Family of Brits murdered in Thailand say evidence convincing

[catweazle]

"We would like to stress that as a family we are confident in the work that has been carried out into these atrocious crimes."

What's that suposed to mean?

However, the overall text talks about being confident with the investigative work performed on Koh Tao... If this alone isn't a joke, then I don't know...

Transparent trial... yeah, keep on dreaming!

Such statements can only come from someone who knows absolutely nothing about Thailand...

The two burmese dwarfs, who managed to overpower a 6ft, well built westerner and cut him up in the process and managed to walk away without a scratch and magically managed to keep Hannah quiet in the meantime, will hang now, most likely based on circumstancial evidence, hearsay, waterboarded confessions and witness statements coming from a pancake vendor who is their ethnic enemy and took part in beating the patsies up in the safe house... Nice police work indeed. Only a comatose person can give their consent to all of that. Sick and tired of this

[Delcavom]

There is nothing in THIS case to suggest a cover up or patsy unless you are using a lot of speculation and incomplete (dishonest) information.

Some of us call it a brain and a bit of reasoning.

And the rest of the world calls it fantasy and conspiracy theories based on speculation and misinformation and folks with a lot of time on their hands to play games with photos and partial statements in the press as opposed to considering the opinions of UK investigators and and the victims families who know MUCH MUCH MUCH more about the case and evidence instead of the made up speculation by online investigators who know very little about the case but have no problem repeating as actual evidence and sucking the gullible into believing and ignore actual credible information.

Okay John - You win. Go back to sleep.

[catweazle]

Would like to stress again that ThaiJohnThailandsomething is a shill writing for TV to exclusively support official stories and statements. He's best ignored via the "ignore" function, if you want to keep a sane conversation going. Nowadays it is easy to discredit any doubts on official stories as "conspiracy theories"... but there will be the time where all those ignorant idiots will wake up. The Burmese patsies will be dead by then

[JOC]

There is nothing in THIS case to suggest a cover up or patsy unless you are using a lot of speculation and incomplete (dishonest) information.

Some of us call it a brain and a bit of reasoning.

And the rest of the world calls it fantasy and conspiracy theories based on speculation and misinformation and folks with a lot of time on their hands to play games with photos and partial statements in the press as opposed to considering the opinions of UK investigators and and the victims families who know MUCH MUCH MUCH more about the case and evidence instead of the made up speculation by online investigators who know very little about the case but have no problem repeating as actual evidence and sucking the gullible into believing and ignore actual credible information.

"There are none so blind, as those who will not see"

[JohnThailandJohn]

Would like to stress again that ThaiJohnThailandsomething is a shill writing for TV to exclusively support official stories and statements. He's best ignored via the "ignore" function, if you want to keep a sane conversation going. Nowadays it is easy to discredit any doubts on official stories as "conspiracy theories"... but there will be the time where all those ignorant idiots will wake up. The Burmese patsies will be dead by then

And of course the victims family too are supporting the official "stories" too for some unknown reason or do you consider their statements to be "official" too since they don't go along with nonsense speculation and imagined conspiracy theories?

[Delcavom]

Would like to stress again that ThaiJohnThailandsomething is a shill writing for TV to exclusively support official stories and statements. He's best ignored via the "ignore" function, if you want to keep a sane conversation going. Nowadays it is easy to discredit any doubts on official stories as "conspiracy theories"... but there will be the time where all those ignorant idiots will wake up. The Burmese patsies will be dead by then

Any talk of conspiracy theories gives up such a stir. When people use the term they dont even know what they are talking about.

A conspiracy is more than one person colluding to commit an illegal act. Conspiracies happen all the time whether it is the official story or not.

A theory is based on belief that can be tested and hopefully proven but may not ever get there. Like some of Einstein's theories

I do hope there will come a time when the ignorant wake up as you said.

[z42]

The parents obviously have little understanding of just how entrenched graft is here, it is not fair to blame them for taking the word of Thai authorities as gospel. A clean cut facade given by the RTP is just that, a facade. Anybody who has lived here for a length of time being brutally honest knows that there are very dirty practices displayed in plain view on an almost daily basis.

The guys in custody now could very well be guilty but the incriminating evidence (on face value) seems to be incredibly shaky and the circumstances around obtaining it shaky also. A pancake seller who doesn't speak the same language conducting the confession interview inside a safe house is incredibly dodgy for a start.

And the actual investigation of the headman's people is again strange, one minute they're suspects and the next not with absolutely no detail as to why not

[JohnThailandJohn]

What further depths will the conspiracy theorists go to in order to continue to play fantasy and discredit the families statements and their inside information about the case and evidence?

Some of the things already suggested are that the families are uninformed, signed the statements under duress, are middle class therefore naive as well as the UK Investigators are stupid and were duped by the Thais or were ordered by the UK government (who is now part of the conspiracy) to mislead the families.

Gets to a point where people not only have no shame but are just plain sick in their determination to use these two innocent people's murder as a way to spout their anger and hatred towards Thailand.

[JohnThailandJohn]

The parents obviously have little understanding of just how entrenched graft is here, it is not fair to blame them for taking the word of Thai authorities as gospel.

Thought they spoke to UK investigators before releasing their statements? UK investigators who examined the evidence and handling of the case first hand.

[JohnThailandJohn]

Would like to stress again that ThaiJohnThailandsomething is a shill writing for TV to exclusively support official stories and statements. He's best ignored via the "ignore" function, if you want to keep a sane conversation going. Nowadays it is easy to discredit any doubts on official stories as "conspiracy theories"... but there will be the time where all those ignorant idiots will wake up. The Burmese patsies will be dead by then

Any talk of conspiracy theories gives up such a stir. When people use the term they dont even know what they are talking about.

A conspiracy is more than one person colluding to commit an illegal act. Conspiracies happen all the time whether it is the official story or not.

A theory is based on belief that can be tested and hopefully proven but may not ever get there. Like some of Einstein's theories

I do hope there will come a time when the ignorant wake up as you said.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory

Lets no pretend the two separate words define the phrase as we all know the vast majority of conspiracy theories are false and based on nonsense speculation and misinformation. Sure some are real but the vast majority are not and are created and believed to satisfy the emotional needs of the individuals believing and promoting them.

[StealthEnergiser]

Would like to stress again that ThaiJohnThailandsomething is a shill writing for TV to exclusively support official stories and statements. He's best ignored via the "ignore" function, if you want to keep a sane conversation going. Nowadays it is easy to discredit any doubts on official stories as "conspiracy theories"... but there will be the time where all those ignorant idiots will wake up. The Burmese patsies will be dead by then

And of course the victims family too are supporting the official "stories" too for some unknown reason or do you consider their statements to be "official" too since they don't go along with nonsense speculation and imagined conspiracy theories?

John you really are very disrespectfull person to these families for you continuous dribble it is about time you showed more respect people are sick and tired of your consiracy theories accusations you are the one making more problems on this thread than anyone else how about backing off and letting the families have some peace and wait until the truth comes out.

[Si Thea01]

How would a journalist have interviewed the parents of these questions.

Beyond that, to make a statement like this would be considered prejudicial to a case just about anywhere in the world, and as such until there is a second direct quote that they actually said this first hand, I don't believe they said this.

Until other wise, I am believing that the Thais have interpreted and regurgitated answers.

If you know anything about how these matters unfold then you would think twice about what you have written. The statement from the parents would be a general press release and would not go to press until it was viewed by legal experts to ensure there was nothing prejudicial contained therein.

You then want then to put out a second statement to tell everyone that they put out the first one, as you don't believe they said this. Are you kidding? And no sir, the statement is not prejudicial as no where have they stated anything that is harmful or detrimental to someone involved in, or of something to do with the case. The last part of my sentence is the definition of prejudicial. something which you seemingly do not know.

[StealthEnergiser]

Would like to stress again that ThaiJohnThailandsomething is a shill writing for TV to exclusively support official stories and statements. He's best ignored via the "ignore" function, if you want to keep a sane conversation going. Nowadays it is easy to discredit any doubts on official stories as "conspiracy theories"... but there will be the time where all those ignorant idiots will wake up. The Burmese patsies will be dead by then

Any talk of conspiracy theories gives up such a stir. When people use the term they dont even know what they are talking about.

A conspiracy is more than one person colluding to commit an illegal act. Conspiracies happen all the time whether it is the official story or not.

A theory is based on belief that can be tested and hopefully proven but may not ever get there. Like some of Einstein's theories

I do hope there will come a time when the ignorant wake up as you said.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pain_in_the_arse

[Delcavom]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory

Lets no pretend the two separate words define the phrase as we all know the vast majority of conspiracy theories are false and based on nonsense speculation and misinformation. Sure some are real but the vast majority are not and are created and believed to satisfy the emotional needs of the individuals believing and promoting them.

Tee hee hee: Maybe you want to read the links you send out John.

Let's look at your Link:

A conspiracy theory is an explanatory proposition that accuses two or more persons, a group, or an organization of having caused or covered up, through secret planning and deliberate action, an illegal or harmful event or situation.^[1][2][3]

^{Again...what I said...a group of people planning something in secret. Many things are conspiracies.}

Originally a neutral term, since the mid-1960s, in the aftermath of the assassination of US President John F. Kennedy, it has acquired a derogatory meaning, implying a paranoid tendency to see the influence of some malign covert agency in events.^[17] The term is often used to dismiss claims that the critic deems ridiculous, misconceived, paranoid, unfounded, outlandish, or irrational.^[18] A conspiracy theory that is proven to be correct, such as the notion that United States PresidentRichard Nixon and his aides conspired to cover up Watergate, is usually referred to as something else, such as investigative journalism or historical analysis.^[19] Despite conspiracy theorists often being dismissed as a "fringe group," evidence suggests that people from "a broad cross-section of Americans today—traversing ethnic, gender, education, occupation, and other divides" believe in a wide variety of conspiracy theories.^[20] The term often implies that the proposed explanation of events is perceived as violating Occam's razor or the principle of falsifiability.

What does it say here about a conspiracy theory proven correct?

Assessing the prevalent use of the term to ridicule or dismiss, Professor Rebecca Moore observes, "The word 'conspiracy' works much the same way the word 'cult' does to discredit advocates of a certain view or persuasion. Historians do not use the word 'conspiracy' to describe accurate historical reports. On the contrary, they use it to indicate a lack of veracity and objectivity."^[21]

^{Conspiracy is now a loaded word for shills to use and be dismissive as they dont want to use their own thinking.}

^{And our next part which says WHAT? Conspiracies have been proven too. Say it aint SO. Poor John wont be able to sleep at night:}

Proven conspiracies[edit]

Conspiracy theories are sometimes proven correct, such as the theory that United States President Richard Nixon and his aides conspired to cover up Watergate,^[19] as well as the theory that some of President Ronald Reagan's aides conspired to cover up the Iran-Contra affair.^[24][25]

[CharlieH]

Overly negative remark removed

[JohnThailandJohn]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory

Lets no pretend the two separate words define the phrase as we all know the vast majority of conspiracy theories are false and based on nonsense speculation and misinformation. Sure some are real but the vast majority are not and are created and believed to satisfy the emotional needs of the individuals believing and promoting them.

Tee hee hee: Maybe you want to read the links you send out John.

Let's look at your Link:

Kind of a conspiracy theorist tactic of selecting bits of information while ignoring the rest and overall meaning to support a single notion and distort from the truth ... similar to what people are doing with the statement from the parents in terms of trying to say it means something different from what they said.

Bottom line is regardless of how much you want to pretend different, the families have asked people to stop with the nonsense and no matter what ways you want to twist things, the ongoing conspiracy theories based on speculation, half truths and lies while ignoring facts have been harmful to the victims families and have caused delays in justice being served and ARE NOT in any way motivated to find the truth or seek justice at this point but simply for those to express their hostile inner feelings towards Thailand.

[falangjim]

Wow, I really expected TVF to suspend this thread considering the wishes of the family.

[aimbc]

Theres a perfect example of someone taking excerpts out of context to suit themselves.

Which statement is taking out of context? Was one of those statements not something they wanted to communicate exactly as I posted it? You need to live in a fantasy life filled with dishonest comments to continue the with this BS conspiracy theory nonsense

Many on TV come from countries in which laws are up held. Everyone is entitled to live in safety, so most here are expressing their concerns. And most TV came from countries that believe in that there should be overwhelming evidence "beyond a reasonable doubt" before convicting any one.

But as everyone can see, the whole investigation is but that. Don't just take my word for it. Look up the statement and concern made by one of the top forensic expert in Thailand about this case.

All freedom loving individuals should definitely be concerned about this case, and how the RTP are setting a disingenuous tone for a nation.

This maybe what Thailand needs. This is the wake up call that came right in time with the overhaul of Thailand. Waiting to see how the case goes.

Sorry to say that most Thais agrees that majority of the cops are dishonest and that there is not much they can do to change it. They have tried and most already given up on the idea that they will have a police force that they can trust. But the younger generations and people here want to make a change. It may take years, but it must start some where.

[JohnThailandJohn]

Wow, I really expected TVF to suspend this thread considering the wishes of the family.

Do we really think the speculative bs was ever something the family viewed as pleasant or helpful and not just outright shameful exploitation of their loss to further some people's anger and distrust of Thai Authorities? I have no idea where you stand and not directed at you but have noticed many calling for the thread to be closed who were the biggest offenders of spreading the gossip and unfounded speculation as fact. Now that they got some insight into the UK Investigators views they don't want anyone talking about things anymore since now it would seems the families must be being duped by Uk Authorities who are involved in the cover-up too for them to keep up the BS.

I think to those who have kept a balanced view of this case, there was nothing in their statements that came as a surprise.

[Delcavom]

Kind of a conspiracy theorist tactic of selecting bits of information while ignoring the rest and overall meaning to support a single notion and distort from the truth ... similar to what people are doing with the statement from the parents in terms of trying to say it means something different from what they said.

Well it sorta does say the definition right at the top. Not wanting to get to technical on you as I can see you are overwhelmed.

Anyway. I am out. Enjoy your continued strife with reason.

[JohnThailandJohn]

Sorry to say that most Thais agrees that majority of the cops are dishonest and that there is not much they can do to change it. They have tried and most already given up on the idea that they will have a police force that they can trust. But the younger generations and people here want to make a change. It may take years, but it must start some where.

And the people in the US are in the streets now because they don't trust police there and believe they kill black people without cause. Does that mean everyone the police arrests is innocent, even the blacks?

What happens when you make up stuff, speculate on BS and partial information and ignore reality to continue to push nonsense theories in a case like this is you discredit yourself and then next incident that may have validity you and others will be seen as crying wolf or the internet detective / conspiracy theorist are at it once again.

There is no real evidence to suggest the son of a island headsman was responsible and tons to show he was not. On the other side we have strong evidence already made public they got the two guys responsible for this brutal crime.

Anyway -- people are welcome to go back and look at phone pics and take early press reports as gospel and pretend no revised reports came out to continue the nonsense while not just ignore the family wishes but also their and the UK investigators opinions who were here and examined the evidence and reviewed the case ... but yes, they are either ignorant or part of the cover up.

[jdinasia]

"We would like to stress that as a family we are confident in the work that has been carried out into these atrocious crimes."

What's that suposed to mean?

However, the overall text talks about being confident with the investigative work performed on Koh Tao... If this alone isn't a joke, then I don't know...

Transparent trial... yeah, keep on dreaming!

Such statements can only come from someone who knows absolutely nothing about Thailand...

The two burmese dwarfs, who managed to overpower a 6ft, well built westerner and cut him up in the process and managed to walk away without a scratch and magically managed to keep Hannah quiet in the meantime, will hang now, most likely based on circumstancial evidence, hearsay, waterboarded confessions and witness statements coming from a pancake vendor who is their ethnic enemy and took part in beating the patsies up in the safe house... Nice police work indeed. Only a comatose person can give their consent to all of that. Sick and tired of this

Instead of accepting the statement, why not just keep speculating!

Ignore the statements of the families that they have seen compelling evidence!

[aimbc]

Sorry to say that most Thais agrees that majority of the cops are dishonest and that there is not much they can do to change it. They have tried and most already given up on the idea that they will have a police force that they can trust. But the younger generations and people here want to make a change. It may take years, but it must start some where.

And the people in the US are in the streets now because they don't trust police there and believe they kill black people without cause. Does that mean everyone the police arrests is innocent, even the blacks?

What happens when you make up stuff, speculate on BS and partial information and ignore reality to continue to push nonsense theories in a case like this is you discredit yourself and then next incident that may have validity you and others will be seen as crying wolf or the internet detective / conspiracy theorist are at it once again.

There is no real evidence to suggest the son of a island headsman was responsible and tons to show he was not. On the other side we have strong evidence already made public they got the two guys responsible for this brutal crime.

Anyway -- people are welcome to go back and look at phone pics and take early press reports as gospel and pretend no revised reports came out to continue the nonsense while not just ignore the family wishes but also their and the UK investigators opinions who were here and examined the evidence and reviewed the case ... but yes, they are either ignorant or part of the cover up.

Real evidence:

No representation for the two Burmese when they where accused. (Unless you think that is acceptable. Well maybe in north Korea)

Top forensic expert in Thailand saying processing of the crime scene was flawed. (I didn't make that up).

Police refusing to answer for the abusive treatment of the two while getting a confession out of them. (How can anyone hope for fairness here.)

Plea for help from the parents of the two Burmese. (their request are not important?)

Money and power buys many things here. (Evidence it's clear in the most recent police shake up. And by most of our personal experience with the police here)

There are more to much to mention. But you already know what they are.

You might be one of the few people that can live in north Korea.

[jdinasia]

Sorry to say that most Thais agrees that majority of the cops are dishonest and that there is not much they can do to change it. They have tried and most already given up on the idea that they will have a police force that they can trust. But the younger generations and people here want to make a change. It may take years, but it must start some where.

And the people in the US are in the streets now because they don't trust police there and believe they kill black people without cause. Does that mean everyone the police arrests is innocent, even the blacks?

What happens when you make up stuff, speculate on BS and partial information and ignore reality to continue to push nonsense theories in a case like this is you discredit yourself and then next incident that may have validity you and others will be seen as crying wolf or the internet detective / conspiracy theorist are at it once again.

There is no real evidence to suggest the son of a island headsman was responsible and tons to show he was not. On the other side we have strong evidence already made public they got the two guys responsible for this brutal crime.

Anyway -- people are welcome to go back and look at phone pics and take early press reports as gospel and pretend no revised reports came out to continue the nonsense while not just ignore the family wishes but also their and the UK investigators opinions who were here and examined the evidence and reviewed the case ... but yes, they are either ignorant or part of the cover up.

Real evidence:

No representation for the two Burmese when they where accused. (Unless you think that is acceptable. Well maybe in north Korea)

Top forensic expert in Thailand saying processing of the crime scene was flawed. (I didn't make that up).

Police refusing to answer for the abusive treatment of the two while getting a confession out of them. (How can anyone hope for fairness here.)

Plea for help from the parents of the two Burmese. (their request are not important?)

Money and power buys many things here. (Evidence it's clear in the most recent police shake up. And by most of our personal experience with the police here)

There are more to much to mention. But you already know what they are.

You might be one of the few people that can live in north Korea.

Nothing you mentioned is evidence of either guilt nor innocence.

The families have seen actual evidence.

[Oscar2]

The family must be protecting the rich headsman son now too? This conspiracy has just grown -- thank god for the social media detectives to point our all the implausible reason why these two are not solid suspects and a rich the son of an island headsman, who was not on the island at the time, really did this.

who says he was not on the island at the time? you?

[JohnThailandJohn]

Sorry to say that most Thais agrees that majority of the cops are dishonest and that there is not much they can do to change it. They have tried and most already given up on the idea that they will have a police force that they can trust. But the younger generations and people here want to make a change. It may take years, but it must start some where.

And the people in the US are in the streets now because they don't trust police there and believe they kill black people without cause. Does that mean everyone the police arrests is innocent, even the blacks?

What happens when you make up stuff, speculate on BS and partial information and ignore reality to continue to push nonsense theories in a case like this is you discredit yourself and then next incident that may have validity you and others will be seen as crying wolf or the internet detective / conspiracy theorist are at it once again.

There is no real evidence to suggest the son of a island headsman was responsible and tons to show he was not. On the other side we have strong evidence already made public they got the two guys responsible for this brutal crime.

Anyway -- people are welcome to go back and look at phone pics and take early press reports as gospel and pretend no revised reports came out to continue the nonsense while not just ignore the family wishes but also their and the UK investigators opinions who were here and examined the evidence and reviewed the case ... but yes, they are either ignorant or part of the cover up.

Real evidence:

No representation for the two Burmese when they where accused. (Unless you think that is acceptable. Well maybe in north Korea)

Top forensic expert in Thailand saying processing of the crime scene was flawed. (I didn't make that up).

Police refusing to answer for the abusive treatment of the two while getting a confession out of them. (How can anyone hope for fairness here.)

Plea for help from the parents of the two Burmese. (their request are not important?)

Money and power buys many things here. (Evidence it's clear in the most recent police shake up. And by most of our personal experience with the police here)

There are more to much to mention. But you already know what they are.

You might be one of the few people that can live in north Korea.

Suspects now have lawyers -- to my knowledge it is also common in the US and the UK for suspects to speak with police before having a lawyer and few confessions are given when suspects have a lawyer presence --- almost all are before they have a lawyer for obvious reasons.

Well it certainly could be they could have had a different team process the crime scene (what you are refering) but she didn't suggest they somehow made a mistake that caused the suspects semen to be in the victim .. the mistake would have been to miss DNA or evidence or have DNA or things like finger prints found from people who should not have had access to the crime scene.

Of course the police refused to attend the humans rights group wanting to question them publicly about an ongoing investigation. Even in other countries this is why you wait to investigate civil actions until after the criminal case. Even if they threatened the suspects into confessing, the have recanted, and threats didn't put their semen in the victim.

Money and power buys lots of things everywhere.

If there is much more then you should share the much more that is stronger than the above to suggest the two suspects didn't do it because NOTHING you said suggests they didn't and doesn't compare to the semen match or the UK investigators views as communicated through the families.

Even if the police tarred and feathered the two into confessing (all they said was they were threatened), it has nothing to do with their guilt and in fact if they were Thai child molesters accused the same conspiracy theorists would be making up much worse tortures that they should endear well before conviction.

As for the confessions, they didn't just confess to police, they also confessed in private to their embassy officials and human rights workers. Later after speaking with lawyers they recanted. But to be clear, if they say their confession was coerced, I am 100% for throwing it out ... don't really see it being needed except to close out the case quicker since technically them having sex with victim doesn't prove they killed them since they could have had sex before they were killed or had sex after they died --- if you want to believe the implausible.

[uty6543]

"We would like to stress that as a family we are confident in the work that has been carried out into these atrocious crimes."

What's that suposed to mean?

However, the overall text talks about being confident with the investigative work performed on Koh Tao... If this alone isn't a joke, then I don't know...

Transparent trial... yeah, keep on dreaming!

Such statements can only come from someone who knows absolutely nothing about Thailand...

The two burmese dwarfs, who managed to overpower a 6ft, well built westerner and cut him up in the process and managed to walk away without a scratch and magically managed to keep Hannah quiet in the meantime, will hang now, most likely based on circumstancial evidence, hearsay, waterboarded confessions and witness statements coming from a pancake vendor who is their ethnic enemy and took part in beating the patsies up in the safe house... Nice police work indeed. Only a comatose person can give their consent to all of that. Sick and tired of this

Instead of accepting the statement, why not just keep speculating!

Ignore the statements of the families that they have seen compelling evidence!

Have the families also seen the defence case?

[Baerboxer]

The two Brits were murdered by Thais connected with the mafia on the island and the whole thing is contrived plain and simple.

1 How can they be DNA tested and be let go the first time?

2 DNA tests were done on semen and blood the first time not cigarette packets near the scene.

3 The Scottish guy gets told to hang himself and gets threatened by the Thai mafia why?

4 The Chief mans son was not DNA tested that is to say the Chief of Police's son because the son said he was in Bangkok true or not?

5 Thais questioned the sons alibi as the photo shown to claim he was in Bangkok was said to be in a university in Surat Thani has this been checked out?

5 The sons look alike was seen in the area with his distinct gibon walk. If this was not him who was it? It's an island not Los Angeles.

6 The DNA tests were finally done when the bodies were already sent back to Britain and the DNA tests were negative. DNA tests on what a cigarette packet that got the two Burmese arrested or the semen in the girls vagina?

7 The two Burmese were arrested on DNA evidence connected to cigarette packets and smoked butts. Why is that evidence connected to rape and murder? Because they were there? Or was the evidence dropped there from another part of the beach or on butts and cigarettes given to them in custody? Anyway it's flimsy at best.

8 They claim torture. They withdrew their confession consistent with confessions under torture. They were also paraded in front of cameras to reincarnate the crime scene. Why were they wearing protective helmets and body armour did it look to you like there were crowds of onlookers itching to kill them or did it look like a staged propaganda spectacle for the press?

9 Both of the Burmese are without any violent history or character. Did they just break the habit of a life time and get into a serious bit of homicide because of a full moon?

10 DNA is conclusive evidence. Whoever ejaculated inside the British girl is guilty. The Burmese already got tested. They passed. The son got tested on what? What was he tested on is that clear and is he really clear. Was he tested for semen or cigarette butts if it was it seems passing a test on semen isn't conclusive evidence but having your DNA on cigarette butts is damning.

Interesting that you think you have so much information, more than the families, the UK police and all other posters, so you can pronounce who is guilty.

Respect the families' wishes - not likely eh?

[JohnThailandJohn]

The family must be protecting the rich headsman son now too? This conspiracy has just grown -- thank god for the social media detectives to point our all the implausible reason why these two are not solid suspects and a rich the son of an island headsman, who was not on the island at the time, really did this.

who says he was not on the island at the time? you?

Police who investigated after initally accusing him publicly (without fear), witnesses in Bangkok, time stamped video, the university where he was taking a test, himself, his lawyer --- just what we know was made public and only made public because of the nasty and ignorant conspiracy theorists who caused such hardship in his life for absolutely no reason except he was born to a small island headsman and some people made up BS ... including BS the police at first believed. Absolutely no evidence to suggest he was involved or that police covered for him if he was. In fact his DNA was taken and submitted to numerous labs and police showed very clearly they were not scared to publicly name him as not just a suspect early on but actually express confidence he was involved after people falsely said he was on the island and fled.

[Baerboxer]

The family must be protecting the rich headsman son now too? This conspiracy has just grown -- thank god for the social media detectives to point our all the implausible reason why these two are not solid suspects and a rich the son of an island headsman, who was not on the island at the time, really did this.

who says he was not on the island at the time? you?

Who says he was? You? A bunch of TV posters who claim they can recognize someone by their hair cut or gait?

Maybe his presence elsewhere was verified by the University, fellow students, faculty, local vendors etc. Who knows? Hopefully the RTP and the British police who read the evidence.