Sydney siege: Gunman takes hostages in Lindt cafe

[ALLSEEINGEYE]

Yes, only one God and my school is better than your school. Wanna fight about it?

[maisodni]

They seem to report only 1 terrorist.

Nearly reaching the 12 hour point. Dangerous time as his tiredness will start to effect his thought patterns. He has nobody backing him up and can't even rest.

I have been hoping that an Australian SAS assault team has been getting some good, restful sleep this afternoon and evening, before paying a "sandman" visit to the sleepy scumbag terrorist - say about 4:15 am tomorrow morning.

May said scumbag enjoy a long, loooonnnngg - very L-O-N-G dirt nap.

MS

[neverdie]

They seem to report only 1 terrorist.

Nearly reaching the 12 hour point. Dangerous time as his tiredness will start to effect his thought patterns. He has nobody backing him up and can't even rest.

You assumimg his plan is anything else but to make world news and then blow everyone up.

They need to move in and move in now, this is not a ransom situation , this is a suicide mission.

Jihadists do not hold hostages for some ransom, he has already displayed what he stands for and no demands have been made.

We also do not know if he is alone or not, not to mention what others from his cell / group are doing.

They also hardly ever work alone, sadly I do not see this ending well, but really hope I am wrong

No, Im Making no assumptions.

You are making plenty.

1stly understand this. The police are managing what gets out to the media and the media are responding well to this.

We (the public) haven't got all the details, we do not know about demands, at this point, so forget that, don't assume that there have been none.

The Police are not talking about that, nor any other sensitive information. Do you understand the point I am trying to make?

Prior to today, experts in the field have been fearing the 'lone wolf' operator. The type of terrorist that acts alone. This is a dangerous type of terrorist because they keep things to themselves, they don't make phone calls, they don't involve others and are harder to detect.

It could still be the case this guy isn't really what it seems he is.

His identity is now KNOWN. The police know who they are dealing with and he is known to them. That tells me something.

The dynamics of the situation are changing by the minute.

Feel free to contact NSW Police and tell them what you think, I'm sure others have. Rest assured these Police are well trained, qualified and experienced to make the call. I'm not so sure your advice to them will be received so well.

[ChoakMyDee]

My tolerance for religion is wearing very thin.

[konying]

They seem to report only 1 terrorist.

Nearly reaching the 12 hour point. Dangerous time as his tiredness will start to effect his thought patterns. He has nobody backing him up and can't even rest.

You assumimg his plan is anything else but to make world news and then blow everyone up.

They need to move in and move in now, this is not a ransom situation , this is a suicide mission.

Jihadists do not hold hostages for some ransom, he has already displayed what he stands for and no demands have been made.

We also do not know if he is alone or not, not to mention what others from his cell / group are doing.

They also hardly ever work alone, sadly I do not see this ending well, but really hope I am wrong

No, Im Making no assumptions.

You are making plenty.

1stly understand this. The police are managing what gets out to the media and the media are responding well to this.

We (the public) haven't got all the details, we do not know about demands, at this point, so forget that, don't assume that there have been none.

The Police are not talking about that, nor any other sensitive information. Do you understand the point I am trying to make?

Prior to today, experts in the field have been fearing the 'lone wolf' operator. The type of terrorist that acts alone. This is a dangerous type of terrorist because they keep things to themselves, they don't make phone calls, they don't involve others and are harder to detect.

It could still be the case this guy isn't really what it seems he is.

His identity is now KNOWN. The police know who they are dealing with and he is known to them. That tells me something.

The dynamics of the situation are changing by the minute.

Feel free to contact NSW Police and tell them what you think, I'm sure others have. Rest assured these Poluce are well trained, qualified and experienced to make the call. I'm not so sure your advice to them will be received so well.

I realize your 15 or so years ago experience in AU police makes you an expert on most if not all matters, but I hate to be the one to tell you that it is possible that someone as silly as me might have little more knowledge and first hand experience with jihadist and terrorism.

They do not act alone, police does not know how many are involved , they only know the one they see.

There reason for not releasing demands because there are none , have you missed the black sign? What do you think his agenda is? And what do you think his plans are if demands are not met?

Would love to hear your thoughts on when au police had a situation like this and how they handled it?

[Jdiddy]

http://youtu.be/BZwq5OMhT98

http://youtu.be/E7eOz8lyA5E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kww2PomzyI0

Edited December 15, 2014 by Jdiddy

[Thaiready]

The problem or I guess the scary thing is the jihadist is happy to die in the name of God .

I am afraid the game now is how many hostages can be saved not how to save them.

Their God is the Devil

[Scott]

Numerous off-topic, inflammatory, bickering, troll and conspiracy posts and replies have been removed.

There will be a great deal of time to dissect this situation once it is over. Right now, let's please stay on the topic.

[Thaiready]

How can this be political when he is waving a flag related to their religion that talks about their prophet? Once again Political correctness is one of the contributing factors that has allowed this to happen and of course the Greens cannot get enough unskilled Muslims coming to the west living on DSS for the rest of their lives.

my idea of Political Correctness is to get them before they get me......."Racist".......you damn right.

[neverdie]

They seem to report only 1 terrorist.

Nearly reaching the 12 hour point. Dangerous time as his tiredness will start to effect his thought patterns. He has nobody backing him up and can't even rest.

You assumimg his plan is anything else but to make world news and then blow everyone up.

They need to move in and move in now, this is not a ransom situation , this is a suicide mission.

Jihadists do not hold hostages for some ransom, he has already displayed what he stands for and no demands have been made.

We also do not know if he is alone or not, not to mention what others from his cell / group are doing.

They also hardly ever work alone, sadly I do not see this ending well, but really hope I am wrong

No, Im Making no assumptions.

You are making plenty.

1stly understand this. The police are managing what gets out to the media and the media are responding well to this.

We (the public) haven't got all the details, we do not know about demands, at this point, so forget that, don't assume that there have been none.

The Police are not talking about that, nor any other sensitive information. Do you understand the point I am trying to make?

Prior to today, experts in the field have been fearing the 'lone wolf' operator. The type of terrorist that acts alone. This is a dangerous type of terrorist because they keep things to themselves, they don't make phone calls, they don't involve others and are harder to detect.

It could still be the case this guy isn't really what it seems he is.

His identity is now KNOWN. The police know who they are dealing with and he is known to them. That tells me something.

The dynamics of the situation are changing by the minute.

Feel free to contact NSW Police and tell them what you think, I'm sure others have. Rest assured these Poluce are well trained, qualified and experienced to make the call. I'm not so sure your advice to them will be received so well.

I realize your 15 or so years ago experience in AU police makes you an expert on most if not all matters, but I hate to be the one to tell you that it is possible that someone as silly as me might have little more knowledge and first hand experience with jihadist and terrorism.

They do not act alone, police does not know how many are involved , they only know the one they see.

There reason for not releasing demands because there are none , have you missed the black sign? What do you think his agenda is? And what do you think his plans are if demands are not met?

Would love to hear your thoughts on when au police had a situation like this and how they handled it?

15 or so years ago? What are you talking about? It's not me at Sydney, I'm not the one you are competing with. Are you claiming to have more experience with these matts than all the specialist Police and their advisors, in Sydney at the moment?

You want to know what other ' terrorist' related incidents have been handled by Australian Police?

Edited December 15, 2014 by Scott

[NamKAheng]

The Huffington Post UK and the Daily Mail UK report that the f...... morons of Uber more than double their taxi fees in Sidney because of the hostage situation, they are now getting a s... storm on the net for that.

[jacky54]

Come on Tony get on the phone

[Ulysses G.]

My tolerance for religion is wearing very thin.

I am not religious myself, but this is about one specific religion. You can't lump them all together.

[neverdie]

Come on Tony get on the phone

Yes, Tony should get on the phone and ring the Thai Visa terrorism expert. Konying will tell them clumsy Australian Police how to do it.

Priceless.

Edited December 15, 2014 by neverdie

[dexterm]

The usual Islam bashing hatefest with the usual suspects has emerged on this forum.

I would suggest that the perp is a copycat lone wolf nut job (he hasn’t even got an IS flag..one of his demands)

Or he may be responding to IS calls to perpetrate lone wolf actions against Australia for its over enthusiastic unnecessary involvement in a civil war between Sunni, Shia and Kurdish factions 8,000 miles away from Sydney, which I warned against on this forum 3 or 4 months ago.

I think the guy is a publicity seeker ...successful it seems.

I hope the hostage situation will end peacefully with no-one killed. If he is a lone gunman he's going to fall asleep soon. The Aussies seem to be handling it very professionally...they are in contact with the perp, so they know where he's coming from.

[neverdie]

The usual Islam bashing hatefest with the usual suspects has emerged on this forum.

I would suggest that the perp is a copycat lone wolf nut job (he hasnt even got an IS flag..one of his demands)

Or he may be responding to IS calls to perpetrate lone wolf actions against Australia for its over enthusiastic unnecessary involvement in a civil war between Sunni, Shia and Kurdish factions 8,000 miles away from Sydney, which I warned against on this forum 3 or 4 months ago.

I think the guy is a publicity seeker ...successful it seems.

I hope the hostage situation will end peacefully with no-one killed. If he is a lone gunman he's going to fall asleep soon. The Aussies seem to be handling it very professionally...they are in contact with the perp, so they know where he's coming from.

Well said sir.

[konying]

15 or so years ago? What are you talking about? It's not me at Sydney, I'm not the one you are competing with. Are you claiming to have more experience with these matts than all the specialist Police and their advisors, in Sydney at the moment?

You want to know what other ' terrorist' related incidents have been handled by Australian Police?

Yes i do want to know, i did ask the question did not i?

Go to post 160, watch the clips and feel free to apologize. Do keep in mind my post and i guess analysis of the situation was posted way before the clips.

So what experience does AU police have with this ?

What experience do their advisors have?

Why do you think nothing is happening? Is it because they do not know what to do? or because they so experienced that they do?

After you have gone back to post 160 and heard the demands, what do you think his/their agenda is? Do you still believe he is a lone wolf? Care to share a time when jihadist was a lone wolf?

There have been plenty of cases people going crazy and going on the shooting rampage, but no cases of jihadists acting alone, but i am happy for you to prove me wrong,

And yes i do have extensive experience with Jihadists, but i am not here to to argue whose "member" is bigger.

I have expressed my opinion, you felt the need to belittle me, only to be proven wrong and my "assumptions" to be right.

PS. and yes i do know who you are, an ex cop wounded in the line of duty, some 15 or so years ago

Edited December 15, 2014 by konying

[konying]

The usual Islam bashing hatefest with the usual suspects has emerged on this forum.

I would suggest that the perp is a copycat lone wolf nut job (he hasn’t even got an IS flag..one of his demands)

Or he may be responding to IS calls to perpetrate lone wolf actions against Australia for its over enthusiastic unnecessary involvement in a civil war between Sunni, Shia and Kurdish factions 8,000 miles away from Sydney, which I warned against on this forum 3 or 4 months ago.

I think the guy is a publicity seeker ...successful it seems.

I hope the hostage situation will end peacefully with no-one killed. If he is a lone gunman he's going to fall asleep soon. The Aussies seem to be handling it very professionally...they are in contact with the perp, so they know where he's coming from.

Yeah its all a bluff, and he is planning to give up and go to jail.

Oh but wait, it may not be and then what?

[NamKAheng]

The Huffington Post UK and the Daily Mail UK report that the f...... morons of Uber more than double their taxi fees in Sidney because of the hostage situation, they are now getting a s... storm on the net for that.

Correction, the price hike was 4X.

[uptheos]

Do people think it's a member of the Twinky club masquerading as an Islamic terrorist, by flying the flag.

I mean if you can't go into a bloody chocolate shop, then nowhere is off bounds to these lunatics. It's terror at it's worst

I don't know what the answer is, but I'll go along with any radical ideas to rid the planet of these scum.

Edited December 15, 2014 by uptheos

[jacky54]

The usual Islam bashing hatefest with the usual suspects has emerged on this forum.

I would suggest that the perp is a copycat lone wolf nut job (he hasn’t even got an IS flag..one of his demands)

Why do people confuse opposition with 'hate'? I would suggest that this Islamic terrorist is just that, a terrorist inspired by Islam and calling him a nut job as apologists do does not alter the fact that Islam inspires thousands around the world to engage in violence and terror. This is only a hostage situation so far not a bombing or killing spree but it's no less serious, many Islamic hostage situations have ended in massacres in the past few decades, Munich being the best known. It's no good pretending in the west that Islam can co exist peacefully and integrate with democracies where citizens, including women and gay people have equal human rights, it can't.

Edited December 15, 2014 by jacky54

[neverdie]

15 or so years ago? What are you talking about? It's not me at Sydney, I'm not the one you are competing with. Are you claiming to have more experience with these matts than all the specialist Police and their advisors, in Sydney at the moment?

You want to know what other ' terrorist' related incidents have been handled by Australian Police?

Yes i do want to know, i did ask the question did not i?

Go to post 160, watch the clips and feel free to apologize. Do keep in mind my post and i guess analysis of the situation was posted way before the clips.

So what experience does AU police have with this ?

What experience do their advisors have?

Why do you think nothing is happening? Is it because they do not know what to do? or because they so experienced that they do?

After you have gone back to post 160 and heard the demands, what do you think his/their agenda is? Do you still believe he is a lone wolf? Care to share a time when jihadist was a lone wolf?

There have been plenty of cases people going crazy and going on the shooting rampage, but no cases of jihadists acting alone, but i am happy for you to prove me wrong,

And yes i do have extensive experience with Jihadists, but i am not here to to argue whose "member" is bigger.

I have expressed my opinion, you felt the need to belittle me, only to be proven wrong and my "assumptions" to be right.

PS. and yes i do know who you are, an ex cop wounded in the line of duty, some 15 or so years ago

You keep assuming that "Nothing" is happening. That's where you keep falling over.

There have been other terrorist related incidents in Australia over the years and there are Police and specialists in the field within the country.

Why haven't you picked up the phone and rung them yet, since you are the world #1 authority on Terrorism and all within.

You are wrong about me, most likely deliberately claiming 15 years when it hasn't been anywhere near that long.

Anyway, this isn't about me, it's about you knowing everything and the Australian Authorities knowing nothing.

Must be hard work up in that tower of yours. Let me guess where you originated from. Why are you wasting your talents hiding in Thailand?

[Ulysses G.]

The usual Islam bashing hatefest with the usual suspects has emerged on this forum.

Why do people confuse opposition with 'hate'?

Just search his posting history. All will become apparent.

[jacky54]

Did not take long to find out!

[Rangsitreppin]

Motivation for the attack, which has been unfolding since 10am today, is still unknown.

Doesn't the black Islamic flag make the motivation pretty obvious?

UG,

What the suits are saying isn't necessarily an indication of how the police professionals are handling the matter.

The public arnt in the loop. It shouldn't surprise you.

Rumour has it the guy holding the store up is 1 of 70 or so aussies not allowed to leave oz For reasons unknown.

[Mosha]

Australia terror alert is now at Strewth mate.

[konying]

15 or so years ago? What are you talking about? It's not me at Sydney, I'm not the one you are competing with. Are you claiming to have more experience with these matts than all the specialist Police and their advisors, in Sydney at the moment?

You want to know what other ' terrorist' related incidents have been handled by Australian Police?

Yes i do want to know, i did ask the question did not i?

Go to post 160, watch the clips and feel free to apologize. Do keep in mind my post and i guess analysis of the situation was posted way before the clips.

So what experience does AU police have with this ?

What experience do their advisors have?

Why do you think nothing is happening? Is it because they do not know what to do? or because they so experienced that they do?

After you have gone back to post 160 and heard the demands, what do you think his/their agenda is? Do you still believe he is a lone wolf? Care to share a time when jihadist was a lone wolf?

There have been plenty of cases people going crazy and going on the shooting rampage, but no cases of jihadists acting alone, but i am happy for you to prove me wrong,

And yes i do have extensive experience with Jihadists, but i am not here to to argue whose "member" is bigger.

I have expressed my opinion, you felt the need to belittle me, only to be proven wrong and my "assumptions" to be right.

PS. and yes i do know who you are, an ex cop wounded in the line of duty, some 15 or so years ago

You keep assuming that "Nothing" is happening. That's where you keep falling over.

There have been other terrorist related incidents in Australia over the years and there are Police and specialists in the field within the country.

Why haven't you picked up the phone and rung them yet, since you are the world #1 authority on Terrorism and all within.

You are wrong about me, most likely deliberately claiming 15 years when it hasn't been anywhere near that long.

Anyway, this isn't about me, it's about you knowing everything and the Australian Authorities knowing nothing.

Must be hard work up in that tower of yours. Let me guess where you originated from. Why are you wasting your talents hiding in Thailand?

Again, 3rd time i ask, when was a situation like this and what experience does AU police have with this?

Saying there have been many is pretty useless, name year or anything.

I have left my past behind, because past is past, but it is no reason why i can not express my opinion and clearly my opinion seems to be much more spot on then yours.

Again you claiming they are doing something, what is it that they are doing?

Earlier you claimed, you were sure he is a lone wolf, so pumping gas would be easy and problem solved, no?

IF he is not a lone wolf, well then they have no idea what to do, do they?

Why? because Australia has never had such situation and making the decision now is very hard and could may well be fatal to all hostages.

It is a very tough situation and there will be no win win outcome.

Area has been evacuated, if indeed there are bombs and others waiting to detonate it, there would be minimal to no casualties.

My opinion remains, they need to act now, i still believe the aim of this act was to attract attention, which is achieved and the next step is as i said boom.

Tony Abbot is talking rubbish with no clear indication of any plan. He keeps saying police know what to do

Again, i sincerely hope i am wrong, but waiting out is not going to give police an upper hand.

[ozsamurai]

Well if nothing else being in a coffee shop should help him stay awake a few more hours.

Oz

[jacksam]

Well if nothing else being in a coffee shop should help him stay awake a few more hours.

Oz

Don't even call yourself Australian. No real au bloke would post such a stupid comment. Embarrassing to say least. Young 18 yr old text his mother from inside that he OK but cannot talk. Seriously think before you comment buddy

[zydeco]

Well if nothing else being in a coffee shop should help him stay awake a few more hours.

Oz

Until the toilet beckons.