1 dead in shooting at Copenhagen free speech event

[Jingthing]

Update 10.35 GMT:

Danish Police are reporting that they assume the man they have shot and killed was responsible for both shootings, the CCTV pic distrubuted by them is same man from an address they had been watching for some time? They are saying it is a terrorist attack but have not said Jihadist (at least not in this report) source UK Sky News

Seems is lucky the danes got to him before he entered the Cafe otherwise there would have been carnage

As he was relatively incompetent in his mass murdering skills, this one is gonna be a field day for the "false flag" fans.

[spidermike007]

Of course it's a terrorist attack.

Is she playing the Obama game of gingerly avoiding saying it was motivated by Islamic Jihad?

Blundering Barry is not a guy you want to emulate. His cowardice and lack of leadership ability is stunning.

[Alwyn]

Perhaps Denmark needs tighter gun control?

Or perhaps what it needs is no Muslims?

[spidermike007]

A pattern is starting to emerge here which makes me think of false flags. Many of these recent events like Boston, Sydney, Paris and now Copenhagen,there are relatively few fatalities, the perps are found very quickly indeed, indeed way too quickly....and then the main perp is shot dead and so is unable to talk. A perfect way to soften up a population of terrified sheeple for more wars and less human and civil rights.

Boston was no doubt a false flag. Too easy. Too simple. Those guys did not act alone. Something was very fishy about that whole episode.

[Johnny S]

Perhaps Denmark needs tighter gun control?

They need to get bordercontrol back in action and second to kick all 700,000 muslims out - New government is expected soon with DF in control - bye bye muslims

[Scott]

Off-topic, inflammatory, troll posts and replies removed.

[BestBitterPhuket]

The only solution is to ban Islam as an illegal cult, just like the Germans banned nazism. It has been proven again and again, that this cult has an undeniable negative effect on its followers and should thereby be banned in Europe. It's followers could of course continue to practice in states outside Europe where the religion is still allowed.

[baboon]

Perhaps Denmark needs tighter gun control?

They need to get bordercontrol back in action and second to kick all 700,000 muslims out - New government is expected soon with DF in control - bye bye muslims

DF?

[GaryAdriaenssens]

Hate to come up with it but the hard reality we have to ask ourselves is "where will it be next?" Because it will for sure. That's the price we're paying of decades of all too liberal immigration laws set out by corrupt mainstream parties and greedy industrialists. I agree with some of the comments made here, there are simply too many Muslims in the West in general and the majority doesn't belong there. Unwelcome decisions will have to be made, whether politically correct or not. Deportation is among one of the necessary options in preserving our own rights and security.

[Paulc01]

Hate to come up with it but the hard reality we have to ask ourselves is "where will it be next?" Because it will for sure. That's the price we're paying of decades of all too liberal immigration laws set out by corrupt mainstream parties and greedy industrialists. I agree with some of the comments made here, there are simply too many Muslims in the West in general and the majority doesn't belong there. Unwelcome decisions will have to be made, whether politically correct or not. Deportation is among one of the necessary options in preserving our own rights and security.

I'm not convinced that anything meaningful will occur. The media and educational institutions, not to mention the left wing political parties, aid organizations, and churches, are heavily invested in turning the West into a multicultural, multiethnic, multireligious ghetto. They will not go down easily. And your average European or American is too fearful of losing their job, being sued, or indicted by the government for thought crimes to do anything chancy.

[Mosha]

Perhaps Denmark needs tighter gun control?

They need to get bordercontrol back in action and second to kick all 700,000 muslims out - New government is expected soon with DF in control - bye bye muslims

DF?

Danish People's Party

[cookee68]

Islam has nothing to do with islam...

Its getting like that

[baboon]

Perhaps Denmark needs tighter gun control?

They need to get bordercontrol back in action and second to kick all 700,000 muslims out - New government is expected soon with DF in control - bye bye muslims

DF?

Danish People's Party

Thanks.

[StaffsShot]

I'm not convinced that anything meaningful will occur. The media and educational institutions, not to mention the left wing political parties, aid organizations, and churches, are heavily invested in turning the West into a multicultural, multiethnic, multireligious ghetto. They will not go down easily. And your average European or American is too fearful of losing their job, being sued, or indicted by the government for thought crimes to do anything chancy.

I agree with most of what you say, it's such a large multi cultural society in UK now the people resenting that daren't speak out for being called racist.

An undeniable fact is that in the not too distant future, the UK will be an Islamic country.

Because it's a fact the majority of infants born now are Muslim.

It's nonsense to talk about kicking them out, or interning them. It ain't gonna happen, the West has been sleep walking into this mess for years now

[NeverSure]

I just listened to a recording of the shooting at the cafe. LINK

1. I believe there were more than 30 shots which would indicate more than one gun because Ak-47's, M-16's and AK-74's tend to have magazines that hold either 20 or 30 rounds.

2. Some of the bursts sounded like semiautomatic i.e. one trigger pull for each shot.

3. A couple of bursts sounded fully automatic, machine gun style.

4. All of the shots sounded like smaller caliber than AK-47's as in M-16 or AK-74. But, it's a low quality recording so nothing is sure. It didn't sound like AK-47 which has a deeper sound but a slower moving, larger bullet.

5. I believe I heard AK-74's or M-16's.

(An AK-74 is built on the same platform as an AK-47, but the bullet is smaller and faster and has a greater range. It is similar ballistically to the M-16 but not as accurate.)

I think there may have been two shooters at the cafe.

It's hard to know what weapon was used yet. But i seriously doubt that it was something with 5.56 ammunition, that is very rare on street level in Europe, especially Scandinavia.

Most illegal guns comes from eastern europe(Ex. Yugoslavia in particular, mostly from Zastava Arms.) And it's not the 5.56 versions, its mostly the AK-47 knock off, with folding stock(Zastava M-70).

But in general on street level the Zastava M88 pistol is a favorite, as it is accessable and cheap. Assault rifles in Scandinavia is very rare. None the less he acquired one, its going to be interesting to know the whole story.

He could have been using the Zastava M84, CZ Scorpion knockoff. They appear on street level sometimes as well, and is chambered in 7.65 short. But eyewitness was saying that

they saw a apx. 100cm long plastic-like rifle, that does not sound as the M84.

Remember, 5.56 NATO is floating around, even in Thailand. I would think that if the gun was stolen it might be Western rather than the Kalashnikov (AK) variety. If it was smuggled, it could be comblock.

If the gun was described as plastic-like, that's more like a Western rifle than an Eastern Block or comblock rifle. Obviously I don't know what it was.

These guys are going to buy, steal, or smuggle guns. No laws will stop them.

[Bwanatickey]

Do not worry the BBC are already blaming the victims, by asking if the Danes free speech meeting was antagonist towards Islam.

Now for the Gaurdian readers to defend the gunman, it was the Europeans who provoked this attack, as European culture does not accommodate Islam.

We do not make Muslims feel welcome.

So welcome is soft Europe that thousands are invading in small armadas over the Med sea, to gain freedom in a Civilisation that their kids hate.

[JockPieandBeans]

Do not worry the BBC are already blaming the victims, by asking if the Danes free speech meeting was antagonist towards Islam.

Now for the Gaurdian readers to defend the gunman, it was the Europeans who provoked this attack, as European culture does not accommodate Islam.

We do not make Muslims feel welcome.

So welcome is soft Europe that thousands are invading in small armadas over the Med sea, to gain freedom in a Civilisation that their kids hate.

Seems that you may have been far closer to the truth than you realised.

Copenhagen shootings: Danish gunman 'had violent past'

Danish police say the gunman believed to have attacked a free-speech debate and a Copenhagen synagogue was 22, born in Denmark and known to them because of past violence.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31480921

[Publicus]

Eventually the pain caused by the cognitive dissonance from pretending this is just a temporary phenomenon will be greater than the pain of assessing what will have to be done in order to defeat the ideology of political Islam. That is the day change will begin. The first step will involve the rounding up of traitors who have facilitated civilization jihad, said traitors know this and will do everything to safeguard themselves at the expense of their nations, for that is what traitors do.

The second step will not involve any liberal solutions, too late for that. Mass deportations and internment pending this may well be on the cards, half way house options would just result in civil war.

Wow, I had not thought of it like that- IMO you are correct.

The one thing does logically and invariably lead to the other, yes..predictably so ..and such a quick and instantaneous acceptance and agreement besides.....

So what might be in store for the Civilization Traitors under the New Order that ships 'em out in the millions and millions like Stalin did and like Mao did....

[Steely Dan]

Eventually the pain caused by the cognitive dissonance from pretending this is just a temporary phenomenon will be greater than the pain of assessing what will have to be done in order to defeat the ideology of political Islam. That is the day change will begin. The first step will involve the rounding up of traitors who have facilitated civilization jihad, said traitors know this and will do everything to safeguard themselves at the expense of their nations, for that is what traitors do.

The second step will not involve any liberal solutions, too late for that. Mass deportations and internment pending this may well be on the cards, half way house options would just result in civil war.

Wow, I had not thought of it like that- IMO you are correct.

The one thing does logically and invariably lead to the other, yes..predictably so ..and such a quick and instantaneous acceptance and agreement besides.....

So what might be in store for the Civilization Traitors under the New Order that ships 'em out in the millions and millions like Stalin did and like Mao did....

It wouldn't be the powerless great unwashed who get their comeuppance, as with your obtuse inversion, it would be those with a degree of authority who sat on their hands or filed away reports of soaring crime from minorities they knowingly covered for. It would be those who refused to carry out even basic criminal record checks, so keen were they to meet ambitious targets to gerrymander the electoral process with floods of immigrants. It would be those who knowingly set up a two tier police force who ignored the cries of thousands of rape victims due to political correctness whilst demonizing and persecuting those who tried to stand up for their own culture. It is those who took back handers from foreign states and individuals for personal enrichment whilst knowingly harming their own nations at the behest of hostile aliens. It would be those who lied and covered up their treason by deliberate abuse of language in order to confuse their citizens as to which way is up or down. It would be those who funnel money to terrorists through ideologically motivated NGOs. And not forgetting those who make empty platitudes about freedom of speech whilst aiding and abetting Islamic blasphemy laws.

[Briggsy]

The BBC are again at great pains to avoid the word Islam and consistently place great weight on any theory that moves the story away from Moslem terrorists. They do this every time. It is a spinning of the story.

I am convinced that there is a high level editorial decision to play down any links to Moslem terrorists in news stories at the BBC. They probably believe they have a role to play in promoting multiculturalism. What they are actually doing is whitewashing appalling crimes which attack the freedoms people have died for and encourage the progress of a tyrannical hateful ideology.

[Briggsy]

The suspected gunman in two fatal shootings in Copenhagen has been named as 22-year-old Omar El-Hussein

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-16/copenhagen-shooting-gunmen-inspired-by-charlie-hebdo-attacks/6111770

[KhunMoo]

I just listened to a recording of the shooting at the cafe. LINK

1. I believe there were more than 30 shots which would indicate more than one gun because Ak-47's, M-16's and AK-74's tend to have magazines that hold either 20 or 30 rounds.

2. Some of the bursts sounded like semiautomatic i.e. one trigger pull for each shot.

3. A couple of bursts sounded fully automatic, machine gun style.

4. All of the shots sounded like smaller caliber than AK-47's as in M-16 or AK-74. But, it's a low quality recording so nothing is sure. It didn't sound like AK-47 which has a deeper sound but a slower moving, larger bullet.

5. I believe I heard AK-74's or M-16's.

(An AK-74 is built on the same platform as an AK-47, but the bullet is smaller and faster and has a greater range. It is similar ballistically to the M-16 but not as accurate.)

I think there may have been two shooters at the cafe.

It's hard to know what weapon was used yet. But i seriously doubt that it was something with 5.56 ammunition, that is very rare on street level in Europe, especially Scandinavia.

Most illegal guns comes from eastern europe(Ex. Yugoslavia in particular, mostly from Zastava Arms.) And it's not the 5.56 versions, its mostly the AK-47 knock off, with folding stock(Zastava M-70).

But in general on street level the Zastava M88 pistol is a favorite, as it is accessable and cheap. Assault rifles in Scandinavia is very rare. None the less he acquired one, its going to be interesting to know the whole story.

He could have been using the Zastava M84, CZ Scorpion knockoff. They appear on street level sometimes as well, and is chambered in 7.65 short. But eyewitness was saying that

they saw a apx. 100cm long plastic-like rifle, that does not sound as the M84.

Remember, 5.56 NATO is floating around, even in Thailand. I would think that if the gun was stolen it might be Western rather than the Kalashnikov (AK) variety. If it was smuggled, it could be comblock.

If the gun was described as plastic-like, that's more like a Western rifle than an Eastern Block or comblock rifle. Obviously I don't know what it was.

These guys are going to buy, steal, or smuggle guns. No laws will stop them.

I'm sorry if it sounds, like i'm trying to be a "know it all" - But i actually worked with exactly these things in the past. And trust me, 5.56 NATO is not something that "floats around" in Scandinavia(and especially NOT western produced 5.56 guns). IF it shows that the weapon is for example a Zastava M21 or similar, I'll bet almost anything, that he was firing .223 Remington and not 5.56 NATO.

Regarding 5.56 NATO in Scandinavia, you might have a very small chance to acquiring it, in small amounts, stolen from the army or national guard(primarily still using 7.62, new cadets gets a M4A1 5.56). But it would actually be the "enemy's" of this guy, that would be able to get their hands on munition in this caliber.(Hells Angels to be exact).

Latest information is, that the perpetrador was part of of an immigrant gang, called "Brothas" that is connected to a hosing project in Copenhagen, called "Møjlnerparken" (quite absurd, "Mjølner" is the name of Thors Hammer... ) Anyhow, the Brothas gang is involved in a gangwar, where they primarily are rivals to Hells Angels in Denmark. But actually for a short period acted as a strong-arm, for the bikers against other groups called "Blågards Plads" referring to the housing area where they belong and a group called VHK (now part of Satudarah-bikers) a small but very violent outside player, that fights all of them is the "Sjællør-banden" which is now called "La Reza". The other dominant biker group in Denmark, Bandidos normally stay out of this, as they focus on selling mainly amphetamines and some cocaine. So latest "alliances" is as follows: Hells Angels controls the sale of hashish from the freetown of "Christiania" (worth more than 6 billion Baht annually). Brothas, "Blågaards plads", VHK, and La Reza is selling outside of the freetown and trying to get the marked. Regular beefs arise as the bulk/whole-sellers(mainly French/Spanish-moroccan gangsters) sells to all groups. And the groups all meet in jail, once in a while = beefs.

(where is he going, with all this babble? )

Well, back to the 5.56 munitions, as the alliances do play a role in what he could get his hands on: He might have had access to very small amounts of 5.56 ammunition when Brothas for a short while, was the strong-arm of Hells Angels. But other than that, no. And a assault rifle in 5.56 - well, anything is possible - but other than the Zastavas chambered in 5.56, i really really really doubt it. Western produced 5.56 rifles is not something you will find in Danish homes, therefore, they don't surface on the black marked. In one out of 1000(or more) homes you'll find an old 12 gauge shotgun, with birdshots only, a hunting rifle in .308, a .22 for pest control on farms or .38/.22 pistols for target practice (shooting ranges ONLY).

A "funny" perspective on this terror-attack in Copenhagen, is that most likely. Without the gang wars about hashish in Copenhagen, this guy would not have this violent nature(he would have been around 15 when the wars started, so a perfect example of the "littlebrother" generation that is even more violent, than their predecessors). And he would not be able to acquire the guns for the attack. There is no doubt that religion played a role here, he most likely turned extremist in jail - but the main fault here, is not Islam. But a failed drug policy in the west and social issues of Copenhagen. This will of cause not be reported in the mainstream media, as this story is not as exciting, as linking this lone-wolf looser, to ISIS or Al Qaeda(who is actually not even operative, at this point).

[i claudius]

So he shot at a Jewish synagogue and a free speach event about the drawing of Mohamed ,because he was in a gang ,and it had nothing to do with the fact he was Muslim . do you work for the Guardian or the BBC?

[Briggsy]

So he shot at a Jewish synagogue and a free speach event about the drawing of Mohamed ,because he was in a gang ,and it had nothing to do with the fact he was Muslim . do you work for the Guardian or the BBC?

Indeed, clearly the congregation (?) of the synagogue and Swedish journalists and free-speech defenders were planning, in concert, I should add, to muscle in on Copenhagen's lucrative hashish dealing scene.

[KhunMoo]

So he shot at a Jewish synagogue and a free speach event about the drawing of Mohamed ,because he was in a gang ,and it had nothing to do with the fact he was Muslim . do you work for the Guardian or the BBC?

That is not what i'm saying - I'm simply stating, that this clown is first of all a criminal thug, that is the product of a failed drug policy in the west and some social issues, that is embarrassing for one of the top 3 richest countrys in the world.

There is not doubt, that his extremist ways (that he properly picked up in jail.) Was why he attacked those places - but again, without the other factors, he would never be able to carry out the attack, in a place like Denmark.

So he shot at a Jewish synagogue and a free speach event about the drawing of Mohamed ,because he was in a gang ,and it had nothing to do with the fact he was Muslim . do you work for the Guardian or the BBC?

Indeed, clearly the congregation (?) of the synagogue and Swedish journalists and free-speech defenders were planning, in concert, I should add, to muscle in on Copenhagen's lucrative hashish dealing scene.

I'm sorry for complicating the scenario with facts, an old work habit.

I know its easier, to just see things in black and white

Edited February 16, 2015 by KhunMoo

[Credo]

You are simply making excuses for his behavior.

The problem with these radicals is not the war on drugs and it is not the invention of gun powder.

[wabothai]

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I just listened to a recording of the shooting at the cafe. LINK

1. I believe there were more than 30 shots which would indicate more than one gun because Ak-47's, M-16's and AK-74's tend to have magazines that hold either 20 or 30 rounds.

2. Some of the bursts sounded like semiautomatic i.e. one trigger pull for each shot.

3. A couple of bursts sounded fully automatic, machine gun style.

4. All of the shots sounded like smaller caliber than AK-47's as in M-16 or AK-74. But, it's a low quality recording so nothing is sure. It didn't sound like AK-47 which has a deeper sound but a slower moving, larger bullet.

5. I believe I heard AK-74's or M-16's.

(An AK-74 is built on the same platform as an AK-47, but the bullet is smaller and faster and has a greater range. It is similar ballistically to the M-16 but not as accurate.)

I think there may have been two shooters at the cafe.

It's hard to know what weapon was used yet. But i seriously doubt that it was something with 5.56 ammunition, that is very rare on street level in Europe, especially Scandinavia.

Most illegal guns comes from eastern europe(Ex. Yugoslavia in particular, mostly from Zastava Arms.) And it's not the 5.56 versions, its mostly the AK-47 knock off, with folding stock(Zastava M-70).

But in general on street level the Zastava M88 pistol is a favorite, as it is accessable and cheap. Assault rifles in Scandinavia is very rare. None the less he acquired one, its going to be interesting to know the whole story.

He could have been using the Zastava M84, CZ Scorpion knockoff. They appear on street level sometimes as well, and is chambered in 7.65 short. But eyewitness was saying that

they saw a apx. 100cm long plastic-like rifle, that does not sound as the M84.

Another expert in devices to kill people.

May be we should bomb the shit out of Zastava (together with IS) and all the other places they fabricate killing devices.

[i claudius]

So he shot at a Jewish synagogue and a free speach event about the drawing of Mohamed ,because he was in a gang ,and it had nothing to do with the fact he was Muslim . do you work for the Guardian or the BBC?

That is not what i'm saying - I'm simply stating, that this clown is first of all a criminal thug, that is the product of a failed drug policy in the west and some social issues, that is embarrassing for one of the top 3 richest countrys in the world.

There is not doubt, that his extremist ways (that he properly picked up in jail.) Was why he attacked those places - but again, without the other factors, he would never be able to carry out the attack, in a place like Denmark.

So he shot at a Jewish synagogue and a free speach event about the drawing of Mohamed ,because he was in a gang ,and it had nothing to do with the fact he was Muslim . do you work for the Guardian or the BBC?

Indeed, clearly the congregation (?) of the synagogue and Swedish journalists and free-speech defenders were planning, in concert, I should add, to muscle in on Copenhagen's lucrative hashish dealing scene.

I'm sorry for complicating the scenario with facts, an old work habit.

I know its easier, to just see things in black and white

"I know its easier to see things in black and white"

I have always found ,if it walks like a duck ,quacks like a duck ,its usually a duck.

[NeverSure]

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It's hard to know what weapon was used yet. But i seriously doubt that it was something with 5.56 ammunition, that is very rare on street level in Europe, especially Scandinavia.

Most illegal guns comes from eastern europe(Ex. Yugoslavia in particular, mostly from Zastava Arms.) And it's not the 5.56 versions, its mostly the AK-47 knock off, with folding stock(Zastava M-70).

But in general on street level the Zastava M88 pistol is a favorite, as it is accessable and cheap. Assault rifles in Scandinavia is very rare. None the less he acquired one, its going to be interesting to know the whole story.

He could have been using the Zastava M84, CZ Scorpion knockoff. They appear on street level sometimes as well, and is chambered in 7.65 short. But eyewitness was saying that

they saw a apx. 100cm long plastic-like rifle, that does not sound as the M84.

Another expert in devices to kill people.

May be we should bomb the shit out of Zastava (together with IS) and all the other places they fabricate killing devices.

I get it. You want to eliminate guns and go to bombs. I take it you're a pacifist?

[KhunMoo]

You are simply making excuses for his behavior.

The problem with these radicals is not the war on drugs and it is not the invention of gun powder.

Ohh..Jesus. I'm not making excuses! I'm not muslim, i'm as pale as a bedsheet and I don't care about this clown. But one of the things I did work with, is analyzing exactly these things, in exactly that city! So i actually have some first hand information and a broader perspective, that non of you guys would ever get access to and that none of the media care about(not the mainstream anyhow) - as i said, its easier just to blame everything on religion. The attack yesterday is more complex, than just "christians vs. muslims"

If people think that i'm saying he picked out those targets, because of a gang war - they are not reading what I'm writing! Of cause this idiot picked out exactly those targets, becaus he felt, he had to protect Islam/the prophet/punish the west...what ever somebody idiot whispered in his ear.

Again this clown, is not a product of the middleeast, but a product of the dirty corners of our own backyard, mixed with a twisted version of a stupid fairytale(religion).

if one can not see that, you are uneducated and/or uninformed - end of story.

Without that specifik conflict inside Copenhagen, this would not be possible for that idiot. Maybe someone else...but not him. That is based on facts and knowledge on the exact people involved, conflicts in that area and the place he grew up.

I'm not making ANY speculations about the general problem with terrorism in the west, carried out by muslim extremists - i'm only stating facts about that one incident that happened yesterday in Copenhagen.

THAT IS NOT AN EXCUSE, ITS AN EXPLANATION. (&lt;deleted&gt;!)