rubl Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Well, this is unsurprising. I think even the most ardent of reds could admit that they are responsible for wrongdoings. But the other side getting off with absolutely everything away scott free absolutely defies belief and shows that there is no 'reconciliation' going on here. Just the typical enforcement of the status quo. Us richy BKK types good, you stupid country buffaloes bad. 'gets away with absolutely anything'? "He said NACC members agreed that they had insufficient evidence and information and were therefore unable to come to consensus." Also as love2travel wrote 'This case is very difficult. Armed protesters were involved, government officials had been killed, not a plain vanilla case like many others." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 (edited) Ah, the yellows always get a free pass....history has few exceptions to this. There are a few, but they are far between. The yellow shirt leader is in jail for 20 years while the red shirt leaders are walking free. Even with the reality of the situation so vividly clear some still fly against the face of it. Here are the exceptions you mention just for January this year. 12th of January - The Election Commissioner (EC) on Wednesday decided to throw out several complaints made against alleged election misconducts by former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra during the most recent general election in February, 2014. 13th of January - The Administrative Court on Thursday dismissed a lawsuit filed by 28 Bangkok and Nakhon Pathom residents against former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra in which they demanded compensation for damages from alleged mismanagement of floodwaters by her government in 2011. 21st of January - Former Pheu Thai MP Karoon Hosakul was granted bail after he was found guilty of defaming former Democrat MP Taenkhun Chit-isara 22nd of January - The Criminal Court on Thursday acquitted two former ministers and a member of the Pheu Thai party of defamation charges lodged against them by former finance minister Korn Chatikavanich RED SHIRT LEADER; 27th of January - Jatuporn bailed after receiving a two year jail sentence for defaming a former premier in comments made in 2009. YELLOW SHIRT LEADER; The Appeals Court upheld the lower court’s 20-year jail sentence on yellow shirt leader Sondhi Limthongkul, founder of the Manager Media Group for falsifying loan documents and fraud. Ahh, the reds always get a free pass. January has few exceptions to this. When one side commits most of the crimes logic dictates that that side will be arrested and jailed more often. It is the supporters of that side that scream injustice akin to folk in jail in the west that all feel hard done by and felt they lacked "true" justice. "When one side commits most of the crimes logic dictates that that side will be arrested and jailed more often. It is the supporters of that side that scream injustice akin to folk in jail in the west that all feel hard done by and felt they lacked "true" justice." It's pretty clear that Suthep and his minions committed the majority of the crimes in using violence and intimidation to disrupt the Feb 2014 elections. How many of them have been arrested and jailed? It's pretty clear that the majority of crimes around the 2013/2014 protests lay in the nightly gunfire and grenade attacks on anti-government protesters. Begin of April 2014 the BangkokPost mentioned 100 grenades having been lobbed. So, back to 2010 with terrorists mingling with peaceful protesters and nightly attacks, grenades lobbed at non-red-shirts, police standing aside,etc., etc. UDD leaders still unwilling to acknowledge any knowledge about 'unknowns', Pheu Thai partylist MP and UDD co-leader Korkaew even voting for his own amnesty as if he needed it. Edited February 11, 2015 by rubl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowfactor10 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Ah, the yellows always get a free pass....history has few exceptions to this. There are a few, but they are far between. The yellow shirt leader is in jail for 20 years while the red shirt leaders are walking free. Even with the reality of the situation so vividly clear some still fly against the face of it. Here are the exceptions you mention just for January this year. 12th of January - The Election Commissioner (EC) on Wednesday decided to throw out several complaints made against alleged election misconducts by former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra during the most recent general election in February, 2014. 13th of January - The Administrative Court on Thursday dismissed a lawsuit filed by 28 Bangkok and Nakhon Pathom residents against former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra in which they demanded compensation for damages from alleged mismanagement of floodwaters by her government in 2011. 21st of January - Former Pheu Thai MP Karoon Hosakul was granted bail after he was found guilty of defaming former Democrat MP Taenkhun Chit-isara 22nd of January - The Criminal Court on Thursday acquitted two former ministers and a member of the Pheu Thai party of defamation charges lodged against them by former finance minister Korn Chatikavanich RED SHIRT LEADER; 27th of January - Jatuporn bailed after receiving a two year jail sentence for defaming a former premier in comments made in 2009. YELLOW SHIRT LEADER; The Appeals Court upheld the lower court’s 20-year jail sentence on yellow shirt leader Sondhi Limthongkul, founder of the Manager Media Group for falsifying loan documents and fraud. Ahh, the reds always get a free pass. January has few exceptions to this. When one side commits most of the crimes logic dictates that that side will be arrested and jailed more often. It is the supporters of that side that scream injustice akin to folk in jail in the west that all feel hard done by and felt they lacked "true" justice. "When one side commits most of the crimes logic dictates that that side will be arrested and jailed more often. It is the supporters of that side that scream injustice akin to folk in jail in the west that all feel hard done by and felt they lacked "true" justice." It's pretty clear that Suthep and his minions committed the majority of the crimes in using violence and intimidation to disrupt the Feb 2014 elections. How many of them have been arrested and jailed? It's pretty clear that the majority of crimes around the 2013/2014 protests lay in the nightly gunfire and grenade attacks on anti-government protesters. Begin of April 2014 the BangkokPost mentioned 100 grenades having been lobbed. So, back to 2010 with terrorists mingling with peaceful protesters and nightly attacks, grenades lobbed at non-red-shirts, police standing aside,etc., etc. UDD leaders still unwilling to acknowledge any knowledge about 'unknowns', Pheu Thai partylist MP and UDD co-leader Korkaew even voting for his own amnesty as if he needed it. Were u born in Greece ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lildragon Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Well, this is unsurprising. I think even the most ardent of reds could admit that they are responsible for wrongdoings. But the other side getting off with absolutely everything away scott free absolutely defies belief and shows that there is no 'reconciliation' going on here. Just the typical enforcement of the status quo. Us richy BKK types good, you stupid country buffaloes bad. 'gets away with absolutely anything'? "He said NACC members agreed that they had insufficient evidence and information and were therefore unable to come to consensus." Also as love2travel wrote 'This case is very difficult. Armed protesters were involved, government officials had been killed, not a plain vanilla case like many others." Government in charge now finding 'lack of evidence' against themselves for what they did while also basically being in charge in 2010. But it's ok, we should believe every word these honorable men say 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rubl Posted February 11, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2015 The yellow shirt leader is in jail for 20 years while the red shirt leaders are walking free. Even with the reality of the situation so vividly clear some still fly against the face of it. Here are the exceptions you mention just for January this year. 12th of January - The Election Commissioner (EC) on Wednesday decided to throw out several complaints made against alleged election misconducts by former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra during the most recent general election in February, 2014. 13th of January - The Administrative Court on Thursday dismissed a lawsuit filed by 28 Bangkok and Nakhon Pathom residents against former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra in which they demanded compensation for damages from alleged mismanagement of floodwaters by her government in 2011. 21st of January - Former Pheu Thai MP Karoon Hosakul was granted bail after he was found guilty of defaming former Democrat MP Taenkhun Chit-isara 22nd of January - The Criminal Court on Thursday acquitted two former ministers and a member of the Pheu Thai party of defamation charges lodged against them by former finance minister Korn Chatikavanich RED SHIRT LEADER; 27th of January - Jatuporn bailed after receiving a two year jail sentence for defaming a former premier in comments made in 2009. YELLOW SHIRT LEADER; The Appeals Court upheld the lower court’s 20-year jail sentence on yellow shirt leader Sondhi Limthongkul, founder of the Manager Media Group for falsifying loan documents and fraud. Ahh, the reds always get a free pass. January has few exceptions to this. When one side commits most of the crimes logic dictates that that side will be arrested and jailed more often. It is the supporters of that side that scream injustice akin to folk in jail in the west that all feel hard done by and felt they lacked "true" justice. "When one side commits most of the crimes logic dictates that that side will be arrested and jailed more often. It is the supporters of that side that scream injustice akin to folk in jail in the west that all feel hard done by and felt they lacked "true" justice." It's pretty clear that Suthep and his minions committed the majority of the crimes in using violence and intimidation to disrupt the Feb 2014 elections. How many of them have been arrested and jailed? It's pretty clear that the majority of crimes around the 2013/2014 protests lay in the nightly gunfire and grenade attacks on anti-government protesters. Begin of April 2014 the BangkokPost mentioned 100 grenades having been lobbed. So, back to 2010 with terrorists mingling with peaceful protesters and nightly attacks, grenades lobbed at non-red-shirts, police standing aside,etc., etc. UDD leaders still unwilling to acknowledge any knowledge about 'unknowns', Pheu Thai partylist MP and UDD co-leader Korkaew even voting for his own amnesty as if he needed it. Were u born in Greece ? Would an answer to that question help you with the topic ? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty123 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 The NCAA has two ways of thinking when it comes to the Reds and the Yellows. The Yellows are always right and the Reds always wrong. This is why they will never be an reconciliation here in Thailand. Just mind as well keep the Junta for Life instead of more coups. If you give me your bank account number I transfer you something so you can buy a TV. Red Shirts armed with AK-47 and M16 rifles, barricades full with diesel fuel and collecting fees from passing people, talks about killing people and communist revolutions. Yellow Shirts: group of mostly elderly women who are dangerous for your ears only, peaceful (100% as long as not attacked), friendly to the tourists, party atmosphere, talks about getting rid of corruption and making Thailand better for everyone. collecting money to donate for the poor farmer, etc etc yes the Yellows are right and the Red are wrong! Or you could just search for independent stories from non Thai journalists on the ground on the day of the shootings (key word being independent). Or, keep listening to the totally unbiased Thai press and the current administration for your stories Funny thing is, most of those journos were quite clear about the shootings. Some of those journos did not escape alive. Read into that what you will (although it was probably the reds shooting everyone of course..the ones that didn't run into 'warning' bullets of course) There is nothing more I would like than to see the Thais forget all about the Shinawatras and seek a less self serving mob. However, the fact so many died and nobody is held accountable for a single death is insane. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Ah, the yellows always get a free pass....history has few exceptions to this. There are a few, but they are far between. The yellow shirt leader is in jail for 20 years while the red shirt leaders are walking free. Even with the reality of the situation so vividly clear some still fly against the face of it. Here are the exceptions you mention just for January this year. 12th of January - The Election Commissioner (EC) on Wednesday decided to throw out several complaints made against alleged election misconducts by former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra during the most recent general election in February, 2014. 13th of January - The Administrative Court on Thursday dismissed a lawsuit filed by 28 Bangkok and Nakhon Pathom residents against former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra in which they demanded compensation for damages from alleged mismanagement of floodwaters by her government in 2011. 21st of January - Former Pheu Thai MP Karoon Hosakul was granted bail after he was found guilty of defaming former Democrat MP Taenkhun Chit-isara 22nd of January - The Criminal Court on Thursday acquitted two former ministers and a member of the Pheu Thai party of defamation charges lodged against them by former finance minister Korn Chatikavanich RED SHIRT LEADER; 27th of January - Jatuporn bailed after receiving a two year jail sentence for defaming a former premier in comments made in 2009. YELLOW SHIRT LEADER; The Appeals Court upheld the lower courts 20-year jail sentence on yellow shirt leader Sondhi Limthongkul, founder of the Manager Media Group for falsifying loan documents and fraud. Ahh, the reds always get a free pass. January has few exceptions to this. When one side commits most of the crimes logic dictates that that side will be arrested and jailed more often. It is the supporters of that side that scream injustice akin to folk in jail in the west that all feel hard done by and felt they lacked "true" justice. "When one side commits most of the crimes logic dictates that that side will be arrested and jailed more often. It is the supporters of that side that scream injustice akin to folk in jail in the west that all feel hard done by and felt they lacked "true" justice."It's pretty clear that Suthep and his minions committed the majority of the crimes in using violence and intimidation to disrupt the Feb 2014 elections. How many of them have been arrested and jailed? It's pretty clear that the majority of crimes around the 2013/2014 protests lay in the nightly gunfire and grenade attacks on anti-government protesters. Begin of April 2014 the BangkokPost mentioned 100 grenades having been lobbed. So, back to 2010 with terrorists mingling with peaceful protesters and nightly attacks, grenades lobbed at non-red-shirts, police standing aside,etc., etc. UDD leaders still unwilling to acknowledge any knowledge about 'unknowns', Pheu Thai partylist MP and UDD co-leader Korkaew even voting for his own amnesty as if he needed it. Rubi, you are wearing your yellow glasses and passing judgement on who may be lobbing the grenades. And in 2010, there are snipers and they took out a prominent protestor, international journalists and nurse. And even the court said that army bullets killed the Italian journalist. Yes the same court declned to hear cases by relatives of those killed in the temple and dismissed murder charges of Ahbisit and Sutherp. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Well, this is unsurprising. I think even the most ardent of reds could admit that they are responsible for wrongdoings. But the other side getting off with absolutely everything away scott free absolutely defies belief and shows that there is no 'reconciliation' going on here. Just the typical enforcement of the status quo. Us richy BKK types good, you stupid country buffaloes bad. 'gets away with absolutely anything'? "He said NACC members agreed that they had insufficient evidence and information and were therefore unable to come to consensus." Also as love2travel wrote 'This case is very difficult. Armed protesters were involved, government officials had been killed, not a plain vanilla case like many others." Government in charge now finding 'lack of evidence' against themselves for what they did while also basically being in charge in 2010. But it's ok, we should believe every word these honorable men say Read again. It's the NACC who's doing the investigation and think they need more evidence and information and maybe even more cooperation to get it. In this 'both' sides may be less than forthcoming. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 (edited) The yellow shirt leader is in jail for 20 years while the red shirt leaders are walking free. Even with the reality of the situation so vividly clear some still fly against the face of it. Here are the exceptions you mention just for January this year. 12th of January - The Election Commissioner (EC) on Wednesday decided to throw out several complaints made against alleged election misconducts by former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra during the most recent general election in February, 2014. 13th of January - The Administrative Court on Thursday dismissed a lawsuit filed by 28 Bangkok and Nakhon Pathom residents against former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra in which they demanded compensation for damages from alleged mismanagement of floodwaters by her government in 2011. 21st of January - Former Pheu Thai MP Karoon Hosakul was granted bail after he was found guilty of defaming former Democrat MP Taenkhun Chit-isara 22nd of January - The Criminal Court on Thursday acquitted two former ministers and a member of the Pheu Thai party of defamation charges lodged against them by former finance minister Korn Chatikavanich RED SHIRT LEADER; 27th of January - Jatuporn bailed after receiving a two year jail sentence for defaming a former premier in comments made in 2009. YELLOW SHIRT LEADER; The Appeals Court upheld the lower courts 20-year jail sentence on yellow shirt leader Sondhi Limthongkul, founder of the Manager Media Group for falsifying loan documents and fraud. Ahh, the reds always get a free pass. January has few exceptions to this. When one side commits most of the crimes logic dictates that that side will be arrested and jailed more often. It is the supporters of that side that scream injustice akin to folk in jail in the west that all feel hard done by and felt they lacked "true" justice. "When one side commits most of the crimes logic dictates that that side will be arrested and jailed more often. It is the supporters of that side that scream injustice akin to folk in jail in the west that all feel hard done by and felt they lacked "true" justice."It's pretty clear that Suthep and his minions committed the majority of the crimes in using violence and intimidation to disrupt the Feb 2014 elections. How many of them have been arrested and jailed? It's pretty clear that the majority of crimes around the 2013/2014 protests lay in the nightly gunfire and grenade attacks on anti-government protesters. Begin of April 2014 the BangkokPost mentioned 100 grenades having been lobbed. So, back to 2010 with terrorists mingling with peaceful protesters and nightly attacks, grenades lobbed at non-red-shirts, police standing aside,etc., etc. UDD leaders still unwilling to acknowledge any knowledge about 'unknowns', Pheu Thai partylist MP and UDD co-leader Korkaew even voting for his own amnesty as if he needed it. Rubi, you are wearing your yellow glasses and passing judgement on who may be lobbing the grenades. And in 2010, there are snipers and they took out a prominent protestor, international journalists and nurse. And even the court said that army bullets killed the Italian journalist. Yes the same court declned to hear cases by relatives of those killed in the temple and dismissed murder charges of Ahbisit and Sutherp. Ah, you mean those grenades in 2013/2014 were lobbed by the anti-government protesters themselves maybe? And now who's passing judgement? The Court of Inquiry ruled on possibilities without being able to prove. The renegade general Seh Daeng may well be targeted by army personnel, but also his 'own' side was getting annoyed with him. The Japanese reporter may have been killed by army personel while retreating from heavily armed 'peaceful protesters', same with the Italian photographer. The nurse case is equally unclear, armed militants were still around firing at army personel. So, the Criminal Court threw out a charge of "premeditated murder as private persons' and suggested the OAG to follow the correct prosecure and when they think to have enough proof to charge Abhisit/Suthep' with 'abuse of power' at the Supreme Court for Political Office Holders. If the DSi hadn't tried to 'speed things up' and force the OAG into the Criminal Court path (or should I say if the Great Thinker hadn't pushed for it) the NACC/OAG could have spent more time of such case. Now they even had the police airdrop warrants to find Suthep and have the army deliver him to the court. Edited February 11, 2015 by rubl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lildragon Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Well, this is unsurprising. I think even the most ardent of reds could admit that they are responsible for wrongdoings. But the other side getting off with absolutely everything away scott free absolutely defies belief and shows that there is no 'reconciliation' going on here. Just the typical enforcement of the status quo. Us richy BKK types good, you stupid country buffaloes bad. 'gets away with absolutely anything'? "He said NACC members agreed that they had insufficient evidence and information and were therefore unable to come to consensus." Also as love2travel wrote 'This case is very difficult. Armed protesters were involved, government officials had been killed, not a plain vanilla case like many others." Government in charge now finding 'lack of evidence' against themselves for what they did while also basically being in charge in 2010. But it's ok, we should believe every word these honorable men say Read again. It's the NACC who's doing the investigation and think they need more evidence and information and maybe even more cooperation to get it. In this 'both' sides may be less than forthcoming. Ahh good ol' 'independent' government agencies in Thailand. Never fraught with bias, just like the EC Suthep (yes I know the thread isn't solely about him yada yada yada) will never spend a day in his life behind bars although the man is a crook of Thaksin-esque proportions, he just runs with the right team is all. Dress it up however you want, justice should be fair to all, here in Thailand it is so blatantly branded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 'gets away with absolutely anything'? "He said NACC members agreed that they had insufficient evidence and information and were therefore unable to come to consensus." Also as love2travel wrote 'This case is very difficult. Armed protesters were involved, government officials had been killed, not a plain vanilla case like many others." Government in charge now finding 'lack of evidence' against themselves for what they did while also basically being in charge in 2010. But it's ok, we should believe every word these honorable men say Read again. It's the NACC who's doing the investigation and think they need more evidence and information and maybe even more cooperation to get it. In this 'both' sides may be less than forthcoming. Ahh good ol' 'independent' government agencies in Thailand. Never fraught with bias, just like the EC Suthep (yes I know the thread isn't solely about him yada yada yada) will never spend a day in his life behind bars although the man is a crook of Thaksin-esque proportions, he just runs with the right team is all. Dress it up however you want, justice should be fair to all, here in Thailand it is so blatantly branded. I'm not dressing anything up, I'm only reading the topic aloud for you. As for your last sentence, that a different topic which has nothing to do with the topic here. Unless you have proof the NACC has enough information and evidence to convince the OAG to start the "abuse of power" case with the Supreme Court for Political Office Holders. I will assume you're not suggesting the NACC just drops all of this. That would be unfair, even former PM Somchai gets his day in court to defend himself and rehabilitate his good name and standing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickirs Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 As much as I find NACC politically motivated in some of its investigations with regard to priorities, I don't think it made little difference if the NACC can be faulted for appearing to have delayed its investigation into the Abhisit-Suthep government possible complicity in protester deaths in 2010. In fact its investigation now is an unusually quick response. - August 2012 that DSI interviewed both government officials regarding their "handling" of the red shirt inspired protests; - December 2013 Abhisit was indicted for murder and the Administrative Criminal Court accepted to hear the case; - Suthep was also charged, but not indicted because he did not attend the court hearing with Abhisit; - DSI issued an arrest warrant for Suthep but the Royal Thai Police failed to arrest him; - May 2014 Suthep was arrested by Junta-directed military officers and released on bail; - August 2014 the court on Thursday dismissed charges of murder and abuse of power against both - February 2015 NACC to investigate charges The court ruled that it didn't have jurisdiction to try them because both were "holders of public office at the time and acting under a [state] ordered emergency decree." Therefore, it ruled that the authority to consider the allegations was the Supreme Court's Criminal Division for Holders of Political Positions. The NACC was then invited to review the cases for possible indictments and prosecution. Between then and now the NACC seems to have given priority to the impeachment of Yingluck and associated ministers. Once Yingluck's impeachment was announced, NACC moved to investigate charges against Abhisit and Suthep. NACC could have justified further delay to enjoin in the criminal prosecution of Yingluck. Major fault seems more to lay with the criminal court for wasting almost 18 months before deciding NOT to take the case. And the reason given was based on a constitutionally required judicial process that the court should have understood. I suggest that NACC examine the court for its suspicious delay as a potential abuse of power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 The yellow shirt leader is in jail for 20 years while the red shirt leaders are walking free. Even with the reality of the situation so vividly clear some still fly against the face of it. Here are the exceptions you mention just for January this year. 12th of January - The Election Commissioner (EC) on Wednesday decided to throw out several complaints made against alleged election misconducts by former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra during the most recent general election in February, 2014. 13th of January - The Administrative Court on Thursday dismissed a lawsuit filed by 28 Bangkok and Nakhon Pathom residents against former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra in which they demanded compensation for damages from alleged mismanagement of floodwaters by her government in 2011. 21st of January - Former Pheu Thai MP Karoon Hosakul was granted bail after he was found guilty of defaming former Democrat MP Taenkhun Chit-isara 22nd of January - The Criminal Court on Thursday acquitted two former ministers and a member of the Pheu Thai party of defamation charges lodged against them by former finance minister Korn ChatikavanichRED SHIRT LEADER;27th of January - Jatuporn bailed after receiving a two year jail sentence for defaming a former premier in comments made in 2009.YELLOW SHIRT LEADER;The Appeals Court upheld the lower courts 20-year jail sentence on yellow shirt leader Sondhi Limthongkul, founder of the Manager Media Group for falsifying loan documents and fraud.Ahh, the reds always get a free pass. January has few exceptions to this.When one side commits most of the crimes logic dictates that that side will be arrested and jailed more often. It is the supporters of that side that scream injustice akin to folk in jail in the west that all feel hard done by and felt they lacked "true" justice. "When one side commits most of the crimes logic dictates that that side will be arrested and jailed more often. It is the supporters of that side that scream injustice akin to folk in jail in the west that all feel hard done by and felt they lacked "true" justice."It's pretty clear that Suthep and his minions committed the majority of the crimes in using violence and intimidation to disrupt the Feb 2014 elections. How many of them have been arrested and jailed? It's pretty clear that the majority of crimes around the 2013/2014 protests lay in the nightly gunfire and grenade attacks on anti-government protesters. Begin of April 2014 the BangkokPost mentioned 100 grenades having been lobbed.So, back to 2010 with terrorists mingling with peaceful protesters and nightly attacks, grenades lobbed at non-red-shirts, police standing aside,etc., etc. UDD leaders still unwilling to acknowledge any knowledge about 'unknowns', Pheu Thai partylist MP and UDD co-leader Korkaew even voting for his own amnesty as if he needed it. Rubi, you are wearing your yellow glasses and passing judgement on who may be lobbing the grenades. And in 2010, there are snipers and they took out a prominent protestor, international journalists and nurse. And even the court said that army bullets killed the Italian journalist. Yes the same court declned to hear cases by relatives of those killed in the temple and dismissed murder charges of Ahbisit and Sutherp. Ah, you mean those grenades in 2013/2014 were lobbed by the anti-government protesters themselves maybe? And now who's passing judgement?The Court of Inquiry ruled on possibilities without being able to prove. The renegade general Seh Daeng may well be targeted by army personnel, but also his 'own' side was getting annoyed with him. The Japanese reporter may have been killed by army personel while retreating from heavily armed 'peaceful protesters', same with the Italian photographer. The nurse case is equally unclear, armed militants were still around firing at army personel.So, the Criminal Court threw out a charge of "premeditated murder as private persons' and suggested the OAG to follow the correct prosecure and when they think to have enough proof to charge Abhisit/Suthep' with 'abuse of power' at the Supreme Court for Political Office Holders. If the DSi hadn't tried to 'speed things up' and force the OAG into the Criminal Court path (or should I say if the Great Thinker hadn't pushed for it) the NACC/OAG could have spent more time of such case. Now they even had the police airdrop warrants to find Suthep and have the army deliver him to the court. Rubi, lots of maybe by you. Admit that you really dont know the real facts. I didn't hint at anyone but you purposefully did. As for Sutherp, not hard to find and they found him, served him a court summon for appearance and he refused. Remembered the friendly court also refused to serve him an arrest warrant when he held Bangkok hostage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lildragon Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 (edited) "I can't go to court now, I'm busy crippling Bangkok" "Ok Mr Suthep, we are blatantly sympathetic to your cause when we are SUPPOSED to be impartial, come in when you can, if ever, dear" Didn't he promise to turn himself in when he "won". Yet he became a monk and all seems to be forgiven. Edited February 11, 2015 by lildragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy67 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 If you are rich and powerful and yellow you can do what you want. You can kill, you can steal, you can rob. If you are military you can shoot fish in a bucket and you are untouchable. You are the NACC, the NLA, the NCPO, the courts and the independent agencies. You are the Bangkok business and Government Official elite. This is your country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 I challenge any of the self appointed experts and critics on this topic to actually state how they would have handled the riots in 2010 if they had been in charge - I don't expect I will be answered If you have no clue which seems to be the case for the red apologists posting here then you have no justification for even posting about it So go ahead lets hear it or perhaps not - right ? and if you want to question my credentials - I've been there done that Now run along and find a topic that you can actually talk about from experience, I'll assume that's going to very limited 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbthailand Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Ah, the yellows always get a free pass....history has few exceptions to this. There are a few, but they are far between. The yellow shirt leader is in jail for 20 years while the red shirt leaders are walking free. Even with the reality of the situation so vividly clear some still fly against the face of it. Here are the exceptions you mention just for January this year. 12th of January - The Election Commissioner (EC) on Wednesday decided to throw out several complaints made against alleged election misconducts by former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra during the most recent general election in February, 2014. 13th of January - The Administrative Court on Thursday dismissed a lawsuit filed by 28 Bangkok and Nakhon Pathom residents against former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra in which they demanded compensation for damages from alleged mismanagement of floodwaters by her government in 2011. 21st of January - Former Pheu Thai MP Karoon Hosakul was granted bail after he was found guilty of defaming former Democrat MP Taenkhun Chit-isara 22nd of January - The Criminal Court on Thursday acquitted two former ministers and a member of the Pheu Thai party of defamation charges lodged against them by former finance minister Korn Chatikavanich RED SHIRT LEADER; 27th of January - Jatuporn bailed after receiving a two year jail sentence for defaming a former premier in comments made in 2009. YELLOW SHIRT LEADER; The Appeals Court upheld the lower court’s 20-year jail sentence on yellow shirt leader Sondhi Limthongkul, founder of the Manager Media Group for falsifying loan documents and fraud. Ahh, the reds always get a free pass. January has few exceptions to this. When one side commits most of the crimes logic dictates that that side will be arrested and jailed more often. It is the supporters of that side that scream injustice akin to folk in jail in the west that all feel hard done by and felt they lacked "true" justice. yawn, ... That says everything about you TB. Not interesting in the truth when it is so plainly put in front of you. Well said Jamie. If there were time, and if it would ever have an effect on Jamie, it would be very simple to point out the hand-picked 'forest for the trees' nature of his post. But for most conscious people, the situation is obvious. Even the Sondhi conviction is a matter of him running afoul of the wrong people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 (edited) As much as I find NACC politically motivated in some of its investigations with regard to priorities, I don't think it made little difference if the NACC can be faulted for appearing to have delayed its investigation into the Abhisit-Suthep government possible complicity in protester deaths in 2010. In fact its investigation now is an unusually quick response. - August 2012 that DSI interviewed both government officials regarding their "handling" of the red shirt inspired protests; - December 2013 Abhisit was indicted for murder and the Administrative Criminal Court accepted to hear the case; - Suthep was also charged, but not indicted because he did not attend the court hearing with Abhisit; - DSI issued an arrest warrant for Suthep but the Royal Thai Police failed to arrest him; - May 2014 Suthep was arrested by Junta-directed military officers and released on bail; - August 2014 the court on Thursday dismissed charges of murder and abuse of power against both - February 2015 NACC to investigate charges The court ruled that it didn't have jurisdiction to try them because both were "holders of public office at the time and acting under a [state] ordered emergency decree." Therefore, it ruled that the authority to consider the allegations was the Supreme Court's Criminal Division for Holders of Political Positions. The NACC was then invited to review the cases for possible indictments and prosecution. Between then and now the NACC seems to have given priority to the impeachment of Yingluck and associated ministers. Once Yingluck's impeachment was announced, NACC moved to investigate charges against Abhisit and Suthep. NACC could have justified further delay to enjoin in the criminal prosecution of Yingluck. Major fault seems more to lay with the criminal court for wasting almost 18 months before deciding NOT to take the case. And the reason given was based on a constitutionally required judicial process that the court should have understood. I suggest that NACC examine the court for its suspicious delay as a potential abuse of power. If you think the Criminal Court wasted 18 months between Dec 12th 2013 and August 2014 you might want go back to the drawing board. Edited February 11, 2015 by rubl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 It's pretty clear that the majority of crimes around the 2013/2014 protests lay in the nightly gunfire and grenade attacks on anti-government protesters. Begin of April 2014 the BangkokPost mentioned 100 grenades having been lobbed. So, back to 2010 with terrorists mingling with peaceful protesters and nightly attacks, grenades lobbed at non-red-shirts, police standing aside,etc., etc. UDD leaders still unwilling to acknowledge any knowledge about 'unknowns', Pheu Thai partylist MP and UDD co-leader Korkaew even voting for his own amnesty as if he needed it. Rubi, you are wearing your yellow glasses and passing judgement on who may be lobbing the grenades. And in 2010, there are snipers and they took out a prominent protestor, international journalists and nurse. And even the court said that army bullets killed the Italian journalist. Yes the same court declned to hear cases by relatives of those killed in the temple and dismissed murder charges of Ahbisit and Sutherp. Ah, you mean those grenades in 2013/2014 were lobbed by the anti-government protesters themselves maybe? And now who's passing judgement? The Court of Inquiry ruled on possibilities without being able to prove. The renegade general Seh Daeng may well be targeted by army personnel, but also his 'own' side was getting annoyed with him. The Japanese reporter may have been killed by army personel while retreating from heavily armed 'peaceful protesters', same with the Italian photographer. The nurse case is equally unclear, armed militants were still around firing at army personel. So, the Criminal Court threw out a charge of "premeditated murder as private persons' and suggested the OAG to follow the correct prosecure and when they think to have enough proof to charge Abhisit/Suthep' with 'abuse of power' at the Supreme Court for Political Office Holders. If the DSi hadn't tried to 'speed things up' and force the OAG into the Criminal Court path (or should I say if the Great Thinker hadn't pushed for it) the NACC/OAG could have spent more time of such case. Now they even had the police airdrop warrants to find Suthep and have the army deliver him to the court. Rubi, lots of maybe by you. Admit that you really dont know the real facts. I didn't hint at anyone but you purposefully did. As for Sutherp, not hard to find and they found him, served him a court summon for appearance and he refused. Remembered the friendly court also refused to serve him an arrest warrant when he held Bangkok hostage. Facts? You want facts while making all kinds of imaginative suggestions? How about the fact that the NACC admits still not to have sufficient evidence or information to tunover to the OAG to get Abhisit/Suthep charged with "abuse of power"? BTW the court doesn't serve warrants. The police asks for them, the court grants them and the police air drops them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Ah, the yellows always get a free pass....history has few exceptions to this. There are a few, but they are far between. The yellow shirt leader is in jail for 20 years while the red shirt leaders are walking free. Even with the reality of the situation so vividly clear some still fly against the face of it. Here are the exceptions you mention just for January this year. 12th of January - The Election Commissioner (EC) on Wednesday decided to throw out several complaints made against alleged election misconducts by former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra during the most recent general election in February, 2014. 13th of January - The Administrative Court on Thursday dismissed a lawsuit filed by 28 Bangkok and Nakhon Pathom residents against former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra in which they demanded compensation for damages from alleged mismanagement of floodwaters by her government in 2011. 21st of January - Former Pheu Thai MP Karoon Hosakul was granted bail after he was found guilty of defaming former Democrat MP Taenkhun Chit-isara 22nd of January - The Criminal Court on Thursday acquitted two former ministers and a member of the Pheu Thai party of defamation charges lodged against them by former finance minister Korn Chatikavanich RED SHIRT LEADER; 27th of January - Jatuporn bailed after receiving a two year jail sentence for defaming a former premier in comments made in 2009. YELLOW SHIRT LEADER; The Appeals Court upheld the lower court’s 20-year jail sentence on yellow shirt leader Sondhi Limthongkul, founder of the Manager Media Group for falsifying loan documents and fraud. Ahh, the reds always get a free pass. January has few exceptions to this. When one side commits most of the crimes logic dictates that that side will be arrested and jailed more often. It is the supporters of that side that scream injustice akin to folk in jail in the west that all feel hard done by and felt they lacked "true" justice. "When one side commits most of the crimes logic dictates that that side will be arrested and jailed more often. It is the supporters of that side that scream injustice akin to folk in jail in the west that all feel hard done by and felt they lacked "true" justice." It's pretty clear that Suthep and his minions committed the majority of the crimes in using violence and intimidation to disrupt the Feb 2014 elections. How many of them have been arrested and jailed? It's pretty clear that the majority of crimes around the 2013/2014 protests lay in the nightly gunfire and grenade attacks on anti-government protesters. Begin of April 2014 the BangkokPost mentioned 100 grenades having been lobbed. So, back to 2010 with terrorists mingling with peaceful protesters and nightly attacks, grenades lobbed at non-red-shirts, police standing aside,etc., etc. UDD leaders still unwilling to acknowledge any knowledge about 'unknowns', Pheu Thai partylist MP and UDD co-leader Korkaew even voting for his own amnesty as if he needed it. Violence and illegality was on both sides, need I remind you of the murdered redshirt poet, the army officer hospitalized for having the temerity to move illegal Suthep roadblocks, the Navy seals "protecting" the Suthep protest with military weapons? No doubt some of the unsolved attacks were caused by anti-protest criminals, but after Suthep used violence and intimidation to disrupt elections and vowed to do the same if another election were attempted, some push-back was probably unavoidable. It might have warranted military assistance in keeping the peace, but it didn't warrant a coup. Of course the elephant in the room you try so hard to ignore remains: In 2010 the military staged a bloody crackdown against protesters calling for elections, in 2014 the military accommodated protesters fighting against elections by staging a coup against a government trying to hold elections. Now this military is leading "reforms" to democracy. Intelligent people are skeptical. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 What a riposte by a self proclaimed "true democrat". He follows the Thaksin version democracy - it is what we say it is. Right, much better to support the total absence of democracy. You mean rather than an election followed by a period of we can and will do as we please, including lying, cheating and refusing to obey laws and any kind of transparency; and if you object our boys will come round and see you kind of democracy? Then yep, a in the open absence of democracy with a plan to reform to democracy is better than the lying pretense that democracy exists when it doesn't really. Really? Are you talking about the 2011 election? What laws were disobeyed? Why weren't they dealt with in court? After the 2014 coup there was no concern with obeying laws since the junta suspended the constitution, granted themselves immunity, and ruled by decree. Regarding transparency, clearly that doesn't apply to the military http://thediplomat.com/2014/10/thai-junta-beset-by-corruption-scandals/, You love that, don't you? Regarding the reform of democracy, have you noticed that the plan is to leave elected officials with little or no power? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 I challenge any of the self appointed experts and critics on this topic to actually state how they would have handled the riots in 2010 if they had been in charge - I don't expect I will be answered If you have no clue which seems to be the case for the red apologists posting here then you have no justification for even posting about it So go ahead lets hear it or perhaps not - right ? and if you want to question my credentials - I've been there done that Now run along and find a topic that you can actually talk about from experience, I'll assume that's going to very limited I would have called elections. You've been where, done what, and how does that give you credentials? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 "When one side commits most of the crimes logic dictates that that side will be arrested and jailed more often. It is the supporters of that side that scream injustice akin to folk in jail in the west that all feel hard done by and felt they lacked "true" justice." It's pretty clear that Suthep and his minions committed the majority of the crimes in using violence and intimidation to disrupt the Feb 2014 elections. How many of them have been arrested and jailed? It's pretty clear that the majority of crimes around the 2013/2014 protests lay in the nightly gunfire and grenade attacks on anti-government protesters. Begin of April 2014 the BangkokPost mentioned 100 grenades having been lobbed. So, back to 2010 with terrorists mingling with peaceful protesters and nightly attacks, grenades lobbed at non-red-shirts, police standing aside,etc., etc. UDD leaders still unwilling to acknowledge any knowledge about 'unknowns', Pheu Thai partylist MP and UDD co-leader Korkaew even voting for his own amnesty as if he needed it. Violence and illegality was on both sides, need I remind you of the murdered redshirt poet, the army officer hospitalized for having the temerity to move illegal Suthep roadblocks, the Navy seals "protecting" the Suthep protest with military weapons? No doubt some of the unsolved attacks were caused by anti-protest criminals, but after Suthep used violence and intimidation to disrupt elections and vowed to do the same if another election were attempted, some push-back was probably unavoidable. It might have warranted military assistance in keeping the peace, but it didn't warrant a coup. Of course the elephant in the room you try so hard to ignore remains: In 2010 the military staged a bloody crackdown against protesters calling for elections, in 2014 the military accommodated protesters fighting against elections by staging a coup against a government trying to hold elections. Now this military is leading "reforms" to democracy. Intelligent people are skeptical. THe 2010 anti-government protesters called for many things, but somehow forgot the militant help they received. gunfights and grenades aimed at non-red-shirts. Men-in-black walking around in the night. Etc., etc. As I wrote "So, back to 2010 with terrorists mingling with peaceful protesters and nightly attacks, grenades lobbed at non-red-shirts, police standing aside,etc., etc. UDD leaders still unwilling to acknowledge any knowledge about 'unknowns', Pheu Thai partylist MP and UDD co-leader Korkaew even voting for his own amnesty as if he needed it. " 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 (edited) I challenge any of the self appointed experts and critics on this topic to actually state how they would have handled the riots in 2010 if they had been in charge - I don't expect I will be answered If you have no clue which seems to be the case for the red apologists posting here then you have no justification for even posting about it So go ahead lets hear it or perhaps not - right ? and if you want to question my credentials - I've been there done that Now run along and find a topic that you can actually talk about from experience, I'll assume that's going to very limited I would have called elections. You've been where, done what, and how does that give you credentials? Negotiations between the protesters and the government failed to result in a resolution of the situation (these negotiations took place into March 2010, even though the demonstrators conditions were met (the election) a last minute phone call from Thaksin said no to the agreement. From there it all went down hill HeyBruce like I said - you have no clue what you are talking about The blame for all those killed lays firmly with the criminal Thaksin who was very clearly in charge again how would you have dealt with the violence that erupted after Thaksin's issued instructions You know what - don't bother even trying to answer because your twisted blinkered ill-informed view will never change and who are you exactly - one wonders Edited February 11, 2015 by smedly 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post heybruce Posted February 11, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2015 (edited) I challenge any of the self appointed experts and critics on this topic to actually state how they would have handled the riots in 2010 if they had been in charge - I don't expect I will be answered If you have no clue which seems to be the case for the red apologists posting here then you have no justification for even posting about it So go ahead lets hear it or perhaps not - right ? and if you want to question my credentials - I've been there done that Now run along and find a topic that you can actually talk about from experience, I'll assume that's going to very limited I would have called elections. You've been where, done what, and how does that give you credentials? Negotiations between the protesters and the government failed to result in a resolution of the situation (these negotiations took place into March 2010, even though the demonstrators conditions were met (the election) a last minute phone call from Thaksin said no to the agreement. From there it all went down hill HeyBruce like I said - you have no clue what you are talking about The blame for all those killed lays firmly with the criminal Thaksin who was very clearly in charge again how would you have dealt with the violence that erupted after Thaksin's issued instructions You know what - don't bother even trying to answer because your twisted blinkered ill-informed view will never change and who are you exactly - one wonders "Negotiations between the protesters and the government failed to result in a resolution of the situation (these negotiations took place into March 2010, even though the demonstrators conditions were met (the election) a last minute phone call from Thaksin said no to the agreement. From there it all went down hill" And your source for that is....? Were you part of the Thaksin phone call? Are you so ill-informed that you think people will believe whatever you post without question? You probably don't want to read further, because I use information from a credible source. From the March 31, 2010 Economist: "A commitment to hold elections soon should end the protest. But Mr Abhisit's coalition partners, mostly cast-offs from Mr Thaksin's former party, want to stay in power—and build up campaign funds—for as long as possible. The generals have their eyes fixed mainly on their annual promotions in October, when the army chief must retire. Mr Abhisit told the red-shirt leaders that an election should be held after constitutional amendments were completed and a budget was passed in the autumn. That sounds like flim-flam. And an excuse might yet be found for further delay, beyond the end of parliament's term in December 2011." http://www.economist.com/node/15819472 From the April 29, 2010 Economist: "Mr Abhisit is right to argue that an election, in itself, will not solve a deep political crisis, and that allowing an angry mob to force a change of government sets a bad precedent. But that is what happened in 2008 when Mr Chamlong and his yellow-shirted pals in the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) shut down Bangkok's airports. That is how Mr Abhisit came to power." http://www.economist.com/node/16015331 And from the April 15, 2010 Economist (I underlined my favorite parts): "The origins of the bloodshed can be disputed (see article). But the underlying causes of political deadlock are not: they lie in the persistent refusal of Thailand's elites to accept electoral defeat at the hands of Thaksin Shinawatra, a deeply flawed but nonetheless popular prime minister. He was turfed out in a coup in 2006 and went into exile. Against the odds, a party loyal to him did better than any other in an election in 2007. A year later, it was forced out of office by yellow-shirted mobs and convenient court rulings. Mr Abhisit can hardly be surprised that he now faces the same tactics. He is also guilty of hypocrisy. In 2008 he called on the then prime minister to resign after two yellow-shirt protesters had died. In general the pro-Thaksin red shirts have shown greater discipline recently than the yellow shirts did then. .The red shirts also have a stronger case: that the prime minister and his cobbled-together ruling coalition lack a popular mandate. It would be humiliating, but Mr Abhisit should offer an early election. Better to cede power that way than in a coup or bloody insurrection. He has a point, though, that an election in itself would not end the cycle of confrontation. He knows that a red shirt, pro-Thaksin party, with its roots in the poor and populous north-east, might well win again. And again, the urban middle-classes and the business, military and aristocratic elites used to running Thailand as their private show might balk. It is not enough that the people be given the chance to vote again. There has to be consensus on the need to honour the results, and, thereafter, to replace the army-imposed constitution with its predecessor, adopted in 1997 after much public debate." http://www.economist.com/node/15908365 As I wrote earlier, I would have dealt with the 2010 protests by calling for elections as soon as they could be organized, and calling on the Democrats and others to respect the outcome of the votes. What is holding up democracy in Thailand are people and parties unwilling to accept electoral defeat and determined to come to power by any means available. Regarding your final question: "and who are you exactly - one wonders", you come across as being somewhat paranoid. You never did explain your puzzling "been there done that credentials". Edited February 11, 2015 by heybruce 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbthailand Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Ah, the yellows always get a free pass....history has few exceptions to this. There are a few, but they are far between. The yellow shirt leader is in jail for 20 years while the red shirt leaders are walking free. Even with the reality of the situation so vividly clear some still fly against the face of it. Here are the exceptions you mention just for January this year. 12th of January - The Election Commissioner (EC) on Wednesday decided to throw out several complaints made against alleged election misconducts by former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra during the most recent general election in February, 2014. 13th of January - The Administrative Court on Thursday dismissed a lawsuit filed by 28 Bangkok and Nakhon Pathom residents against former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra in which they demanded compensation for damages from alleged mismanagement of floodwaters by her government in 2011. 21st of January - Former Pheu Thai MP Karoon Hosakul was granted bail after he was found guilty of defaming former Democrat MP Taenkhun Chit-isara 22nd of January - The Criminal Court on Thursday acquitted two former ministers and a member of the Pheu Thai party of defamation charges lodged against them by former finance minister Korn Chatikavanich RED SHIRT LEADER; 27th of January - Jatuporn bailed after receiving a two year jail sentence for defaming a former premier in comments made in 2009. YELLOW SHIRT LEADER; The Appeals Court upheld the lower court’s 20-year jail sentence on yellow shirt leader Sondhi Limthongkul, founder of the Manager Media Group for falsifying loan documents and fraud. Ahh, the reds always get a free pass. January has few exceptions to this. When one side commits most of the crimes logic dictates that that side will be arrested and jailed more often. It is the supporters of that side that scream injustice akin to folk in jail in the west that all feel hard done by and felt they lacked "true" justice. "When one side commits most of the crimes logic dictates that that side will be arrested and jailed more often. It is the supporters of that side that scream injustice akin to folk in jail in the west that all feel hard done by and felt they lacked "true" justice." It's pretty clear that Suthep and his minions committed the majority of the crimes in using violence and intimidation to disrupt the Feb 2014 elections. How many of them have been arrested and jailed? It's pretty clear that the majority of crimes around the 2013/2014 protests lay in the nightly gunfire and grenade attacks on anti-government protesters. Begin of April 2014 the BangkokPost mentioned 100 grenades having been lobbed. So, back to 2010 with terrorists mingling with peaceful protesters and nightly attacks, grenades lobbed at non-red-shirts, police standing aside,etc., etc. UDD leaders still unwilling to acknowledge any knowledge about 'unknowns', Pheu Thai partylist MP and UDD co-leader Korkaew even voting for his own amnesty as if he needed it. nightly... all the junta cheerleaders talk about nightly attacks. gotta link or two to that? Oh, yes, and 'majority'? well since your claims about election results clearly demonstrate your inability to understand what 'majority' means, you can be forgiven for making such statements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbthailand Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 The yellow shirt leader is in jail for 20 years while the red shirt leaders are walking free. Even with the reality of the situation so vividly clear some still fly against the face of it. Here are the exceptions you mention just for January this year. 12th of January - The Election Commissioner (EC) on Wednesday decided to throw out several complaints made against alleged election misconducts by former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra during the most recent general election in February, 2014. 13th of January - The Administrative Court on Thursday dismissed a lawsuit filed by 28 Bangkok and Nakhon Pathom residents against former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra in which they demanded compensation for damages from alleged mismanagement of floodwaters by her government in 2011. 21st of January - Former Pheu Thai MP Karoon Hosakul was granted bail after he was found guilty of defaming former Democrat MP Taenkhun Chit-isara 22nd of January - The Criminal Court on Thursday acquitted two former ministers and a member of the Pheu Thai party of defamation charges lodged against them by former finance minister Korn Chatikavanich RED SHIRT LEADER; 27th of January - Jatuporn bailed after receiving a two year jail sentence for defaming a former premier in comments made in 2009. YELLOW SHIRT LEADER; The Appeals Court upheld the lower court’s 20-year jail sentence on yellow shirt leader Sondhi Limthongkul, founder of the Manager Media Group for falsifying loan documents and fraud. Ahh, the reds always get a free pass. January has few exceptions to this. When one side commits most of the crimes logic dictates that that side will be arrested and jailed more often. It is the supporters of that side that scream injustice akin to folk in jail in the west that all feel hard done by and felt they lacked "true" justice. "When one side commits most of the crimes logic dictates that that side will be arrested and jailed more often. It is the supporters of that side that scream injustice akin to folk in jail in the west that all feel hard done by and felt they lacked "true" justice." It's pretty clear that Suthep and his minions committed the majority of the crimes in using violence and intimidation to disrupt the Feb 2014 elections. How many of them have been arrested and jailed? It's pretty clear that the majority of crimes around the 2013/2014 protests lay in the nightly gunfire and grenade attacks on anti-government protesters. Begin of April 2014 the BangkokPost mentioned 100 grenades having been lobbed. So, back to 2010 with terrorists mingling with peaceful protesters and nightly attacks, grenades lobbed at non-red-shirts, police standing aside,etc., etc. UDD leaders still unwilling to acknowledge any knowledge about 'unknowns', Pheu Thai partylist MP and UDD co-leader Korkaew even voting for his own amnesty as if he needed it. Violence and illegality was on both sides, need I remind you of the murdered redshirt poet, the army officer hospitalized for having the temerity to move illegal Suthep roadblocks, the Navy seals "protecting" the Suthep protest with military weapons? No doubt some of the unsolved attacks were caused by anti-protest criminals, but after Suthep used violence and intimidation to disrupt elections and vowed to do the same if another election were attempted, some push-back was probably unavoidable. It might have warranted military assistance in keeping the peace, but it didn't warrant a coup. Of course the elephant in the room you try so hard to ignore remains: In 2010 the military staged a bloody crackdown against protesters calling for elections, in 2014 the military accommodated protesters fighting against elections by staging a coup against a government trying to hold elections. Now this military is leading "reforms" to democracy. Intelligent people are skeptical. Intelligent people are skeptical. thanks - made my day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbthailand Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Ah, the yellows always get a free pass....history has few exceptions to this. There are a few, but they are far between. The yellow shirt leader is in jail for 20 years while the red shirt leaders are walking free. Even with the reality of the situation so vividly clear some still fly against the face of it. Here are the exceptions you mention just for January this year. 12th of January - The Election Commissioner (EC) on Wednesday decided to throw out several complaints made against alleged election misconducts by former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra during the most recent general election in February, 2014. 13th of January - The Administrative Court on Thursday dismissed a lawsuit filed by 28 Bangkok and Nakhon Pathom residents against former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra in which they demanded compensation for damages from alleged mismanagement of floodwaters by her government in 2011. 21st of January - Former Pheu Thai MP Karoon Hosakul was granted bail after he was found guilty of defaming former Democrat MP Taenkhun Chit-isara 22nd of January - The Criminal Court on Thursday acquitted two former ministers and a member of the Pheu Thai party of defamation charges lodged against them by former finance minister Korn Chatikavanich RED SHIRT LEADER; 27th of January - Jatuporn bailed after receiving a two year jail sentence for defaming a former premier in comments made in 2009. YELLOW SHIRT LEADER; The Appeals Court upheld the lower court’s 20-year jail sentence on yellow shirt leader Sondhi Limthongkul, founder of the Manager Media Group for falsifying loan documents and fraud. Ahh, the reds always get a free pass. January has few exceptions to this. When one side commits most of the crimes logic dictates that that side will be arrested and jailed more often. It is the supporters of that side that scream injustice akin to folk in jail in the west that all feel hard done by and felt they lacked "true" justice. well, you seem to have a few secret admirers. It's possible to pick out a couple of examples from hundreds, no, probably thousands of cases and complaints. but forget for a moment the obvious differences of how yellow shirt protestors and their leaders are treated as favored friends of the courts and the military vs the favored enemies of the courts and the military, the red shirt protesters and their leaders. And there is a long list of comparisons to be made there. It's clear the bias... forget all that and let's go with a current, 2015, this week event. We have a direct, head-to-head comparison on how red v yellow are treated. 2 LM cases for posting a fake announcement. Red shirt in military custody with no access to legal council, or any other contact for that matter, since last Wednesday. The Yellow side, a manager at ASTV Manager finally had an arrest warrant issued last Friday. Both arrested. Both charged. One released on bail. The other, bail request denied. Guess, ... just guess how that went according to color-codes... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I love how they slowly are neutering the red shirts, with some luck they can damage the whole PTP and Thaksin in a way he can never again get back to power and ruin the country. Its also fun watching all the red shirt farangs suffering from high blood pressure and anger issues. But better this way as the other way around because most foreigners hate the PTP, its far easier to fool uneducated people as those with an education. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 (edited) The yellow shirt leader is in jail for 20 years while the red shirt leaders are walking free. Even with the reality of the situation so vividly clear some still fly against the face of it. Here are the exceptions you mention just for January this year. 12th of January - The Election Commissioner (EC) on Wednesday decided to throw out several complaints made against alleged election misconducts by former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra during the most recent general election in February, 2014. 13th of January - The Administrative Court on Thursday dismissed a lawsuit filed by 28 Bangkok and Nakhon Pathom residents against former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra in which they demanded compensation for damages from alleged mismanagement of floodwaters by her government in 2011. 21st of January - Former Pheu Thai MP Karoon Hosakul was granted bail after he was found guilty of defaming former Democrat MP Taenkhun Chit-isara 22nd of January - The Criminal Court on Thursday acquitted two former ministers and a member of the Pheu Thai party of defamation charges lodged against them by former finance minister Korn Chatikavanich RED SHIRT LEADER; 27th of January - Jatuporn bailed after receiving a two year jail sentence for defaming a former premier in comments made in 2009. YELLOW SHIRT LEADER; The Appeals Court upheld the lower court’s 20-year jail sentence on yellow shirt leader Sondhi Limthongkul, founder of the Manager Media Group for falsifying loan documents and fraud. Ahh, the reds always get a free pass. January has few exceptions to this. When one side commits most of the crimes logic dictates that that side will be arrested and jailed more often. It is the supporters of that side that scream injustice akin to folk in jail in the west that all feel hard done by and felt they lacked "true" justice. "When one side commits most of the crimes logic dictates that that side will be arrested and jailed more often. It is the supporters of that side that scream injustice akin to folk in jail in the west that all feel hard done by and felt they lacked "true" justice." It's pretty clear that Suthep and his minions committed the majority of the crimes in using violence and intimidation to disrupt the Feb 2014 elections. How many of them have been arrested and jailed? It's pretty clear that the majority of crimes around the 2013/2014 protests lay in the nightly gunfire and grenade attacks on anti-government protesters. Begin of April 2014 the BangkokPost mentioned 100 grenades having been lobbed. So, back to 2010 with terrorists mingling with peaceful protesters and nightly attacks, grenades lobbed at non-red-shirts, police standing aside,etc., etc. UDD leaders still unwilling to acknowledge any knowledge about 'unknowns', Pheu Thai partylist MP and UDD co-leader Korkaew even voting for his own amnesty as if he needed it. nightly... all the junta cheerleaders talk about nightly attacks. gotta link or two to that? Oh, yes, and 'majority'? well since your claims about election results clearly demonstrate your inability to understand what 'majority' means, you can be forgiven for making such statements. The nightly attacks remark was related to Brucy's somewhat off topic reference to the 2013/2014 chaos. To refresh your memory http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/02/23/thailand-protest-government-child/5749411/ http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/thailand-protesters-attacked-with-grenade-dozens-wounded-1.2500169 http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/gunfires-explosions-arson-rock-several-protest-sites-leaving-many-injured Back on topic for 2010 we have these remarkable reports from our local photo-journalist http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/541283-red-shirts-to-mark-2nd-anniversary-of-protests/page-13#entry5308387 http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/637500-abhisit-suthep-face-more-murder-charges-over-2010-strife/page-4#entry6377205 As for majority The greater number or part; a number more than half of the total. The amount by which the greater number of votes cast, as in an election, exceeds the total number of remaining votes. The political party, group, or faction having the most power by virtue of its larger representation or electoral strength. Edited February 12, 2015 by rubl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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