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Why would David take his iPhone out with him if he had a cheap burner phone?

That defies buying the cheap local one,

Because he keeps data in his regular phone that he may want to access? because and iPhone can use WiFi to access Internet but a Samsung Hero can't? because the camera on the phone takes better pictures?, etc, etc...

Who gives a fast flying flounder...!? How about posting something pertinent to the topic, for a change.

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Yes, right, why do you doubt that there was a misunderstanding? The phone found near the lodging of the defendants was (intentionally) broken, Hanna's phone wasn't, so obviously it was not the same phone all along.

What ever happened to the phone found on the beach by the side of the blue shorts?????....................and why would the guy take a phone from the shorts and leave the one lying on the beach...........

attachicon.gifBlue shorts.png EDIT.....or is that not a phone??

Probably because the one left behind was a cheap phone the victim bought to use in Thailand and the other his expensive iPhone.

Are you basing this on an assumption or based on fact? And yet on the other thread you make a big issue out of saying you don't do assumptions ?

The opening word in your response "probably" isn't a factual word it's an assuming word.

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Why would David take his iPhone out with him if he had a cheap burner phone?

That defies buying the cheap local one,

Because he keeps data in his regular phone that he may want to access? because and iPhone can use WiFi to access Internet but a Samsung Hero can't? because the camera on the phone takes better pictures?, etc, etc...

So your making assumptions and not based on any hard facts then? Your speculating why he would carry two phones pretty much the same as other people speculating that maybe the phone wasn't his?

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Don't ever share a smoke with anyone because if they die after you have gone home it will be used as proof you caused the death. A little unfair I know but the shared DNA on the cigarette butt, assuming the DNA testing is reliable and has not been tampered with, proves nothing except the two people were in the same area at the time of smoking the cigarette. It certainly does not prove a crime was committed by those sharing the smoke. Really it is secondary evidence. The prime evidence is the DNA in and on the victims and anything used in the attacks. It seems the police did not take much care collecting the DNA, that the crime scene was tainted by all and sundry walking all over it immediately afterwards, that the initial test that cleared these two was suspect or reported incorrectly, that the numerous conflicting statements by the police and others and nonsensical conflicting statements by others implicated as well as an expedited trial after repeated returns of the evidence to police by the prosecutor as well as a thousand other impediments to justice are in fact not of any issues to justice in Thailand.

Thanks TWT for posting that. All along I've stated that the cig butt has no bearing on the case.

As for the phone allegedly found by cops behind the scapegoats' shack: I've wondered how the people shielding the Headman's people would spin that. I've read what they've written and frankly, there's nothing which acknowledges the cops planted that evidence, and then changed (the day later) to say it wasn't Hannah's (when social media proved it was), to say it was David's phone. A little while later, someone tapped the head cop's shoulder and whispered in his ear: "excuse me sir, we already announced we found David's phone at the crime scene on the first day." The head cop probably said something like, "Oh, shucks, let's just not mention that stupid phone any more. How about you plant David's sunglasses in back of the Burmeses' shack. Maybe those pesky social media conspiracy theorists can't find photos which disprove that, and we can dig a deeper hole for the Burmese."

Oh, and what about Sean. Remember the reason he was crouching behind the convenience store counter? Besides his assertion he was cowering from Mon and Mon's cop friend who were threatening to kill him (if Sean told what he knew about the crime), SEAN SAID HE WAS LOOKING FOR HIS PHONE, which he had lost the night before. It just gets curiouser and curiouser.

I have seen a photo of Sean shaking hands with a local police , I think it was before he left the Island has that been explained anywhere ?

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What ever happened to the phone found on the beach by the side of the blue shorts?????....................and why would the guy take a phone from the shorts and leave the one lying on the beach...........

attachicon.gifBlue shorts.png EDIT.....or is that not a phone??

Probably because the one left behind was a cheap phone the victim bought to use in Thailand and the other his expensive iPhone.

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OK, you don't like the answer, why?

It was a Samsung. presumably used to call in Thailand. IPhone would of been used for wifi purposes I imagine.

Another mistake to add to the plethora

Oct 3, 2014 - Police claim two men have admitted killing backpackers on Koh Tao island ... stood on the Koh Tao beach where Hannah Witheridge and David Miller ... and Miss Witheridge's mobile phone was found in the men's bungalow

Later to become David Millers. How could they claim it was Hannah when they know her friend handed it in. Completely inept police handling from start to finish. How anybody could believe in this lot 100% beggars belief.

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advocate's job is....?

To make advocat....?

To advocate on behalf of migrant workers....

Innocence or guilt aside, Mr Hall has helped raise funds for the defense etc.

I knew I should have googled it instead of searching the barstuard's digest!

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There is something that has been bothering me since I first saw those awful pictures - who put that green towel over Hannah's face? If it was the police, then I would assume they would of covered her up completely - no? Was it just her facial injuries that was thought to be too horrifying? If that was the thinking, I believe the whole body should of been covered (def if just out of respect). Or, was she found that way?

I ask because it also seems (and I believe someone on here already pointed it out, that she was raped post-mortem). I have been following the posts on here/news/csila since it happened, and I don't believe the Burmese killed either of them. I have lived in Thailand on and off for about 8 years. I've seen the very nasty and I've seen the good, but to tell you the truth the last few visits have had me a little on edge.I can't explain it properly - just a feeling of never really being safe, a feeling that has been expressed from both my thai and western friends. Which is a shame.

Anyway, that picture with the towel has never sat well with me.

We also should try to watch out for each other, us westerners seem very disconnected to each other there and that shouldn't be.

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Maybe you have a point that she was raped post-mortem and that is why the green towel was over her face. Maybe, or like you say, the police did it to cover her face because of the horrific sight. Personally I believe it was done by the police but who knows......

Also, IMHO, she was dragged to the position in which she was found (blood trail in the sand) and her legs were obviously put in the position how she was found. I just can't believe somebody who was brutally murdered like Hannah would be found with legs in THAT symmetrical position knees up. It definitely looked more like somebody has been orchestrating the crime scene.

Just imagine these two small Burmese doing all this while killing David at the same time who is over 6ft, then go to sleep with no blood on you, not in their room, not on them, not on their clothes, not even a tiny spatter, nothing! They went to work the next day and ...ah yes, they threw away David his (sunglasses?) and phone in the bushes behind their room where they live and didn't flee the island. yeah, it makes a lot sense, right JD?

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There is something that has been bothering me since I first saw those awful pictures - who put that green towel over Hannah's face? If it was the police, then I would assume they would of covered her up completely - no? Was it just her facial injuries that was thought to be too horrifying? If that was the thinking, I believe the whole body should of been covered (def if just out of respect). Or, was she found that way?

I ask because it also seems (and I believe someone on here already pointed it out, that she was raped post-mortem). I have been following the posts on here/news/csila since it happened, and I don't believe the Burmese killed either of them. I have lived in Thailand on and off for about 8 years. I've seen the very nasty and I've seen the good, but to tell you the truth the last few visits have had me a little on edge.I can't explain it properly - just a feeling of never really being safe, a feeling that has been expressed from both my thai and western friends. Which is a shame.

Anyway, that picture with the towel has never sat well with me.

We also should try to watch out for each other, us westerners seem very disconnected to each other there and that shouldn't be.

Sorry for the long post and hello Thai Visa smile.png

Maybe you have a point that she was raped post-mortem and that is why the green towel was over her face. Maybe, or like you say, the police did it to cover her face because of the horrific sight. Personally I believe it was done by the police but who knows......

Also, IMHO, she was dragged to the position in which she was found (blood trail in the sand) and her legs were obviously put in the position how she was found. I just can't believe somebody who was brutally murdered like Hannah would be found with legs in THAT symmetrical position knees up. It definitely looked more like somebody has been orchestrating the crime scene.

Just imagine these two small Burmese doing all this while killing David at the same time who is over 6ft, then go to sleep with no blood on you, not in their room, not on them, not on their clothes, not even a tiny spatter, nothing! They went to work the next day and ...ah yes, they threw away David his (sunglasses?) and phone in the bushes behind their room where they live and didn't flee the island. yeah, it makes a lot sense, right JD?

If you are going to ask me, start with facts and not supposition.

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Something I have not heard about.......we all saw the CCTV footage of the running man and the other suspect, and apart from shorts, they had no clothes on, , no t-shirt, not even flip-floppers. Where did these (bloody) clothes go? David his clothes were found at the crime scene, but what about the clothes of the perpetrators? Did somebody collect all these items after the crime during the night including (sunglasses & a phone)? Must be, yes? I bet this was the same person(s) who put Hannah in the position as she was found! That does make sense, right JD?

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There is something that has been bothering me since I first saw those awful pictures - who put that green towel over Hannah's face? If it was the police, then I would assume they would of covered her up completely - no? Was it just her facial injuries that was thought to be too horrifying? If that was the thinking, I believe the whole body should of been covered (def if just out of respect). Or, was she found that way?

I ask because it also seems (and I believe someone on here already pointed it out, that she was raped post-mortem). I have been following the posts on here/news/csila since it happened, and I don't believe the Burmese killed either of them. I have lived in Thailand on and off for about 8 years. I've seen the very nasty and I've seen the good, but to tell you the truth the last few visits have had me a little on edge.I can't explain it properly - just a feeling of never really being safe, a feeling that has been expressed from both my thai and western friends. Which is a shame.

Anyway, that picture with the towel has never sat well with me.

We also should try to watch out for each other, us westerners seem very disconnected to each other there and that shouldn't be.

Sorry for the long post and hello Thai Visa smile.png

Maybe you have a point that she was raped post-mortem and that is why the green towel was over her face. Maybe, or like you say, the police did it to cover her face because of the horrific sight. Personally I believe it was done by the police but who knows......

Also, IMHO, she was dragged to the position in which she was found (blood trail in the sand) and her legs were obviously put in the position how she was found. I just can't believe somebody who was brutally murdered like Hannah would be found with legs in THAT symmetrical position knees up. It definitely looked more like somebody has been orchestrating the crime scene.

Just imagine these two small Burmese doing all this while killing David at the same time who is over 6ft, then go to sleep with no blood on you, not in their room, not on them, not on their clothes, not even a tiny spatter, nothing! They went to work the next day and ...ah yes, they threw away David his (sunglasses?) and phone in the bushes behind their room where they live and didn't flee the island. yeah, it makes a lot sense, right JD?

If you are going to ask me, start with facts and not supposition.

You are here 24/7 for damage control.....or?

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This DNA stuff just not seem like such an open and shut case to me. Maybe that's why it was knocked back so many times.

https://www.dvb.no/news/koh-tao-muder-burmese-migrants-cleared-after-dna-tests-burma-myanmar/44236

Royal Thai Police adviser Jarumporn Suramanee said on Wednesday that the DNA of 12 people had been tested, including nine samples from Burmese migrant workers and one from Ware.

The tests found none of the DNA matched that collected from semen found in the female victim’s body, he said.

However, the tests found that DNA from a cigarette near the scene matched the semen.

So... what is this DNA match that makes you so confident of their guilt @JD? I don't see it.

Edit to add: is that why the cigarrete is so important?

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This DNA stuff just not seem like such an open and shut case to me. Maybe that's why it was knocked back so many times.

https://www.dvb.no/news/koh-tao-muder-burmese-migrants-cleared-after-dna-tests-burma-myanmar/44236

Royal Thai Police adviser Jarumporn Suramanee said on Wednesday that the DNA of 12 people had been tested, including nine samples from Burmese migrant workers and one from Ware.

The tests found none of the DNA matched that collected from semen found in the female victim’s body, he said.

However, the tests found that DNA from a cigarette near the scene matched the semen.

So... what is this DNA match that makes you so confident of their guilt @JD? I don't see it.

Edit to add: is that why the cigarrete is so important?

The link you supplied is from Sep 18th when everything was still pointing to Mon & Nomsod as stated by the RTP, there was no DNA match at that time, however after the RTP replaced the head investigator on Sep 23rd, EUREKA, we have a match!

Are you referring to Panya?

No to EUREKA the magicman

From that same article:

Police had initially detained and questioned three male migrant workers from Burma, but DNA tests and other evidence have ruled them out of the investigation.

This could be tricky if they are referring to the B2 + 1 here.

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This DNA stuff just not seem like such an open and shut case to me. Maybe that's why it was knocked back so many times.

https://www.dvb.no/news/koh-tao-muder-burmese-migrants-cleared-after-dna-tests-burma-myanmar/44236

Royal Thai Police adviser Jarumporn Suramanee said on Wednesday that the DNA of 12 people had been tested, including nine samples from Burmese migrant workers and one from Ware.

The tests found none of the DNA matched that collected from semen found in the female victim’s body, he said.

However, the tests found that DNA from a cigarette near the scene matched the semen.

So... what is this DNA match that makes you so confident of their guilt @JD? I don't see it.

Edit to add: is that why the cigarrete is so important?

The link you supplied is from Sep 18th when everything was still pointing to Mon & Nomsod as stated by the RTP, there was no DNA match at that time, however after the RTP replaced the head investigator on Sep 23rd, EUREKA, we have a match!

Are you referring to Panya?

No to EUREKA the magicman

From that same article:

Police had initially detained and questioned three male migrant workers from Burma, but DNA tests and other evidence have ruled them out of the investigation.

This could be tricky if they are referring to the B2 + 1 here.

Thanks, Panya was promoted a week after your claim.

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Something I have not heard about.......we all saw the CCTV footage of the running man and the other suspect, and apart from shorts, they had no clothes on, , no t-shirt, not even flip-floppers. Where did these (bloody) clothes go? David his clothes were found at the crime scene, but what about the clothes of the perpetrators? Did somebody collect all these items after the crime during the night including (sunglasses & a phone)? Must be, yes? I bet this was the same person(s) who put Hannah in the position as she was found! That does make sense, right JD?

And again with speculation and baiting.

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Something I have not heard about.......we all saw the CCTV footage of the running man and the other suspect, and apart from shorts, they had no clothes on, , no t-shirt, not even flip-floppers. Where did these (bloody) clothes go? David his clothes were found at the crime scene, but what about the clothes of the perpetrators? Did somebody collect all these items after the crime during the night including (sunglasses & a phone)? Must be, yes? I bet this was the same person(s) who put Hannah in the position as she was found! That does make sense, right JD?

Good on ya, mate. I mentioned that several times in prior posts also. There were two people killed, one by stab wounds (possibly followed by drowning), and another bludgeoned, yet no blood anywhere outside the crime scene. Even in the OJ fiasco case, there were bloody things in many places. Yet, on the magical isle of Ko Tao, bloody clothes and shoes disappear like the morning dew. There's been zero mention of bloody anything outside the crime scene, except an early report of a bloody pair of shorts, which turned out to be mud-splattered instead. Oh, there was mention of blood on Sean's guitar, but that was apparently from a separate wound. But was it? His arm wound looks identical to the stab wounds to David, though you won't get Thai officials commenting on that, and here's why: If Sean is a witness, co-perpetrator or has knowledge of the crime, then Sean's testimony would likely incriminate the real perps. You see where this is going? That's why it's no mystery (to most of us) why Sean was threatened with death if he spoke up about what he knew, AND why Sean was very quickly allowed to split from Thailand, without even giving a statement to police.

Even if the dozens of other fuk-ups by Thai officials didn't happen, just their one giant fuk-up regarding Sean would be proof of a cover-up (along with shielding the Headman's people at all costs), in itself.

My scenario of the ending moments of the crime are as follows: Sean may have been somewhere else, maybe playing guitar with the Burmese nearby. He hears major commotion nearby. He goes to investigate or perhaps to aid David (he said later "David was a real hero that night"). The perps are splitting the crime scene, they see another farang (Sean) who they know (note: Thais will assume all farang men will automatically come to the aid of a farang in distress, because that's what Thais do for each other.). Sean is aghast at what he sees/hears, he's stabbed in the arm by the same weapon which killed David, to convey the message, "get the fuk out of here. You didn't see anything, you understand?!"

And it is very possible that the picture of local Koh Tao Police shaking Sean's hand is him giving an agreement to shut up.

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This DNA stuff just not seem like such an open and shut case to me. Maybe that's why it was knocked back so many times.

https://www.dvb.no/news/koh-tao-muder-burmese-migrants-cleared-after-dna-tests-burma-myanmar/44236

Royal Thai Police adviser Jarumporn Suramanee said on Wednesday that the DNA of 12 people had been tested, including nine samples from Burmese migrant workers and one from Ware.

From that same article:

Police had initially detained and questioned three male migrant workers from Burma, but DNA tests and other evidence have ruled them out of the investigation.

This could be tricky if they are referring to the B2 + 1 here.

Thanks, Panya was promoted a week after your claim.

Yes he was. That does not mean that he did not say it though.

Edit to add: When police cleared Nomsod in one sentence ....... as far as you were concerned it was the end of the story ..... never to be revisited. He was in Bangkok - cleared, innocent, period, end of any suspicion. You must have said it to me a dozen times not to mention other posters. Nomsod was clear. Police had cleared him ... he could not have been on the island.

But when the B2 were cleared ......... not really so clear after all.

Alas, "the B2" were not cleared.

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Something I have not heard about.......we all saw the CCTV footage of the running man and the other suspect, and apart from shorts, they had no clothes on, , no t-shirt, not even flip-floppers. Where did these (bloody) clothes go? David his clothes were found at the crime scene, but what about the clothes of the perpetrators? Did somebody collect all these items after the crime during the night including (sunglasses & a phone)? Must be, yes? I bet this was the same person(s) who put Hannah in the position as she was found! That does make sense, right JD?

Good on ya, mate. I mentioned that several times in prior posts also. There were two people killed, one by stab wounds (possibly followed by drowning), and another bludgeoned, yet no blood anywhere outside the crime scene. Even in the OJ fiasco case, there were bloody things in many places. Yet, on the magical isle of Ko Tao, bloody clothes and shoes disappear like the morning dew. There's been zero mention of bloody anything outside the crime scene, except an early report of a bloody pair of shorts, which turned out to be mud-splattered instead. Oh, there was mention of blood on Sean's guitar, but that was apparently from a separate wound. But was it? His arm wound looks identical to the stab wounds to David, though you won't get Thai officials commenting on that, and here's why: If Sean is a witness, co-perpetrator or has knowledge of the crime, then Sean's testimony would likely incriminate the real perps. You see where this is going? That's why it's no mystery (to most of us) why Sean was threatened with death if he spoke up about what he knew, AND why Sean was very quickly allowed to split from Thailand, without even giving a statement to police.

Even if the dozens of other fuk-ups by Thai officials didn't happen, just their one giant fuk-up regarding Sean would be proof of a cover-up (along with shielding the Headman's people at all costs), in itself.

My scenario of the ending moments of the crime are as follows: Sean may have been somewhere else, maybe playing guitar with the Burmese nearby. He hears major commotion nearby. He goes to investigate or perhaps to aid David (he said later "David was a real hero that night"). The perps are splitting the crime scene, they see another farang (Sean) who they know (note: Thais will assume all farang men will automatically come to the aid of a farang in distress, because that's what Thais do for each other.). Sean is aghast at what he sees/hears, he's stabbed in the arm by the same weapon which killed David, to convey the message, "get the fuk out of here. You didn't see anything, you understand?!"

Yes, I can imagine this as a 100% correct, these have been my identical thoughts as well and I even posted this scenario in a similar way too.

Sean claims however that wound was from a motorbike accident and that there are several people who can confirm that. The wound however looks very much like David's wounds, so I agree on that one. Another strange thing, why didn't he wash off the blood of his guitar for about a week? Why was he "escorted" off the island? All very fishy, yes. Sean claims he mentioned IF he was found dead he knew who did it (Mon & that cop) but did he really mean that? Or did he mean, I know who did it? I guess we will never know, he will definitely not show up as a witness during the trial. He fumed all over Soundcloud & Youtube he is innocent, knows nothing, and was heaving breakfast that very morning the bodies were discovered. He gave a testimony though to UK officers of what he knows, so he says and he also believes (knows) the B2 are innocent. Again, we will never know, he may even speak the truth but your scenario seems very plausible because all the dots connect. If it smell like sh*t, it probably is sh*t, right?

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