Inquest of Derby man found dead in Koh Tao

[26vinny]

until people stop going to this place its a win win win. RTP are a joke we all know that, let them ruin their island and tourism in the country. land of smiles amazing thailand, the only thing amazing about it is, it would be amazing if you survived the holiday.

[Soutpeel]

Sadly the more one reads and hears concerning KohTao the more one gets the feeling that something is not right.Strange deaths that are passed off as, or regarded as accidental.Murder investigations that are totally flawed etc etc

Why does there seem to be an ongoing cover up ?

There seems to be no regard for the rule of law and order on the island or is it the fact there is no law and order on the island which seems to be in a state of anarchy.

There appears to be total silence from the islands political team, council and the police and business and medical community who all seem to be somewhat inept ,corrupt.

Lies and deceit seem to be the norm, why are there no comments from the residents both Thai and foreign.It would seem a possibility that a solo killer, a psychopath or the possibility a group of violent characters roaming around the island bent on violence and subsequent death, again not necessarily 100% Thai in its make up either.

The island seems to be a snake pit of violence corruption lies and deceit, yet we still see posters spring to the defense of the island .Indeed one is left to speculate why there is such support ans ongoing denials of the truth on this island.

Perhaps a clean out of the administration team and what passes as the police farce force on this island may well be in order if in fact not long overdue.

Or maybe this death was an accident; drunk person falls of a cliff is not exactly a far fetched scenario, is it?

50m fall and only some bruises to his face, not anywhere else and not any broken bones. Amazing!

Yes very amazing seeing as he would have hit the ground at approx 90km/hr assuming he didn't hit anything on the way down

[DennisF]

This was the guy, who according to the RTP fell of a cliff 50 meters into sea and drowned.

Despite the 50 meter fall, there was not a scratch on his body!!

Another fine piece of investigative work by the RTP!!

Or in other words, another case of sweeping under the carpet, what really happened!!

So there is a cover-up because he had no "scratches", OK.

From the article you didn't even bother to read:

"He said: “There were some bruises on his face. He could have fell, bumped, or been assaulted. From a pathologist’s point of view, his injuries are not from an assault but I can’t rule it out.”

He said a lot of the injuries had occurred after his death."

And right on cue comes our resident (possibly quite literally) Koh Tao apologist.

I kn ow this wont sit well <deleted>

An autopsy back in the UK revealed that Nick had drowned but had no broken bones that seemed strange if he had fallen 50 meters, the postmortem said that it was possible he was attacked before drowning.

[thailandchilli]

All sounds a bit to familiar...................

The parents of a British holidaymaker who died in suspicious circumstances in Thailand are convinced he was murdered – and the killing covered up to protect tourism.

His parents are battling to disprove the official version of events. They think he may have been followed back to his holiday bungalow and killed. Despite being warned to keep quiet by people on the island, the family have refused to be silenced.

Tracy said: “It seems like they just want to protect their tourist industry but we need to know what happened.”

“For us it’s horrendous, a living nightmare. We have to face the awful reality we might never get the answers we need.

"I just hope that one day someone will get to the bottom of what’s happening on Koh Tao, and what really happened to our wonderful son.”

She added: “We are sure our son was murdered but no one claims to know anything.

"We will keep campaigning for justice. We hope that having Koh Tao in the spotlight might help.”

"We knew he liked a Thai girl he’d met and we wondered if that had caused offence, and that someone followed him and did him harm.”

She added: “The police didn’t look at his room or the area where he was found. There was no attempt to investigate.

"They spent most of their time laughing and joking as we asked questions.”

Tracy said her son Matt was warned there are “powerful people on the island”, and that the family should leave rather than stirring up trouble.

They also heard other holidaymakers had died on the island and their bodies “thrown into the water in the hope they’d be washed away”.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/thailand-beach-death-parents-convinced-4410135

Edited December 20, 2014 by thailandchilli

[Lovekorat]

So sad for the family and for another young man who loses his life.

Answers from the police here?

They don't need to cooperate and won't.

I feel there is this 'foreigners abroad' feeling sometimes here....hard luck it happens.

Well it seems to happen an awful lot on Koh Tao?

Where's Rambo when you need him!

[falangjim]

RIP Nick, but it is completely unrealistic for the UK family to believe the RTP have to deal with the Derbyshire police. People please understand how countries and jurisdictions work. If you want UK police to investigate, alway holiday in the UK. You might feel safe dealing with your local constabulary, but they have zero influence and/or authority outside your borders, and it is totally unrealistic to expect anything different.

What a loads of <deleted>. The article says "co-operate"...they would not offer any level of "co-operation"... they were not asking for a miracle. They were asking for just a little co-operation. ANY semi-democratic, semi transparent 2nd world country could have offered some "co-operation".

Unfortunately, Thailand is far from a 'semi-democratic, semi transparent 2nd world country' though.

[GAZZPA]

RIP Nick, but it is completely unrealistic for the UK family to believe the RTP have to deal with the Derbyshire police. People please understand how countries and jurisdictions work. If you want UK police to investigate, alway holiday in the UK. You might feel safe dealing with your local constabulary, but they have zero influence and/or authority outside your borders, and it is totally unrealistic to expect anything different.

I think everyone understands about jurisdiction, this is not a helpful or useful post. Its just another "if you don't like it stay in the UK statement"..

The fact is that this is not an investigation into the loss of a handbag,, this family have lost their son. Why is it "completely unrealistic" to expect help from the local police where the tragedy happened? Why can't questions be asked and why would the local police not do all they can to provide suitable answers?

It is your acceptance of low standards that is the problem here not the families unrealistic expectations.

Good luck to them finding out what happened, I hope they get closure on this terrible tragedy,, please ignore posts such as the previous and keep pushing on for answers.

[Willy Eckerslike]

This was the guy, who according to the RTP fell of a cliff 50 meters into sea and drowned.

Despite the 50 meter fall, there was not a scratch on his body!!

Another fine piece of investigative work by the RTP!!

Or in other words, another case of sweeping under the carpet, what really happened!!

So there is a cover-up because he had no "scratches", OK.

From the article you didn't even bother to read:

"He said: “There were some bruises on his face. He could have fell, bumped, or been assaulted. From a pathologist’s point of view, his injuries are not from an assault but I can’t rule it out.”

He said a lot of the injuries had occurred after his death."

[Willy Eckerslike]

This was the guy, who according to the RTP fell of a cliff 50 meters into sea and drowned.

Despite the 50 meter fall, there was not a scratch on his body!!

Another fine piece of investigative work by the RTP!!

Or in other words, another case of sweeping under the carpet, what really happened!!

So there is a cover-up because he had no "scratches", OK.

From the article you didn't even bother to read:

"He said: “There were some bruises on his face. He could have fell, bumped, or been assaulted. From a pathologist’s point of view, his injuries are not from an assault but I can’t rule it out.”

He said a lot of the injuries had occurred after his death."

And right on cue comes our resident (possibly quite literally) Koh Tao apologist.

Right on cue you attack the poster instead of addressing the post.

[Willy Eckerslike]

Sadly the more one reads and hears concerning KohTao the more one gets the feeling that something is not right.Strange deaths that are passed off as, or regarded as accidental.Murder investigations that are totally flawed etc etc

Why does there seem to be an ongoing cover up ?

There seems to be no regard for the rule of law and order on the island or is it the fact there is no law and order on the island which seems to be in a state of anarchy.

There appears to be total silence from the islands political team, council and the police and business and medical community who all seem to be somewhat inept ,corrupt.

Lies and deceit seem to be the norm, why are there no comments from the residents both Thai and foreign.It would seem a possibility that a solo killer, a psychopath or the possibility a group of violent characters roaming around the island bent on violence and subsequent death, again not necessarily 100% Thai in its make up either.

The island seems to be a snake pit of violence corruption lies and deceit, yet we still see posters spring to the defense of the island .Indeed one is left to speculate why there is such support ans ongoing denials of the truth on this island.

Perhaps a clean out of the administration team and what passes as the police farce force on this island may well be in order if in fact not long overdue.

Or maybe this death was an accident; drunk person falls of a cliff is not exactly a far fetched scenario, is it?

[Willy Eckerslike]

Sadly the more one reads and hears concerning KohTao the more one gets the feeling that something is not right.Strange deaths that are passed off as, or regarded as accidental.Murder investigations that are totally flawed etc etc

Why does there seem to be an ongoing cover up ?

There seems to be no regard for the rule of law and order on the island or is it the fact there is no law and order on the island which seems to be in a state of anarchy.

There appears to be total silence from the islands political team, council and the police and business and medical community who all seem to be somewhat inept ,corrupt.

Lies and deceit seem to be the norm, why are there no comments from the residents both Thai and foreign.It would seem a possibility that a solo killer, a psychopath or the possibility a group of violent characters roaming around the island bent on violence and subsequent death, again not necessarily 100% Thai in its make up either.

The island seems to be a snake pit of violence corruption lies and deceit, yet we still see posters spring to the defense of the island .Indeed one is left to speculate why there is such support ans ongoing denials of the truth on this island.

Perhaps a clean out of the administration team and what passes as the police farce force on this island may well be in order if in fact not long overdue.

Or maybe this death was an accident; drunk person falls of a cliff is not exactly a far fetched scenario, is it?

Until one reads of the effects of such a fall.

Do you think no signs on the body can be manifested after such a high fall?

Look , only a few people are left still believing the Thai versions on almost anything these days.

Some people refer to them as suckers - fools.

Well, this sucker actually read the article on the OP and the coroners opinion on the injuries.

[Sheryl]

RIP Nick, but it is completely unrealistic for the UK family to believe the RTP have to deal with the Derbyshire police. People please understand how countries and jurisdictions work. If you want UK police to investigate, alway holiday in the UK. You might feel safe dealing with your local constabulary, but they have zero influence and/or authority outside your borders, and it is totally unrealistic to expect anything different.

I think what the family wanted and expected was for the RTP to actually and fully investigate the case (including a proper autopsy - not done) , rendering an investigation by police in the UK unnecessary.

Not IMO an unrealistic expectation for an unexplained death occurring on Thai soil.

[Willy Eckerslike]

Until one reads of the effects of such a fall.

Do you think no signs on the body can be manifested after such a high fall?

Look , only a few people are left still believing the Thai versions on almost anything these days.

Some people refer to them as suckers - fools.

Well, this sucker actually read the article on the OP and the coroners opinion on the injuries.

An appointed Thai one- whose evidence is refuted in more civilised countries

So you still haven't read the article...

"Home Office pathologist Dr Michael Biggs said Nick had 237 mg of alcohol in his body. The UK legal limit for driving is 80 mgs.

He said: “There were some bruises on his face. He could have fell, bumped, or been assaulted. From a pathologist’s point of view, his injuries are not from an assault but I can’t rule it out.”"

[Sheryl]

This was the guy, who according to the RTP fell of a cliff 50 meters into sea and drowned.

Despite the 50 meter fall, there was not a scratch on his body!!

Another fine piece of investigative work by the RTP!!

Or in other words, another case of sweeping under the carpet, what really happened!!

"Despite the 50 meter fall, there was not a scratch on his body!!"

Your assertion conflicts with that of the Coroner in England...

"Home Office pathologist Dr Michael Biggs said Nick had 237 mg of alcohol in his body. The UK legal limit for driving is 80 mgs.

He said: “There were some bruises on his face. He could have fell, bumped, or been assaulted. From a pathologist’s point of view, his injuries are not from an assault but I can’t rule it out"

Or in other words, another case of your speculation and not knowing what really happened.

The bruises described are not consistent with a 50 meter fall onto rocks.

So while it is not correct to say "not a scratch on his body", it is the case that physical evidence contradicts the theory of falling into the sea.

He was last seen entering his cabin to go to bed. The cabin is not located anywhere near the water.

[SunsetT]

I twice went to Koh Tao for short visits a few years ago and there seemed to be a lot more Brits living and working there in the many diving schools/resorts than any other tourist island or resort Ive visited in Thailand. It seemed that the cheap diving courses offered were the main attraction for most of the young farang backpacker tourists visiting Koh Tao. So I am very puzzled as to why no information on these disturbing events with British victims has been forthcoming from the British diving community there. Even if they are keeping quiet in fear for their own safety, Im sure that some are smart enough to reveal anything they know secretly to British authorities or contacts rather than Thai.

[AleG]

Sadly the more one reads and hears concerning KohTao the more one gets the feeling that something is not right.Strange deaths that are passed off as, or regarded as accidental.Murder investigations that are totally flawed etc etc

Why does there seem to be an ongoing cover up ?

There seems to be no regard for the rule of law and order on the island or is it the fact there is no law and order on the island which seems to be in a state of anarchy.

There appears to be total silence from the islands political team, council and the police and business and medical community who all seem to be somewhat inept ,corrupt.

Lies and deceit seem to be the norm, why are there no comments from the residents both Thai and foreign.It would seem a possibility that a solo killer, a psychopath or the possibility a group of violent characters roaming around the island bent on violence and subsequent death, again not necessarily 100% Thai in its make up either.

The island seems to be a snake pit of violence corruption lies and deceit, yet we still see posters spring to the defense of the island .Indeed one is left to speculate why there is such support ans ongoing denials of the truth on this island.

Perhaps a clean out of the administration team and what passes as the police farce force on this island may well be in order if in fact not long overdue.

Or maybe this death was an accident; drunk person falls of a cliff is not exactly a far fetched scenario, is it?

50m fall and only some bruises to his face, not anywhere else and not any broken bones. Amazing!

Yes very amazing seeing as he would have hit the ground at approx 90km/hr assuming he didn't hit anything on the way down

Of course the fact that there are no 50 meter cliffs in Koh Tao is of absolutely no importance to the conspiracists to get started.

[Willy Eckerslike]

This was the guy, who according to the RTP fell of a cliff 50 meters into sea and drowned.

Despite the 50 meter fall, there was not a scratch on his body!!

Another fine piece of investigative work by the RTP!!

Or in other words, another case of sweeping under the carpet, what really happened!!

"Despite the 50 meter fall, there was not a scratch on his body!!"

Your assertion conflicts with that of the Coroner in England...

"Home Office pathologist Dr Michael Biggs said Nick had 237 mg of alcohol in his body. The UK legal limit for driving is 80 mgs.

He said: “There were some bruises on his face. He could have fell, bumped, or been assaulted. From a pathologist’s point of view, his injuries are not from an assault but I can’t rule it out"

Or in other words, another case of your speculation and not knowing what really happened.

The bruises described are not consistent with a 50 meter fall onto rocks.

So while it is not correct to say "not a scratch on his body", it is the case that physical evidence contradicts the theory of falling into the sea.

He was last seen entering his cabin to go to bed. The cabin is not located anywhere near the water.

You are right Sheryl, His room was on top of the cliff he is reportedly to have fallen down, I have seen a pic of this location but cannot find it now, still looking

Do any other posters have it ...it was in one of the threads after the incident.

[Sheryl]

People who were there when this happened have described the location and shown me pics of it. Definitely no way to fall into the water from where he was, and no known reason for him to have voluntarily left his cabin (after having already turned in for the night) and walked the considerable way down to the nearest place at which he could possibly have fallen into the water.

His attire was also not consistent with what those who know him well believe he would have worn if voluntarily leaving his cabin.

And, of course, the autopsy findings rule out a fall from any significant height.

[ThaiUser]

A 50m fall into the sea seems a fair drop and having no serious damage to the bones or bruises that would account for the height of the drop would raise suspicions.

However, reading the Derby Telegraph and the Samu Times the story doesn’t add up.

Samu Times: The police suspected that Nick had fallen 50ft but his parents are disputing that version of events and believe he could have been followed back to his bungalow and told reporters that they were warned to keep quiet by people in Koh Tao.

An autopsy back in the UK revealed that Nick had drowned but had no broken bones that seemed strange if he had fallen 50 meters, the post mortem said that it was possible he was attacked before drowning.

50ft within one article turn to 50 meters, which is some difference in distance.

Derby Telegraph: Home Office pathologist Dr Michael Biggs said Nick had 237 mg of alcohol in his body. The UK legal limit for driving is 80 mgs. He said: “There were some bruises on his face. He could have fell, bumped, or been assaulted. From a pathologist’s point of view, his injuries are not from an assault but I can’t rule it out.” He said a lot of the injuries had occurred after his death.

Senior coroner Louise Pinder said he drowned and recorded an open conclusion. Ms Pinder said: “Nick had been experiencing pain in his knee and he had consumed alcohol but he was fit and well when he was last seen at 2am.”

Samu Times: After their meal they said they went to Siree Beach to watch the fireworks and around 1am Nick’s father walked him to his bungalow and watched him get into bed.

In the Samu Times it is said the post mortem states that it was possible he was attacked before drowning. That is contradicting what the Derby Telegraph wrote when quoting the pathologist that said in his professional view the injuries are not from an assault but that he could not rule it out; meaning an assault having taken place was most unlikely. The pathologist also explained that a lot of the injuries had occurred after his death, which shouldn’t be a surprise when a dead body is pushed by the swell and waves against rocks when drifting in the sea.

To summon it all up, he had alcohol in his blood that was nearly 3 times over the limit permitted to drive in the UK, but according to the coroner he was fit and well when last seen at 2am. According to the Samu Times he was seen around 1am last when his father walked him back to his bungalow and watched him get into bed.

Since nothing seems to match up and he was drunk let’s all blame it on the RTP and how they investigated the case. Maybe if people would consume less alcohol, enable them to keep track of time and events it would make it easier for the RTP too.

[asiamaster]

The family should ask csi Thailand to help. It's not perfect but he really gets it in the news.and I think he does help

Indeed his posting on behalf of the family of the young Swedish lad who was trying to get away from his controlling parents really got him in the news and was of great help. The guy consequently committed suicide today....

[thailandchilli]

AleG: Of course the fact that there are no 50 meter cliffs in Koh Tao is of absolutely no importance to the conspiracists to get started.

So along with the parents we are now conspiracists!! You have an agenda here and its more much than skepticism. Anything to protect Koh Tao and belittle any criticism directed towards it or the people there.By the way, your smiley attempt is pathetic

In all the posts you've made, you never mentioned you've been to Koh Tao before? Its just that I wonder how you know there are no 50 meter drops?

[sustento]

Sadly the more one reads and hears concerning KohTao the more one gets the feeling that something is not right.Strange deaths that are passed off as, or regarded as accidental.Murder investigations that are totally flawed etc etc

Why does there seem to be an ongoing cover up ?

There seems to be no regard for the rule of law and order on the island or is it the fact there is no law and order on the island which seems to be in a state of anarchy.

There appears to be total silence from the islands political team, council and the police and business and medical community who all seem to be somewhat inept ,corrupt.

Lies and deceit seem to be the norm, why are there no comments from the residents both Thai and foreign.It would seem a possibility that a solo killer, a psychopath or the possibility a group of violent characters roaming around the island bent on violence and subsequent death, again not necessarily 100% Thai in its make up either.

The island seems to be a snake pit of violence corruption lies and deceit, yet we still see posters spring to the defense of the island .Indeed one is left to speculate why there is such support ans ongoing denials of the truth on this island.

Perhaps a clean out of the administration team and what passes as the police farce force on this island may well be in order if in fact not long overdue.

Or maybe this death was an accident; drunk person falls of a cliff is not exactly a far fetched scenario, is it?

50m fall and only some bruises to his face, not anywhere else and not any broken bones. Amazing!

Yes very amazing seeing as he would have hit the ground at approx 90km/hr assuming he didn't hit anything on the way down

His body was found in the sea. Maybe he'd fallen into the sea rather than onto land? Would there be any injury from falling into the sea rather than hitting nthe ground?

[AleG]

AleG: Of course the fact that there are no 50 meter cliffs in Koh Tao is of absolutely no importance to the conspiracists to get started.

So along with the parents we are now conspiracists!! You have an agenda here and its more much than skepticism. Anything to protect Koh Tao and belittle any criticism directed towards it or the people there.By the way, your smiley attempt is pathetic

In all the posts you've made, you never mentioned you've been to Koh Tao before? Its just that I wonder how you know there are no 50 meter drops?

What is pathetic is your, and other people's, obsession with my "agenda".

I point out that people have already started spinning theories on something that is factually incorrect and the first thing you can think of is "agenda", get a grip.

[Mooner]

They offer cliff diving in Ko Tao so must be some pretty decent cliffs there. Guess he just fell on his face!

[lil fluffy clouds]

Sadly the more one reads and hears concerning KohTao the more one gets the feeling that something is not right.Strange deaths that are passed off as, or regarded as accidental.Murder investigations that are totally flawed etc etc

Why does there seem to be an ongoing cover up ?

There seems to be no regard for the rule of law and order on the island or is it the fact there is no law and order on the island which seems to be in a state of anarchy.

There appears to be total silence from the islands political team, council and the police and business and medical community who all seem to be somewhat inept ,corrupt.

Lies and deceit seem to be the norm, why are there no comments from the residents both Thai and foreign.It would seem a possibility that a solo killer, a psychopath or the possibility a group of violent characters roaming around the island bent on violence and subsequent death, again not necessarily 100% Thai in its make up either.

The island seems to be a snake pit of violence corruption lies and deceit, yet we still see posters spring to the defense of the island .Indeed one is left to speculate why there is such support ans ongoing denials of the truth on this island.

Perhaps a clean out of the administration team and what passes as the police farce force on this island may well be in order if in fact not long overdue.

Or maybe this death was an accident; drunk person falls of a cliff is not exactly a far fetched scenario, is it?

It's not that far fetched to get "done" in thailand either.

[thailandchilli]

AleG: Of course the fact that there are no 50 meter cliffs in Koh Tao is of absolutely no importance to the conspiracists to get started.

So along with the parents we are now conspiracists!! You have an agenda here and its more much than skepticism. Anything to protect Koh Tao and belittle any criticism directed towards it or the people there.By the way, your smiley attempt is pathetic

In all the posts you've made, you never mentioned you've been to Koh Tao before? Its just that I wonder how you know there are no 50 meter drops?

What is pathetic is your, and other people's, obsession with my "agenda".

I point out that people have already started spinning theories on something that is factually incorrect and the first thing you can think of is "agenda", get a grip.

Think you better read my post again, you mentioned conspiracists, so along with the parents we are now conspiracists according to you. You also failed to answer my question on how you know there are no 50m drops.

[AleG]

AleG: Of course the fact that there are no 50 meter cliffs in Koh Tao is of absolutely no importance to the conspiracists to get started.

So along with the parents we are now conspiracists!! You have an agenda here and its more much than skepticism. Anything to protect Koh Tao and belittle any criticism directed towards it or the people there.By the way, your smiley attempt is pathetic

In all the posts you've made, you never mentioned you've been to Koh Tao before? Its just that I wonder how you know there are no 50 meter drops?

What is pathetic is your, and other people's, obsession with my "agenda".

I point out that people have already started spinning theories on something that is factually incorrect and the first thing you can think of is "agenda", get a grip.

Think you better read my post again, you mentioned conspiracists, so along with the parents we are now conspiracists according to you. You also failed to answer my question on how you know there are no 50m drops.

Well, you must have felt identified because your name was not on the quotes I replied to, neither were the parents.

This, however was in the quoted text:

"It would seem a possibility that a solo killer, a psychopath or the possibility a group of violent characters roaming around the island bent on violence and subsequent death, again not necessarily 100% Thai in its make up either.

The island seems to be a snake pit of violence corruption lies and deceit, yet we still see posters spring to the defense of the island .Indeed one is left to speculate why there is such support ans ongoing denials of the truth on this island."

The usual conspiracy stuff.

I've been to Koh Tao four times, I know the island, there are no 50 meter cliffs into the sea.

Now, predictably, you will jump on that to claim I have connections to the island and that explains my agenda, yes?

[Sheryl]

I don't know the meter-age but the resort is way up on a steep hill. And there are rocks below any points at which one could fall into the sea.

And no getting around that he was last seen going to bed, and that there is no place near his cabin from which he could have fallen into the sea, nor any known reason why he would have gotten out of bed and walked down to a place where a fall would be possible.

None of us know what actually happened, whether it was a freak accident or foul play. But it is clear that the circumstances warranted a thorough police investigation. That this did not occur is, I think, the basis for the parents distrust and complaint.

[Alan653]

AleG: Of course the fact that there are no 50 meter cliffs in Koh Tao is of absolutely no importance to the conspiracists to get started.

So along with the parents we are now conspiracists!! You have an agenda here and its more much than skepticism. Anything to protect Koh Tao and belittle any criticism directed towards it or the people there.By the way, your smiley attempt is pathetic

In all the posts you've made, you never mentioned you've been to Koh Tao before? Its just that I wonder how you know there are no 50 meter drops?

What is pathetic is your, and other people's, obsession with my "agenda".

I point out that people have already started spinning theories on something that is factually incorrect and the first thing you can think of is "agenda", get a grip.

Think you better read my post again, you mentioned conspiracists, so along with the parents we are now conspiracists according to you. You also failed to answer my question on how you know there are no 50m drops.

I cought that too about the 50m drop.

Would love to hear AleG's explaination of this one.

But... he is part of the cover up conspiracists,

and possibly does have an agenda, being one of the JD boy's.

The family want's cooperation from the RTP, and from Thailand itself.

Tell me AleG,.......what is wrong with that?

Edited December 20, 2014 by Alan653

[Metapod]

Nick was a friend of mine. Terrible what happened to him.

Really nice guy.

What did happen to him?

Can you tell?

I have no idea what happened. I wasn't there at the time. He was a fairly wild guy and loved to party, but always extremely friendly. He had been around Thailand a while. I doubt he just drowned after a quiet booze session with his family, but who knows.