No NACC consensus on 2010 crackdown

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No NACC consensus on 2010 crackdown
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) secretary-general Sansern Polajiak said yesterday that the commission had deliberated on the cases against former prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and his then-deputy Suthep Thaugsuban in relation to the deadly crackdown on red-shirt protesters in 2010.

He said NACC members agreed that they had insufficient evidence and information and were therefore unable to come to consensus.

Furthermore, he said, the NACC needs to deliberate on legal principles based on the junta-imposed interim constitution's Article 17 in relation to public administration under emergency circumstances, which is related to this case. Therefore, he said, the commission is scheduled to hold another meeting in two weeks.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/No-NACC-consensus-on-2010-crackdown-30253811.html


-- The Nation 2015-02-11

[Mango Bob]

The NCAA has two ways of thinking when it comes to the Reds and the Yellows. The Yellows are always right and the Reds always wrong. This is why they will never be an reconciliation here in Thailand. Just mind as well keep the Junta for Life instead of more coups.

[djjamie]

I must admit the Right Honorable Abhisit and Suthep should be held responsible somewhat for the deaths. Abhisit would have learnt a very important lesson that day that you cannot afford to be complacent when it comes to terrorism. He showed way too much tolerance and patience. Had he come in quicker and harder before the red shirts where so emboldened and confident he could have saved countless lives.

When the red shirts stormed the TV station and restored the TV signal after being met with, not bullets, but tear gas and water cannons the media questioned Abhisits control of the army after they offered futile resistance. Of course our favorite radical fundamentalist, Jatuporn, gave a reason why the army were less threatening than a new born baby. Not because Abhisit had tried countless times to negotiate a peaceful solution, not because he was a tolerant, Right Honorable man. What was Jatuporns reason? “The government is not concerned about people lives but worries that glass at shopping malls may be shattered. That is why the government has not yet used more brutal force against us,” MORE brutal force? So tear gas and water cannons is brutal force to our short plump all mouth accused terrorist!! This is the guy that leads armed terrorists that kidnap police and beat soldiers to within an inch of their lives. What a guy...

That is why he is my favorite radical fundamentalist and the leader of the UDD who represent 7% of the population. The most violent radical 7%.

Edited February 11, 2015 by djjamie

[lovetotravel]

The NCAA has two ways of thinking when it comes to the Reds and the Yellows. The Yellows are always right and the Reds always wrong. This is why they will never be an reconciliation here in Thailand. Just mind as well keep the Junta for Life instead of more coups.

This case is very difficult. Armed protesters were involved, government officials had been killed, not a plain vanilla case like many others.

[FangFerang]

Ah, the yellows always get a free pass....history has few exceptions to this. There are a few, but they are far between.

[tbthailand]

The NCAA has two ways of thinking when it comes to the Reds and the Yellows. The Yellows are always right and the Reds always wrong. This is why they will never be an reconciliation here in Thailand. Just mind as well keep the Junta for Life instead of more coups.

the goal has never been reconciliation.

nor has it ever been cleaning up corruption.

nor was it ever about reform.

it's only ever been about control.

(also, love your typ-o... the NCAA is about basketball, the NACC is about kangaroo courts...)

[tbthailand]

Ah, the yellows always get a free pass....history has few exceptions to this. There are a few, but they are far between.

the 'yellows', to use that convenient shorthand, are in control. We should expect nothing less.

[lildragon]

Well, this is unsurprising.

I think even the most ardent of reds could admit that they are responsible for wrongdoings. But the other side getting off with absolutely everything away scott free absolutely defies belief and shows that there is no 'reconciliation' going on here. Just the typical enforcement of the status quo. Us richy BKK types good, you stupid country buffaloes bad.

[djjamie]

Ah, the yellows always get a free pass....history has few exceptions to this. There are a few, but they are far between.

The yellow shirt leader is in jail for 20 years while the red shirt leaders are walking free. Even with the reality of the situation so vividly clear some still fly against the face of it.

Here are the exceptions you mention just for January this year.

12^th of January - The Election Commissioner (EC) on Wednesday decided to throw out several complaints made against alleged election misconducts by former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra during the most recent general election in February, 2014.

13^th of January - The Administrative Court on Thursday dismissed a lawsuit filed by 28 Bangkok and Nakhon Pathom residents against former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra in which they demanded compensation for damages from alleged mismanagement of floodwaters by her government in 2011.

21^st of January - Former Pheu Thai MP Karoon Hosakul was granted bail after he was found guilty of defaming former Democrat MP Taenkhun Chit-isara

22^nd of January - The Criminal Court on Thursday acquitted two former ministers and a member of the Pheu Thai party of defamation charges lodged against them by former finance minister Korn Chatikavanich

RED SHIRT LEADER;

27^th of January - Jatuporn bailed after receiving a two year jail sentence for defaming a former premier in comments made in 2009.

YELLOW SHIRT LEADER;

The Appeals Court upheld the lower court’s 20-year jail sentence on yellow shirt leader Sondhi Limthongkul, founder of the Manager Media Group for falsifying loan documents and fraud.

Ahh, the reds always get a free pass. January has few exceptions to this.

When one side commits most of the crimes logic dictates that that side will be arrested and jailed more often. It is the supporters of that side that scream injustice akin to folk in jail in the west that all feel hard done by and felt they lacked "true" justice.

[smedly]

The NCAA has two ways of thinking when it comes to the Reds and the Yellows. The Yellows are always right and the Reds always wrong. This is why they will never be an reconciliation here in Thailand. Just mind as well keep the Junta for Life instead of more coups.

This case is very difficult. Armed protesters were involved, government officials had been killed, not a plain vanilla case like many others.

correct

It's also worth noting that the above 2x posters (mango and ferang) completely fail to mention anything about that very clear fact

If I was in the security forces and was ordered to confront an armed crowd I would refuse to do it unless I was allowed to defend myself and my colleagues - it is really that simple

and if I was in the crowd as a peaceful participant I'd be making a hasty exit if guns came out, if I remained I'd only have myself to blame if injured or killed - it really is that simple

Edited February 11, 2015 by smedly

[tbthailand]

Ah, the yellows always get a free pass....history has few exceptions to this. There are a few, but they are far between.

The yellow shirt leader is in jail for 20 years while the red shirt leaders are walking free. Even with the reality of the situation so vividly clear some still fly against the face of it.

Here are the exceptions you mention just for January this year.

12^th of January - The Election Commissioner (EC) on Wednesday decided to throw out several complaints made against alleged election misconducts by former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra during the most recent general election in February, 2014.

13^th of January - The Administrative Court on Thursday dismissed a lawsuit filed by 28 Bangkok and Nakhon Pathom residents against former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra in which they demanded compensation for damages from alleged mismanagement of floodwaters by her government in 2011.

21^st of January - Former Pheu Thai MP Karoon Hosakul was granted bail after he was found guilty of defaming former Democrat MP Taenkhun Chit-isara

22^nd of January - The Criminal Court on Thursday acquitted two former ministers and a member of the Pheu Thai party of defamation charges lodged against them by former finance minister Korn Chatikavanich

RED SHIRT LEADER;

27^th of January - Jatuporn bailed after receiving a two year jail sentence for defaming a former premier in comments made in 2009.

YELLOW SHIRT LEADER;

The Appeals Court upheld the lower court’s 20-year jail sentence on yellow shirt leader Sondhi Limthongkul, founder of the Manager Media Group for falsifying loan documents and fraud.

Ahh, the reds always get a free pass. January has few exceptions to this.

When one side commits most of the crimes logic dictates that that side will be arrested and jailed more often. It is the supporters of that side that scream injustice akin to folk in jail in the west that all feel hard done by and felt they lacked "true" justice.

yawn, ...

[robblok]

Ah, the yellows always get a free pass....history has few exceptions to this. There are a few, but they are far between.

The yellow shirt leader is in jail for 20 years while the red shirt leaders are walking free. Even with the reality of the situation so vividly clear some still fly against the face of it.

Here are the exceptions you mention just for January this year.

12^th of January - The Election Commissioner (EC) on Wednesday decided to throw out several complaints made against alleged election misconducts by former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra during the most recent general election in February, 2014.

13^th of January - The Administrative Court on Thursday dismissed a lawsuit filed by 28 Bangkok and Nakhon Pathom residents against former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra in which they demanded compensation for damages from alleged mismanagement of floodwaters by her government in 2011.

21^st of January - Former Pheu Thai MP Karoon Hosakul was granted bail after he was found guilty of defaming former Democrat MP Taenkhun Chit-isara

22^nd of January - The Criminal Court on Thursday acquitted two former ministers and a member of the Pheu Thai party of defamation charges lodged against them by former finance minister Korn Chatikavanich

RED SHIRT LEADER;

27^th of January - Jatuporn bailed after receiving a two year jail sentence for defaming a former premier in comments made in 2009.

YELLOW SHIRT LEADER;

The Appeals Court upheld the lower court’s 20-year jail sentence on yellow shirt leader Sondhi Limthongkul, founder of the Manager Media Group for falsifying loan documents and fraud.

Ahh, the reds always get a free pass. January has few exceptions to this.

When one side commits most of the crimes logic dictates that that side will be arrested and jailed more often. It is the supporters of that side that scream injustice akin to folk in jail in the west that all feel hard done by and felt they lacked "true" justice.

yawn, ...

Facts.. the enemy of any red shirt.. instead of debating them its better to ignore them.

[jcb2001]

Ah, the yellows always get a free pass....history has few exceptions to this. There are a few, but they are far between.

The yellow shirt leader is in jail for 20 years while the red shirt leaders are walking free. Even with the reality of the situation so vividly clear some still fly against the face of it.

Here are the exceptions you mention just for January this year.

12^th of January - The Election Commissioner (EC) on Wednesday decided to throw out several complaints made against alleged election misconducts by former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra during the most recent general election in February, 2014.

13^th of January - The Administrative Court on Thursday dismissed a lawsuit filed by 28 Bangkok and Nakhon Pathom residents against former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra in which they demanded compensation for damages from alleged mismanagement of floodwaters by her government in 2011.

21^st of January - Former Pheu Thai MP Karoon Hosakul was granted bail after he was found guilty of defaming former Democrat MP Taenkhun Chit-isara

22^nd of January - The Criminal Court on Thursday acquitted two former ministers and a member of the Pheu Thai party of defamation charges lodged against them by former finance minister Korn Chatikavanich

RED SHIRT LEADER;

27^th of January - Jatuporn bailed after receiving a two year jail sentence for defaming a former premier in comments made in 2009.

YELLOW SHIRT LEADER;

The Appeals Court upheld the lower court’s 20-year jail sentence on yellow shirt leader Sondhi Limthongkul, founder of the Manager Media Group for falsifying loan documents and fraud.

Ahh, the reds always get a free pass. January has few exceptions to this.

When one side commits most of the crimes logic dictates that that side will be arrested and jailed more often. It is the supporters of that side that scream injustice akin to folk in jail in the west that all feel hard done by and felt they lacked "true" justice.

yawn, ...

That says everything about you TB. Not interesting in the truth when it is so plainly put in front of you. Well said Jamie.

[MikeOboe57]

Ah, the yellows always get a free pass....history has few exceptions to this. There are a few, but they are far between.

The yellow shirt leader is in jail for 20 years while the red shirt leaders are walking free. Even with the reality of the situation so vividly clear some still fly against the face of it.

Here are the exceptions you mention just for January this year.

12^th of January - The Election Commissioner (EC) on Wednesday decided to throw out several complaints made against alleged election misconducts by former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra during the most recent general election in February, 2014.

13^th of January - The Administrative Court on Thursday dismissed a lawsuit filed by 28 Bangkok and Nakhon Pathom residents against former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra in which they demanded compensation for damages from alleged mismanagement of floodwaters by her government in 2011.

21^st of January - Former Pheu Thai MP Karoon Hosakul was granted bail after he was found guilty of defaming former Democrat MP Taenkhun Chit-isara

22^nd of January - The Criminal Court on Thursday acquitted two former ministers and a member of the Pheu Thai party of defamation charges lodged against them by former finance minister Korn Chatikavanich

RED SHIRT LEADER;

27^th of January - Jatuporn bailed after receiving a two year jail sentence for defaming a former premier in comments made in 2009.

YELLOW SHIRT LEADER;

The Appeals Court upheld the lower court’s 20-year jail sentence on yellow shirt leader Sondhi Limthongkul, founder of the Manager Media Group for falsifying loan documents and fraud.

Ahh, the reds always get a free pass. January has few exceptions to this.

When one side commits most of the crimes logic dictates that that side will be arrested and jailed more often. It is the supporters of that side that scream injustice akin to folk in jail in the west that all feel hard done by and felt they lacked "true" justice.

yawn, ...

What a riposte by a self proclaimed "true democrat".

[smedly]

Ah, the yellows always get a free pass....history has few exceptions to this. There are a few, but they are far between.

The yellow shirt leader is in jail for 20 years while the red shirt leaders are walking free. Even with the reality of the situation so vividly clear some still fly against the face of it.

Here are the exceptions you mention just for January this year.

12^th of January - The Election Commissioner (EC) on Wednesday decided to throw out several complaints made against alleged election misconducts by former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra during the most recent general election in February, 2014.

13^th of January - The Administrative Court on Thursday dismissed a lawsuit filed by 28 Bangkok and Nakhon Pathom residents against former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra in which they demanded compensation for damages from alleged mismanagement of floodwaters by her government in 2011.

21^st of January - Former Pheu Thai MP Karoon Hosakul was granted bail after he was found guilty of defaming former Democrat MP Taenkhun Chit-isara

22^nd of January - The Criminal Court on Thursday acquitted two former ministers and a member of the Pheu Thai party of defamation charges lodged against them by former finance minister Korn Chatikavanich

RED SHIRT LEADER;

27^th of January - Jatuporn bailed after receiving a two year jail sentence for defaming a former premier in comments made in 2009.

YELLOW SHIRT LEADER;

The Appeals Court upheld the lower court’s 20-year jail sentence on yellow shirt leader Sondhi Limthongkul, founder of the Manager Media Group for falsifying loan documents and fraud.

Ahh, the reds always get a free pass. January has few exceptions to this.

When one side commits most of the crimes logic dictates that that side will be arrested and jailed more often. It is the supporters of that side that scream injustice akin to folk in jail in the west that all feel hard done by and felt they lacked "true" justice.

yawn, ...

Facts.. the enemy of any red shirt.. instead of debating them its better to ignore them.

Facts.. the enemy of any red shirt.. instead of debating them its better to ignore them - they are rarely just ignored - it's quite possible they may never be found

[h90]

The NCAA has two ways of thinking when it comes to the Reds and the Yellows. The Yellows are always right and the Reds always wrong. This is why they will never be an reconciliation here in Thailand. Just mind as well keep the Junta for Life instead of more coups.

If you give me your bank account number I transfer you something so you can buy a TV.

Red Shirts armed with AK-47 and M16 rifles, barricades full with diesel fuel and collecting fees from passing people, talks about killing people and communist revolutions.

Yellow Shirts: group of mostly elderly women who are dangerous for your ears only, peaceful (100% as long as not attacked), friendly to the tourists, party atmosphere, talks about getting rid of corruption and making Thailand better for everyone. collecting money to donate for the poor farmer, etc etc

yes the Yellows are right and the Red are wrong!

[Baerboxer]

Ah, the yellows always get a free pass....history has few exceptions to this. There are a few, but they are far between.

The yellow shirt leader is in jail for 20 years while the red shirt leaders are walking free. Even with the reality of the situation so vividly clear some still fly against the face of it.

Here are the exceptions you mention just for January this year.

12^th of January - The Election Commissioner (EC) on Wednesday decided to throw out several complaints made against alleged election misconducts by former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra during the most recent general election in February, 2014.

13^th of January - The Administrative Court on Thursday dismissed a lawsuit filed by 28 Bangkok and Nakhon Pathom residents against former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra in which they demanded compensation for damages from alleged mismanagement of floodwaters by her government in 2011.

21^st of January - Former Pheu Thai MP Karoon Hosakul was granted bail after he was found guilty of defaming former Democrat MP Taenkhun Chit-isara

22^nd of January - The Criminal Court on Thursday acquitted two former ministers and a member of the Pheu Thai party of defamation charges lodged against them by former finance minister Korn Chatikavanich

RED SHIRT LEADER;

27^th of January - Jatuporn bailed after receiving a two year jail sentence for defaming a former premier in comments made in 2009.

YELLOW SHIRT LEADER;

The Appeals Court upheld the lower court’s 20-year jail sentence on yellow shirt leader Sondhi Limthongkul, founder of the Manager Media Group for falsifying loan documents and fraud.

Ahh, the reds always get a free pass. January has few exceptions to this.

When one side commits most of the crimes logic dictates that that side will be arrested and jailed more often. It is the supporters of that side that scream injustice akin to folk in jail in the west that all feel hard done by and felt they lacked "true" justice.

yawn, ...

What a riposte by a self proclaimed "true democrat".

He follows the Thaksin version democracy - it is what we say it is.

[Eric Loh]

A disproportionate use of force using live rounds and snipers against protestors resulting in a bloodbath 5 years ago gets less attention from the NACC than a very recent rice subsidy case. The NACC seem to work at 2 speed - fast for the reds and no speed for the yellows. With this kind of procrastination and double standard in full view, forget about reconciliation and expect the reds to galvanize their disgust for the establishment and manifest in the next election with or without Thaksin.

[bassman]

Whether anyone or group is charged with what happened in 2010 is not as important as the matter be completely investigated and the truth be told. This holds true with the demonstrations and horrendous crimes committed in last years demonstrations.

Anyone that believes the leadership of the "reds" are not one and the same as the elite of the yellows are fooling themselves. Thaksin and his bunch of thugs were just the outcasts of the Thai elite, that have and continue to rule.

Neither the top of either color group will be seriously prosecuted as they are above the laws of the common man. When a prosecution does occur convictions are overturned, bails are granted and sentences are suspended.

This is just fact of Thailand.

[The manic]

I must admit the Right Honorable Abhisit and Suthep should be held responsible somewhat for the deaths. Abhisit would have learnt a very important lesson that day that you cannot afford to be complacent when it comes to terrorism. He showed way too much tolerance and patience. Had he come in quicker and harder before the red shirts where so emboldened and confident he could have saved countless lives.

When the red shirts stormed the TV station and restored the TV signal after being met with, not bullets, but tear gas and water cannons the media questioned Abhisits control of the army after they offered futile resistance. Of course our favorite radical fundamentalist, Jatuporn, gave a reason why the army were less threatening than a new born baby. Not because Abhisit had tried countless times to negotiate a peaceful solution, not because he was a tolerant, Right Honorable man. What was Jatuporns reason? The government is not concerned about people lives but worries that glass at shopping malls may be shattered. That is why the government has not yet used more brutal force against us, MORE brutal force? So tear gas and water cannons is brutal force to our short plump all mouth accused terrorist!! This is the guy that leads armed terrorists that kidnap police and beat soldiers to within an inch of their lives. What a guy...

That is why he is my favorite radical fundamentalist and the leader of the UDD who represent 7% of the population. The most violent radical 7%.

I do not understand this myopic view. Why no mention of the scandalous occupation of the airport by armed yellow shirt terrorists? Why no historical context of the repeated murder of the Thai people by the military including the hanging from lampposts and burning alive of protesters? It is really simple. The people voted and yet again had their vote stolen at the point of a gun. Abhsit should rightly be charged with murder of both Thai and European nationals and indeed still may be. The current crooks hiding behind the skirts of 'order' and patriotism, came to power and are modelled on ****orships through out the ages. They would never have got in power via the ballet box but did so by the bullet. The terrorists are not the millions of people who voted and campaigned but those who are wearing uniforms and carrying automatic weapons paid for by the taxes of the people. A few right wing nut cases on this forum can bluster all they like but let the current leader organise an election and let him stand for election in a process overseen by an International Election Commission.

[FangFerang]

Ah, the yellows always get a free pass....history has few exceptions to this. There are a few, but they are far between.

Yellow cheerleaders with their pom poms always have selective memory about 2010, including the kill zone that was established with live ammunition that resulted in people being shot inside a Buddhist temple....including children, women and men.

Gimme Y! Gimme an E! Gimme an L! Gimme another L! Gimme on O! Gimme a W! What's that spell?

COWARD.

[FangFerang]

I must admit the Right Honorable Abhisit and Suthep should be held responsible somewhat for the deaths. Abhisit would have learnt a very important lesson that day that you cannot afford to be complacent when it comes to terrorism. He showed way too much tolerance and patience. Had he come in quicker and harder before the red shirts where so emboldened and confident he could have saved countless lives.

When the red shirts stormed the TV station and restored the TV signal after being met with, not bullets, but tear gas and water cannons the media questioned Abhisits control of the army after they offered futile resistance. Of course our favorite radical fundamentalist, Jatuporn, gave a reason why the army were less threatening than a new born baby. Not because Abhisit had tried countless times to negotiate a peaceful solution, not because he was a tolerant, Right Honorable man. What was Jatuporns reason? The government is not concerned about people lives but worries that glass at shopping malls may be shattered. That is why the government has not yet used more brutal force against us, MORE brutal force? So tear gas and water cannons is brutal force to our short plump all mouth accused terrorist!! This is the guy that leads armed terrorists that kidnap police and beat soldiers to within an inch of their lives. What a guy...

That is why he is my favorite radical fundamentalist and the leader of the UDD who represent 7% of the population. The most violent radical 7%.

I do not understand this myopic view. Why no mention of the scandalous occupation of the airport by armed yellow shirt terrorists? Why no historical context of the repeated murder of the Thai people by the military including the hanging from lampposts and burning alive of protesters? It is really simple. The people voted and yet again had their vote stolen at the point of a gun. Abhsit should rightly be charged with murder of both Thai and European nationals and indeed still may be. The current crooks hiding behind the skirts of 'order' and patriotism, came to power and are modelled on ****orships through out the ages. They would never have got in power via the ballet box but did so by the bullet. The terrorists are not the millions of people who voted and campaigned but those who are wearing uniforms and carrying automatic weapons paid for by the taxes of the people. A few right wing nut cases on this forum can bluster all they like but let the current leader organise an election and let him stand for election in a process overseen by an International Election Commission.

It is more than myopic. It is carefully selected selective memory posing as an argument.

[GeckosDiving]

Ah do the poor Reds want some Cheese with their WHINE.

Edited February 11, 2015 by GeckosDiving

[brucec64]

I must admit the Right Honorable Abhisit and Suthep should be held responsible somewhat for the deaths. Abhisit would have learnt a very important lesson that day that you cannot afford to be complacent when it comes to terrorism. He showed way too much tolerance and patience. Had he come in quicker and harder before the red shirts where so emboldened and confident he could have saved countless lives.

When the red shirts stormed the TV station and restored the TV signal after being met with, not bullets, but tear gas and water cannons the media questioned Abhisits control of the army after they offered futile resistance. Of course our favorite radical fundamentalist, Jatuporn, gave a reason why the army were less threatening than a new born baby. Not because Abhisit had tried countless times to negotiate a peaceful solution, not because he was a tolerant, Right Honorable man. What was Jatuporns reason? The government is not concerned about people lives but worries that glass at shopping malls may be shattered. That is why the government has not yet used more brutal force against us, MORE brutal force? So tear gas and water cannons is brutal force to our short plump all mouth accused terrorist!! This is the guy that leads armed terrorists that kidnap police and beat soldiers to within an inch of their lives. What a guy...

That is why he is my favorite radical fundamentalist and the leader of the UDD who represent 7% of the population. The most violent radical 7%.

I do not understand this myopic view. Why no mention of the scandalous occupation of the airport by armed yellow shirt terrorists? Why no historical context of the repeated murder of the Thai people by the military including the hanging from lampposts and burning alive of protesters? It is really simple. The people voted and yet again had their vote stolen at the point of a gun. Abhsit should rightly be charged with murder of both Thai and European nationals and indeed still may be. The current crooks hiding behind the skirts of 'order' and patriotism, came to power and are modelled on ****orships through out the ages. They would never have got in power via the ballet box but did so by the bullet. The terrorists are not the millions of people who voted and campaigned but those who are wearing uniforms and carrying automatic weapons paid for by the taxes of the people. A few right wing nut cases on this forum can bluster all they like but let the current leader organise an election and let him stand for election in a process overseen by an International Election Commission.

It is more than myopic. It is carefully selected selective memory posing as an argument.

Soon to be followed by the "Democracy is more than an election", then the 19 point list of Thaksin's alleged infractions, and finally a rant about how his children in Koen khan were in danger during the protests in Bangkok.

djjamie - no need to post, I saved you the time.

[heybruce]

The NCAA has two ways of thinking when it comes to the Reds and the Yellows. The Yellows are always right and the Reds always wrong. This is why they will never be an reconciliation here in Thailand. Just mind as well keep the Junta for Life instead of more coups.

This case is very difficult. Armed protesters were involved, government officials had been killed, not a plain vanilla case like many others.

correct

It's also worth noting that the above 2x posters (mango and ferang) completely fail to mention anything about that very clear fact

If I was in the security forces and was ordered to confront an armed crowd I would refuse to do it unless I was allowed to defend myself and my colleagues - it is really that simple

and if I was in the crowd as a peaceful participant I'd be making a hasty exit if guns came out, if I remained I'd only have myself to blame if injured or killed - it really is that simple

"If I was in the security forces and was ordered to confront an armed crowd I would refuse to do it unless I was allowed to defend myself and my colleagues - it is really that simple"

How would you react if you were facing unarmed reporters, or a nurse treating injured people in a temple compound? Don't you think their deaths should be investigated and someone held accountable?

[heybruce]

yawn, ...

What a riposte by a self proclaimed "true democrat".

He follows the Thaksin version democracy - it is what we say it is.

Right, much better to support the total absence of democracy.

[heybruce]

Ah, the yellows always get a free pass....history has few exceptions to this. There are a few, but they are far between.

The yellow shirt leader is in jail for 20 years while the red shirt leaders are walking free. Even with the reality of the situation so vividly clear some still fly against the face of it.

Here are the exceptions you mention just for January this year.

12^th of January - The Election Commissioner (EC) on Wednesday decided to throw out several complaints made against alleged election misconducts by former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra during the most recent general election in February, 2014.

13^th of January - The Administrative Court on Thursday dismissed a lawsuit filed by 28 Bangkok and Nakhon Pathom residents against former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra in which they demanded compensation for damages from alleged mismanagement of floodwaters by her government in 2011.

21^st of January - Former Pheu Thai MP Karoon Hosakul was granted bail after he was found guilty of defaming former Democrat MP Taenkhun Chit-isara

22^nd of January - The Criminal Court on Thursday acquitted two former ministers and a member of the Pheu Thai party of defamation charges lodged against them by former finance minister Korn Chatikavanich

RED SHIRT LEADER;

27^th of January - Jatuporn bailed after receiving a two year jail sentence for defaming a former premier in comments made in 2009.

YELLOW SHIRT LEADER;

The Appeals Court upheld the lower court’s 20-year jail sentence on yellow shirt leader Sondhi Limthongkul, founder of the Manager Media Group for falsifying loan documents and fraud.

Ahh, the reds always get a free pass. January has few exceptions to this.

When one side commits most of the crimes logic dictates that that side will be arrested and jailed more often. It is the supporters of that side that scream injustice akin to folk in jail in the west that all feel hard done by and felt they lacked "true" justice.

"When one side commits most of the crimes logic dictates that that side will be arrested and jailed more often. It is the supporters of that side that scream injustice akin to folk in jail in the west that all feel hard done by and felt they lacked "true" justice."

It's pretty clear that Suthep and his minions committed the majority of the crimes in using violence and intimidation to disrupt the Feb 2014 elections. How many of them have been arrested and jailed?

[Baerboxer]

yawn, ...

What a riposte by a self proclaimed "true democrat".

He follows the Thaksin version democracy - it is what we say it is.

Right, much better to support the total absence of democracy.

You mean rather than an election followed by a period of we can and will do as we please, including lying, cheating and refusing to obey laws and any kind of transparency; and if you object our boys will come round and see you kind of democracy?

Then yep, a in the open absence of democracy with a plan to reform to democracy is better than the lying pretense that democracy exists when it doesn't really.

[rubl]

The NCAA has two ways of thinking when it comes to the Reds and the Yellows. The Yellows are always right and the Reds always wrong. This is why they will never be an reconciliation here in Thailand. Just mind as well keep the Junta for Life instead of more coups.

the goal has never been reconciliation.

nor has it ever been cleaning up corruption.

nor was it ever about reform.

it's only ever been about control.

(also, love your typ-o... the NCAA is about basketball, the NACC is about kangaroo courts...)

You're getting really annoying with your 'kangaroo courts'. Furthermore you show a disrespect for courts here while at other times having no problem with their rulings. Somewhat inconsistent.

The NACC isn't about courts, the NACC is about the National Anti-Corruption Commission. Name doesn't really match their task otherwise they wouldn't even look into the 2010 case.

www.nacc.go.th/main.php?filename=index_en

[Tatsujin]

brucec64 > no I don't blindly accept that the Army has cleared themselves, I'm just stating "facts", as opposed to "beliefs" in what people might want to happen/occur, or what the law actually is at any given point of time here in Thailand.