Myanmar embassy seeking defence witnesses for Koh Tao accused

[catsanddogs]

Same paper:

"We're confident we have a very high chance of finding the suspects," the senior police officer said.

"I'm not worried [about high public expectations] because I know how much the probe has been progressing. We just have to follow forensic results," he added.

'Just have to follow forensic results' he said. If only it was that simple and straightforward in this case.

I would still like to see a photograph of the Maung Maung with the blonde hair he supposedly had according to the police.

[DennisF]

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Andy Hall just filed this report:

• Just finished meeting with Zaw Lin/Wei Phyo at Koh Samui prison with MWRN Vice President Aung Kyaw this morning. The guys in good health/spirits and happy to see a new and old visitor.
• Despite depositing 2 weeks ago more than enough funds for Zaw Lin/Wei Phyo to buy/assemble bedding for themselves as they said the hard floor in their cell made it difficult to sleep, the guys not purchased any bedding yet.
• Zaw Lin/Wei Phyo said to me that they are confident to be released verysoon so they didn't want to waste the 2000 baht money we deposited.
• Today asked/ordered them to buy again the bedding for their short term comfort anyway as was donated to them and I said it wouldn't be wasted as they could donate to another prisoner when they manage to leave the prison anyway. Will check up on this...
• The guys were both very happy to read messages/letters of encouragement we showed them during the visit and asked me to deposit [messages/letters of encouragement] through the prison for them to read inside in more detail.
• Unfortunately prison authorities now refused today to pass on the letters to the boys as before they always did, citing new orders and the prison staff said they will only accept letters or messages via official mail channels.
• The guys both asked us if they would be released on Friday after the court hearing or very soon as they really want to go home back to Myanmar now and be with their families. We told them the court process will surely take time.

We all (most at least) can agree this is heart-breaking.

We need witnesses to come forward who have direct and relevant information that will lead to the exoneration of these two innocent lads.

It seems that as the Kingdome of Thailand and the world rise both to defend the lads and oppose their harsh treatment by the State, the corrupt who hold their bodies will increase the lads' discomfort in an effort to break their spirits.

This new restriction on emotional support is a signal the nation and the world must rise our collective voices louder, but not harsher, to proclaim this treatment will no longer be tolerated. We will dig in for the long haul until the State releases them to go home... alive!

Please give generously to their defense fund. No one is giving up to save their lives; thank you all for your support. The MWRN Koh Tao case accused fair trial defense fund is where donations are made.

Perhaps they might think it bad luck to buy bedding. As it is acceptance they might be there for a while. Wish they could be bailed.

I can see saw and Wei really need 1 piece of good evidence to show their innocence. 1 picture that shows them going back to their room. 1 person that saw them go back. I just don't believe there is nothing. There must be 1 something.

Just a quickie...

Greenchair: Your support for these 2 suspects is inspiring.

You have taken this to heart and I am sure your efforts will, eventually, be rewarded.

You come across as a really good person. Im sure the B2 would appreciate your efforts and those of a few others who constantly post in their defence without the silly CTs and imagined re-actments that some have.

Thought Id post something positive and deserving to balance the RTP venom. Responding to the 4 in any way means you are biting on their bait.. dont do it, it detracts from the truth and common sense.

[catsanddogs]

DNA evidence can be fabricated and planted at crime scenes, scientists warn

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1207389/DNA-evidence-fabricated-planted-crime-scenes-scientists-warn.html#ixzz3MizvS1Mv

DNA evidence is powerful, but it does have limitations. One limitation is related to misconceptions about what a DNA match really means. Matching DNA from a crime scene to DNA taken from a suspect is not an absolute guarantee of the suspect's guilt.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/genetic/dna-evidence6.htm

"Once you make your DNA profile available in a public database, it is easy for someone to replicate and plant at a crime scene and the police do not yet have the technology needed to deal with this," said Frumkin, a specialist in detecting and decoding non-phenotypic information in DNA.

http://www.onislam.net/english/health-and-science/science/448120.html

This last exert reminds me that the Burmese men had their DNA tested right at the beginning of the investigation. They made their DNA profile available didn't they? One of them even looked like he could have been the running man in the CCTV because he had similar hair to the half naked man. Didn't take the RTP long to get it shaved off though.

[stephen terry]

The video with Sondai talking about the whole affair is really eye opening. A man at his level (past, currrently, whenever) will know how the system in Thailand works inside out. You simply can't get to the position he got without having connections both clean cut and uber crooked.

He specifically pointed out that Sean was to be picked out as the scapegoat but the plan was scuppered when he made the smart move to get journalists to get his side of the story first before the cops did. Probably saved his life. Why else would the 2 guys (mon and the moustachioed copper) follow him into the shop without a reason/.

No reason as to to why they followed him into the shop has ever been put forth by the 2 guys. Sean put his side across but it's clear now that anything he says should be taken with a pinch of salt. But again WHY WERE THEY FOLLOWING HIM in the first place?

Any rational / honest person can see that the story the RTP are peddling simply doesn't add up. Not saying its 100% false but there are way too many inconsistencies in there for it to even merit arresting somebody let alone trying them on 4 different charges in court.

I hope the defence team do some digging about the "safe house" that the B3, not B2 were "intensively interrogated" in prior to their confession. surely its existence in the whole evidence gathering process is enough for the whole dirty stinking case to be thrown out. Lives are on the line here. When is anybody going to do the right thing and stop this trainwreck before more innocent lives are destroyed

"But again WHY WERE THEY FOLLOWING HIM in the first place?"

Maybe because, like many here, they jumped at conclusions and "knew" he was the murderer?

That's quite correct. He is the murderer or knows who is the murderer.

[thailandchilli]

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An excellent case review of a non-death penalty criminal trial (for defamation) using the same defense team as being used for the lads here, that won a first round, is fully presented here. It is a worthwhile read to better understand the Thai court system.

Note carefully as you read the long document: it was not alone skilled defense counsel (Nakhon is also lead defense counsel for the two Kho Tao lads) but a very strong two-judge panel that saw its way to real justice and not just Thai-style justice.

ttp://www.ictur.org/pdf/Plunkett.pdf and http://www.ictur.org/Eng/Plunkett.html

I have no experience or professional capacity to say this but after reading those documents, if this is the same defense team/lawyers representing then B2 then they are in very capable hands and I wish them every success in ensuring this trial is carried out fairly and justly. I hope the judge/s treat this case with the respect it deserves and look at the evidence ie DNA and other from the prosecution with scrutiny and ensure its all verifiable and from a clean source.

The B2 and the defense team need all the help they can get to ensure a fair trial, the world is watching and will not forget if there is another travesty of justice carried out in such a high profile case.

[stephen terry]

It's clear that the B2 have been set up as scapegoats. It is also clear that money has passed hands to shelter those who have committed the crime. I hope they rot in hell.

[AleG]

DNA evidence can be fabricated and planted at crime scenes, scientists warn

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1207389/DNA-evidence-fabricated-planted-crime-scenes-scientists-warn.html#ixzz3MizvS1Mv

DNA evidence is powerful, but it does have limitations. One limitation is related to misconceptions about what a DNA match really means. Matching DNA from a crime scene to DNA taken from a suspect is not an absolute guarantee of the suspect's guilt.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/genetic/dna-evidence6.htm

"Once you make your DNA profile available in a public database, it is easy for someone to replicate and plant at a crime scene and the police do not yet have the technology needed to deal with this," said Frumkin, a specialist in detecting and decoding non-phenotypic information in DNA.

http://www.onislam.net/english/health-and-science/science/448120.html

This last exert reminds me that the Burmese men had their DNA tested right at the beginning of the investigation. They made their DNA profile available didn't they? One of them even looked like he could have been the running man in the CCTV because he had similar hair to the half naked man. Didn't take the RTP long to get it shaved off though.

You remember wrong, they were not DNA tested at the beginning of the investigation, they gave samples (together with up to other 200 people) a few days before they were arrested.

[AleG]

The video with Sondai talking about the whole affair is really eye opening. A man at his level (past, currrently, whenever) will know how the system in Thailand works inside out. You simply can't get to the position he got without having connections both clean cut and uber crooked.

He specifically pointed out that Sean was to be picked out as the scapegoat but the plan was scuppered when he made the smart move to get journalists to get his side of the story first before the cops did. Probably saved his life. Why else would the 2 guys (mon and the moustachioed copper) follow him into the shop without a reason/.

No reason as to to why they followed him into the shop has ever been put forth by the 2 guys. Sean put his side across but it's clear now that anything he says should be taken with a pinch of salt. But again WHY WERE THEY FOLLOWING HIM in the first place?

Any rational / honest person can see that the story the RTP are peddling simply doesn't add up. Not saying its 100% false but there are way too many inconsistencies in there for it to even merit arresting somebody let alone trying them on 4 different charges in court.

I hope the defence team do some digging about the "safe house" that the B3, not B2 were "intensively interrogated" in prior to their confession. surely its existence in the whole evidence gathering process is enough for the whole dirty stinking case to be thrown out. Lives are on the line here. When is anybody going to do the right thing and stop this trainwreck before more innocent lives are destroyed

"But again WHY WERE THEY FOLLOWING HIM in the first place?"

Maybe because, like many here, they jumped at conclusions and "knew" he was the murderer?

That's quite correct. He is the murderer or knows who is the murderer.

Really? Have you signed up as the star witness for the defense yet?

[stephen terry]

10846384_10205709046393824_4992774214714826275_n.jpg

An excellent case review of a non-death penalty criminal trial (for defamation) using the same defense team as being used for the lads here, that won a first round, is fully presented here. It is a worthwhile read to better understand the Thai court system.

Note carefully as you read the long document: it was not alone skilled defense counsel (Nakhon is also lead defense counsel for the two Kho Tao lads) but a very strong two-judge panel that saw its way to real justice and not just Thai-style justice.

ttp://www.ictur.org/pdf/Plunkett.pdf and http://www.ictur.org/Eng/Plunkett.html

I have no experience or professional capacity to say this but after reading those documents, if this is the same defense team/lawyers representing then B2 then they are in very capable hands and I wish them every success in ensuring this trial is carried out fairly and justly. I hope the judge/s treat this case with the respect it deserves and look at the evidence ie DNA and other from the prosecution with scrutiny and ensure its all verifiable and from a clean source.

The B2 and the defense team need all the help they can get to ensure a fair trial, the world is watching and will not forget if there is another travesty of justice carried out in such a high profile case.

It won't happen. It has been decided that the b2 will be convicted. Because huge amounts of money have passed hands. Sorry to bring reality into your expectations.

[catsanddogs]

DNA evidence can be fabricated and planted at crime scenes, scientists warn

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1207389/DNA-evidence-fabricated-planted-crime-scenes-scientists-warn.html#ixzz3MizvS1Mv

DNA evidence is powerful, but it does have limitations. One limitation is related to misconceptions about what a DNA match really means. Matching DNA from a crime scene to DNA taken from a suspect is not an absolute guarantee of the suspect's guilt.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/genetic/dna-evidence6.htm

"Once you make your DNA profile available in a public database, it is easy for someone to replicate and plant at a crime scene and the police do not yet have the technology needed to deal with this," said Frumkin, a specialist in detecting and decoding non-phenotypic information in DNA.

http://www.onislam.net/english/health-and-science/science/448120.html

This last exert reminds me that the Burmese men had their DNA tested right at the beginning of the investigation. They made their DNA profile available didn't they? One of them even looked like he could have been the running man in the CCTV because he had similar hair to the half naked man. Didn't take the RTP long to get it shaved off though.

You remember wrong, they were not DNA tested at the beginning of the investigation, they gave samples (together with up to other 200 people) a few days before they were arrested.

What were they queueing up for then? Ice cream?

[AleG]

DNA evidence can be fabricated and planted at crime scenes, scientists warn

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1207389/DNA-evidence-fabricated-planted-crime-scenes-scientists-warn.html#ixzz3MizvS1Mv

DNA evidence is powerful, but it does have limitations. One limitation is related to misconceptions about what a DNA match really means. Matching DNA from a crime scene to DNA taken from a suspect is not an absolute guarantee of the suspect's guilt.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/genetic/dna-evidence6.htm

"Once you make your DNA profile available in a public database, it is easy for someone to replicate and plant at a crime scene and the police do not yet have the technology needed to deal with this," said Frumkin, a specialist in detecting and decoding non-phenotypic information in DNA.

http://www.onislam.net/english/health-and-science/science/448120.html

This last exert reminds me that the Burmese men had their DNA tested right at the beginning of the investigation. They made their DNA profile available didn't they? One of them even looked like he could have been the running man in the CCTV because he had similar hair to the half naked man. Didn't take the RTP long to get it shaved off though.

You remember wrong, they were not DNA tested at the beginning of the investigation, they gave samples (together with up to other 200 people) a few days before they were arrested.

What were they queueing up for then? Ice cream?

Either you didn't bother to read where I said "they gave samples (together with up to other 200 people) a few days before they were arrested." or you just came up with an inane response to save face. Which one was it?

[rockingrobin]

The suspect caught a surat thani had is dna collected there and the other 2

suspects had not had their dna sent by oct1

[z42]

The video with Sondai talking about the whole affair is really eye opening. A man at his level (past, currrently, whenever) will know how the system in Thailand works inside out. You simply can't get to the position he got without having connections both clean cut and uber crooked.

He specifically pointed out that Sean was to be picked out as the scapegoat but the plan was scuppered when he made the smart move to get journalists to get his side of the story first before the cops did. Probably saved his life. Why else would the 2 guys (mon and the moustachioed copper) follow him into the shop without a reason/.

No reason as to to why they followed him into the shop has ever been put forth by the 2 guys. Sean put his side across but it's clear now that anything he says should be taken with a pinch of salt. But again WHY WERE THEY FOLLOWING HIM in the first place?

Any rational / honest person can see that the story the RTP are peddling simply doesn't add up. Not saying its 100% false but there are way too many inconsistencies in there for it to even merit arresting somebody let alone trying them on 4 different charges in court.

I hope the defence team do some digging about the "safe house" that the B3, not B2 were "intensively interrogated" in prior to their confession. surely its existence in the whole evidence gathering process is enough for the whole dirty stinking case to be thrown out. Lives are on the line here. When is anybody going to do the right thing and stop this trainwreck before more innocent lives are destroyed

"But again WHY WERE THEY FOLLOWING HIM in the first place?"

Maybe because, like many here, they jumped at conclusions and "knew" he was the murderer?

And as if on cue, the screaming voice of warped logic. This is almost embarrassing, like shooting fish in a barrel, but i'll put your thoughts in their place anyways.

Not sure of you read the forums here but I don't think i've seen anybody seriously imply that sean was a killer. Imply that he's an idiot and a liar yes, but a kilter definitely not.

So again, "Maybe because, like many here, they jumped at conclusions and "knew" he was the murderer?"

If that was indeed the case then why didn't the moustachioed cop pick up his radio and call for backup, cuff sean and take him away if they were so convinced he was the killer. And let's be deadly serious, If you're getting arrested I can bet that any amount of hiding behind the counter of a shop will not result in you not getting taken in anyways. Ridiculous logic.

And correct me if i'm wrong but Mon is not a police officer, an investigator or a judge. So why exactly does he have any business chasing down innocent people and supposedly threatening them? Care to explain that one away?

On topic, I think Sean would be an excellent person for the Myanmar embassy team to speak to openly. He could maybe answer this question and others in confidence. Behind closed doors and with some security he might even start telling the whole truth and not partial truths and outright lies like he's been doing since he left koh tao

[jimmybkk]

Thanks for the replies. I wonder if the smashed up phone found in the bushes belonged to Sean? Do we know for sure he even owned one? Has he ever stated that he lost his phone? I know no one can answer these questions other than Sean McAnna so it is rather doubtful they will ever be answered. MOO

I would like to wish everyone 'A Very Merry Holiday Season and a Much Happier New Year!' My thoughts are with the families that have lost loved one's this year. We lost one young lad in October, it's heartbreaking to not have him here this season.

Gun cuireadh do chupa thairis le slàinte agus sonas.

Slàinte Mhòr!!

Eirene

I am very sorry to hear of your loss and my heart goes out to you. I am sure it is an incredibly difficult time for you, as it must be for the parents of David & Hannah. Please accept my sincerest condolences and RIP to the young one you lost.

[AGareth2]

Why would Sean be frightened to talk?

He is not in Thailand

[greenchair]

10846384_10205709046393824_4992774214714826275_n.jpg

An excellent case review of a non-death penalty criminal trial (for defamation) using the same defense team as being used for the lads here, that won a first round, is fully presented here. It is a worthwhile read to better understand the Thai court system.

Note carefully as you read the long document: it was not alone skilled defense counsel (Nakhon is also lead defense counsel for the two Kho Tao lads) but a very strong two-judge panel that saw its way to real justice and not just Thai-style justice.

ttp://www.ictur.org/pdf/Plunkett.pdf and http://www.ictur.org/Eng/Plunkett.html

I have no experience or professional capacity to say this but after reading those documents, if this is the same defense team/lawyers representing then B2 then they are in very capable hands and I wish them every success in ensuring this trial is carried out fairly and justly. I hope the judge/s treat this case with the respect it deserves and look at the evidence ie DNA and other from the prosecution with scrutiny and ensure its all verifiable and from a clean source.

The B2 and the defense team need all the help they can get to ensure a fair trial, the world is watching and will not forget if there is another travesty of justice carried out in such a high profile case.

What a wonderful article. Though this is a very bad situation. Saw and Wei certainly have the right people in their corner. And who do the prosecution have to support them . There are 4 on this forum and the owners of a bar. Like attracts like.

Make a small donation today.

[greenchair]

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Andy Hall just filed this report:

• Just finished meeting with Zaw Lin/Wei Phyo at Koh Samui prison with MWRN Vice President Aung Kyaw this morning. The guys in good health/spirits and happy to see a new and old visitor.
• Despite depositing 2 weeks ago more than enough funds for Zaw Lin/Wei Phyo to buy/assemble bedding for themselves as they said the hard floor in their cell made it difficult to sleep, the guys not purchased any bedding yet.
• Zaw Lin/Wei Phyo said to me that they are confident to be released verysoon so they didn't want to waste the 2000 baht money we deposited.
• Today asked/ordered them to buy again the bedding for their short term comfort anyway as was donated to them and I said it wouldn't be wasted as they could donate to another prisoner when they manage to leave the prison anyway. Will check up on this...
• The guys were both very happy to read messages/letters of encouragement we showed them during the visit and asked me to deposit [messages/letters of encouragement] through the prison for them to read inside in more detail.
• Unfortunately prison authorities now refused today to pass on the letters to the boys as before they always did, citing new orders and the prison staff said they will only accept letters or messages via official mail channels.
• The guys both asked us if they would be released on Friday after the court hearing or very soon as they really want to go home back to Myanmar now and be with their families. We told them the court process will surely take time.

We all (most at least) can agree this is heart-breaking.

We need witnesses to come forward who have direct and relevant information that will lead to the exoneration of these two innocent lads.

It seems that as the Kingdome of Thailand and the world rise both to defend the lads and oppose their harsh treatment by the State, the corrupt who hold their bodies will increase the lads' discomfort in an effort to break their spirits.

This new restriction on emotional support is a signal the nation and the world must rise our collective voices louder, but not harsher, to proclaim this treatment will no longer be tolerated. We will dig in for the long haul until the State releases them to go home... alive!

Please give generously to their defense fund. No one is giving up to save their lives; thank you all for your support. The MWRN Koh Tao case accused fair trial defense fund is where donations are made.

Perhaps they might think it bad luck to buy bedding. As it is acceptance they might be there for a while. Wish they could be bailed.

I can see saw and Wei really need 1 piece of good evidence to show their innocence. 1 picture that shows them going back to their room. 1 person that saw them go back. I just don't believe there is nothing. There must be 1 something.

Just a quickie...

Greenchair: Your support for these 2 suspects is inspiring.

You have taken this to heart and I am sure your efforts will, eventually, be rewarded.

You come across as a really good person. Im sure the B2 would appreciate your efforts and those of a few others who constantly post in their defence without the silly CTs and imagined re-actments that some have.

Thought Id post something positive and deserving to balance the RTP venom. Responding to the 4 in any way means you are biting on their bait.. dont do it, it detracts from the truth and common sense.

Bless. it is true. We must continue to repost the positive, interesting and helpful articles, to get as much evidence as people have sent to the right people.

My reward would be two innocent boys home with their families.

[stephen terry]

The video with Sondai talking about the whole affair is really eye opening. A man at his level (past, currrently, whenever) will know how the system in Thailand works inside out. You simply can't get to the position he got without having connections both clean cut and uber crooked.

He specifically pointed out that Sean was to be picked out as the scapegoat but the plan was scuppered when he made the smart move to get journalists to get his side of the story first before the cops did. Probably saved his life. Why else would the 2 guys (mon and the moustachioed copper) follow him into the shop without a reason/.

No reason as to to why they followed him into the shop has ever been put forth by the 2 guys. Sean put his side across but it's clear now that anything he says should be taken with a pinch of salt. But again WHY WERE THEY FOLLOWING HIM in the first place?

Any rational / honest person can see that the story the RTP are peddling simply doesn't add up. Not saying its 100% false but there are way too many inconsistencies in there for it to even merit arresting somebody let alone trying them on 4 different charges in court.

I hope the defence team do some digging about the "safe house" that the B3, not B2 were "intensively interrogated" in prior to their confession. surely its existence in the whole evidence gathering process is enough for the whole dirty stinking case to be thrown out. Lives are on the line here. When is anybody going to do the right thing and stop this trainwreck before more innocent lives are destroyed

"But again WHY WERE THEY FOLLOWING HIM in the first place?"

Maybe because, like many here, they jumped at conclusions and "knew" he was the murderer?

That's quite correct. He is the murderer or knows who is the murderer.

Really? Have you signed up as the star witness for the defense yet?

I must correct my statement. I don't think Sean is a murderer, but it is possible that he was at the crime scene, and maybe he witnessed the attack on David before running away. I hope the defence team will subpoena him as a witness.

[AleG]

The video with Sondai talking about the whole affair is really eye opening. A man at his level (past, currrently, whenever) will know how the system in Thailand works inside out. You simply can't get to the position he got without having connections both clean cut and uber crooked.

He specifically pointed out that Sean was to be picked out as the scapegoat but the plan was scuppered when he made the smart move to get journalists to get his side of the story first before the cops did. Probably saved his life. Why else would the 2 guys (mon and the moustachioed copper) follow him into the shop without a reason/.

No reason as to to why they followed him into the shop has ever been put forth by the 2 guys. Sean put his side across but it's clear now that anything he says should be taken with a pinch of salt. But again WHY WERE THEY FOLLOWING HIM in the first place?

Any rational / honest person can see that the story the RTP are peddling simply doesn't add up. Not saying its 100% false but there are way too many inconsistencies in there for it to even merit arresting somebody let alone trying them on 4 different charges in court.

I hope the defence team do some digging about the "safe house" that the B3, not B2 were "intensively interrogated" in prior to their confession. surely its existence in the whole evidence gathering process is enough for the whole dirty stinking case to be thrown out. Lives are on the line here. When is anybody going to do the right thing and stop this trainwreck before more innocent lives are destroyed

"But again WHY WERE THEY FOLLOWING HIM in the first place?"

Maybe because, like many here, they jumped at conclusions and "knew" he was the murderer?

And as if on cue, the screaming voice of warped logic. This is almost embarrassing, like shooting fish in a barrel, but i'll put your thoughts in their place anyways.

Not sure of you read the forums here but I don't think i've seen anybody seriously imply that sean was a killer. Imply that he's an idiot and a liar yes, but a kilter definitely not.

So again, "Maybe because, like many here, they jumped at conclusions and "knew" he was the murderer?"

If that was indeed the case then why didn't the moustachioed cop pick up his radio and call for backup, cuff sean and take him away if they were so convinced he was the killer. And let's be deadly serious, If you're getting arrested I can bet that any amount of hiding behind the counter of a shop will not result in you not getting taken in anyways. Ridiculous logic.

And correct me if i'm wrong but Mon is not a police officer, an investigator or a judge. So why exactly does he have any business chasing down innocent people and supposedly threatening them? Care to explain that one away?

On topic, I think Sean would be an excellent person for the Myanmar embassy team to speak to openly. He could maybe answer this question and others in confidence. Behind closed doors and with some security he might even start telling the whole truth and not partial truths and outright lies like he's been doing since he left koh tao

"Not sure of you read the forums here but I don't think i've seen anybody seriously imply that sean was a killer."

Actually, he has been accused of being the killer, under some ridiculous gay jealously rampage theory, both by a policeman at some point, and by some posters here in TV still. Even on this very thread page you have Stephen Terry making the accusation (before retracting it because it's so easy to mistake a murderer with a witness to a murder ).

"If that was indeed the case then why didn't the moustachioed cop pick up his radio and call for backup, cuff sean and take him away if they were so convinced he was the killer"

I don't know, do you know? How do you know he had a radio?

My guess is, as I said, that the two were two hot heads acting on what they "knew".

"And correct me if i'm wrong but Mon is not a police officer, an investigator or a judge. So why exactly does he have any business chasing down innocent people and supposedly threatening them? Care to explain that one away?"

About the same business as some people here fantasizing about chasing down the "real murderers", for example, none.

[greenchair]

Oh and in the interests of staying on topic. I hope the defense team can get some help with more witnesses and interesting information.

[AGareth2]

that photo of the reconstruction would be joke of the year for me if it wasn't so serious

How anyone can believe the RTP when looking at that pic beggars belief!

[greenchair]

I can't understand why there is so much video footage of people coming from the beach. There must be some video showing the boys going back to their room.

[DKUNPUTAF713]

I too will be going the bank tomorrow to send a gift for the two Burmese lads and Wishing Each and Every One A Merry Christmas (Tiny Tim says)!!!

[thailandchilli]

that photo of the reconstruction would be joke of the year for me if it wasn't so serious

How anyone can believe the RTP when looking at that pic beggars belief!

Its a macabre pantomime involving real people and real victims Thai style being played out for the whole world to see and the shows not over yet.

Thailand the world is watching you

[SLESQ]

While not expressly authorized to speak on behalf of Zaw Lin, Wai Phyo, or other members of the defense team on this subject, please on their behalf accept my heart-felt thanks for the generosity and kindness expressed here for the lads and the defense team who know of your acts and you words, and take great comfort from them.

As the more active members of the defense team assemble on Samui for the hearing later this week, know that your thoughts and prayers for the lads and the team are very important.

To all I wish a Happy and a Merry Christmas.

[aimbc]

Just wondering, were the two Britain's ever seen walking together in any the video? Like they had a romantic interested in each other?

I am sure their friends can confirm whether they were interested in each other. All I see that night from the cctv footages that they were walking around with two different group of people. If they were somehow attracted to each other, wouldn't we see them walking together with each other? Does any one have video of that?

It appears the murders watched to many Hollywood movies about loose foreign women and think that the two went to the beach for a one night stand. So they staged it that way. So the whole confession about the 2 Burmese getting worked up, and the reason for their crime maybe something the police force them to say. Crime scene investigation is all about the highest probable scenario. From there you can follow the trial.

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While not expressly authorized to speak on behalf of Zaw Lin, Wai Phyo, or other members of the defense team on this subject, please on their behalf accept my heart-felt thanks for the generosity and kindness expressed here for the lads and the defense team who know of your acts and you words, and take great comfort from them.

As the more active members of the defense team assemble on Samui for the hearing later this week, know that your thoughts and prayers for the lads and the team are very important.

To all I wish a Happy and a Merry Christmas.

My heart is just breaking today for the lads and their family.

[greenchair]

I too will be going the bank tomorrow to send a gift for the two Burmese lads and Wishing Each and Every One A Merry Christmas (Tiny Tim says)!!!

Come on people pop in the bank tomorrow. If we all chip in a bit. The costs must be huge getting to and from there. Also wouldn't it be super if the parents could be with them.

[z42]

The video with Sondai talking about the whole affair is really eye opening. A man at his level (past, currrently, whenever) will know how the system in Thailand works inside out. You simply can't get to the position he got without having connections both clean cut and uber crooked.

He specifically pointed out that Sean was to be picked out as the scapegoat but the plan was scuppered when he made the smart move to get journalists to get his side of the story first before the cops did. Probably saved his life. Why else would the 2 guys (mon and the moustachioed copper) follow him into the shop without a reason/.

No reason as to to why they followed him into the shop has ever been put forth by the 2 guys. Sean put his side across but it's clear now that anything he says should be taken with a pinch of salt. But again WHY WERE THEY FOLLOWING HIM in the first place?

Any rational / honest person can see that the story the RTP are peddling simply doesn't add up. Not saying its 100% false but there are way too many inconsistencies in there for it to even merit arresting somebody let alone trying them on 4 different charges in court.

I hope the defence team do some digging about the "safe house" that the B3, not B2 were "intensively interrogated" in prior to their confession. surely its existence in the whole evidence gathering process is enough for the whole dirty stinking case to be thrown out. Lives are on the line here. When is anybody going to do the right thing and stop this trainwreck before more innocent lives are destroyed

"But again WHY WERE THEY FOLLOWING HIM in the first place?"

Maybe because, like many here, they jumped at conclusions and "knew" he was the murderer?

And as if on cue, the screaming voice of warped logic. This is almost embarrassing, like shooting fish in a barrel, but i'll put your thoughts in their place anyways.

Not sure of you read the forums here but I don't think i've seen anybody seriously imply that sean was a killer. Imply that he's an idiot and a liar yes, but a kilter definitely not.

So again, "Maybe because, like many here, they jumped at conclusions and "knew" he was the murderer?"

If that was indeed the case then why didn't the moustachioed cop pick up his radio and call for backup, cuff sean and take him away if they were so convinced he was the killer. And let's be deadly serious, If you're getting arrested I can bet that any amount of hiding behind the counter of a shop will not result in you not getting taken in anyways. Ridiculous logic.

And correct me if i'm wrong but Mon is not a police officer, an investigator or a judge. So why exactly does he have any business chasing down innocent people and supposedly threatening them? Care to explain that one away?

On topic, I think Sean would be an excellent person for the Myanmar embassy team to speak to openly. He could maybe answer this question and others in confidence. Behind closed doors and with some security he might even start telling the whole truth and not partial truths and outright lies like he's been doing since he left koh tao

"Not sure of you read the forums here but I don't think i've seen anybody seriously imply that sean was a killer."

Actually, he has been accused of being the killer, under some ridiculous gay jealously rampage theory, both by a policeman at some point, and by some posters here in TV still. Even on this very thread page you have Stephen Terry making the accusation (before retracting it because it's so easy to mistake a murderer with a witness to a murder ).

"If that was indeed the case then why didn't the moustachioed cop pick up his radio and call for backup, cuff sean and take him away if they were so convinced he was the killer"

I don't know, do you know? How do you know he had a radio?

My guess is, as I said, that the two were two hot heads acting on what they "knew".

"And correct me if i'm wrong but Mon is not a police officer, an investigator or a judge. So why exactly does he have any business chasing down innocent people and supposedly threatening them? Care to explain that one away?"

About the same business as some people here fantasizing about chasing down the "real murderers", for example, none.

What utter BS, if you're not going to be logical don't bother replying. How do I know a police officer carries a radio? It's a fundamental piece of equipment they use to communicate with, what do you think they use, carrier pigeon. Give me a break.

If he didn't have his radio, then why not I wonder, was he even on duty?

Either way a cop and a local "hot head" friend aren't at liberty to go and threaten innocent members of the public. Sean's running, they're following. That looks like typical intimidatory / threatening behaviour to me.. Or what do you suggest, that they were having a running race and the finish line was the local convenience shop.

So there is a difference between voicing frustrations and ill intentions on the net and actively pursuing people with your cop friends on a small island. We only have sean's words that threats to kill were made. Either way its reasonable to assume they weren't all going to discuss it all while tucking into tea and bagels.

So again, the topic is defence witnesses. Sean is a good option for the defence, and having been present in the AC bar that fateful night Mon could well have some useful insights for the prosecution. He certainly seems to know something, and was in a position to get a lot of inside information on what happened before and after

[BritTim]

What utter BS, if you're not going to be logical don't bother replying. How do I know a police officer carries a radio? It's a fundamental piece of equipment they use to communicate with, what do you think they use, carrier pigeon. Give me a break.

If he didn't have his radio, then why not I wonder, was he even on duty?

Either way a cop and a local "hot head" friend aren't at liberty to go and threaten innocent members of the public. Sean's running, they're following. That looks like typical intimidatory / threatening behaviour to me.. Or what do you suggest, that they were having a running race and the finish line was the local convenience shop.

So there is a difference between voicing frustrations and ill intentions on the net and actively pursuing people with your cop friends on a small island. We only have sean's words that threats to kill were made. Either way its reasonable to assume they weren't all going to discuss it all while tucking into tea and bagels.

So again, the topic is defence witnesses. Sean is a good option for the defence, and having been present in the AC bar that fateful night Mon could well have some useful insights for the prosecution. He certainly seems to know something, and was in a position to get a lot of inside information on what happened before and after

That looks like typical intimidatory / threatening behaviour to me.That looks like typical intimidatory / threatening behaviour to me.

I agree with this, but Sean's explanation of why does not ring true to me. What might be true is that Sean was trying to blackmail Mon, saying he knew Mon and his friends were involved and to pay him (Sean) lots of money or he would shop them. Mon then replied "no, you did it, and you are going to die tonight" (meaning that no one blackmails him and gets away with it). Under this scenario, Sean would successfully negotiate a payoff (perhaps, with Mon's father) once he had successfully escaped the country. On the other hand, this hypothesis might be a load of bovine manure. Who knows?

One thing I do know: if I was the defense, I would dearly like to talk with him, but I would think long and hard before using him as a witness. He would be a real loose cannon.

Edited December 24, 2014 by BritTim