

Can't turn on without closing the door.....if he closes the door he can't reach the button to turn it on.

Catch 22.

Ill "turn it on" with my dayglo pink pants!!

[kannot]

His imaginary friend could do that.

As per R .Dawkins ..I have no imaginary friends................. or friends come to think of it??

[neverdie]

U telling me that I cant sleep in my microwave???

Of course you can, especially if you're a midget. Just don't turn it on...

Can't turn on without closing the door.....if he closes the door he can't reach the button to turn it on.

Catch 22.

Ill "turn it on" with my dayglo pink pants!!

I should have realised. 5555