Fitness & Motivation

[singa-traz]

[chiang mai]

I think many people who want to loose weight and stay fit get lulled into a false sense of security simply because they go to the gym a couple of times a week and do some exercise. After six months their cardio may be reasonable but their weight probably hasn't gone down and in fact, may even have increased. That was certainly my experience over a few years, until I moved house and rapidly lost 5 kilo's as a result of doing some serious exercise - the moving process combined with a series of intense DIY projects was pretty demanding.

So the message here is: if you want to loose weight and can't you need to take your exercise regime to a whole new level and stop just playing around with gym memberships.

[robblok]

Many people have no idea how to workout, its not suprising with all the misinformation available. Plus lifting free weights can look pretty intimidating but that is the way to go if you want to gain some muscle.

After every set of deadlift i feel like dying.. heart-rate racing totally drained, and I wish it to be over. It is actually something that i don't look forward to. But good training requires doing compound lifts and trying to put more strain on the muscle over time. Not doing arm curls and expecting to get big.

[h90]

Many people have no idea how to workout, its not suprising with all the misinformation available. Plus lifting free weights can look pretty intimidating but that is the way to go if you want to gain some muscle.

After every set of deadlift i feel like dying.. heart-rate racing totally drained, and I wish it to be over. It is actually something that i don't look forward to. But good training requires doing compound lifts and trying to put more strain on the muscle over time. Not doing arm curls and expecting to get big.

yes the problem is that you must torture yourself. And if you have that willpower you could simply eat less as well. Taking the weights you fell comfortable with doesn't gain you much.

[Jingthing]

What he says about food intake is 100 percent spot on!

The quickest way to get an American fat is to go on a diet. Don't ever diet another day the rest of your life. Eat for nutrition never eat for weight loss and and never make any changes to way you eat that you're not willing to make permanent.

[robblok]

Many people have no idea how to workout, its not suprising with all the misinformation available. Plus lifting free weights can look pretty intimidating but that is the way to go if you want to gain some muscle.

After every set of deadlift i feel like dying.. heart-rate racing totally drained, and I wish it to be over. It is actually something that i don't look forward to. But good training requires doing compound lifts and trying to put more strain on the muscle over time. Not doing arm curls and expecting to get big.

yes the problem is that you must torture yourself. And if you have that willpower you could simply eat less as well. Taking the weights you fell comfortable with doesn't gain you much.

I find it easier to work my ass of for 45-60 min ending up totally drained for 4 times a week then feeling hungry all week long. But you are right people who can workout hard usually are mentally tough and have more self control to stick to a food program.

[singa-traz]

Many people have no idea how to workout, its not suprising with all the misinformation available. Plus lifting free weights can look pretty intimidating but that is the way to go if you want to gain some muscle.

After every set of deadlift i feel like dying.. heart-rate racing totally drained, and I wish it to be over. It is actually something that i don't look forward to. But good training requires doing compound lifts and trying to put more strain on the muscle over time. Not doing arm curls and expecting to get big.

yes the problem is that you must torture yourself. And if you have that willpower you could simply eat less as well. Taking the weights you fell comfortable with doesn't gain you much.

I find it easier to work my ass of for 45-60 min ending up totally drained for 4 times a week then feeling hungry all week long. But you are right people who can workout hard usually are mentally tough and have more self control to stick to a food program.

Or it could be the other way round, you get tough mentally because of working out hard on a regular basis.

[h90]

Many people have no idea how to workout, its not suprising with all the misinformation available. Plus lifting free weights can look pretty intimidating but that is the way to go if you want to gain some muscle.

After every set of deadlift i feel like dying.. heart-rate racing totally drained, and I wish it to be over. It is actually something that i don't look forward to. But good training requires doing compound lifts and trying to put more strain on the muscle over time. Not doing arm curls and expecting to get big.

yes the problem is that you must torture yourself. And if you have that willpower you could simply eat less as well. Taking the weights you fell comfortable with doesn't gain you much.

I find it easier to work my ass of for 45-60 min ending up totally drained for 4 times a week then feeling hungry all week long. But you are right people who can workout hard usually are mentally tough and have more self control to stick to a food program.

Or it could be the other way round, you get tough mentally because of working out hard on a regular basis.

That is an interesting thought! I am used to bicycle racing and after you mention it, I agree it may change you mentally. Also the endorphins you release are addictive. You really crave to torture yourself.

[mommysboy]

The trouble with weights in the gym is that you can get in to a comfortable routine that does not do much as CM said, and it is a bit artificial too. But aerobic exercise can help there imho. I make sure I am on the treadmill set at a slight incline to replicate the road, or cross country ski machine, for a good 15 minutes. If you are blowing then you are working. And i do wonder if my simple 30 minute walk to the gym in the midday sun does more good than the rest put together.

To be effective, exercise has to be a bit enjoyable and not too hard or us lesser mortals experience burn out. Activity does not have to be so goal bound, a simple walk in the park, or a spot of gardening is good for body and soul.

[robblok]

The trouble with weights in the gym is that you can get in to a comfortable routine that does not do much as CM said, and it is a bit artificial too. But aerobic exercise can help there imho. I make sure I am on the treadmill set at a slight incline to replicate the road, or cross country ski machine, for a good 15 minutes. If you are blowing then you are working. And i do wonder if my simple 30 minute walk to the gym in the midday sun does more good than the rest put together.

To be effective, exercise has to be a bit enjoyable and not too hard or us lesser mortals experience burn out. Activity does not have to be so goal bound, a simple walk in the park, or a spot of gardening is good for body and soul.

Comfortable.. routine.. that is not training.. I can tell you unless your doing HITT on that treadmill you don't even come close to what I do in the weight room. Comfortable routines that is not for people who hit the free weights that is for those who use fitness machines.

[mommysboy]

The trouble with weights in the gym is that you can get in to a comfortable routine that does not do much as CM said, and it is a bit artificial too. But aerobic exercise can help there imho. I make sure I am on the treadmill set at a slight incline to replicate the road, or cross country ski machine, for a good 15 minutes. If you are blowing then you are working. And i do wonder if my simple 30 minute walk to the gym in the midday sun does more good than the rest put together.

To be effective, exercise has to be a bit enjoyable and not too hard or us lesser mortals experience burn out. Activity does not have to be so goal bound, a simple walk in the park, or a spot of gardening is good for body and soul.

Comfortable.. routine.. that is not training.. I can tell you unless your doing HITT on that treadmill you don't even come close to what I do in the weight room. Comfortable routines that is not for people who hit the free weights that is for those who use fitness machines.

I do intermittent bursts on the treadmill. And use freeweights and machines. Generally I'll put a big effort in on 1 or 2 sets nothing on the scale of what I used to do. You can't compare the training effect of weights with that of aerobics. Both are important though. But neither match going out and having a game of football though (sadly really beyond me these days).

My main point is that you really don't need to torture yourself on the treadmill or push weights like Arnie to benefit. Ok, you get a kick out of it, but many like me just like to keep fit.

[h90]

The trouble with weights in the gym is that you can get in to a comfortable routine that does not do much as CM said, and it is a bit artificial too. But aerobic exercise can help there imho. I make sure I am on the treadmill set at a slight incline to replicate the road, or cross country ski machine, for a good 15 minutes. If you are blowing then you are working. And i do wonder if my simple 30 minute walk to the gym in the midday sun does more good than the rest put together.

To be effective, exercise has to be a bit enjoyable and not too hard or us lesser mortals experience burn out. Activity does not have to be so goal bound, a simple walk in the park, or a spot of gardening is good for body and soul.

Well 15 min treadmill is what the body needs to be ready for most people. I need more like 20-30 min until I can really start.

I think 45 min is the minimum for having effect, but it gets terrible boring.....

Generally if you want to have some improvements you must go out of the comfortable zone. Of course some light exercises are also good and healthy but I think even more boring than hard one.

[h90]

The trouble with weights in the gym is that you can get in to a comfortable routine that does not do much as CM said, and it is a bit artificial too. But aerobic exercise can help there imho. I make sure I am on the treadmill set at a slight incline to replicate the road, or cross country ski machine, for a good 15 minutes. If you are blowing then you are working. And i do wonder if my simple 30 minute walk to the gym in the midday sun does more good than the rest put together.

To be effective, exercise has to be a bit enjoyable and not too hard or us lesser mortals experience burn out. Activity does not have to be so goal bound, a simple walk in the park, or a spot of gardening is good for body and soul.

Comfortable.. routine.. that is not training.. I can tell you unless your doing HITT on that treadmill you don't even come close to what I do in the weight room. Comfortable routines that is not for people who hit the free weights that is for those who use fitness machines.

I do intermittent bursts on the treadmill. And use freeweights and machines. Generally I'll put a big effort in on 1 or 2 sets nothing on the scale of what I used to do. You can't compare the training effect of weights with that of aerobics. Both are important though. But neither match going out and having a game of football though (sadly really beyond me these days).

My main point is that you really don't need to torture yourself on the treadmill or push weights like Arnie to benefit. Ok, you get a kick out of it, but many like me just like to keep fit.

bicycle is a nice alternative, both relaxing and challenging....

[robblok]

The trouble with weights in the gym is that you can get in to a comfortable routine that does not do much as CM said, and it is a bit artificial too. But aerobic exercise can help there imho. I make sure I am on the treadmill set at a slight incline to replicate the road, or cross country ski machine, for a good 15 minutes. If you are blowing then you are working. And i do wonder if my simple 30 minute walk to the gym in the midday sun does more good than the rest put together.

To be effective, exercise has to be a bit enjoyable and not too hard or us lesser mortals experience burn out. Activity does not have to be so goal bound, a simple walk in the park, or a spot of gardening is good for body and soul.

Comfortable.. routine.. that is not training.. I can tell you unless your doing HITT on that treadmill you don't even come close to what I do in the weight room. Comfortable routines that is not for people who hit the free weights that is for those who use fitness machines.

I do intermittent bursts on the treadmill. And use freeweights and machines. Generally I'll put a big effort in on 1 or 2 sets nothing on the scale of what I used to do. You can't compare the training effect of weights with that of aerobics. Both are important though. But neither match going out and having a game of football though (sadly really beyond me these days).

My main point is that you really don't need to torture yourself on the treadmill or push weights like Arnie to benefit. Ok, you get a kick out of it, but many like me just like to keep fit.

First of if you want to keep the status quo and some benefits then train like you train. Its good enough for people who don't want much out of their sessions. But of course it has benefits and it is better as doing nothing. I have bad days too and then I just do what needs to be done as its better as nothing. The reason why you think your game of football is heavier is because you like it and you give it all.

I do the same in the gym because I like challenging myself, I am never easy on myself not in the gym not in real life. For me a session like you describe it would be boring. I am already not that happy that improvements are hard to make at my level and that I should be happy with minor ones. But such is life and aging. But because I train the way I train I got much more muscle and muscle tone then most.

The reason why many people don't grow much muscle (beside genetics) is that they don't push themselves. To gain muscle you need progressive overload. Meaning one way or the other you need to train heavier as the last time (more volume more weight). That is the only way to progress. Its the same in every sports, the body loves homeostasis and will only improve if you force it to adapt. I know guys that worked out long but never gained muscle because they just did not give it all and probably not ate right.

Even for older guys there is still a lot to improve but you need to get out of your comfort zone.

[robblok]

Just an example (craziness must run in the family) My dad 67 does bike rides up to 40-80km sometimes 5 days or more a week (depending on weather). Before he did less and his body did not change much. Now he changed his diet a bit too and he is loosing his belly has stamina I envy. Got legs and calf muscle many a bodybuilder would want to have. But he is not exercising like his friends, he is taking it a step or 5 up from them. You see the difference. So sure doing things less will have benefits and is a good thing to do. But going further can work magic. The only thing is my dad is a heart patient so he can't go that fast 20km average or sometimes faster because of the beta blockers in his system.

[h90]

Just an example (craziness must run in the family) My dad 67 does bike rides up to 40-80km sometimes 5 days or more a week (depending on weather). Before he did less and his body did not change much. Now he changed his diet a bit too and he is loosing his belly has stamina I envy. Got legs and calf muscle many a bodybuilder would want to have. But he is not exercising like his friends, he is taking it a step or 5 up from them. You see the difference. So sure doing things less will have benefits and is a good thing to do. But going further can work magic. The only thing is my dad is a heart patient so he can't go that fast 20km average or sometimes faster because of the beta blockers in his system.

yes there is something with fat people who start with the bike. I once met one who lost a lot of weight (50 kg?? can't recall), but was still a bit heavy, but also tall. He got legs like a horse. And I, fully trained could hardly follow him in his shadow. (he did a 35++ relaxed over long distance). I could still ride circles around him on mountains. Seems that sport really favors fat people and burns lot of fat because of the long time you exercise.

When your father is doing it regular+lost weight, does he check his heart regularly? Things may improve so he can reduce the beta blocker dose?

Are you sure he goes 40-80 km? Maybe he just goes 3 km and has there a mia noi ..... OK OK I am too long in Thailand already.....

[robblok]

Just an example (craziness must run in the family) My dad 67 does bike rides up to 40-80km sometimes 5 days or more a week (depending on weather). Before he did less and his body did not change much. Now he changed his diet a bit too and he is loosing his belly has stamina I envy. Got legs and calf muscle many a bodybuilder would want to have. But he is not exercising like his friends, he is taking it a step or 5 up from them. You see the difference. So sure doing things less will have benefits and is a good thing to do. But going further can work magic. The only thing is my dad is a heart patient so he can't go that fast 20km average or sometimes faster because of the beta blockers in his system.

yes there is something with fat people who start with the bike. I once met one who lost a lot of weight (50 kg?? can't recall), but was still a bit heavy, but also tall. He got legs like a horse. And I, fully trained could hardly follow him in his shadow. (he did a 35++ relaxed over long distance). I could still ride circles around him on mountains. Seems that sport really favors fat people and burns lot of fat because of the long time you exercise.

When your father is doing it regular+lost weight, does he check his heart regularly? Things may improve so he can reduce the beta blocker dose?

Are you sure he goes 40-80 km? Maybe he just goes 3 km and has there a mia noi ..... OK OK I am too long in Thailand already.....

Unless he is smart enough to fool fitness trackers like endemondo (they show maps of where he has been). He brings his smart phone on his ride and it maps his ride.

He is going to heart specialist often and they have reduced his medicine. They told him most people prefer to take the medicine and not exercise as its too much work. But him doing all this biking made it possible to go lower on medicine.

I am quite proud actually, I did a few bike rides with him when I was back in Holland even though i could keep up and felt no pains the next day i still found it quite a ride. Same when we go snorkeling in the south.. he can go against current and do things that cost me a lot of effort. Thing is people can stay in really good shape if they go a bit extreme. But for most its just too much work.

[h90]

Just an example (craziness must run in the family) My dad 67 does bike rides up to 40-80km sometimes 5 days or more a week (depending on weather). Before he did less and his body did not change much. Now he changed his diet a bit too and he is loosing his belly has stamina I envy. Got legs and calf muscle many a bodybuilder would want to have. But he is not exercising like his friends, he is taking it a step or 5 up from them. You see the difference. So sure doing things less will have benefits and is a good thing to do. But going further can work magic. The only thing is my dad is a heart patient so he can't go that fast 20km average or sometimes faster because of the beta blockers in his system.

yes there is something with fat people who start with the bike. I once met one who lost a lot of weight (50 kg?? can't recall), but was still a bit heavy, but also tall. He got legs like a horse. And I, fully trained could hardly follow him in his shadow. (he did a 35++ relaxed over long distance). I could still ride circles around him on mountains. Seems that sport really favors fat people and burns lot of fat because of the long time you exercise.

When your father is doing it regular+lost weight, does he check his heart regularly? Things may improve so he can reduce the beta blocker dose?

Are you sure he goes 40-80 km? Maybe he just goes 3 km and has there a mia noi ..... OK OK I am too long in Thailand already.....

Unless he is smart enough to fool fitness trackers like endemondo (they show maps of where he has been). He brings his smart phone on his ride and it maps his ride.

He is going to heart specialist often and they have reduced his medicine. They told him most people prefer to take the medicine and not exercise as its too much work. But him doing all this biking made it possible to go lower on medicine.

I am quite proud actually, I did a few bike rides with him when I was back in Holland even though i could keep up and felt no pains the next day i still found it quite a ride. Same when we go snorkeling in the south.. he can go against current and do things that cost me a lot of effort. Thing is people can stay in really good shape if they go a bit extreme. But for most its just too much work.

OK, smart phone is a killer argument.....

yeah a doc at the country side told me that the success rate with exercise and diet for heart is exactly zero percent for elderly women as they just don't do it. I doubt it is much better for men.

[mommysboy]

Guess i am lucky. I don't need to push myself to get a good training effect and weight has never really been an issue save a boozing period in Bkk. But there would be a point where benefits become marginal. I simply don't build muscle after 74kg.

I used to bench free weight 70kg 10 reps, and tops was 80kg 4 reps, which was pretty good on a 70kg skinny frame. But I would often suffer muscle strains, and feel burnt out.

Now at 50 I don't know if it is wise to go over 60kg bench. The goal has changed be reasonably fit, and attend to posture, and the machines really help me with neck and back posture which can be a problem for slimmer taller frames.

And cardiovascular is quite different, eg, when you put in a hard bench sure it is very visceral, a whole body pushed to limit feeling, but you don't pant for long like you do when you do a challenging jog or ride.

[robblok]

Guess i am lucky. I don't need to push myself to get a good training effect and weight has never really been an issue save a boozing period in Bkk. But there would be a point where benefits become marginal. I simply don't build muscle after 74kg.

I used to bench free weight 70kg 10 reps, and tops was 80kg 4 reps, which was pretty good on a 70kg skinny frame. But I would often suffer muscle strains, and feel burnt out.

Now at 50 I don't know if it is wise to go over 60kg bench. The goal has changed be reasonably fit, and attend to posture, and the machines really help me with neck and back posture which can be a problem for slimmer taller frames.

And cardiovascular is quite different, eg, when you put in a hard bench sure it is very visceral, a whole body pushed to limit feeling, but you don't pant for long like you do when you do a challenging jog or ride.

I got the same problem that I just won't put on much more muscle (to be honest I don't really need more muscle). That is a bit of a downer as i like progress. Not that I want more muscle.. I just want progress.

Thing is when we get older progress will be hard but it can be done. I am now at my genetic max probably.

You are right the benefits become marginal though for me there is a big difference between a hard workout and a slow one.

I guess you never done deadlifts because then you pant for a long time and its like doing a sprint, its great for the cardiovascular system. But we can go on forever about debating what is better but its pointless as we both know it should be something enjoyable else you stop doing it.

As for you benching heavy at 50.. i know a guy who did heavier as me over 110 kg and still no problems. Is it wise.. no idea as bench is not the best exercise there is. I know that I will still do it sometimes with dumbells sometimes with barbell.

[cdmtdm]

in reality, if you need to exercise to lose weight, then something is wrong with your diet !! not for cardio improvement ..i mean for weight loss ..think about it ... if you want muscle gain then you have to take your body outside of its normal range ....that is the challenge for most , once you are brave enough your away ... most will stop at the first sign of muscle pain ...

[h90]

in reality, if you need to exercise to lose weight, then something is wrong with your diet !! not for cardio improvement ..i mean for weight loss ..think about it ... if you want muscle gain then you have to take your body outside of its normal range ....that is the challenge for most , once you are brave enough your away ... most will stop at the first sign of muscle pain ...

yes you are right, but it is a nice add. If you are bored and go ride you bicycle for 1 hour it saves 800 kcal. The 200 you burned and the 600 you didn't eat because you were busy ridding the bike

[mommysboy]

Guess i am lucky. I don't need to push myself to get a good training effect and weight has never really been an issue save a boozing period in Bkk. But there would be a point where benefits become marginal. I simply don't build muscle after 74kg.

I used to bench free weight 70kg 10 reps, and tops was 80kg 4 reps, which was pretty good on a 70kg skinny frame. But I would often suffer muscle strains, and feel burnt out.

Now at 50 I don't know if it is wise to go over 60kg bench. The goal has changed be reasonably fit, and attend to posture, and the machines really help me with neck and back posture which can be a problem for slimmer taller frames.

And cardiovascular is quite different, eg, when you put in a hard bench sure it is very visceral, a whole body pushed to limit feeling, but you don't pant for long like you do when you do a challenging jog or ride.

I got the same problem that I just won't put on much more muscle (to be honest I don't really need more muscle). That is a bit of a downer as i like progress. Not that I want more muscle.. I just want progress.

Thing is when we get older progress will be hard but it can be done. I am now at my genetic max probably.

You are right the benefits become marginal though for me there is a big difference between a hard workout and a slow one.

I guess you never done deadlifts because then you pant for a long time and its like doing a sprint, its great for the cardiovascular system. But we can go on forever about debating what is better but its pointless as we both know it should be something enjoyable else you stop doing it.

As for you benching heavy at 50.. i know a guy who did heavier as me over 110 kg and still no problems. Is it wise.. no idea as bench is not the best exercise there is. I know that I will still do it sometimes with dumbells sometimes with barbell.

Now you mention it, no never did deadlifts. Watched other slim jims do it, and thought probably best avoided. I have the sort of build where it is easy for me to damage nape of neck, and that bit just below the neck in between shoulder blades, you know the typical thin look with forward neck. I also avoid pull downs for same reason. I base my workout on bench, squats and military press.

I am not a natural for weights but basically I like the challenge. it's a great activity for mind, body, and soul. When I do them slowly and mindfully getting technique just right then for me that is just like praying or meditation. great feeling and very satisfying. I wish I could convey that feeling to people who fight shy of the gym.

It is a bonus that my muscles are well defined too.

Come to think of it I did bulk up quite a bit when I did heavier squats. Although this was indeed exhausting. Probably the hardest thing I have ever done, used to scream on the last rep, like your body is on fire.

[gilligan]

a few have said it here, it all starts with your mouth.

how you eat will be and always needs to be the first step. this doesn't mean that you are hungry all of the time and it doesn't mean that you are on a "diet".

there are millions of opinions out there on "how to eat". i go with the "kiss" principle (keep it simple stupid). eat "clean" and proper sized portions.

i don't have any portion controls on how much veggies i'll eat less so with my proteins and fats but i do watch closely the portion sizes of my starches.

the working out part is great (assuming you aren't on the stationary bike reading a magazine), but start with what goes into your mouth.

it's not easy (for many people) since like i said, there are millions of opinions out there!

i usually don't post anything on this topic because like i said, there are so many different opinions and "experts" who will disagree with you.

just my 2 cents

[mommysboy]

a few have said it here, it all starts with your mouth.

how you eat will be and always needs to be the first step. this doesn't mean that you are hungry all of the time and it doesn't mean that you are on a "diet".

there are millions of opinions out there on "how to eat". i go with the "kiss" principle (keep it simple stupid). eat "clean" and proper sized portions.

i don't have any portion controls on how much veggies i'll eat less so with my proteins and fats but i do watch closely the portion sizes of my starches.

the working out part is great (assuming you aren't on the stationary bike reading a magazine), but start with what goes into your mouth.

it's not easy (for many people) since like i said, there are millions of opinions out there!

i usually don't post anything on this topic because like i said, there are so many different opinions and "experts" who will disagree with you.

just my 2 cents

No doubt true, but the thread is about fitness and motivation so we talk mainly about exercise. One advantage of fitness training is I can stuff my face full of just about anything, which is good because I am a donut freak.

Once I did see a bird on one of those waist trim machines with the belts, she was slouched against the wall, talking on the phone. It was hilarious to see, wish I'd have taken a video on my mobile but thought it not nice. And at the uni where I used to teach one of the students was draped over an exercise bike like a very lazy cat. Somehow her body contorted to the contours of the whole machine.

[gilligan]

sorry mommysboy,

i didn't realize the thread topic. i just read someone's post about trying to ose weight. my mistake.

on another (but similar) note, I am planning on moving to Thailand this summer to try to find a job teaching English.

does anyone know the availability and costs of gyms in and around Bangkok?

i know it is a big area (Bangkok).

In Pattaya, I went to a cheap gym (100baht/visit) but no airconditioning which was insane to train in:)

[mommysboy]

Don't apologize good posting. I used to live in Bangkok . 10 yes plus. It is a great place but the heat can be awful and the air pollution got to my sinuses. But it is good for jobs.

There are lots of gyms around it depends which part of town but I would not be concerned they are there. Yes air con is essential

[gilligan]

thanks,

i really hope that i can find a good job relatively quickly.

then i can start my search for a decent gym.

i do a lot of training with resistance bands and body weight so the gym could wait, but i still like my compound movements that i can only do in a gym:)

funny thing is that in a few gyms that i looked at in parttaya there weren't any squat racks which i found to be strange since at home, every gym has a few of those.

[robblok]

I read quite a lot the latest that i read was about how much genetics played a role in weightloss and muscle mass. Its 62% genetics. Natually skinny guys will never have the same problems as people who are heavier set. 2 People starting weight lifting with same amounts of foods same exercise ect will have after a few months different results. Same goes for weight loss, genetics play a major part.

That is not to say we can't change but you can't always become what you want to become.

[h90]

I read quite a lot the latest that i read was about how much genetics played a role in weightloss and muscle mass. Its 62% genetics. Natually skinny guys will never have the same problems as people who are heavier set. 2 People starting weight lifting with same amounts of foods same exercise ect will have after a few months different results. Same goes for weight loss, genetics play a major part.

That is not to say we can't change but you can't always become what you want to become.

Well if you eat too less 100 %, no matter what genetic or hormones will loose weight.

Only when eating too much and still keeping skinny the genetic starts be important.