knutisan Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Twenty-one people have reportedly been arrested in connection with the foiled plot, all of them British Muslims. Why cant Britain just put its foot down and say no to anti British British???? If there were people in Thailand who openly hated Thailand and caused damage to Thailand etc the Thais would have no problems giving them the boot. How ridiculous is it that the British have absolutely no power to do the same???? If you don't like the place your living - get out!!! We are becoming the powerless in our own country. but more abuse of power inother part,s of the world So basically, you're advocating the rescinding of the nationality of natural born citizens? I suppose you support the Thai government not giving citizenship to 4th and 5th generation Thai-born hilltribespeople? Perhaps you'd also like to see all Scots. Welsh and Irish repatriated OUT of England? The UK Government does have laws they can enact, but unlike some countries the UK operates under the premise of innocent until proven guilty, and demands a burden of proof be laid before the judiciary. Gaz i think if you read his post correctly he states only that if you dont like the place you can leave ? dont think he meant to kick out all non white or non born brits. but i could be wrong so what does the author really mean here ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Twenty-one people have reportedly been arrested in connection with the foiled plot, all of them British Muslims. Why cant Britain just put its foot down and say no to anti British British???? If there were people in Thailand who openly hated Thailand and caused damage to Thailand etc the Thais would have no problems giving them the boot. How ridiculous is it that the British have absolutely no power to do the same???? If you don't like the place your living - get out!!! We are becoming the powerless in our own country. top bit of thinking there my man and how hard is that to work out ? if they dont like the place, im with you and say get the frig out of here. Thailand I think has it about right in many ways. Criticism is accepted [just look at TV!] but open denunciation of the State and all it stands for is not and should not in my opinion be tolerated.If the suspects in this case are found guilty, then what? 7 or 8 years in Prison? Out in 4 or 5 to start plotting again? In Thailand I doubt if the CONVICTED suspects would see the light of day again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knutisan Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Twenty-one people have reportedly been arrested in connection with the foiled plot, all of them British Muslims. Why cant Britain just put its foot down and say no to anti British British???? If there were people in Thailand who openly hated Thailand and caused damage to Thailand etc the Thais would have no problems giving them the boot. How ridiculous is it that the British have absolutely no power to do the same???? If you don't like the place your living - get out!!! We are becoming the powerless in our own country. top bit of thinking there my man and how hard is that to work out ? if they dont like the place, im with you and say get the frig out of here. Thailand I think has it about right in many ways. Criticism is accepted [just look at TV!] but open denunciation of the State and all it stands for is not and should not in my opinion be tolerated.If the suspects in this case are found guilty, then what? 7 or 8 years in Prison? Out in 4 or 5 to start plotting again? In Thailand I doubt if the CONVICTED suspects would see the light of day again. That,s the free world In usa !mr Bush say that all the time !!i wonder what that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry57 Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Twenty-one people have reportedly been arrested in connection with the foiled plot, all of them British Muslims. Why cant Britain just put its foot down and say no to anti British British???? If there were people in Thailand who openly hated Thailand and caused damage to Thailand etc the Thais would have no problems giving them the boot. How ridiculous is it that the British have absolutely no power to do the same???? If you don't like the place your living - get out!!! We are becoming the powerless in our own country. Some images of friendly,British muslims exercising their right to protest in London. Aren't they nice? Should they be deported? They hate all infidels and non believers. HATE! Slightly scary. If farangs threatened Buddhists in Thailand like this they would all be down in jail or on the next plane out of here. At least that's my guess. cricky's mate, that is truely scary stuff isn't it. how can the goverment let this rubbish go on as there's got to be a law raised conserning the above behaviour. like instant deportation would be the 1'st one that springs to mind. im from aussie and a professional firefighter. we are just waiting mate as we know its coming to us as they got us in bali. where just hoping that it doesn't so wish us guys luck will you. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Thailand I think has it about right in many ways. Criticism is accepted [just look at TV!] but open denunciation of the State and all it stands for is not and should not in my opinion be tolerated.If the suspects in this case are found guilty, then what? 7 or 8 years in Prison? Out in 4 or 5 to start plotting again? In Thailand I doubt if the CONVICTED suspects would see the light of day again. That,s the free world In usa !mr Bush say that all the time !!i wonder what that is. Sorry, I dont get your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter48 Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Send the miserable apologist in-denial sceptics to Iran, old Iraq, old Afganistan, or Burma or China and let them see what a 'non-democracy' is like. We may not like Tony Blair's closeness to Bush or Israel's aggression but in all three places you can say or print or demonstrate your democratic freedom of speech and work and vote for parties that will change things. If you read anything about extreme fundamentalist Islam you know they abhor democracy as it obstructs their fundamentalist political/religious aims of subjugating populations into their chosen fanatical way of life. By the way they shoot teachers and college students too, less you forget Terrorism is the sudden violent death of innocent men, women and kids as they go about their own humble often innocent lives and in this case it would have been over three thousand world citizens during this key western holiday week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayakiawe Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 100% bullshlt story This is a total distraction to make gullible people fearful and forget the real terrorist are Bush and Co. He and Co are the most dangerous men in the world absolutely. 9/11 was totally made up story too! Look at the fact my friends. Most of the Arab guys on those planes are not dead now and have normal job back in the Middle East right now. But somehow they have perfect unblemished passports from them supposedly they found after those building fell down! No huge jet even hit the Pentagon. It was a US military devise used to do that destruction. An airliner would have left a huge wide hole in the building. The size whole in the side of the building was tiny compared to a huge commercial jet liner. Hey it just doesn’t add up and there is a Gov conspiracy 100% behind all this I am sorry to report. That story was eaten up hook line and sinker by the gullible masses... Study the fact and you will see this is all BS. There are excellent VDOs on the internet that explain a lot of it now. But not many people want to hear the truth let me tell you all about it! Tomorrow the USA in Wash DC is having a huge mass demonstration anti war/ anti Bush. This made up story is to try and take the headlines away from that as there will be a big turn out and the numbers will show the USA people mostly hate Bush more than you will ever know now… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levent Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 As to your second question, it is quite clear that these lunatics live amongst us and YES they are all potetntial terrorists. We have no way of telling the good from bad Muslims. I lost a good friend to a terrorist bomb and I guess I have just had enough of being politically correct. Fight fire with fire. Screw 'em.Its only a matter of time b4 a bomb detonates here in Bangkok. I wonder how you will feel then? Sorry,just venting steam again....I will be ok in a few days. You have all the right to vent your anger, and believe me, I know how you feel. I was living in Spain when the Madrid bombings on March 11, 2004 occurred and I also lost two friends. On September 11, 2001 I was working for an airline in the Netherlands and my company went down partially because of the aftermath of these attacks. But still that doesn't mean you should regard every muslim as a potential threat. I simply can't agree with that. But then again, that's my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayakiawe Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Former Bush Team Member Says WTC Collapse Likely A Controlled Demolition And 'In Posted on Sunday, June 12 @ 12:18:45 EDT by drew Highly recognized former chief economist in Labor Department now doubts official 9/11 story, claiming suspicious facts and evidence cover-up indicate government foul play and possible criminal implications. June 12, 2005 By Greg Szymanski A former chief economist in the Labor Department during President Bush's first term now believes the official story about the collapse of the WTC is 'bogus,' saying it is more likely that a controlled demolition destroyed the Twin Towers and adjacent Building No. 7. "If demolition destroyed three steel skyscrapers at the World Trade Center on 9/11, then the case for an 'inside job' and a government attack on America would be compelling," said Morgan Reynolds, Ph.D, a former member of the Bush team who also served as director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis headquartered in Dallas, TX. Reynolds, now a professor emeritus at Texas A&M University, also believes it's 'next to impossible' that 19 Arab Terrorists alone outfoxed the mighty U.S. military, adding the scientific conclusions about the WTC collapse may hold the key to the entire mysterious plot behind 9/11. "It is hard to exaggerate the importance of a scientific debate over the cause(s) of the collapse of the twin towers and building 7," said Reynolds this week from his offices at Texas A&M. "If the official wisdom on the collapses is wrong, as I believe it is, then policy based on such erroneous engineering analysis is not likely to be correct either. The government's collapse theory is highly vulnerable on its own terms. Only professional demolition appears to account for the full range of facts associated with the collapse of the three buildings. "More importantly, momentous political and social consequences would follow if impartial observers concluded that professionals imploded the WTC. Meanwhile, the job of scientists, engineers and impartial researchers everywhere is to get the scientific and engineering analysis of 9/11 right." However, Reynolds said "getting it right in today's security state' remains challenging because he claims explosives and structural experts have been intimidated in their analyses of the collapses of 9/11. From the beginning, the Bush administration claimed that burning jet fuel caused the collapse of the towers. Although many independent investigators have disagreed, they have been hard pressed to disprove the government theory since most of the evidence was removed by FEMA prior to independent investigation. Critics claim the Bush administration has tried to cover-up the evidence and the recent 9/11 Commission has failed to address the major evidence contradicting the official version of 9/11. Some facts demonstrating the flaws in the government jet fuel theory include: -- Photos showing people walking around in the hole in the North Tower where 10,000 gallons of jet fuel supposedly was burning.. --When the South Tower was hit, most of the North Tower's flames had already vanished, burning for only 16 minutes, making it relatively easy to contain and control without a total collapse. --The fire did not grow over time, probably because it quickly ran out of fuel and was suffocating, indicating without added explosive devices the firs could have been easily controlled. --FDNY fire fighters still remain under a tight government gag order to not discuss the explosions they heard, felt and saw. FAA personnel are also under a similar 9/11 gag order. --Even the flawed 9/11 Commission Report acknowledges that "none of the [fire] chiefs present believed that a total collapse of either tower was possible." -- Fire had never before caused steel-frame buildings to collapse except for the three buildings on 9/11, nor has fire collapsed any steel high rise since 9/11. -- The fires, especially in the South Tower and WTC-7, were relatively small. -- WTC-7 was unharmed by an airplane and had only minor fires on the seventh and twelfth floors of this 47-story steel building yet it collapsed in less than 10 seconds. -- WTC-5 and WTC-6 had raging fires but did not collapse despite much thinner steel beams. -- In a PBS documentary, Larry Silverstein, the WTC leaseholder, told the fire department commander on 9/11 about WTC-7 that. "may be the smartest thing to do is pull it," slang for demolish it. -- It's difficult if not impossible for hydrocarbon fires like those fed by jet fuel (kerosene) to raise the temperature of steel close to melting. Despite the numerous holes in the government story, the Bush administration has brushed aside or basically ignored any and all critics. Mainstream experts, speaking for the administration, offer a theory essentially arguing that an airplane impact weakened each structure and an intense fire thermally weakened structural components, causing buckling failures while allowing the upper floors to pancake onto the floors below. One who supports the official account is Thomas Eager, professor of materials engineering and engineering systems at MIT. He argues that the collapse occurred by the extreme heat from the fires, causing the loss of loading-bearing capacity on the structural frame. Eagar points out the steel in the towers could have collapsed only if heated to the point where it "lost 80 percent of its strength," or around 1,300 degrees Fahrenheit. Critics claim his theory is flawed since the fires did not appear to be intense and widespread enough to reach such high temperatures. Other experts supporting the official story claim the impact of the airplanes, not the heat, weakened the entire structural system of the towers, but critics contend the beams on floors 94-98 did not appear severely weakened, much less the entire structural system. Further complicating the matter, hard evidence to fully substantiate either theory since evidence is lacking due to FEMA's quick removal of the structural steel before it could be analyzed. Even though the criminal code requires that crime scene evidence be kept for forensic analysis, FEMA had it destroyed or shipped overseas before a serious investigation could take place. And even more doubt is cast over why FEMA acted so swiftly since coincidentally officials had arrived the day before the 9/11 attacks at New York's Pier 29 to conduct a war game exercise, named "Tripod II." Besides FEMA's quick removal of the debris, authorities considered the steel quite valuable as New York City officials had every debris truck tracked on GPS and even fired one truck driver who took an unauthorized lunch break. In a detailed analysis just released supporting the controlled demolition theory, Reynolds presents a compelling case. "First, no steel-framed skyscraper, even engulfed in flames hour after hour, had ever collapsed before. Suddenly, three stunning collapses occur within a few city blocks on the same day, two allegedly hit by aircraft, the third not," said Reynolds. "These extraordinary collapses after short-duration minor fires made it all the more important to preserve the evidence, mostly steel girders, to study what had happened. "On fire intensity, consider this benchmark: A 1991 FEMA report on Philadelphia's Meridian Plaza fire said that the fire was so energetic that 'beams and girders sagged and twisted, but despite this extraordinary exposure, the columns continued to support their loads without obvious damage.' Such an intense fire with consequent sagging and twisting steel beams bears no resemblance to what we observed at the WTC." After considering both sides of the 9/11 debate and after thoroughly sifting through all the available material, Reynolds concludes the government story regarding all four plane crashes on 9/11 remains highly suspect. "In fact, the government has failed to produce significant wreckage from any of the four alleged airliners that fateful day. The familiar photo of the Flight 93 crash site in Pennsylvania shows no fuselage, engine or anything recognizable as a plane, just a smoking hole in the ground," said Reynolds. "Photographers reportedly were not allowed near the hole. Neither the FBI nor the National Transportation Safety Board have investigated or produced any report on the alleged airliner crashes." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britmaveric Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 now the conspiracy theorists are posting rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayakiawe Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 OK finally!!!! one favor PLEASE watch this vdo and then tell me what you think. Don't tell me I am crazy till you see this VDO and get back to me please! 911 Loose Change 2nd (shocking to say the least!) go to..... takes a while to down load with slow connection here it is for free no less! >>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayakiawe Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Rubbish? watch the VDO I just posted the link to and after viewing the whole thing then tell me its rubbish... If u still think so I will stop sending in posts for 1 month how is that for a bet? but if its not rubbish..... I just want you tell others that what I wrote was NOT rubbish and you take it back...fair or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britmaveric Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Rubbish? watch the VDO I just posted the link to and after viewing the whole thing then tell me its rubbish...If u still think so I will stop sending in posts for 1 month how is that for a bet? but if its not rubbish..... I just want you tell others that what I wrote was NOT rubbish and you take it back...fair or not? http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meemiathai Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 OK finally!!!!one favor PLEASE watch this vdo and then tell me what you think. Don't tell me I am crazy till you see this VDO and get back to me please! 911 Loose Change 2nd (shocking to say the least!) go to..... takes a while to down load with slow connection here it is for free no less! >>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848 It doesn't work but this one is as good. Thank God there are vdos like these that let me know what the real world is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxexile Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 this video is much more to the point http://www.thekidfrombrooklyn.com/video_di...sp?videoid=1301 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayakiawe Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 sorry must have changed see this page and go from there http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=911+Loose+Change+2nd+ I still have the bet running! hey you can be done with me for a whole month if you dont see something worth checking out in this VDO I promise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britmaveric Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 sorry must have changed see this page and go from therehttp://video.google.com/videosearch?q=911+Loose+Change+2nd+ I still have the bet running! hey you can be done with me for a whole month if you dont see something worth checking out in this VDO I promise Saw that ages ago - wasn't impressed then nor now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayakiawe Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 sorry it didnt do anything for you I think we should have a poll lets everyone watch it and tell us what they think? I still say most normal people who can think for themselves will be impressed to say the least So what do you say if most dont like it then i will stop sending post still for a month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbk Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Lets try to get back to the point of the original news report, shall we? Alot of people are interested in how this will affect their travel plans in and out of Thailand. You want to discuss the attempted bombings please do so in this thread. But not here, ok? One thread of this is enough. So please, take your conspiracy theories elsewhere, thanks. I would like to hear first hand from some people who have flown today, either from the UK or US or from Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf5370 Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 I'm not quite sure how having Muslim only airlines/flights would solve the situation. What would it take for a bomber to shave and pretend they are a Christian for the flight. Passports do not have religion in them any more (at least British ones don't). Do we force them to have a pork sandwich? - then we hit veggies and Jews too. If anything, it would lead to a false sense of security and a laxing of security procedures - dangerous stuff! Not too mention the further isolation it would cause and the knock-on affects of that (recruites etc). Only last year (or was it the year before?) we had tanks roling into Heathrow - now we have the extreme security measures - all will pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter48 Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 The intellectual level of discussion here is so utterly poor - when folk deny those massive atrocities of NY, Balli, Madrid and London and so on which killed so many innocent people and make Anti-Bush remarks they show a very weak grasp of politics. Its not a black & white world. Everything against USA or Spain or UK or Australia is not justified because they were trying to remove a tyrant in Iraq or are opposed to their foreign policy The people in the UK are truly appalled and outraged by this plot by extremists and attempts by "old 1960s hippy throwbacks" to try and turn this into an anti USA discussion is pathetic. What these critics cannot do is address for us the aims and politics of extreme versions of Islam & Jihad. What these contributors cannot do is engage in the matter at hand- a plot of '9/11' scale. The UK is in a stage of critical alert as it digests tons of data and intelligence & contributions here are often at the level of 6th form schoolboy drunks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tracer0 Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 So CNN is reporting: "Because the plot involved taking liquid explosives aboard planes in carry-ons, passengers at all U.S. and British airports, and those boarding U.S.-bound flights at other international airports, are banned from taking any liquids onto planes."And then they have the photo of the Security guy dumping a tub of confiscated possibly explosive liquids into a bin in a crowd of people. Explain that shit to me again? That was likely a known not exploding bottle and second, explosives are not likely to be liquid Maybe the have a part in it like some powder which with liquid kind of gets to be a sticky mess. Unlikely that what they tell is the truth especially with undercover agents at work... Whatever, sounds to me that some liquid with to much water in it or some other stuff making it impure and then getting a water withdrawal item could make a nice bomb. Pampers ought to be good for it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul-s Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 I'm not quite sure how having Muslim only airlines/flights would solve the situation. What would it take for a bomber to shave and pretend they are a Christian for the flight. Passports do not have religion in them any more (at least British ones don't) Perhaps we could make the bombers sit at the back 2 rows? If you are worried about the possiblity of Muslim bomber surely the safest people to fly with would be with a Muslim airline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlightRisk Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Quote of the day, from the Muslim community in England where the suspects were sweeped up: "Police still guarded homes in High Wycombe, where the Muslim community expressed outrage that their community and children have been thrust into the international spotlight. "They are considered ordinary British Muslims and they haven't caused any harm to anyone," accountant Mohammed Naeem said of the suspects. "They come from decent families." And I'm the Pope ... - FlightRisk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlightRisk Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 peter48, have to agree with your comments. If plots were allowed to go forward, and the charred and mulitated remains of close to 300 peolpe littered the Atlantic Ocean and continental USA, there would be no platform for the apologists for Jihad and fascsim. People would be outraged, as they should be. Since this plot appears to have been thwarted, the armchair apologists get to have their say with a bunch of vague hand waving. And in a democratic (not Islamo-Fascist) society, they certainly get have right to dissent. FYI, there was an interesting segment in the news with a bomb expert yesterday. He said the ingredients that were being planned for the liquid bombs were lethal and highly effective. As a demo, he used what he called easily obtained low energy liquid explosive components, mixed them into a small bottle and sat it on top of a piece of plate steel, then detontaed it with a simple electronic switch. The violent explosion left a large round hole in the plate metal. So imagine what a real bomb with the planned ingredients would have done when denonated over a wing seat in a 747. - FlightRisk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitrapaap Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 I think its time that Muslims had their own airlines and be restricted from travelling on non-muslim planes. This may sound radical and it probably is BUT I AM SO SICK OF THESE PSYCHO RELIGIOUS BASTARDS creating havoc for the rest of the peaceful population. Better yet, lets help them all find their way to paradise. That seems to be what they desire. Sorry, I am just venting here in an irrational way. I am just angry. I am not a racist, I am just sick of these scumbags trying this stuff and yet the so-called "good" Muslims themselves not even bothering to police their own. No doubt, the (muslim) terrorists would like the idea. At least they would be sure not to blow some of their own. Or do you think they would target muslim flights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asiaworld Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 The intellectual level of discussion here is so utterly poor - when folk deny those massive atrocities of NY, Balli, Madrid and London and so on which killed so many innocent people and make Anti-Bush remarks they show a very weak grasp of politics. Its not a black & white world. Everything against USA or Spain or UK or Australia is not justified because they were trying to remove a tyrant in Iraq or are opposed to their foreign policy funny how fast we forget history,and how it all started. Michael Moore's 'Farengheit 9/11' is a good refresher first Bush the father breeds & feeds mr's Osama & Saddam to fight than US enemies, than conveniently 'forgets' his old buddies .. the rest we remember. Muslims may have lower IQ, but they are good in spontanious revenge, that also makes it silly to try to impose democracy, because you can only guess what they'll choose . Dubya should've been sent 2 manage NY zoo for a start & give them freedom ! than fly in, in a couple of months to shake paws with ( by than already hungry) strong lions & crocodiles lobby the rest of the world would be spared than Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISteve Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 ""Twenty-five sniffing dogs from the army have been deployed at the Bangkok airport since Thursday night, and 50 security officers and handheld scanners have been added," said airport manager Chotisak Aspaviriya." No confidence in the little strappers. The military presence at Don M consists of bored, unarmed teenagers wandering the halls in camo fatigues. My only interaction with them came a couple years back when they wanded me (don't think it was even on because I neglected to remove my keys and change yet) and then they beg for cigarettes. All we can do is listen to the airlines and follow their instructions. They have a vested interest in not having planes fall from the sky as well. Well done by the UK law enforcement. They saved a lot of lives with thier prompt action. ~WISteve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Membrane Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 The intellectual level of discussion here is so utterly poor - when folk deny those massive atrocities of NY, Balli, Madrid and London and so on which killed so many innocent people and make Anti-Bush remarks they show a very weak grasp of politics. Its not a black & white world. Everything against USA or Spain or UK or Australia is not justified because they were trying to remove a tyrant in Iraq or are opposed to their foreign policy The people in the UK are truly appalled and outraged by this plot by extremists and attempts by "old 1960s hippy throwbacks" to try and turn this into an anti USA discussion is pathetic. What these critics cannot do is address for us the aims and politics of extreme versions of Islam & Jihad. What these contributors cannot do is engage in the matter at hand- a plot of '9/11' scale. The UK is in a stage of critical alert as it digests tons of data and intelligence & contributions here are often at the level of 6th form schoolboy drunks. Finally... a rational, well-thought-out post. Thanks Peter48. So many postings here remind me of the ramblings of some dingy, dusty expat sitting at some whole-in-the-wall, Pattaya "bar beer", soused and unshaven, spouting his inside knowledge of world politics and "why Bush is so bad". Knuckleheads like that drive me crazy, I must admit, and they do tend to wind me up a bit! Thanks again Peter48 for posting such a calm and rational observation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter48 Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Thanks Membrane I just thought too many innocents had died too often and this time lets give praise that several hundred or thousand people will still be around next week to enjoy each day of this warm summer. Of course we still have to sort out the Middle East problem and its endless cruelty. I like the Pattaya bar bit and lets be grateful that the sceptics can perch there andd spout their free thoughts without oppression & its secret police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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