arrowsdawdle Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 As long as the junta and the military stay out of it...it sounds good. 555555555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrowsdawdle Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Does this mean that soldiers will be collecting curbside urine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini81 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Does this mean that soldiers will be collecting curbside urine? If they close down the happy ending massages while I'm in there, they will have to collect our...... instead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini81 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) Does this mean that soldiers will be collecting curbside urine? If they close down the happy ending massages while we're in there, they will have to collect our...... instead! Edited December 18, 2014 by gemini81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masuk Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Reorganizing the police is certainly not a bad move! If they could do away with the required promotion money, I think police corruption will by greatly reduced. (currently, candidates for promotion must find a large amount of money to pay the bribe, and most take loans from persons who then effectively control the promoted officer) Forest and Railway police are really secondary concerns, but I would welcome the creation of traffic police that would include the highway police. If a good, honest Traffic Police section were formed, and motorists correctly apprehended, traffic violations issued, fines paid to Govt treasury, serious misdemeanours handled by the courts, it could well result in a dramatic drop in alcohol related traffic accidents and fatalities. Training would readily be supplied by one of the Western Govts, I'm sure. I seem to remember that one ASEAN country replaced all its police, or certainly disbanded them and possibly took in those worthy of working for the good of the community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailiketoo Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Always top down in Thailand....when will they ever learn? Same in Singapore. But Singapore not so bad eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatsujin Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Anyone who believes dissolving the RTP will remove Thaksin's support is barking mad. No matter the propaganda and anti Thaksin rhetoric, when democracy is eventually restored and fair elections are held, there will be only one winner. Thaksin and his supporters just have to sit this out and bide their time. It was never democratic, who are you kidding? A constitutional monarchy for starters. Secondly, the votes were bought, it is well documented common knowledge. You're referring to the return of further banana republic fiefdom- how would that be any better? So, the UK is not "democratic" because it's a "constitutional monarchy"? You might want to differentiate a little between "executive" (Thailand) and "ceremonial" (United Kingdom) monarchies, big difference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrerakiss Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 A far more urgent task is the reform of the top heavy (more than 3,000 generals!), highly corrupt and inefficient Thai armed forces. Hmm, this may not be at the top of the to do list of the current government, however merit worthy it may be. Future governments, even if not dominated by military personnel, will find it to be a task way outside their power. Decentralization may or may not be a good idea to improve RTP, but divide and conquer is the phrase that comes to mind in terms of the rival to the power of the military. Time will tell, but it seems the military in some form or another, are pretty much here to stay. May or may not be a good thing of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) A BIG WOW! Total shot across the bows and blowing the figurehead off of the police ship. Give assorted ministries security budgets that exceed the police force budgets spent on the ministries security, and you cut down on ministry disloyalty and so spying to the police hierarchy on ministry decisions, and thus reducing the corruption for the BIB security, used to justify making ends meet. Splitting up forces from central command and splitting off the hiring firing committee, so that lower down, less beholden players make the local hire/fire decisions, seems prudent too. Should low the graft taking needed to gain advancement up the force. Taking Thaksin's political control away is a bedrock must do, and this looks like a well thought out way to achieve that. Thaksin's control is top down, if you divide the top echelons and pit them against each other, and put in leaders that can not be swayed back to Thaksinistas, then it effectively cuts his feet off. Which you put in a new cork in several smaller jugs, it is much harder to syphon off the contents, than if it is one old cork in a big barrel. There is more to this no doubt, but this alone is a major sea change. Edited December 18, 2014 by animatic 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 If true, hopefully the new police force will be comprised of locally commissioned and accountable policing bodies and not some national force. The selection of officers from other areas, as opposed to locally, is better when combating corruption. The main issue is going to remain, that is having both adequate pay and adequate training for non-commisioned police. (pay for commissioned officers is too low as well.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 A far more urgent task is the reform of the top heavy (more than 3,000 generals!), highly corrupt and inefficient Thai armed forces. More than 3000? Are you sure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 A BIG WOW! Total shot across the bows and blowing the figurehead off of the police ship. Give assorted ministries security budgets that exceed the police force budgets spent on the ministries security, and you cut down on ministry disloyalty and so spying to the police hierarchy on ministry decisions, and thus reducing the corruption for the BIB security, used to justify making ends meet. Splitting up forces from central command and splitting off the hiring firing committee, so that lower down, less beholden players make the local hire/fire decisions, seems prudent too. Should low the graft taking needed to gain advancement up the force. Taking Thaksin's political control away is a bedrock must do, and this looks like a well thought out way to achieve that. Thaksin's control is top down, if you divide the top echelons and pit them against each other, and put in leaders that can not be swayed back to Thaksinistas, then it effectively cuts his feet off. Which you put in a new cork in several smaller jugs, it is much harder to syphon off the contents, than if it is one old cork in a big barrel. There is more to this no doubt, but this alone is a major sea change. The buzz around the office is that this is not a done deal yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGareth2 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 think there are 600 odd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkup Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Get ready for angry gangs of rogue cops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupatria Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentmartin Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Always top down in Thailand....when will they ever learn? Same in Singapore. But Singapore not so bad eh? Singapore is a dictatorship in all but name, 'not so bad ?', not if you like living under a dictatorship......... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinmaew Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Who cares? - How much for a Plaa Neung Manaow and a good massage with Noi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweatalot Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 A far more urgent task is the reform of the top heavy (more than 3,000 generals!), highly corrupt and inefficient Thai armed forces. Why should that be more urgent? I don't think so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The manic Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Anyone who believes dissolving the RTP will remove Thaksin's support is barking mad. No matter the propaganda and anti Thaksin rhetoric, when democracy is eventually restored and fair elections are held, there will be only one winner. Thaksin and his supporters just have to sit this out and bide their time. Oh yes. And I hope a list of these running dog revisionist lackeys who support the coup on this forum will be given to the first democratically elected government and they can all find another junta to live under. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The manic Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 A far more urgent task is the reform of the top heavy (more than 3,000 generals!), highly corrupt and inefficient Thai armed forces. Why should that be more urgent? I don't think so Because they are out of control, not fit for purpose,corrupt to the core and anti democratic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailiketoo Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Always top down in Thailand....when will they ever learn? Same in Singapore. But Singapore not so bad eh? Singapore is a dictatorship in all but name, 'not so bad ?', not if you like living under a dictatorship......... Who wouldn't like Thai prices and Singapore civilization? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry001 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Sorry but this country is quickly turning into a 'basket case' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangrak Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Anyone who believes dissolving the RTP will remove Thaksin's support is barking mad. No matter the propaganda and anti Thaksin rhetoric, when democracy is eventually restored and fair elections are held, there will be only one winner. Thaksin and his supporters just have to sit this out and bide their time. Anyone who doesn't believe dissolving the RTP will remove Thaksin's pretorian guard is barking mad. No matter the propaganda and pro Thaksin rhetoric, when democracy is eventually given a chance and fair elections are held, there will be no bought voters anymore. Thaksin just has to do his time, in jail, and his supporters take time to appoint a decent non-Shin leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailiketoo Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Sorry but this country is quickly turning into a 'basket case' Larry a quick perusal of your posts confirms the fact you have never been to Thailand. So, how do you know the country is turning into a basket case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MobileContent Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Reorganizing the police is certainly not a bad move! If they could do away with the required promotion money, I think police corruption will by greatly reduced. (currently, candidates for promotion must find a large amount of money to pay the bribe, and most take loans from persons who then effectively control the promoted officer) Forest and Railway police are really secondary concerns, but I would welcome the creation of traffic police that would include the highway police. You have a very good point but the same issues happens to the Royal Thai Army, Air Force and Navy and no one dares to look into their books. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy chef 1 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 A far more urgent task is the reform of the top heavy (more than 3,000 generals!), highly corrupt and inefficient Thai armed forces. This whole place is corrupt! Those in power will see to it that they are the most corrupt and in effect make the most $$$ and the most power. Overhaul the whole country and start with this thing called 'rule of law', accountability and transparency. x Good Luck Thailand OMG- usualy i stay out of the ..../news section.but this one ...overhaul the entire country?...and reform it to a second UK! but what would all the bashers in the news section have to do all day long.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whyamiandwhatamidoinghere Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Tits on a brace Monkey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nithisa78 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Any and all leadership is reflection of Us. Any challenges that are along the journey are there by my doing. Not the governments. I am the Master of my fate and Captain of my soul. Not some public official. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louse1953 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 So the two political parties in Thailand commence war. The Army and the Police. Bit of a Hobson's choice as they're not really any different are they. I feel for the regular Thais, it's their country. Ultimately Farangs have the option to leave if they wish to. Ask any Thai about who will win,Taharn every time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebrown Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 "overseas promotions in the force" are they going to send them to Dubai? That's "overseas"... but just who will "oversee" that move?It was announced yesterday that Thailand is about to start exporting pork to Russia (Mcot). This fits in very nicely with the planned dissolution of RTP, and any redundancies that might arise, if there are no vacancies in the office of inactive posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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