Anti-Islam march in German city of Dresden

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Anti-Islam 'Pegida' march in German city of Dresden

(BBC) About 10,000 people have taken part in a march against "Islamisation of the West" in the east German city of Dresden.

A large counter-demonstration of more than 5,000 people was also held. No major incidents were reported.

Dresden is the birthplace of a movement called "Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamisation of the West" (Pegida), which staged a big rally a week ago.

Chancellor Angela Merkel warned Germans not to be exploited by extremists.

"There's freedom of assembly in Germany, but there's no place for incitement and lies about people who come to us from other countries,'' Mrs Merkel said in Berlin.

"Everyone [who attends] needs to be careful that they are not taken advantage of by the people who organise such events."

In Monday's march, protesters chanted Wir sind das volk (we are the people) - a rallying cry used in the city in the weeks before the fall of the Berlin Wall 25 years ago.

Full story: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30478321


-- BBC 2014-12-16

[Mosha]

Didn't Merkel once say multiculturalism had failed in Germany?

[uptheos]

"Everyone [who attends] needs to be careful that they are not taken advantage of by the people who organise such events."

I wonder if she would dare say this if it were a pro Islamist march?

[ezzra]

March all you want my German friends, too late now, the die is cast, you have infuriated by millions

of Muslim who's alliance only to other Muslims, but do not worry friends, you're in good company,

half of Europe is in the same crappy situation as you are, namely, all the Scandinavian countries,

Holland and Belgium... good luck to you guys, now rip what your foolish hearted leaders have sawn...

[BeforeTigers]

Meh.

You can't protest culture.
You can only take part in it.

[zaZa9]

This thread would be far more 'popular' if someone could find a pic of one of the protesters carrying a swastika ....

[marquisdesade]

too little, too late !

[EyesWideOpen]

Too late...............100 years from now America will be a Hispanic nation, and Europe will be

Muslim. The former leader of Palestine, Yasser Arafat, once said

that his group would win through the womb. Western countries should have paid more attention

to that statement, as that is what is happening now. The only way to reverse this inevitable

process would be deportations. Or just accept it.........

[thaidel48]

Its about time that we Europeans recognise the threat caused by Islamic extremist AND American Christain extremists. In fact it is my belief that any organized religion that promotes any kind of violence or tolerates its members commiting these acts should be banned.

The west is at fault for allowing Saudi Arabia to export its rather warped take on Islam in exchange for oil. If this is not the case why did we attack Afghanistan and not Saudi Arabia where most of those involved the the twin towers attack were actually from ?

[janpharma]

Meh.

You can't protest culture.

You can only take part in it.

Do you call this "culture"?!

[lee b]

Islam and its people cause trouble and demonstrate all over the world. Are they allowed to do it? Maybe not, but they still do, so what is the problem of this? I dont see one. Again to me the problem is pushed away from them that cause it, and others who wish to speak there mind are not allowed to?? Rubbish time for change !

[Friendly Stranger]

This thread would be far more 'popular' if someone could find a pic of one of the protesters carrying a swastika ....

I don't think there's a need for that considering what happened today in Sydney.

[Naam]

Didn't Merkel once say multiculturalism had failed in Germany?

she did but in context of "we must try harder."

[Saradoc1972]

This thread would be far more 'popular' if someone could find a pic of one of the protesters carrying a swastika ....

Little chance of that. The organizers have instructed the participants (as far as that is possible) to watch the guys around them and report anyone displaying extremist signs or behaviour to the police.

The PEGIDA organizers obviously have no chance of banning neo-nazis from entering their demonstation, so they have to sort out troublemakers this way, i.e. after the fact.

While it is quite obvious that some far-right will join the fray as the things PEGIDA demonstrate for are some sort of "minimum consensus", PEGIDA are actually NOT against foreigners and Germany offering fugitives shelter as such.

So IF you were to see news coverage of someone giving a Hitler's salute that would not be representative of the movement.

[JockPieandBeans]

Didn't Merkel once say multiculturalism had failed in Germany?

she did but in context of "we must try harder."

Sure, because Politicians cannot admit to failure.

[harryfrompattaya]

March all you want my German friends, too late now, the die is cast, you have infuriated by millions

of Muslim who's alliance only to other Muslims, but do not worry friends, you're in good company,

half of Europe is in the same crappy situation as you are, namely, all the Scandinavian countries,

Holland and Belgium... good luck to you guys, now rip what your foolish hearted leaders have sawn...

Germany wanted Juden Free and look what you got in their replacement, Do you think God did this to you?

Anyway to bad Germany shall be a Muslim Country

I have to live to pray for the German Souls that stated this

[Ulysses G.]

Its about time that we Europeans recognise the threat caused by Islamic extremist AND American Christain extremists.

Stop with the foolish talking points. Radical Islam dwarfs the problems caused by any other religion. There is no legitimate comparison.

Edited December 16, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[empireboy]

Its about time that we Europeans recognise the threat caused by Islamic extremist AND American Christain extremists. In fact it is my belief that any organized religion that promotes any kind of violence or tolerates its members commiting these acts should be banned.

The west is at fault for allowing Saudi Arabia to export its rather warped take on Islam in exchange for oil. If this is not the case why did we attack Afghanistan and not Saudi Arabia where most of those involved the the twin towers attack were actually from ?

All brands of 'Big Religion' create extremes and extremists.

[empireboy]

When are we going to wake up to the doctrines of non-sense of these organisations that hide behind "faith" only because they don't have a "reasonable" answer for their existence that would stand any kind of logical or scientific scrutiny!?

[Saradoc1972]

(BBC) About 10,000 people have taken part in a march against "Islamisation of the West" in the east German city of Dresden.

Little correction here and some background.

Pegida have been demonstrating un Dresden every Monday afternoon for 8 weeks now, their numbers swelling from a couple of hundred to 15.000 (that is the real number for yesterday) over time.

On Dec. 1st they had 6.000 on the road and were blocked by 1500 counter-protesters, police failing to to clear the latter off the street. Maybe Pegida should take them to court.

The next week, there were 10.000 marching with 9.000 counter-protesters, some leading politicians of the Greens party and cabinet members among them. I sometimes wonder what business they have taking their views to the streets.

Yesterday, there were 15.000 marching and some 4.500 counter-protesters.

The whole thing really got everyone's attention and is making news everyday, as most established political parties (apart from the anti-Euro AFD) are calling Pegida racist, facist, populist, despicable, and whatnot. And there is not one article failing to point out this Bachmann fellow has a criminal past. Like that keeps him from thinking or having his own take on Islam and Germany's asylum policy. But apparently that's a good starting point to denigrate a movement most politicians see as threatening. Meaning them, their party, and the next election.

Pegida makes every effort not to be racist, bigot, or anti-immigration. They want tougher immigration rules, faster processing for asylum-seekers, deportation of criminal foreigners and asylum-seekers, and a stop to islamization (as in not having Christmas markets renamed to winter markets, and a ban on headscarves in schools).

This is completely disregarded when the usual suspects start denigrating them as some form of nazis when talking to the press, they are saying anything about how immigration and asylum is being handled: pop goes the weasel, they must populists and a wee bit stupid.

[arrowsdawdle]

"Everyone [who attends] needs to be careful that they are not taken advantage of by the people who organise such events."

I wonder if she would dare say this if it were a pro Islamist march?

And therein lies the rub.

[AlQaholic]

Firstly! I am not a racist.

I am against all forms of organized religions, from American Scam artists, to the Catholic church and its nincompoop pope, and the one religion I am most against is the Islamic faith.

Reason for this is the integration of secular and religious values in the Islamic model of rule, this is a direct and unholy violation of the Human rights of people.

It does not matter if the particular flavor of the Islamic faith happens to be moderate, neutral or extremist, the concept is completely wrong.

To witness the spread of this disgusting religion into Europe and other formerly civilized countries is heartbreaking and should be repelled by any means possible.

Moderate Islam clerics may argue that it is all peaceful and so forth, it does not matter, the religion as such is wrong from beginning to end and should be banned in every country in Europe.

In the shear numbers of offspring alone will the Islamic faith overrun Europe as the late Gaddafi once said, number of Muslims born is far overshadowing the number of "normal" people.

History tells us, any faith or political persuasion will be used by the powerful few to gain riches and control the ignorant masses.

Edited December 16, 2014 by AlQaholic

[razer]

Interesting article on topic

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30436692

[slipperylobster]

Too late...............100 years from now America will be a Hispanic nation, and Europe will be

Muslim. The former leader of Palestine, Yasser Arafat, once said

that his group would win through the womb. Western countries should have paid more attention

to that statement, as that is what is happening now. The only way to reverse this inevitable

process would be deportations. Or just accept it.........

Not only this, expect the English language to undergo another stage in development...Spanglish.

North America will more closely resemble neighbors to the south...and the "White Caucasian" will become as rare as the White Elephant. Not far off.

I see in the Filipino People, the future look of the United States. My son is Filipino...a handsome kid. The girls look great, as well.

Not a bad future......I might start studying the Spanish language so I can "hablais" or whatever...in the USA of the future.

Edited December 16, 2014 by slipperylobster

[ChrisY1]

Didn't Merkel once say multiculturalism had failed in Germany?

Yes...she did.......she's a lot braver than many other western countries PMs and Presidents to admit the truth......

[slipperylobster]

Any religion which fails to police itself, will become pariah.

From what I see and hear, people are becoming polarized........fanatics or non believers. The middle part of the sandwich is getting thinner and thinner.

People in, in general, are tired of the BS

[cup-O-coffee]

"Everyone [who attends] needs to be careful that they are not taken advantage of by the people who organise such events."

I wonder if she would dare say this if it were a pro Islamist march?

And therein lies the rub.

I read what she says as a sign.

I also am reading what the protesters are protesting as a sign. I'd like to know more of what they are protesting, though.

I do understand that there are a lot of knee-jerk reactions to protests of this sort, and dismiss them as an obstruction to much deeper truths that are only beginning to rear their heads in the boiling water.

I would speculate that this OP broaches the subject of multiculturalism, and the negative kickbacks it will inevitably generate in the near future.

I also understand that the vast majority of multiculturalism seems to be taking places in predominately white countries. Many non-white countries have the privilege of retaining their racial and cultural identities, even to the point of violations of human rights, ...but when it comes to the predominately white countries, there seems to be strict requirements for white people in those countries to be tolerant and to hoe the row for the millions and millions of non-white immigrants pouring in (intentionally and by design?) to their homelands and turning their countries into crime ridden slums which destroy the social and economic balance. It's OK for Asia to be Asian. It's OK for Israel to be Israel, etc.etc., but predominately white countries are being deluged and their own identities and cultures are being threatened by various means and behaviors.

I know that may sound racist or anti-Semitic. Call it what you want. If you've got the time, I've got the facts, so hold off on being reverse-racist or hating me. After all, I didn't organize the protests, or even have any responsibility for any of the anger white people around the world are beginning to feel and share between themselves. I almost feel angry at myself for feeling a twinge of guilt for saying this, because I know it is a truth that needs to be addressed in a fair and equitable manner and with equal consideration.

A good read on why, perhaps, this protest is occurring may be here:

Understanding the European-wide assault on multiculturalism

"In Germany, where there will be elections in seven of the country’s sixteen states in 2011, Chancellor Angela Merkel, who had previously described Sarrazin’s book as ‘not helpful’, set the parameters for discussion. She received a standing ovation from the youth wing of the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) when she declared in a speech in Potsdam on 16 October 2010 that the multicultural society had ‘utterly failed’, that the ‘multikulti’ concept – where people would ‘live side-by-side’ happily – did not work, and that immigrants needed to do more to integrate – including learning German."

At the end of the day, I feel this OP touches on the fact that white people around the world are waking up and realizing that they are getting a raw deal and being shown the back door, unless they do something soon.

Just my take on the situation, ...and I do not feel I am far off the topic that fuels this OP.

[HughJass]

its all been a deliberate plan to destroy western culture,values and the genocide of white gentiles

i would love inform u all about the reasons why and who is behind it all but it will only get removed because in todays world telling the truth about certain people is deemed racist

[Lupatria]

March all you want my German friends, too late now, the die is cast, you have infuriated by millions

of Muslim who's alliance only to other Muslims, but do not worry friends, you're in good company,

half of Europe is in the same crappy situation as you are, namely, all the Scandinavian countries,

Holland and Belgium... good luck to you guys, now rip what your foolish hearted leaders have sawn...

Germany wanted Juden Free and look what you got in their replacement, Do you think God did this to you?

Anyway to bad Germany shall be a Muslim Country

I have to live to pray for the German Souls that stated this

When was the last time you talked to a radical Muslim in your hood about "your god" ?

[harryfrompattaya]

March all you want my German friends, too late now, the die is cast, you have infuriated by millions

of Muslim who's alliance only to other Muslims, but do not worry friends, you're in good company,

half of Europe is in the same crappy situation as you are, namely, all the Scandinavian countries,

Holland and Belgium... good luck to you guys, now rip what your foolish hearted leaders have sawn...

Germany wanted Juden Free and look what you got in their replacement, Do you think God did this to you?

Anyway to bad Germany shall be a Muslim Country

I have to live to pray for the German Souls that stated this

When was the last time you talked to a radical Muslim in your hood about "your god" ?

I can see you never spoke to a Black Musllim many if not most believe in Jesus Christ.

And over time they become Christians or go back to Christ and leave the Muslim Religion

Edited December 16, 2014 by harryfrompattaya