Won't start or turn over at all.. not battery

[ktm jeff]

As the Op says , there is no sound when trying to start the car. This would suggest the solenoid is at fault , as if it was the starter one would hear at least a click. The pairing of solenoid / starter are often sold as a unit , but TIT and one may be able to get the solenoid replaced / repaired seperatly.

[Lancashirelad]

As soon as I read the opening post I thought its 99% starter. (that includes solenoid as they come as 1 unit). Pity "the boy" didn't try putting a jump lead to the starter side connection of the solenoid to see if that would start it thus proving a duff solenoid. (or no power coming from switch to solenoid - so easily checked with a cheap test lamp, no multimeter required).

Anyway, garage where it is now need to remove starter, send to a reconditioning shop, then refit. It'll be right, jobs a goodun and Leks your uncle. Just a few hundred baht. But they should first check there is power coming from the switch to the solenoid.

[seedy]

Just changed to starter in my NV Saturday. Worked good, shut it off, went to restart - nothing. Not a click, fart, wheeze.

Installed rebuilt one. Took apart the old one. Brushes worn out.

[WarpSpeed]

Been doing different cars for years and when bought Soluna in Thailand swore wouldn't bother fixing myself anymore. What a fool I am!!!

Never ran into the problem before with what sounds like a similar situation.

Haven't looked at the video provided but what comes to mind is what never ran into before and learned somewhat unique to particular Toyota starters are the contacts on (inside) the motor. They're replaceable and not expensive.

I agree it likely comes down to contacts but then it comes down to someone there knowing the problem, having the skill to fix it and finding the parts which all end up measuring up to just replacing the entire unit and likely also avoiding the next drama with the same old part due to another issue, so you just end up chasing it for months and finally succumb to the ultimate conclusion that replacing it several months earlier would have been the best idea from the beginning. That's what I'm trying to get across having had up close and personal, first hand experience with both the parts and labor trade there while doing all of my own work.

I had 2 cars painted both the same model, both at the same time to keep cost down giving both jobs to the same guy. For the most part he did a good job and rather quickly, but we told him on both cars one after the other as we couldn't have them both painted at the same time as we needed one to drive. Do NOT paint the lower black plastic portion of rear bumper cover as I had spent hours with oven cleaner and a wire brush removing the previous paint and mm of inflexible plastic filler they had put on it that ultimately always cracks a week after the paint is done. I had planned to paint it with the proper flexible spray paint I was able to source at Home Pro, and he ended up painting both of them even though we again emphasized not to on the second car after he did so on the first. Sadly most times that's what you deal with when it comes to trade labor in Thailand, there are exceptions but mostly they are the not the rule THEY are the exception instead of the other way around.

[WarpSpeed]

As the Op says , there is no sound when trying to start the car. This would suggest the solenoid is at fault , as if it was the starter one would hear at least a click. The pairing of solenoid / starter are often sold as a unit , but TIT and one may be able to get the solenoid replaced / repaired seperatly.

I agree and noted that but I would not do that in Thailand, the OP will be chasing this problem for months if that's the case and the cost of the entire starter and solenoid together is negligible in comparison being an older Toy. 2 days after he replaces the solenoid the motor takes a dump, he's back again saying how it didn't work or he has problems again/still etc. and the chase is on.

[ClareQuilty]

OK, just got the car back today, the shop owner said they rebuilt the starter, replacing the bushings and the 'starter relay', but I couldn't pin him down about the solenoid due to a bit of communication difficulties. The total bill was 1,400 baht... perhaps a bit high?

Anyway, the car's working great now, we'll see if this fix sticks over the next days and weeks.

[WarpSpeed]

Some refer to the solenoid as a starter relay as that is essentially what it does.. In the translation that's probably what he's referring to. Glad you got it resolved, 1400baht including labor? Eaah, hard to say, still quite cheap compared to western standards, hope he did a good job on the rebuild though so you don't have to be doing this again anytime soon, that route would not have been my first choice, but oh well.

I went to a BMW performance shop to locate a distributor cap for an older 318I coup I had when I first got there and through my wife they kept telling her that the cap I was pointing to was just a "dust cover" and not really important though I was pointing an touching the distributor cap right in front of them. I thought for sure they'd understand the pointing part being it;s used so often? No such luck .. They make up a lot of their own names for parts and don't use the international standard, kind of like the English do .

Edited December 17, 2014 by WarpSpeed

[Daffy D]

OK, just got the car back today, the shop owner said they rebuilt the starter, replacing the bushings and the 'starter relay', but I couldn't pin him down about the solenoid due to a bit of communication difficulties. The total bill was 1,400 baht... perhaps a bit high?

Anyway, the car's working great now, we'll see if this fix sticks over the next days and weeks.

Glad you got it fixed.

As WarpSpeed said the "starter relay" would be the "solenoid"

Replacing the "bushings" (bearings) is good hope they replaced the brushes too

Including parts the price does not seem too bad and if they have done a good job the starter should now out last the car

[Pomthai]

1,400 baht sounds like a fair deal to me. Starters aren't usually in a particularly easy location to access and on an elderly car it'll likely be filthy with the possibility of seized bolts as well. Glad ya got it sorted. Hope the fix remains long term.

[transam]

There will be a relay between the ignition (key) and the solenoid......Fink you came out well at 1400bht...

[WarpSpeed]

Sometimes, not always but it is not certain he was speaking of that, I thought of that, but of course it's all speculation if that was being referred too? That's why I posted that "some" refer to the solenoid as the starter relay and in some cases on more modern cars it does both jobs or has a built in internal relay. Anyway..

Older system.

Same part different reference:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Starter-Solenoid-Relay-ATV-50cc-70cc-90-110-125-TaoTao-M-RL01-/360430073341

Wanted to post up 2 different examples of both the same part being called different things but the system wouldn't allow the examples.

Edited December 17, 2014 by WarpSpeed

[ClareQuilty]

A thanks guys. Yes I think he meant the 'brushes' when he said 'bushings', and the 'relay' may have meant the solenoid.