His Masters Voice Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Just wondering what the general thoughts are on this subject? I don't even have basic Thai. Despite coming here for years and now living here I know maybe 100/200 words, language doesn't come easily to me. My various Thai Partners over the years have always taken care of that part, so it hasn't been a stumbling block to enjoy living here. Thai Soaps are well beyond my comprehension. But, also so are simple Village/MoBahn conversations. My understanding of Thai Culture is reasonable and nothing presents itself as a problem thus far. Plus, the In-Laws tend to ignore me because their English is less then my Thai, a benefit maybe? The reason I'm asking now is that a friend and I were discussing this last night while the woman were off elsewhere. When he first came here, he enrolled in a language course as a way of staying in Thailand on an Ed Visa. My wife thinks his Thai is OK. Some tonal errors, but conversational. On reflection, he thinks that maybe my general ignorance of the language is a blessing in disguise. Almost never am I asked for money apart for paying for things as we would in the West. I'm enjoying Thailand for the moment, but I doubt I'll live here forever. I seem to get by OK, I enjoy my time here. Am I missing out not knowing Thai? If I am missing out, what am I missing out on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdiddy Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Advantages and disadvantages, cant have one without the other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Costas2008 Posted January 17, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 17, 2015 You are living in this country and you are asking if you should learn the language? Back in your own country, I bet you insist that foreigners should learn your language if they want to live there? What is different here? Or it's the usual thing.........everybody in this world should speak my language......I'm not going to do the slightest effort to learn theirs as they are beneath me? What you are missing? Everything, as you can't communicate with the native people and you will never know about them. But don't worry it's always TVF to bash them on, as you will never understand them. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMHomeboy78 Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 You are living in this country and you are asking if you should learn the language? Back in your own country, I bet you insist that foreigners should learn your language if they want to live there? What is different here? Or it's the usual thing.........everybody in this world should speak my language......I'm not going to do the slightest effort to learn theirs as they are beneath me? What you are missing? Everything, as you can't communicate with the native people and you will never know about them. But don't worry it's always TVF to bash them on, as you will never understand them. Excellent post, Costas. Insightful and concise. To me, you are the real P.O.T.Y. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post h90 Posted January 17, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 17, 2015 You are living in this country and you are asking if you should learn the language? Back in your own country, I bet you insist that foreigners should learn your language if they want to live there? What is different here? Or it's the usual thing.........everybody in this world should speak my language......I'm not going to do the slightest effort to learn theirs as they are beneath me? What you are missing? Everything, as you can't communicate with the native people and you will never know about them. But don't worry it's always TVF to bash them on, as you will never understand them. Of course everyone should speak my language, but than we lost the war so we all must learn English 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowpostitnotes Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 (edited) The OP states on another thread he knows enough Thai to stop people throwing water on him during Songkran. Now he doesnt "even have basic Thai." How could the OP have an understanding if Thai culture if he cannot speak Thai? Absurd. If the Op lives in Thailand (which seems doubtful) he would know an understanding and ability to speak Thai opens up anew rold of understading of Thailand and its culture. Anyone who thinks they understand Thai culture, without speaking thai, is deluded Edited January 17, 2015 by yellowpostitnotes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post His Masters Voice Posted January 17, 2015 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 17, 2015 You are living in this country and you are asking if you should learn the language? Back in your own country, I bet you insist that foreigners should learn your language if they want to live there? What is different here? Or it's the usual thing.........everybody in this world should speak my language......I'm not going to do the slightest effort to learn theirs as they are beneath me? What you are missing? Everything, as you can't communicate with the native people and you will never know about them. But don't worry it's always TVF to bash them on, as you will never understand them. Replying to the above, I live a comfortable life without learning the language. Around the World there thousands, if not millions of people living in a new country who can't speak the language. To identify one group, many Chinese people live with their daughters and sons who translate and communicate on their behalf. No, I never said that everyone should speak my language, that is something you are wrongly implying and I never say that anyone was 'beneath me'. If I couldn't function here, I would simply just leave. Not all communication is verbal. I have more then a good grasp of the Thai people through observation. The spoken word plays only a small part in communication. You might be enlightened by reading this. Tips for Understanding Nonverbal Communication I don't mean to single out your reply, but yours did seem to be the angriest. Do you believe everything you are 'told' in Thailand. Sometimes observational reference points are a far better indicator for truthfullness then what you are being told as a fact. Thanks for taking the time to reply. Has anyone learnt the Language and then thought some of the banality you hear on a daily basis, you wish you didn't have to endure? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy chef 1 Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 You are living in this country and you are asking if you should learn the language? Back in your own country, I bet you insist that foreigners should learn your language if they want to live there? What is different here? Or it's the usual thing.........everybody in this world should speak my language......I'm not going to do the slightest effort to learn theirs as they are beneath me? What you are missing? Everything, as you can't communicate with the native people and you will never know about them. But don't worry it's always TVF to bash them on, as you will never understand them. everybody in this world should speak my language... this is just expected by native English speakers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His Masters Voice Posted January 17, 2015 Author Share Posted January 17, 2015 The OP states on another thread he knows enough Thai to stop people throwing water on him during Songkran. Now he doesnt "even have basic Thai." I know how to say that I don't want water thrown on me. You also underestimate the human understanding of Body Language. My concept of 'basic Thai' is the ability to have a basic conversation in Thai, which I can't. Here's an example. A Thai Taxi driver will know some elementary basics of English which are common phrases used often by English speaking people. It's essentially rote learning. Ask him to use those same English words in a different context and he won't know. So he has basic communication but not more then that. He can understand 'basic English', but can 'use' basic English. I'm not proud nor boasting that I don't speak or read Thai. I enjoy living here. This question came from a recent conversation. Anyone else enjoying living in Thailand without really knowing the language? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post villagefarang Posted January 17, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 17, 2015 I am amazed at guys who in their dotage, feeling lonely, with no savings and unable to afford a decent life on their government payments, think it is a good idea to pack up and move to a country where they can’t speak the language, don’t understand the customs and struggle to meet the financial requirements for a visa. To top it off they end up relying on relatively uneducated girls who speak barely enough English to get a guy into their bed, as their translator and guide, through this new world they do not understand. Most of the problems and rants I read on TVF would simply not be a problem if one were able to speak Thai and knew how to navigate the system as it is, instead of yelling in English how everything needs to be changed to make it easier for them. The Thais get blamed for everything wrong in their lives, when they played no role in their misguided decision to move here in the first place. Yes, it is important to learn the language of any country you choose to live in. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costas2008 Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 You are living in this country and you are asking if you should learn the language? Back in your own country, I bet you insist that foreigners should learn your language if they want to live there? What is different here? Or it's the usual thing.........everybody in this world should speak my language......I'm not going to do the slightest effort to learn theirs as they are beneath me? What you are missing? Everything, as you can't communicate with the native people and you will never know about them. But don't worry it's always TVF to bash them on, as you will never understand them. everybody in this world should speak my language... this is just expected by native English speakers... It's your turn now Crazy Chef. Not only by native English speakers. Don't forget about your own country, that I believe is Germany, people have been bashing the Turks and the Greeks because they did't speak German. You invited them in your country as you didn't have sufficient labour and then you turned against them asking them to go back to their country as many couldn't speak your language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy chef 1 Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 You are living in this country and you are asking if you should learn the language? Back in your own country, I bet you insist that foreigners should learn your language if they want to live there? What is different here? Or it's the usual thing.........everybody in this world should speak my language......I'm not going to do the slightest effort to learn theirs as they are beneath me? What you are missing? Everything, as you can't communicate with the native people and you will never know about them. But don't worry it's always TVF to bash them on, as you will never understand them. everybody in this world should speak my language... this is just expected by native English speakers... It's your turn now Crazy Chef. Not only by native English speakers. Don't forget about your own country, that I believe is Germany, people have been bashing the Turks and the Greeks because they did't speak German. You invited them in your country as you didn't have sufficient labour and then you turned against them asking them to go back to their country as many couldn't speak your language. what you are talking about was the western part- i come from the eastern part where we learned at an early age to communicate in Russian. didn't have any Turkish or Greek people there just some Vietnamese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samsensam Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 i dont speak thai and as i dont hang around with lower educated thai's who cant speak english it isn't a problem. sure, if i intended to date/marry such girls i'd learn the language otherwise how do you communicate? in my experience due to the lack of freedom of speech in the media here, the dirge on tv and the fact that most thai's dont read books unless a thai has had a good education and/or travelled abroad they dont have that much interesting to say. and what they do say usually lacks perspective and/or insightful context. so i have no motivation and dont see advantages of learning the language. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CharlieH Posted January 17, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 17, 2015 Having at least basic Thai gives you a degree of independence you wouldn't otherwise enjoy. Unless of course you live and stay in a tourist area where English is widely used. Travelling around the country and off the not so beaten track I would say its more of a requirement. Just to deal with basic things unless you want to remain totally reliant on another, which is not an ideal situation in my opinion. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 (edited) I bet all the GOMS that don't even speak basic Thai are the same GOMS commenting on immigrants not speaking their language back in their home country. Anyone not seeing the use of the Thai language at least the basis is crazy and lazy. Just making up excuses why its not important. I speak enough Thai to get some things sorted and be independent, my Thai is far from perfect but slowly working on it. I guess native English speakers in general are lazy. Edited January 17, 2015 by robblok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nayet Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I would hate not having a clue what people around me are talking about, not being able to read simple signs, especially traffic signs. Most of the street food stands in my area have menus in Thai only, and not being able to read them would definitely be a handicap. It is hard for me to relate to any long term resident who does not care enough to learn Thai. Of course, if I did not find Thai language interesting and exciting to learn, the purely practical reasons for doing so probably wouldn't be enough to make me do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His Masters Voice Posted January 17, 2015 Author Share Posted January 17, 2015 I am amazed at guys who in their dotage, feeling lonely, with no savings and unable to afford a decent life on their government payments, think it is a good idea to pack up and move to a country where they can’t speak the language, don’t understand the customs and struggle to meet the financial requirements for a visa. To top it off they end up relying on relatively uneducated girls who speak barely enough English to get a guy into their bed, as their translator and guide, through this new world they do not understand. Most of the problems and rants I read on TVF would simply not be a problem if one were able to speak Thai and knew how to navigate the system as it is, instead of yelling in English how everything needs to be changed to make it easier for them. The Thais get blamed for everything wrong in their lives, when they played no role in their misguided decision to move here in the first place. Yes, it is important to learn the language of any country you choose to live in. I agree, in reference to your opening point. Thankfully, I am not one of them. I hope that second sentence is not directed at me as it is well wide of the mark. To those who have learnt the language, I salute you. For me, I'm just happy to live life in Thailand without the compulsive desire to learn their language. Limits me in some ways, liberates me in other ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ATF Posted January 17, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 17, 2015 Just try to imagine what you would be missing out on in your own country if you couldn't speak the language and were completely illiterate. Think about it for an hour and then decide. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mallyrd Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I have been here for almost 30 years and have never had any interest in learning to read or speak Thai. My current job is with a Thai company who I have worked with for more than seven years, the lack of Thai language skills certainly has not done me any harm with this company or with the social circle that I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZBill Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Not at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickstart Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Me and the misses ,run a smallholding rearing a few cattle,and growing a few crops,and I speak Thai ,and I am glad I do ,for if I what to to go and buy ,say a bag of nails, or some feed, I not want to have and drag the misses out to translate ,I just go on my own,same with a lot of other things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 i cant remember what i had for breakfast let alone any thai words 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I bet all the GOMS that don't even speak basic Thai are the same GOMS commenting on immigrants not speaking their language back in their home country. Anyone not seeing the use of the Thai language at least the basis is crazy and lazy. Just making up excuses why its not important. I speak enough Thai to get some things sorted and be independent, my Thai is far from perfect but slowly working on it. I guess native English speakers in general are lazy. whats GOMS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptHaddock Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 I don't even have basic Thai.Despite coming here for years and now living here I know maybe 100/200 words,language doesn't come easily to me. Learning a new language doesn't come easily to anyone. Those who succeed at it put in a lot of work to do so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Water Buffalo Posted January 18, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 18, 2015 You learn more about the people when you can understand what they say and they don't know you can. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post n210mp Posted January 18, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 18, 2015 You are living in this country and you are asking if you should learn the language? Back in your own country, I bet you insist that foreigners should learn your language if they want to live there? What is different here? Or it's the usual thing.........everybody in this world should speak my language......I'm not going to do the slightest effort to learn theirs as they are beneath me? What you are missing? Everything, as you can't communicate with the native people and you will never know about them. But don't worry it's always TVF to bash them on, as you will never understand them. Hello Costas First let me say that I am a keen follower of your posts, threads but in this thread Costas I think you have missed the point and are really being totally unfair to the OP who if I read the same OP as you , is actually asking for some direction with regard to practical matters. I didn't see or read any intention of Thai bashing at all, just a genuine question, possibly there are reasons for not taking up or learning any other language other than your own for some people resident here in Thailand. I am living in this Country as well Costas and I have exactly the same thoughts as the OP on attempting to learn the Thai language at my age. I have made attempts to learn though but the diverse tonal sounds usually finish up with me abusing my MIL who laughs , understands completely the difficulty and gives me a hug for at least attempting to have a conversation with her, same with the rest of my amazing Thai family and so i just gave up. I do find it very hard to learn anything new or different or simply outside of my mental comfort zone, like for instance how to set up an Android box. which my 12 year grandson would do in a nano second. Maybe mental laziness is more of a reason not to bother and same as the OPs situation my wife takes care of all the day to day running of the house and yes I am one of those "cosseted " husbands that was the centre of a thread some time ago. (And just loving every minute of it) You also were a bit unfair when you mentioned "In your own Country" about foreigners should learn the language. If these people were economic migrants, coming to Europe for the long term and to better their individual and family environment then I would wholeheartedly agree with your point of view You see Costas like the OP (maybe?) I didn't come here as an immigrant, wanting to better my situation, I came here because my wife wanted to come back to Thailand from Europe where we had been living for the past 16 years or so, she and I were also missing her family, so as Long as I could occasionally go back to the UK to see kids and grandkids, I was happy with the situation. However with hindsight I feel that I should have made more effort and maybe the OP is thinking this as well, If he lives in Pattaya and wants a "learning buddy" then I will have another go at learning the lingo with him. He can PM me if he is interested I hope Costas that I have shown that there are many reason for people, not to bother to learn the Thai language and we must not either forget those who are educationally challenged and for who the task may well be nigh on impossible. Next bit said "Tongue in cheek" In any event Costas, there are those on here who could "better" their own situation by learning how to post in English especially when English is their own Mother tongue! ( Before anyone has a go,) I am not part of the TV Grammar police, just making a valid point as to why some people couldn't learn the Thai language even with the best will in the world and I am very pleased that a person who may be "challenged" in the reading and the writing department has the courage and puts his thoughts or views down on a post 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arunsakda Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 I'd rather not comprehend the vile slurs people are constantly uttering about me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbanda Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 If you are planning to live here for long time, you are in a relationship with a woman not speaking fluent English, with friends and family that do not speak fluent English...you are missing a BIG part of Thailand life and a BIG part of the joy of a good and complete relationship with your partner and Thai people and culture. Unfortunately I do not speak Thai....and feel vey bad about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldragon Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 I'd say think about what you hope to get out of learning Thai and go from there. If you want to be a little more independent and be able to have casual conversations with the people on your soi, then learning a little Thai will be good for you. However, if your intent is to have a better connection with locals and make more Thai friends, then think again. B/c I've found most Thais- even the ones that speak English well- just aren't that interested in foreigners. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post willyumiii Posted January 18, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 18, 2015 You are living in this country and you are asking if you should learn the language? Back in your own country, I bet you insist that foreigners should learn your language if they want to live there? What is different here? Or it's the usual thing.........everybody in this world should speak my language......I'm not going to do the slightest effort to learn theirs as they are beneath me? What you are missing? Everything, as you can't communicate with the native people and you will never know about them. But don't worry it's always TVF to bash them on, as you will never understand them. Of course everyone should speak my language, but than we lost the war so we all must learn English I am from America and I have always said that it is a good thing we won the revolution in the 1700s or Americans would all be speaking English today! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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