Myanmar says workers innocent of murdering Britons on Koh Tao

[AleG]

MAT representative Kyaw Thaung reconfirmed the testimony the legal team had been told. “After finishing the beer and cigarettes, Maung Maung said he told his two friends he was leaving, but they insisted on having more to drink, so he went back to the room and got an extra bottle of alcohol and took it to them. That was all around 1am,” he said.

“Maung Maung said he then went to see his girlfriend and did not return until 5am.”

According to Kyaw Thaung: “Maung Maung said he woke them up and asked them, ‘Where is the guitar?’ at which point one of the pair indicated it was in AC Bar [where the British couple, Hannah Witheridge and David Miller, had been drinking with friends the night before]. Maung Maung said he then went to AC Bar to look for the guitar and his sandals, ‘because they were expensive – 350 baht’, he said.

(DVB)

The above is not much help, sorry. Seems it was after five and sometime before the bodies were found that Maung went to get guitar.

The question that's come into my head now after re reading reports is why was the guitar at the AC bar?

It sounds as if the guitar must have belonged to Maung Maung (hence his concern about going back to get it). If there was only one guitar, which we are led to believe, then he must have left it with the other two and one of these other two must have taken it to the AC bar before they went home to bed. Why would they do this? Why not take it home with them. Or alternatively someone else took the guitar off them and left it at the bar. If so, why would someone do this?

I don't think Maung Maung is guilty but I do think he was possibly a witness to the crime or to someone involved with the crime.

If one of the men took the guitar back to the bar then someone would have seen them. And the men may have seen things happening that made them want to get home and hide under their bed covers.

Funny that, that at the trial they claimed they were too drunk to remember anything, but back then they remembered were they left the guitar.

[catsanddogs]

i bet the cctv footage from AC Bar would make very interesting viewing(probably deleted already now anyway),its a surprise it was not released by the owner if B2 were actually really guilty!!!

i also did wonder if the boys were playing guitar on the beach then supposedly murdered 2 strangers then why/how did the guitar end up back at the bar,they took it back after doing 2 vicious grizzly murders then went to bed and slept like babies ,really doesnt seem possible does it!!

The fact that the RTP, the owners of AC bar and all the other businesses that undoubtedly also have CCTV refuse to release footage from the morning of the murders is enough to convince me that this is indeed one massive cover up. What other possible reason could there be for not getting it out there and proving to the world that the B2 are guilty? No doubt the RPT are well p****d off that the clip of running man made it out to the media.

And the couple that were caught on CCTV which the blind police reported as being Hannah and David (which even my dog could see was not them) -

Who are they?

Why haven't they come out and spoken to clear themselves?

Put yourself in their place. You make it in every newspaper and on TV stations worldwide. You're proven to be wandering around at a time when two people have been butchered to death a stones throw away from where you were.

You'd come out wouldn't you? You'd speak to the press and tell your story, whatever it might be. Well you would if you had nothing to hide. Or you hadn't been threatened to shut up or else.

These two are key for me in this unbelievable saga.

RTP have said that they have video footage of a woman the morning of the murders but that they couldn't say whether it could be a witness or Hannah herself. Don't ask me to source it please as have done this previously. RTP also said at beginning of investigation they believed a woman may be involved in the murders. Maybe this was when they were scouring all the CCTV trying to work out who would be the most credible people for a frame up.

[greenchair]

i bet the cctv footage from AC Bar would make very interesting viewing(probably deleted already now anyway),its a surprise it was not released by the owner if B2 were actually really guilty!!!

i also did wonder if the boys were playing guitar on the beach then supposedly murdered 2 strangers then why/how did the guitar end up back at the bar,they took it back after doing 2 vicious grizzly murders then went to bed and slept like babies ,really doesnt seem possible does it!!

The fact that the RTP, the owners of AC bar and all the other businesses that undoubtedly also have CCTV refuse to release footage from the morning of the murders is enough to convince me that this is indeed one massive cover up. What other possible reason could there be for not getting it out there and proving to the world that the B2 are guilty? No doubt the RPT are well p****d off that the clip of running man made it out to the media.

And the couple that were caught on CCTV which the blind police reported as being Hannah and David (which even my dog could see was not them) -

Who are they?

Why haven't they come out and spoken to clear themselves?

Put yourself in their place. You make it in every newspaper and on TV stations worldwide. You're proven to be wandering around at a time when two people have been butchered to death a stones throw away from where you were.

You'd come out wouldn't you? You'd speak to the press and tell your story, whatever it might be. Well you would if you had nothing to hide. Or you hadn't been threatened to shut up or else.

These two are key for me in this unbelievable saga.

RTP have said that they have video footage of a woman the morning of the murders but that they couldn't say whether it could be a witness or Hannah herself. Don't ask me to source it please as have done this previously. RTP also said at beginning of investigation they believed a woman may be involved in the murders. Maybe this was when they were scouring all the CCTV trying to work out who would be the most credible people for a frame up. not them.jpg

That's right. First it was a woman. Then it was a ladyboy. One of the ciggies had lipstick on it. Hannah didn't wear lipstick. At first they said hannah shared a ciggy with her attackers. That couple was walking 3 seconds ahead of running man. Walking very fast.

At 4:46 I think. At 4:46-6:00. There were 4 confirmed people out on the streets. Running man, Muang, and the foreigner with thai girl.

[BritTim]

The fact that the RTP, the owners of AC bar and all the other businesses that undoubtedly also have CCTV refuse to release footage from the morning of the murders is enough to convince me that this is indeed one massive cover up. What other possible reason could there be for not getting it out there and proving to the world that the B2 are guilty? No doubt the RPT are well p****d off that the clip of running man made it out to the media.

And the couple that were caught on CCTV which the blind police reported as being Hannah and David (which even my dog could see was not them) -

Who are they?

Why haven't they come out and spoken to clear themselves?

Put yourself in their place. You make it in every newspaper and on TV stations worldwide. You're proven to be wandering around at a time when two people have been butchered to death a stones throw away from where you were.

You'd come out wouldn't you? You'd speak to the press and tell your story, whatever it might be. Well you would if you had nothing to hide. Or you hadn't been threatened to shut up or else.

These two are key for me in this unbelievable saga.

RTP have said that they have video footage of a woman the morning of the murders but that they couldn't say whether it could be a witness or Hannah herself. Don't ask me to source it please as have done this previously. RTP also said at beginning of investigation they believed a woman may be involved in the murders. Maybe this was when they were scouring all the CCTV trying to work out who would be the most credible people for a frame up. not them.jpg

And the couple that were caught on CCTV which the blind police reported as being Hannah and David (which even my dog could see was not them)

Before we dismiss the Hannah and David left together hypothesis altogether, let's make sure of something. When did police first say that they had CCTV footage showing Hannah and David leaving AC Bar together? When was this CCTV still released to the public? We are probably just seeing incompetence here, but perhaps police decided there was something in the CCTV footage showing Hannah and David that could not be made public, and they released this ridiculous still as misinformation.

[catsanddogs]

i bet the cctv footage from AC Bar would make very interesting viewing(probably deleted already now anyway),its a surprise it was not released by the owner if B2 were actually really guilty!!!

i also did wonder if the boys were playing guitar on the beach then supposedly murdered 2 strangers then why/how did the guitar end up back at the bar,they took it back after doing 2 vicious grizzly murders then went to bed and slept like babies ,really doesnt seem possible does it!!

The fact that the RTP, the owners of AC bar and all the other businesses that undoubtedly also have CCTV refuse to release footage from the morning of the murders is enough to convince me that this is indeed one massive cover up. What other possible reason could there be for not getting it out there and proving to the world that the B2 are guilty? No doubt the RPT are well p****d off that the clip of running man made it out to the media.

And the couple that were caught on CCTV which the blind police reported as being Hannah and David (which even my dog could see was not them) -

Who are they?

Why haven't they come out and spoken to clear themselves?

Put yourself in their place. You make it in every newspaper and on TV stations worldwide. You're proven to be wandering around at a time when two people have been butchered to death a stones throw away from where you were.

You'd come out wouldn't you? You'd speak to the press and tell your story, whatever it might be. Well you would if you had nothing to hide. Or you hadn't been threatened to shut up or else.

These two are key for me in this unbelievable saga.

RTP have said that they have video footage of a woman the morning of the murders but that they couldn't say whether it could be a witness or Hannah herself. Don't ask me to source it please as have done this previously. RTP also said at beginning of investigation they believed a woman may be involved in the murders. Maybe this was when they were scouring all the CCTV trying to work out who would be the most credible people for a frame up. not them.jpg

That's right. First it was a woman. Then it was a ladyboy. One of the ciggies had lipstick on it. Hannah didn't wear lipstick. At first they said hannah shared a ciggy with her attackers. That couple was walking 3 seconds ahead of running man. Walking very fast.

At 4:46 I think. At 4:46-6:00. There were 4 confirmed people out on the streets. Running man, Muang, and the foreigner with thai girl.

5 if you count what looked like an old man sitting outside a shop front that was in an image of running man.

[boomerangutang]

How does that alley in front of the convenience shop (with CCTV footage) relate to the beach? It would help if there were a diagram. If it's a 7-11, they're open all night. At least 2 people work at each 7-11. Did any workers hear or see anything unusual that morning? A diagram would show scene of crime, guest house overlooking crime scene, 7-11, and the now-famous alley running in front of it where the CCTV is. A diagram would also show AC bar and its sister bar (I can't recall its name).

A 2nd, larger scale diagram, could show same, plus include location of the Burmese dwelling, guest houses for victims, Sean, and dwellings for those who should be prime suspects (Mon, Nomsod, Stingray Man, Mon's cop friend). It would give some of us a better perspective of where things are in relation to each other.

It might also be helpful to know where all the suspects usually do laundry - as whomever did the crime almost certainly had blood on clothing/shoes. If clothes weren't laundered, they could have been burned or buried. Any indications of that? Was Mon's dwelling looked at closely, right after the crime? Very doubtful. Is there a washing machine or utility sink at the AC bar? All sorts of avenues which real detectives would have pursued. Yet, from the get-go, the crime was dealt with by cops who, as far as we know, have no professional training in crime investigation.

[greenchair]

We could all rondevue down at kt next week. Take measurements of the distance. These are the distances we will collect.

B2 guitar playing to their room.

Muang room to girlfriend.

Mon room to beach.

Beach to foreigner hotel.

Csi did show a map with some of the locations of the bars and Hannah hotel. But I am interested in the location of rooms of all the suspects.

Let's start an accommodation line ?

Mon stays at ?

Cop stays at ?

Chris cooper stays at ?

Tom stays at ?

Sean stays at ?

Muang stays at ?

Muang girl stays at ?

B2 stay at ?

Foreigner stays at ?

Old man stays at ?

Plus walking distance time from beach. "Fast walking"?

[greenchair]

I am looking for the article that police explain why mon was in the video. Must be just after 24th Sep, as that is when police confirm it was Mon. After that they told us explanation to relax people anger of why he was not arrested.

[loonodingle]

We could all rondevue down at kt next week. Take measurements of the distance. These are the distances we will collect.

B2 guitar playing to their room.

Muang room to girlfriend.

Mon room to beach.

Beach to foreigner hotel.

Csi did show a map with some of the locations of the bars and Hannah hotel. But I am interested in the location of rooms of all the suspects.

Let's start an accommodation line ?

Mon stays at ?

Cop stays at ?

Chris cooper stays at ?

Tom stays at ?

Sean stays at ?

Muang stays at ?

Muang girl stays at ?

B2 stay at ?

Foreigner stays at ?

Old man stays at ?

Plus walking distance time from beach. "Fast walking"?

LOL .......... With our ThaiVisa T Shirts on.....

I picked up the Number 9 Footballer who shook Davids hand is dead as well on Koh Tao. Not sure if true. Someone mentioned it in a conversation with CSI.

[loonodingle]

MAT representative Kyaw Thaung reconfirmed the testimony the legal team had been told. “After finishing the beer and cigarettes, Maung Maung said he told his two friends he was leaving, but they insisted on having more to drink, so he went back to the room and got an extra bottle of alcohol and took it to them. That was all around 1am,” he said.

“Maung Maung said he then went to see his girlfriend and did not return until 5am.”

According to Kyaw Thaung: “Maung Maung said he woke them up and asked them, ‘Where is the guitar?’ at which point one of the pair indicated it was in AC Bar [where the British couple, Hannah Witheridge and David Miller, had been drinking with friends the night before]. Maung Maung said he then went to AC Bar to look for the guitar and his sandals, ‘because they were expensive – 350 baht’, he said.

(DVB)

The above is not much help, sorry. Seems it was after five and sometime before the bodies were found that Maung went to get guitar.

The question that's come into my head now after re reading reports is why was the guitar at the AC bar?

It sounds as if the guitar must have belonged to Maung Maung (hence his concern about going back to get it). If there was only one guitar, which we are led to believe, then he must have left it with the other two and one of these other two must have taken it to the AC bar before they went home to bed. Why would they do this? Why not take it home with them. Or alternatively someone else took the guitar off them and left it at the bar. If so, why would someone do this?

I don't think Maung Maung is guilty but I do think he was possibly a witness to the crime or to someone involved with the crime.

If one of the men took the guitar back to the bar then someone would have seen them. And the men may have seen things happening that made them want to get home and hide under their bed covers.

Funny that, that at the trial they claimed they were too drunk to remember anything, but back then they remembered were they left the guitar.

That has been the one thing that has given me doubt.............. That exact sentence.............. We where to drunk to remember......... That's not a good thing to say.

[greenchair]

MAT representative Kyaw Thaung reconfirmed the testimony the legal team had been told. After finishing the beer and cigarettes, Maung Maung said he told his two friends he was leaving, but they insisted on having more to drink, so he went back to the room and got an extra bottle of alcohol and took it to them. That was all around 1am, he said.

Maung Maung said he then went to see his girlfriend and did not return until 5am.

According to Kyaw Thaung: Maung Maung said he woke them up and asked them, Where is the guitar? at which point one of the pair indicated it was in AC Bar [where the British couple, Hannah Witheridge and David Miller, had been drinking with friends the night before]. Maung Maung said he then went to AC Bar to look for the guitar and his sandals, because they were expensive 350 baht, he said.

(DVB)

The above is not much help, sorry. Seems it was after five and sometime before the bodies were found that Maung went to get guitar.

The question that's come into my head now after re reading reports is why was the guitar at the AC bar?

It sounds as if the guitar must have belonged to Maung Maung (hence his concern about going back to get it). If there was only one guitar, which we are led to believe, then he must have left it with the other two and one of these other two must have taken it to the AC bar before they went home to bed. Why would they do this? Why not take it home with them. Or alternatively someone else took the guitar off them and left it at the bar. If so, why would someone do this?

I don't think Maung Maung is guilty but I do think he was possibly a witness to the crime or to someone involved with the crime.

If one of the men took the guitar back to the bar then someone would have seen them. And the men may have seen things happening that made them want to get home and hide under their bed covers.

Funny that, that at the trial they claimed they were too drunk to remember anything, but back then they remembered were they left the guitar.

That has been the one thing that has given me doubt.............. That exact sentence.............. We where to drunk to remember......... That's not a good thing to say.

Anybody whose name has come up since sep 15 and especially those in cctv is a suspect. Also all those who have told 2 or 3 conflicting stories is a suspect. To blatantly say b2 are guilty,discounting all other evidence is foolish and biased. The only way to know if the B2 or indeed other people are guilty is to support the defense trial whether you believe them guilty or not. It is the mechanism that we can all use to force the hand of truth.

[greenchair]

I found a picture of the 3 first Burmese that were tested and cleared. It wasn't Wei and Zaw and Muang.

[greenchair]

I am wondering when is David inquest? ?

[BritTim]

I found a picture of the 3 first Burmese that were tested and cleared. It wasn't Wei and Zaw and Muang.

Interesting. Can you provide a source please.

[greenchair]

I found a picture of the 3 first Burmese that were tested and cleared. It wasn't Wei and Zaw and Muang.

Interesting. Can you provide a source please.

I can't post pictures. But it says mcot 16/9/14

They were at suratani. They checked them. Later they said the dna did not match. Neither from Hannah or the cigarettes. I don't know about the line up that you see Zaw. But the ones that were cleared are not Wei /Zaw sadly

[BritTim]

I found a picture of the 3 first Burmese that were tested and cleared. It wasn't Wei and Zaw and Muang.

Interesting. Can you provide a source please.

I can't post pictures. But it says mcot 16/9/14

They were at suratani. They checked them. Later they said the dna did not match. Neither from Hannah or the cigarettes. I don't know about the line up that you see Zaw. But the ones that were cleared are not Wei /Zaw sadly

Pity you cannot reveal where the picture came from.

At least 30 people, mostly Burmese, were tested in the first couple of days, so we cannot be sure the picture means much, even if it can be validated. It might, however, be of use to the defense. Would be interesting to know how they were interrogated.

[Eirene]

In translation can 5:40 be interpreted as 5:00? In this interview Maung Maung apparentely states he went back to the room at 5:40.

https://soundcloud.com/burmeserfa/mmyi9c38qmek I posted a translation in the thread regarding the British Investigators becoming involved in the investigation. There is no mention of going to the bar to retrieve the guitar or returning to bring them more beer.

https://www.dvb.no/news/third-burmese-said-he-did-not-witness-murder-burma-myanmar/44856

Forty minutes is quite a discrepancy. There are so many errors in the media's translations that it is hard to determine what the truth is.

[greenchair]

I found a picture of the 3 first Burmese that were tested and cleared. It wasn't Wei and Zaw and Muang.

Interesting. Can you provide a source please.

I can't post pictures. But it says mcot 16/9/14

They were at suratani. They checked them. Later they said the dna did not match. Neither from Hannah or the cigarettes. I don't know about the line up that you see Zaw. But the ones that were cleared are not Wei /Zaw sadly

Pity you cannot reveal where the picture came from.

At least 30 people, mostly Burmese, were tested in the first couple of days, so we cannot be sure the picture means much, even if it can be validated. It might, however, be of use to the defense. Would be interesting to know how they were interrogated.

It does. It says mcot news.

The date was 16th of September. That when they caught. A later paper say they not match DNA. But the 3 with pic is mcot. I will learn how to post pic soon.

[BritTim]

The date was 16th of September. That when they caught. A later paper say they not match DNA. But the 3 with pic is mcot. I will learn how to post pic soon.

OK, I guess you were referring to this report:

http://www.mcot.net/site/content?id=5417c9b0be04704b4f8b4623#.VKoSAfmUdco

Presumably, the police could not use them as they had unbreakable alibis.

They always wanted three suspects, preferably large ones, as it would make their success in subduing David and Hannah more believable. In the end, they ran out of patience (under pressure from above) and settled for two rather small ones.

Edited January 5, 2015 by BritTim

[Willy Eckerslike]

The date was 16th of September. That when they caught. A later paper say they not match DNA. But the 3 with pic is mcot. I will learn how to post pic soon.

OK, I guess you were referring to this report:

http://www.mcot.net/site/content?id=5417c9b0be04704b4f8b4623#.VKoSAfmUdco

Presumably, the police could not use them as they had unbreakable alibis.

They always wanted three suspects, preferably large ones, as it would make their success in subduing David and Hannah more believable. In the end, they ran out of patience (under pressure from above) and settled for two rather small ones.

I have just read the above article dated 16th Sept and note;

Quote,

"The police confiscated four mobile phones from the suspects, one of which was a broken iPhone, and will examine them to determine if any of the phones belonged to the murdered victims".

Is this the broken iPhone that was supposedly found outside the B2s accomodation some time later?????

[BritTim]

The date was 16th of September. That when they caught. A later paper say they not match DNA. But the 3 with pic is mcot. I will learn how to post pic soon.

OK, I guess you were referring to this report:

http://www.mcot.net/site/content?id=5417c9b0be04704b4f8b4623#.VKoSAfmUdco

Presumably, the police could not use them as they had unbreakable alibis.

They always wanted three suspects, preferably large ones, as it would make their success in subduing David and Hannah more believable. In the end, they ran out of patience (under pressure from above) and settled for two rather small ones.

I have just read the above article dated 16th Sept and note;

Quote,

"The police confiscated four mobile phones from the suspects, one of which was a broken iPhone, and will examine them to determine if any of the phones belonged to the murdered victims".

Is this the broken iPhone that was supposedly found outside the B2s accomodation some time later?????

Is this the broken iPhone that was supposedly found outside the B2s accomodation some time later?????

Anything is possible, but surely the budget for the cover up would have extended to acquiring a suitable phone should one have been needed as "evidence". No need for the police to go asking for unnecessary trouble.

[greenchair]

The date was 16th of September. That when they caught. A later paper say they not match DNA. But the 3 with pic is mcot. I will learn how to post pic soon.

OK, I guess you were referring to this report:

http://www.mcot.net/site/content?id=5417c9b0be04704b4f8b4623#.VKoSAfmUdco

Presumably, the police could not use them as they had unbreakable alibis.

They always wanted three suspects, preferably large ones, as it would make their success in subduing David and Hannah more believable. In the end, they ran out of patience (under pressure from above) and settled for two rather small ones.

I have just read the above article dated 16th Sept and note;

Quote,

"The police confiscated four mobile phones from the suspects, one of which was a broken iPhone, and will examine them to determine if any of the phones belonged to the murdered victims".

Is this the broken iPhone that was supposedly found outside the B2s accomodation some time later?????

Could well be the phone. But can only guess

[greenchair]

Are they the same person?

No,how many?

[Eirene]

Now that you have them side by side...perhaps not. The one in the dark clothes has shorter hair with more ear showing. What is with the one with the phone? Was that someones photoshop job of the runner?

[greenchair]

I think it is 3 different people. Don't know about the phone.

[Eirene]

Thanks...so there are three questionable people wandering around late at night. I had better head off to sleep...it's four in the morning here and obviously I am starting to see things that aren't there. Nighty Night!!

Edited January 10, 2015 by Eirene

[greenchair]

Are they the same?

[boomerangutang]

Are they the same? post-221615-0-07103400-1420580913 (1).jpgA1right.jpg

looks same to me. The elbow-length sleeves on the t-shirt (not a common cut) and knee-length shorts match. The haircut matches as well as the white pic on the black t-shirt.

Edited January 10, 2015 by boomerangutang

[greenchair]

Are they the same? post-221615-0-07103400-1420580913 (1).jpgA1right.jpg

looks same to me. The elbow-length sleeves on the t-shirt (not a common cut) and knee-length shorts match. The haircut matches as well as the white pic on the black t-shirt.

I am really comparing white running man, black running man and the long sleeved guy. I am saying are they 3 people?

[greenchair]

Is this the same guy in each photo?

Who is he??