Publicus Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 U.S. support for Israel security should not be a partisan issue and has not generally been one. But this situation might make it one. For that I blame mostly Netantahu and Boehner not Obama. Netanyshu has dissed both Obama and Kerry too much. Obama is the U.S. president. Show some freakin' respect. Sent from my Lenovo S820_ROW using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Yes, Netanyahu is convinced the Republican party in the US will serve Israel best and that the Democratic party is now and going forward useless to Israel. This is a false construct by Netanyahu himself and not of Israel itself, nor of most Israelis. Netanyahu is a fanatic who threatens to destroy the entire history of the relationship between the two countries and its peoples. Republicans in control of Congress have their own self-interested reasons to try to exploit Netanyahu's ferocity. The Netanyahu DisasterThe Israeli prime minister has two main tasks, and he's failing at both http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/01/Netanyahu-vs-Obama-on-Iran/384849/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ulysses G. Posted January 28, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2015 (edited) Inside the White House they said Netanyahu was "chickenshit." The White House exposed Israels plan to attack Iranian nuclear facilities a few years ago and then called Netanyahu "chickenshit" for not going ahead with the raid anyway, which would have been insane. Israel had concluded secret military basing and refueling agreements with Sunni Muslim countries bordering on or near Iran and Azerbaijan had granted Israel warplane refueling rights at airbases in Azerbaijan. The Obama administration purposely leaked the plans. What a bunch of backstabbing hypocrites this administration are. No wonder the Republicans are bypassing them. Edited January 28, 2015 by Ulysses G. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Publicus Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Inside the White House they said Netanyahu was "chickenshit." The White House exposed Israels plan to attack Iranian nuclear facilities a few years ago and then called Netanyahu "chickenshit" for not going ahead with the raid anyway. Israel had concluded secret military basing and refueling agreements with Sunni Muslim countries bordering on or near Iran and Azerbaijan had granted Israel warplane refueling rights at airbases in Azerbaijan. The Obama administration purposely leaked the plans. What a bunch of backstabbing hypocrites they are. The sources of the post would be of some significance of course. The best course of action would be not to attack and Israeli intelligence and the military agree. We have to keep Iran talking and Bibi silent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 We have to keep Obama from making a stupid deal, but that is easier said than done. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chuckd Posted January 28, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2015 To continue talking is exactly what Iran and the Mullahs want. They've been talking to this administration over six years now with no appreciable progress made...unless you count the six years as time spent developing nuclear weapons. Obama and the world are being taken to the wood shed by the Iranians. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 We have to keep Obama from making a stupid deal, but that is easier said than done. I agree with that goal but are Netanyahu and Boehner really helping by corrupting this issue with domestic U.S. partisan politics? You can't act like there isn't a sitting president even if you don't like him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 You can't act like there isn't a sitting president even if you don't like him. Sure you can. Congress are a coequal branch of government and there are lots of democrats as well as republicans that do not trust this president to stop the Iranians from enriching uranium. It is too important of an issue to let him sell us all out and pretend that it was an "accomplishment". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Publicus Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 To continue talking is exactly what Iran and the Mullahs want. They've been talking to this administration over six years now with no appreciable progress made...unless you count the six years as time spent developing nuclear weapons. Obama and the world are being taken to the wood shed by the Iranians. That is political paranoia and a cultural inferiority complex....what, are the Iranians superior beings or some such that we have to hammer 'em between the eyes? No, the Iranians are not superior beings. The P5+1 are the negotiators at the conference table opposite the ayatollahs and their gang. That is the United States, the United Kingdom, France, the PRChina, Russia and beyond that Germany. Anyone who thinks the entire UN Security Council membership plus the German government against Iran are getting fleeced by Iran needs to take a self-confidence building course to get up to speed with the rest of us in dealing with ayatollahs who are after all the descendants of the Persians. The ayatollahs are in fact rational players. People here need to ask themselves whether the ayatollahs are more crazy than Kim Jong Un to include Kim's father and his grandfather who founded the DPRK up north there. Who is crazier, Kim or the ayatollahs....neither is crazy and neither is suicidal. Kim is more zany, but neither bunch are insane lunatics who want to blow up others or want to get themselves blown up so they can swirl down the drain flags flying and singing praises to the next life. Some people actually think and believe the Iranians among some others are smarter than a 5th grader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Publicus Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 You can't act like there isn't a sitting president even if you don't like him. Sure you can. Congress are a coequal branch of government and there are lots of democrats as well as republicans that do not trust this president to stop the Iranians from enriching uranium. It is too important of an issue to let him sell us all out and pretend that it was an "accomplishment". Rightists don't get the Constitution in many ways, one of which is that the Constitution and the Supreme Court establish the president as the foreign policy and international relations chief of the United States government. Congress can invite whomever it wants to speak before it but Congress is not in charge of the international relations or foreign policies of the United States Government. The president is in charge. The far right has a lot of trouble understanding and comprehending the Constitution, and this is yet another instance of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ulysses G. Posted January 28, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2015 To continue talking is exactly what Iran and the Mullahs want. They've been talking to this administration over six years now with no appreciable progress made...unless you count the six years as time spent developing nuclear weapons. Obama and the world are being taken to the wood shed by the Iranians. That is political paranoia and a cultural inferiority complex....what, are the Iranians superior beings or some such that we have to hammer 'em between the eyes? No, the Iranians are not superior beings. They have proven themselves superior to the Obama administration when it comes to their nuclear program. They have successfully kept him negotiating for many years, while improving their nuclear program to the point where many experts believe it would only take a few months to produce nuclear weapon. This president can't be trusted to stop it in time. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 (edited) We have to keep Obama from making a stupid deal, but that is easier said than done. How do you even know what deal is being negotiated? You have to read newspapers. It has been covered there extensively. Edited January 28, 2015 by Ulysses G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckd Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 <snip> Some people actually think and believe the Iranians among some others are smarter than a 5th grader. I lived in Iran for five years. I know the Iranians in control are smarter than a 5th grader. It's Obama and his administration that I have my doubts about. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckd Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 (edited) You can't act like there isn't a sitting president even if you don't like him. Sure you can. Congress are a coequal branch of government and there are lots of democrats as well as republicans that do not trust this president to stop the Iranians from enriching uranium. It is too important of an issue to let him sell us all out and pretend that it was an "accomplishment". Rightists don't get the Constitution in many ways, one of which is that the Constitution and the Supreme Court establish the president as the foreign policy and international relations chief of the United States government. Congress can invite whomever it wants to speak before it but Congress is not in charge of the international relations or foreign policies of the United States Government. The president is in charge. The far right has a lot of trouble understanding and comprehending the Constitution, and this is yet another instance of it. "The president is in charge." He is not in charge of Congress. Tell you what. When Congress begins negotiations with Netanyahu on a peace deal, I promise to write my Congressman and Senator and tell them to cease and desist. Until they do, I don't see anything Congress has done that places the Constitution in any jeopardy. Edit in to add comment. Edited January 28, 2015 by chuckd 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Publicus Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 You can't act like there isn't a sitting president even if you don't like him. Sure you can. Congress are a coequal branch of government and there are lots of democrats as well as republicans that do not trust this president to stop the Iranians from enriching uranium. It is too important of an issue to let him sell us all out and pretend that it was an "accomplishment". Rightists don't get the Constitution in many ways, one of which is that the Constitution and the Supreme Court establish the president as the foreign policy and international relations chief of the United States government. Congress can invite whomever it wants to speak before it but Congress is not in charge of the international relations or foreign policies of the United States Government. The president is in charge. The far right has a lot of trouble understanding and comprehending the Constitution, and this is yet another instance of it. "The president is in charge." He is not in charge of Congress. Tell you what. When Congress begins negotiations with Netanyahu on a peace deal, I promise to write my Congressman and Senator and tell them to cease and desist. Until they do, I don't see anything Congress has done that places the Constitution in any jeopardy. Edit in to add comment. I've posted repeatedly to the thread that the Constitution and the Supreme Court say the president determines the international relations and policies of the United States. But the rightists here don't get it and keep avoiding the Constitution except for the way you like the Constitution to read. I'll call the rightists out on this each and every time and anyone can post all the horses they like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Publicus Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 To continue talking is exactly what Iran and the Mullahs want. They've been talking to this administration over six years now with no appreciable progress made...unless you count the six years as time spent developing nuclear weapons. Obama and the world are being taken to the wood shed by the Iranians. That is political paranoia and a cultural inferiority complex....what, are the Iranians superior beings or some such that we have to hammer 'em between the eyes? No, the Iranians are not superior beings. They have proven themselves superior to the Obama administration when it comes to their nuclear program. They have successfully kept him negotiating for many years, while improving their nuclear program to the point where many experts believe it would only take a few months to produce nuclear weapon. This president can't be trusted to stop it in time. Negotiations work to the advantage of the P5+1 countries, not to the advantage of Iran. P5+1= United States, United Kingdom, France, PRChina, Russia + Germany. It is unanimous....keep on negotiating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ggold Posted January 28, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2015 U.S. support for Israel security should not be a partisan issue and has not generally been one. But this situation might make it one. For that I blame mostly Netantahu and Boehner not Obama. Netanyshu has dissed both Obama and Kerry too much. Obama is the U.S. president. Show some freakin' respect. Sent from my Lenovo S820_ROW using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Respect is earned not given. Just because you are the president of the US of A, doesn't mean you are entitled to respect. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 It's the office that commands respect. Right wingers amuse me because they would be super offended if a foreign leader dissed a prez they liked the same way. Sent from my Lenovo S820_ROW using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggold Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 It's the office that commands respect. Right wingers amuse me because they would be super offended if a foreign leader dissed a prez they liked the same way. Sent from my Lenovo S820_ROW using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app there is such a thing as a president bringing disrepute to the office is there not? You can disrespect any president you want, no problem for me. What is arrogant about your statement is the notion that because he is president of the USA a lesser nation must be respectful to that president. Colonial power superiority etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Netanyahu's views on the Iranian threat and the ways to counter it, do not necessarily represent overall Israeli public opinion 'From Ehud Barak to Meir Dagan, Israel’s leading security specialists have, time and again, made clear that even if Iran were to attain the bomb, this would not endanger Israel’s existence.' http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/strenger-than-fiction/netanyahu-must-stop-misusing-the-holocaust-1.409191 Carlo Strenger got it wrong, perhaps in the heat of argument. Barak was actually for an attack, under certain conditions and parameters. Dagan, was more in favor of negotiations and covert ops. Both definitely see a nuclear capable Iran as a threat to Israel. The differences were more to do with how Israel should go about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 You can't act like there isn't a sitting president even if you don't like him. Sure you can. Congress are a coequal branch of government and there are lots of democrats as well as republicans that do not trust this president to stop the Iranians from enriching uranium. It is too important of an issue to let him sell us all out and pretend that it was an "accomplishment". Perhaps these sort of distinctions are appropriate for USA citizens to do, not so sure it is the place of a foreign leader to take a stand on this issue. Accepting the invitation or even keeping quiet about it, amount to taking a stand. This is otherwise known as meddling with the domestic politics of another country. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 It's the office that commands respect. Right wingers amuse me because they would be super offended if a foreign leader dissed a prez they liked the same way. Sent from my Lenovo S820_ROW using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app there is such a thing as a president bringing disrepute to the office is there not? You can disrespect any president you want, no problem for me. What is arrogant about your statement is the notion that because he is president of the USA a lesser nation must be respectful to that president. Colonial power superiority etc. When the greatest strategic asset one's country got is the friendship and support of the World's top dog, it may serve one's national interest to be more respectful (even if one does not feel this way) or at the very least, follow the acceptable diplomatic norms. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tullynagardy Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Always puzzles me why it`s ok for war hungry Israel, the country whos actions contribute to most of the terror around us, is allowed to have nukes but the Iranians aren`t? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Always puzzles me why it`s ok for war hungry Israel, the country whos actions contribute to most of the terror around us, is allowed to have nukes but the Iranians aren`t? Always puzzles me why some posters feel the need to include hyperbole descriptions in their posts, while some do not.... On the off chance that this was a legit question - once a country got nuclear military capability, there are no good options of dismantling it without consent. Israel got its nukes sort of under the radar and while not being a signatory for relevant treaties. Iran's efforts are conducted while under obligation of a treaty and obviously, the World is not paying attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 It's the office that commands respect. Right wingers amuse me because they would be super offended if a foreign leader dissed a prez they liked the same way. Sent from my Lenovo S820_ROW using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app there is such a thing as a president bringing disrepute to the office is there not? You can disrespect any president you want, no problem for me. What is arrogant about your statement is the notion that because he is president of the USA a lesser nation must be respectful to that president. Colonial power superiority etc. They should be mutually respectful of course. Unless the two countries don't wish to remain allies.Sent from my Lenovo S820_ROW using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Always puzzles me why it`s ok for war hungry Israel, the country whos actions contribute to most of the terror around us, is allowed to have nukes but the Iranians aren`t? Israel is war ready. Not the same as hungry. Sent from my Lenovo S820_ROW using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 An inflammatory post has been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 We have to keep Obama from making a stupid deal, but that is easier said than done. How do you even know what deal is being negotiated? You have to read newspapers. It has been covered there extensively. So what's stupid about what they are proposing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ulysses G. Posted January 28, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2015 Read and learn. This whole deal has been mistake after mistake. Syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer said Wednesday on Special Report with Bret Baier that the presidents failure to impose further sanctions on Iran over its nuclear program is yet another broken promise to the American people. Obama promised when he began these negotiations 18 months ago, he had a time limit This was the last ditch negotiation, the last chance for Iran to come clean, Krauthammer said. [Obama] said were going to do this for six months, then we will reimpose sanctions if Iran hasnt [made an agreement] What does he do? He doesnt impose sanctions. He extends talks. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/01/21/krauthammer-on-administrations-iran-policy-this-is-obama-saying-if-like-your/ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beechguy Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Read and learn. This whole deal has been mistake after mistake. Syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer said Wednesday on Special Report with Bret Baier that the presidents failure to impose further sanctions on Iran over its nuclear program is yet another broken promise to the American people. Obama promised when he began these negotiations 18 months ago, he had a time limit This was the last ditch negotiation, the last chance for Iran to come clean, Krauthammer said. [Obama] said were going to do this for six months, then we will reimpose sanctions if Iran hasnt [made an agreement] What does he do? He doesnt impose sanctions. He extends talks. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/01/21/krauthammer-on-administrations-iran-policy-this-is-obama-saying-if-like-your/ Same as the red line for Syria, pretty easy to just back up, rather than just shut up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beechguy Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 It's the office that commands respect. Right wingers amuse me because they would be super offended if a foreign leader dissed a prez they liked the same way. Sent from my Lenovo S820_ROW using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app The way Michelle dissed the Saudi's, by how she was dressed this recent visit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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