German businessman dies of gun wound in Pattaya

[Thaivisa News]

Pattaya, Chon Buri:- A German businessman died of a gun wound on his head early Monday while his girlfriend told police that he turned the gun on himself.

Pol Maj Jirasak Aebfaeng, an interrogator of Nongplua police station, said Arthur Wilhelm Grudda, 41, was pronounced dead at Bangkok-Pattaya Hospital.

Jirasak said he was alerted at 5:30 am Monday that a foreigner shot himself and was severely injured inside a house on Soi Pornprapha Nimitr 27 in Tambon Nongplua in Bang Lamung district.

Jirasak in turn alerted the Sawang Boribun Foundation, which sent rescuers to the house. The rescuers found Grudda with a severe gunshot on his right temple and he was still breathing weakly. He was rushed to the Bangkok-Pattaya Hospital.

Police found a .38 homemade gun at the scene.

Grudda’s girlfriend, Sunaree Kingsida, 22, told police that the German shot himself after a quarrel with her which prompted her to tell him that she decided to end the relationship. Sunaree said she has been living with Grudda for two years.

Before the quarrel, she said she found a picture of Grudda with another woman on his smartphone so she cried foul. Sunaree said during the quarrel, Grudda allegedly beat her until another foreign businessman living in the same house stepped in to tell him to stop.

Sunaree said she had been often beat during quarrels so she decided to break up with him. She said she packed her belongings and went in Grudda’s room to tell him that she was leaving.

She claimed that Grudda suddenly pulled out the gun under the pillow and shot himself at the right temple.

[AlanAunuum]

yeah as if,more like he was pissed of with her attitude,told her to pack her bags and go,she saw the ATM was closing so decided to close her account permenantly

[Neeranam]

Why on earth do well-educated men ruin their lives over scamming bar girls?

Speculating perhaps but the odds are this is the fact

[ratcatcher]

Guy was a woman beater, fooled around on his girlfriend, she told him it was over and she was leaving him, he shoots himself.

Moral of the story: Don't have pictures of other women on your not-so-smart phone.

[Just1Voice]

Wonder if the Thai BIB are smart enough, or have the technology to do a GSR test on the man AND the woman?

[NeverSure]

I don't know how much forensic testing Thais can do. Just as important, I don't know how much they will do.

Gunshot residue on hands is just one. The distance the gun was from his head is easily determined by the spreading of the powder residue. Then there's the angle the bullet entered needing to be consistent with his ability and normal way to hold the gun.

There's a lot more. Suicide seems to me to be an easy answer.

[mickyboy]

yeah as if,more like he was pissed of with her attitude,told her to pack her bags and go,she saw the ATM was closing so decided to close her account permenantly

thats great comment made m chuckle

[webfact]

German shoots himself in the head and later dies at Pattaya Hospital



PATTAYA: -- A German businessman, who imports Wine into Thailand, reportedly shot himself in the head at his luxury home in East Pattaya early on Monday Morning following an argument with his girlfriend.

Police and medics rushed to the house in Soi Pornprapanimit 27 just before 5am and assisted Mr. Arthur Wilhelm Grudda aged 40. He was lying on his bed and had sustained a serious head trauma. He was breathing heavily and was unconscious. Nearby on the floor was a 38 caliber handgun, which he is suspected of using to shoot himself in the side of his head.

As Mr. Grudda was rushed to Hospital, Police spoke with his Girlfriend, Khun Sunaree aged 22, who revealed that the pair had earlier argued over photos of women on Mr. Grudda’s phone. Despite him claiming he had not been in contact with the women since he met Khun Sunaree, the argument intensified and culminated in the woman packing her bags and preparing to leave Mr. Grudda.

Full story: http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/172816/german-shoots-himself-in-the-head-and-later-dies-at-pattaya-hospital/


-- Pattaya One 2015-02-24

[daoyai]

I wonder if they checked her hands for GSR? After his arrest for the 2013 D.L. scams why was he allowed to stay? that seems like a major crime.

[englishoak]

She claimed that Grudda suddenly pulled out the gun under the pillow and shot himself at the right temple.

Q 1 was he left or right handed ?

[kotsak]

Shot twice I bet..

[Andrew65]

yeah as if,more like he was pissed of with her attitude,told her to pack her bags and go,she saw the ATM was closing so decided to close her account permenantly

...or she was pissed off with him screwing anything with a pussy & a pulse whilst being in a "relationship" with her.

Thailand is the best and the hardest place in the world to be in a faithful relationship.

However, I might be wrong on that, but I have heard a thousand one-sided sob-stories whilst living in this beautiful country! (Almost all of them from farang men).

[rheinwiese]

Same dude?

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/604530-pattaya-police-arrest-german-in-fake-driving-license-scam/

[Andrew65]

yeah as if,more like he was pissed of with her attitude,told her to pack her bags and go,she saw the ATM was closing so decided to close her account permenantly

...or she was pissed off with him screwing anything with a pussy & a pulse whilst being in a "relationship" with her.

Thailand is the best and the hardest place in the world to be in a faithful relationship.

However, I might be wrong on that, but I have heard a thousand one-sided sob-stories whilst living in this beautiful country! (Almost all of them from farang men).

I forgot to say - RIP

Also, as I said, maybe totally blameless.

[cumgranosalum]

Why on earth do well-educated men ruin their lives over scamming bar girls?

Speculating perhaps but the odds are this is the fact

"well educated"???

[catterwell]

Same dude?

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/604530-pattaya-police-arrest-german-in-fake-driving-license-scam/

Same gal??

[bangkokheat]

bs written all over this one,

[bangkokheat]

wonder who gets the wine business

[Andrew65]

Why on earth do well-educated men ruin their lives over scamming bar girls?

Speculating perhaps but the odds are this is the fact

"well educated"???

Agreed, where in the article does it indicate that this guy was well-educated!?

[Soutpeel]

Grudda allegedly beat her until another foreign businessman living in the same house stepped in to tell him to stop.

So what does the other businessman have to say about this ?...surely the police would take a statement from him which would confirm this ?

Khun Sunaree aged 22, who revealed that the pair had earlier argued over photos of women on Mr. Grudda’s phone. Despite him claiming he had not been in contact with the women since he met Khun Sunaree, the argument intensified and culminated in the woman packing her bags and preparing to leave Mr. Grudda.

I suspect there is a bit missing out of this paragraph, ie the bit where Khun Sunaree, aged 22 went into the bed room grabbed .38 and shot the guy in a fit of jealous rage...

doesn't that seem more like Thailand ?

[green job]

I don't know how much forensic testing Thais can do. Just as important, I don't know how much they will do.

Gunshot residue on hands is just one. The distance the gun was from his head is easily determined by the spreading of the powder residue. Then there's the angle the bullet entered needing to be consistent with his ability and normal way to hold the gun.

There's a lot more. Suicide seems to me to be an easy answer.

Powder?? Black powder? French? Powder residue? So you are saying the .38 was loaded with gunpowder ? or maybe Blue Dot.

RIP Poor bloke.

[Thai Travel Bug]

Why all the conspiracy theories and so much doubt over a suicide. He had been in this relationship for two years, he was found to be screwing around, he was in business, and who knows just how well he was going. May have been drunk, may have thought he is going to lose his business, now through stupidity going to lose his girlfriend, maybe like so many others, had just had enough of the possible hole he had dug for himself in Thailand, could have been a financial wreck, could have been a depressed heavy drinker, could have been a world of things. Who knows what causes people to tip over the edge. Just last week an Irishman found out he was about to lose his home, and took a 36 story dive in Naklua. IF she really wanted to have killed him, she will have long waited until he stopped his heavy breathing before contacting authorities, and yes, they can test for residual gunpowder traces on both her, and on the deceased in Thailand, they haven't been living under a rock for quite some time. Sometimes, people have just had enough, and the catalyst of his girlfriend threatening to move out may have just done it. Is it the Thai's that confuse us, or is it much more likely that it is us that confuses the Thais. Think about it.

[Loles]

555 for this very smart girl's fairy tail.

1. So she found a picture of new girl.

2. She wanted to make end of relationship.

3. The guy killed himself.

555555555555555555555555555555555

RIP German buddy, if you take 20 yrs old Isaan girl from bar this is not a life-insurance.

[car720]

Why all the conspiracy theories and so much doubt over a suicide. He had been in this relationship for two years, he was found to be screwing around, he was in business, and who knows just how well he was going. May have been drunk, may have thought he is going to lose his business, now through stupidity going to lose his girlfriend, maybe like so many others, had just had enough of the possible hole he had dug for himself in Thailand, could have been a financial wreck, could have been a depressed heavy drinker, could have been a world of things. Who knows what causes people to tip over the edge. Just last week an Irishman found out he was about to lose his home, and took a 36 story dive in Naklua. IF she really wanted to have killed him, she will have long waited until he stopped his heavy breathing before contacting authorities, and yes, they can test for residual gunpowder traces on both her, and on the deceased in Thailand, they haven't been living under a rock for quite some time. Sometimes, people have just had enough, and the catalyst of his girlfriend threatening to move out may have just done it. Is it the Thai's that confuse us, or is it much more likely that it is us that confuses the Thais. Think about it.

If we confuse the Thais then how come they have learned to know us so well that they can tell almost to the baht how much money we have got in our pocket and which procedure will work best to part us from said money. If you don't know this to be true then you just don't know Thailand at all.

Add to that the fact that they can do it in just about any language there is.

[gk10002000]

I just don't believe that so many farang commit suicides, and so many of them are with these circumstances of a recent fight with their Thai girl or wife. I could nominally expect the guy might be mad and shoot the girl for pestering him. But so many stories of the farang jumping out of a 36 floor balcony or shooting or hanging himself. I just think it is statistically unlike anything experienced in other countries. But I have no data to support that.

[kaorop]

Grudda allegedly beat her until another foreign businessman living in the same house stepped in to tell him to stop.

So what does the other businessman have to say about this ?...surely the police would take a statement from him which would confirm this ?

Khun Sunaree aged 22, who revealed that the pair had earlier argued over photos of women on Mr. Grudda’s phone. Despite him claiming he had not been in contact with the women since he met Khun Sunaree, the argument intensified and culminated in the woman packing her bags and preparing to leave Mr. Grudda.

I suspect there is a bit missing out of this paragraph, ie the bit where Khun Sunaree, aged 22 went into the bed room grabbed .38 and shot the guy in a fit of jealous rage...

doesn't that seem more like Thailand ?

just slightly

he was doing well? nice house? young gf? reportedly handing out beatings? if true

shoots himself?????????? not bloody likely,

they might need to see where the thai bf was at the time to

rip

[gk10002000]

Same dude?

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/604530-pattaya-police-arrest-german-in-fake-driving-license-scam/

Yes it is the same man, Herr Gruddha. The pattaya website has Gruddha's name and passport ID photo page.

Edited February 24, 2015 by gk10002000

[ukrules]

Guy was a woman beater, fooled around on his girlfriend, she told him it was over and she was leaving him, he shoots himself.

Moral of the story: Don't have pictures of other women on your not-so-smart phone.

Why would he kill himself over a woman he obviously wasn't that attached to, after all he was seeing someone else right ?

[Larry001]

I cannot believe some of the comments, assumptions, and accusations here. I know these people, and some of the morons commenting on this site have little better to do than comment on things and people they know nothing about....Alan Aunuum, Neeranum and so many others making comments, without knowing the background and current situation of people involved. You are incorrect on so many points and prove yourselves to be idiots with very boring lives

[ratcatcher]

Why all the conspiracy theories and so much doubt over a suicide. He had been in this relationship for two years, he was found to be screwing around, he was in business, and who knows just how well he was going. May have been drunk, may have thought he is going to lose his business, now through stupidity going to lose his girlfriend, maybe like so many others, had just had enough of the possible hole he had dug for himself in Thailand, could have been a financial wreck, could have been a depressed heavy drinker, could have been a world of things. Who knows what causes people to tip over the edge. Just last week an Irishman found out he was about to lose his home, and took a 36 story dive in Naklua. IF she really wanted to have killed him, she will have long waited until he stopped his heavy breathing before contacting authorities, and yes, they can test for residual gunpowder traces on both her, and on the deceased in Thailand, they haven't been living under a rock for quite some time. Sometimes, people have just had enough, and the catalyst of his girlfriend threatening to move out may have just done it. Is it the Thai's that confuse us, or is it much more likely that it is us that confuses the Thais. Think about it.

If we confuse the Thais then how come they have learned to know us so well that they can tell almost to the baht how much money we have got in our pocket and which procedure will work best to part us from said money. If you don't know this to be true then you just don't know Thailand at all.

Add to that the fact that they can do it in just about any language there is.