Capital punishment concerns raised over Thai backpackers' murder case

[AleG]

All we can say is that there have been conflicting RTP reports issued all along the road. That is a fact, not the underlying evidence which has yet to be tested in court. As Berybert says, the influential people were released immediately without any attempt to prove or disprove their alibis, yet it took months to string together a case to implicate the B2 in the murders of the two victims. Clearly, at best, it's all circumstantial.

Any reasonable person with an open mind could conclude that there are too many doubts about the right persons being accused of murder. It just doesn't fit. No murder weapon, no DNA on the hoe, no case to answer in respect of David's death. If that is accepted by the court, it casts doubts on the veracity of the subsequent murder as per the RTP's re-enactment scenario.

Sorry, I just don't buy it, and I've yet to read how the B2 could have killed David without any evidence so far reported.

They tested the DNA of two of the suspects you said they made no attempt to prove their innocence, and they checked CCTV and documentation that proved the other was no in Koh Tao, why do you deliberately spread false information?

Also false, that there is no DNA on the hoe, and you contradict yourself from one sentence to the other saying there is no murder weapon, plus you deliberately leave out the murder and rape of Hannah Whiteridge.

The problem is not that things don't fit, the problem is that you are trying very hard to make them not fit.

[jdinasia]

Does this no one include the girl who said he didn't show up to class for, was it the next school day or the next school week, and his cousin who said he was with her in Bangkok while she was in Pattaya ?

These are things that need to be explained.

They don't need any public explanation. You seem to think that claims on social media are in some way evidence. They aren't.

[rockingrobin]

Aleg

The statement you quote refers to the Father and Mon

"Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen has confirmed that they have released the two prime suspects they earlier thought to be involved directly to the murder of Hannah Witheridge and David Miller, stating they don’t have enough evidence to prove their connection."

http://www.chiangraitimes.com/police-release-suspects-in-murder-of-two-brits-in-koh-tao.html

You should explain that to Boomerangutang to see if he can wean off of his fixation with the "Headman's people".

Aleg

, the article states that they was still searching for the son, who the RTP claimed fled the island

It was the next day that the RTP announced he wasnt on the island

[stephenterry]

All we can say is that there have been conflicting RTP reports issued all along the road. That is a fact, not the underlying evidence which has yet to be tested in court. As Berybert says, the influential people were released immediately without any attempt to prove or disprove their alibis, yet it took months to string together a case to implicate the B2 in the murders of the two victims. Clearly, at best, it's all circumstantial.

Any reasonable person with an open mind could conclude that there are too many doubts about the right persons being accused of murder. It just doesn't fit. No murder weapon, no DNA on the hoe, no case to answer in respect of David's death. If that is accepted by the court, it casts doubts on the veracity of the subsequent murder as per the RTP's re-enactment scenario.

Sorry, I just don't buy it, and I've yet to read how the B2 could have killed David without any evidence so far reported.

They tested the DNA of two of the suspects you said they made no attempt to prove their innocence, and they checked CCTV and documentation that proved the other was no in Koh Tao, why do you deliberately spread false information?

Also false, that there is no DNA on the hoe, and you contradict yourself from one sentence to the other saying there is no murder weapon, plus you deliberately leave out the murder and rape of Hannah Whiteridge.

The problem is not that things don't fit, the problem is that you are trying very hard to make them not fit.

Ale G. David's DNA was NOT FOUND on the hoe (as per BKK RTP autopsy report). The whole case could hinge on the autopsy conclusions as to what caused David's death. My understanding is that a blow to his head rendered him unconscious and he was left to drown in the surf. The B2 didn't use the hoe on David. No other weapon was found at the crime scene, no bottle, no broken glass. There is no direct link to them and David's death. Being in the vicinity of the crime scene is no evidence of a crime being committed.

Hannah's death was caused by the hoe, her DNA was on it, not the suspects. Again, there is no direct link to her murder. If the circumstantial evidence of a DNA match in respect of her rape is accepted as being beyond reasonable doubt, that's all the B2 could be accused of. It's a serious crime, and I hope it can be successfully challenged if there are doubts as to its credence.

No fair-minded person seeking truth and justice could then jump to the conclusion that because the B2 possibly raped Hannah, that they are guilty of their murders when there is no evidence to support that. Murder is the most serious crime, and it would be wrong to convict a suspect without evidence to support that conviction.

So, yes, I do not buy into the theory that the B2 committed murder that night.

Edited March 15, 2015 by stephenterry

[JLCrab]

At least as far as you are personally concerned, ain't nobody of any consequence selling.

[boomerangutang]

Because it happened on the 25th of September, a whole week before Panya was promoted as scheduled since before the murders.

It's not a big deal whether it was specifically Panya or his replacement who steered the investigation to solely focus on the Burmese. The fact remains, that from the get-go, the investigation was always looking to indict Burmese migrants. As soon as it was deemed enough evidence was dug up to indict the B2 (evidence that most of us think is contrived), then there was zero focus on those who had been prime suspects for over a week up to that point. ZERO. It was though Mon and Nomsod ceased to exist as far as RTP were concerned. ...except Mon showed up to scowl at the B2 (along with a bevy of other scowling men in uniform, many of whom also had their fists clenched) before and during the farcical reenactment.

If you know who the real killers are you can contact the defense team to offer your witness testimony.

I would venture that if evidence were shown in court which implicated the real killers, the judges wouldn't allow it, because all the judges or prosecution would have to say is: "The two Burmese men are on trial here. No one else." ...and the evidence would be deemed off-topic, moot or diversionary, or whatever legal-speak they use.

You seem to think that claims on social media are in some way evidence. They aren't.

that's addressed to berybert, but I'll respond. Social media has come forth with a lot of useful things which the cops either couldn't find or didn't want to see, because it implicates the H's people. Many photos (including a person of interest with a sharks tooth ring), some diagrams, even a video which demonstrates how the hoe could not have been used to cause the stabbing wounds found on David. Some of social media entries are useless, but many may prove to be useful. It was also social media which proved that it couldn't have been Hannah's phone which was found (planted by RTP) at the B's shack. Immediately after, the RTP changed their claim to say it was 'David's phone' ...which in itself is doubtful.

[jdinasia]

If you don't have enough evidence to convict someone you get more evidence. They didn't have enough evidence to convict the Burmese. It took them months to gather enough so called evidence.

Why did they spend months going after evidence to convict the Burmese, yet gave up on the other top suspects with in a week. Despite having CCTV that they could have demanded to look at. Don't tell me CCTV is private property when it could implicate a double murder suspect.

Didn't one of the original 2 suspects have a 60% match of DNA, isn't DNA something that runs in the family ?

How can one person be a 60% match yet his son be 0%.

You may wish to review what you are claiming are facts. They aren't.

All you need to do is prove a connection to claim the 1,000,000 thb. Yet since the offer was made, and despite the claims that the majority support the conspiracy theories, nobody has been able to claim that reward. Not one legitimate news agency picked up the claims by the conspiracy theorists and proved any of them to be correct. One million baht is a huge amount of cash, you would think someone would have claimed it.....

[stephenterry]

Because it happened on the 25th of September, a whole week before Panya was promoted as scheduled since before the murders.

It's not a big deal whether it was specifically Panya or his replacement who steered the investigation to solely focus on the Burmese. The fact remains, that from the get-go, the investigation was always looking to indict Burmese migrants. As soon as it was deemed enough evidence was dug up to indict the B2 (evidence that most of us think is contrived), then there was zero focus on those who had been prime suspects for over a week up to that point. ZERO. It was though Mon and Nomsod ceased to exist as far as RTP were concerned. ...except Mon showed up to scowl at the B2 (along with a bevy of other scowling men in uniform, many of whom also had their fists clenched) before and during the farcical reenactment.

If you know who the real killers are you can contact the defense team to offer your witness testimony.

I would venture that if evidence were shown in court which implicated the real killers, the judges wouldn't allow it, because all the judges or prosecution would have to say is: "The two Burmese men are on trial here. No one else." ...and the evidence would be deemed off-topic, moot or diversionary, or whatever legal-speak they use.

You seem to think that claims on social media are in some way evidence. They aren't.

that's addressed to berybert, but I'll respond. Social media has come forth with a lot of useful things which the cops either couldn't find or didn't want to see, because it implicates the H's people. Many photos (including a person of interest with a sharks tooth ring), some diagrams, even a video which demonstrates how the hoe could not have been used to cause the stabbing wounds found on David. Some of social media entries are useless, but many may prove to be useful. It was also social media which proved that it couldn't have been Hannah's phone which was found (planted by RTP) at the B's shack. Immediately after, the RTP changed their claim to say it was 'David's phone' ...which in itself is doubtful.

You're flogging a dead horse, Boom.

[boomerangutang]

No fair-minded person seeking truth and justice could then jump to the conclusion that because the B2 possibly raped Hannah, that they are guilty of their murders when there is no evidence to support that.

The PM himself said if the DNA matches (found in Hanna's, ...along with the perps), then those are the men who are also the murderers.

It's not uncommon, in Thailand, for a person of authority to dictate the desired results of a crime investigation - and then all those of lower ranks toeing the line. Thaksin and Chaleum (among many others) did that numerous times.

[boomerangutang]

You're flogging a dead horse, Boom.

Yes, I agree, ....and I'm not even a flogger.

[stephenterry]

No fair-minded person seeking truth and justice could then jump to the conclusion that because the B2 possibly raped Hannah, that they are guilty of their murders when there is no evidence to support that.

The PM himself said if the DNA matches (found in Hanna's, ...along with the perps), then those are the men who are also the murderers.

It's not uncommon, in Thailand, for a person of authority to dictate the desired results of a crime investigation - and then all those of lower ranks toeing the line. Thaksin and Chaleum (among many others) did that numerous times.

No fair-minded person seeking truth and justice - says it all, really about what this country hasn't yet embraced.

[AleG]

Because it happened on the 25th of September, a whole week before Panya was promoted as scheduled since before the murders.

It's not a big deal whether it was specifically Panya or his replacement who steered the investigation to solely focus on the Burmese. The fact remains, that from the get-go, the investigation was always looking to indict Burmese migrants. As soon as it was deemed enough evidence was dug up to indict the B2 (evidence that most of us think is contrived), then there was zero focus on those who had been prime suspects for over a week up to that point. ZERO. It was though Mon and Nomsod ceased to exist as far as RTP were concerned. ...except Mon showed up to scowl at the B2 (along with a bevy of other scowling men in uniform, many of whom also had their fists clenched) before and during the farcical reenactment.

If you know who the real killers are you can contact the defense team to offer your witness testimony.

I would venture that if evidence were shown in court which implicated the real killers, the judges wouldn't allow it, because all the judges or prosecution would have to say is: "The two Burmese men are on trial here. No one else." ...and the evidence would be deemed off-topic, moot or diversionary, or whatever legal-speak they use.

You seem to think that claims on social media are in some way evidence. They aren't.

that's addressed to berybert, but I'll respond. Social media has come forth with a lot of useful things which the cops either couldn't find or didn't want to see, because it implicates the H's people. Many photos (including a person of interest with a sharks tooth ring), some diagrams, even a video which demonstrates how the hoe could not have been used to cause the stabbing wounds found on David. Some of social media entries are useless, but many may prove to be useful. It was also social media which proved that it couldn't have been Hannah's phone which was found (planted by RTP) at the B's shack. Immediately after, the RTP changed their claim to say it was 'David's phone' ...which in itself is doubtful.

O, what a tangled web we weave when first we practise to deceive!

Your tripping over your own feet like stephenterry:

"The fact remains, that from the get-go, the investigation was always looking to indict Burmese migrants.... then there was zero focus on those who had been prime suspects for over a week up to that point. ZERO. It was though Mon and Nomsod ceased to exist as far as RTP were concerned"

It's one or the other, they were after Burmese or they were after Thais (to say nothing of the English that were deemed suspected at some point), you are just making things up as you go and repeatedly ignoring all the times you have been proven wrong about your "facts", oh right, facts are not a big deal to you.

[JLCrab]

From The Guardian article linked in Post #1 this topic (remember?)

" ... under Thai law the prosecution is not obliged to divulge its evidence in advance"

So how is anyone to make a judgment on the fairness of the case of the prosecution at this juncture if they are not privy to the evidence held by the Prosecution?

[jdinasia]

No fair-minded person seeking truth and justice could then jump to the conclusion that because the B2 possibly raped Hannah, that they are guilty of their murders when there is no evidence to support that.

The PM himself said if the DNA matches (found in Hanna's, ...along with the perps), then those are the men who are also the murderers.

It's not uncommon, in Thailand, for a person of authority to dictate the desired results of a crime investigation - and then all those of lower ranks toeing the line. Thaksin and Chaleum (among many others) did that numerous times.

Because you say so? Thaksin sued people so many times and most of those cases failed. Chalerm? Did he ever get the results he said he would?

[balo]

Does this no one include the girl who said he didn't show up to class for, was it the next school day or the next school week, and his cousin who said he was with her in Bangkok while she was in Pattaya ?

These are things that need to be explained.

So jdasia what are your thoughts on the above?

I can reply to that . It was just rumors posted on facebook . Show me the original article from the press about this ?

Why don't you just call the school yourself and ask if he was there as the CCTV clearly shows? Don't you think thats been done a long time ago ? Do you think the whole UNI try to protect him in a big coverup?

Ask yourself these questions instead of chasing a theory.

[Scott]

Please don't post responses inside the quote box. There is one post with different colored text for the response, but this is still confusing. Future posts will be removed.

[jdinasia]

Does this no one include the girl who said he didn't show up to class for, was it the next school day or the next school week, and his cousin who said he was with her in Bangkok while she was in Pattaya ?

These are things that need to be explained.

So jdasia what are your thoughts on the above?

Why ask jdinasai? He/she can craftily refute everything that might implicate the two men who were designated the original prime suspects (and who should still be). Why is he/she so fixated on shielding the two original prime suspects? The reasons are obvious (except for possible added reasons not divulged) and have been stated numerous times already.

They weren't the "original prime suspects" as you well know. They have been cleared, and your "and who should still be" is defamation pure and simple.

I am not shielding anyone nor could I. I have no connection to the case other than that I am interested in it, and in seeing how far the conspiracy theorists will push their agenda.

[Mooner]

Does this no one include the girl who said he didn't show up to class for, was it the next school day or the next school week, and his cousin who said he was with her in Bangkok while she was in Pattaya ?

These are things that need to be explained.

So jdasia what are your thoughts on the above?

I can reply to that . It was just rumors posted on facebook . Show me the original article from the press about this ?

Why don't you just call the school yourself and ask if he was there as the CCTV clearly shows? Don't you think thats been done a long time ago ? Do you think the whole UNI try to protect him in a big coverup?

Ask yourself these questions instead of chasing a theory.

A runor on Fb? There was a screenshot posted. Regarding the CCTV and classmates etc. There is nothing to lie about. He could of easily been back in time, speedboats, plane etc.

Before anyone goes off on one. Im saying its possible, not that it happened.

[jdinasia]

Does this no one include the girl who said he didn't show up to class for, was it the next school day or the next school week, and his cousin who said he was with her in Bangkok while she was in Pattaya ?

These are things that need to be explained.

So jdasia what are your thoughts on the above?

I can reply to that . It was just rumors posted on facebook . Show me the original article from the press about this ?

Why don't you just call the school yourself and ask if he was there as the CCTV clearly shows? Don't you think thats been done a long time ago ? Do you think the whole UNI try to protect him in a big coverup?

Ask yourself these questions instead of chasing a theory.

A runor on Fb? There was a screenshot posted. Regarding the CCTV and classmates etc. There is nothing to lie about. He could of easily been back in time, speedboats, plane etc.

Before anyone goes off on one. Im saying its possible, not that it happened.

LOL.

Yes rumors on FB. He was cleared. There's a 1,000,000 reward for proof of his involvement. No claims have been made. People are placing him in BKK, nobody is placing him on the island. Despite the oft repeated claims "everyone knows"....

[berybert]

If you don't have enough evidence to convict someone you get more evidence. They didn't have enough evidence to convict the Burmese. It took them months to gather enough so called evidence.

Why did they spend months going after evidence to convict the Burmese, yet gave up on the other top suspects with in a week. Despite having CCTV that they could have demanded to look at. Don't tell me CCTV is private property when it could implicate a double murder suspect.

Didn't one of the original 2 suspects have a 60% match of DNA, isn't DNA something that runs in the family ?

How can one person be a 60% match yet his son be 0%.

You may wish to review what you are claiming are facts. They aren't.

All you need to do is prove a connection to claim the 1,000,000 thb. Yet since the offer was made, and despite the claims that the majority support the conspiracy theories, nobody has been able to claim that reward. Not one legitimate news agency picked up the claims by the conspiracy theorists and proved any of them to be correct. One million baht is a huge amount of cash, you would think someone would have claimed it.....

So you are saying they didn't give up on the original suspects after a week. And they didn't spend months on end gathering evidence to convict the Burmese guys ?

Tell me how much is a million baht worth to you if you knew you were going to die as soon as you claimed it ?

Why didn't the other 3 or 4 thousand Burmese on the island point out the accused. That's more money than they would earn in 2 years.

[berybert]

A runor on Fb? There was a screenshot posted. Regarding the CCTV and classmates etc. There is nothing to lie about. He could of easily been back in time, speedboats, plane etc.

Before anyone goes off on one. Im saying its possible, not that it happened.

LOL.

Yes rumors on FB. He was cleared. There's a 1,000,000 reward for proof of his involvement. No claims have been made. People are placing him in BKK, nobody is placing him on the island. Despite the oft repeated claims "everyone knows"....

As for this one, can you actually point out 1 claim that he was in Bangkok at the time of the murder ? proving he was in Bangkok later in the day of the murder after he would have had enough time to get back from the island isn't really the same as saying he wasn't there is it ?

[boomerangutang]

All you need to do is prove a connection to claim the 1,000,000 thb. Yet since the offer was made, and despite the claims that the majority support the conspiracy theories, nobody has been able to claim that reward. Not one legitimate news agency picked up the claims by the conspiracy theorists and proved any of them to be correct. One million baht is a huge amount of cash, you would think someone would have claimed it.....

Come on, get real. Can you picture the Headman paying 1 million baht cash to someone who proves a connection (which satisfies everyone) between Mon or Nomsod and the crime? If you believe that, you'll believe Chaleum was going to chop off his own head if Thaksin didn't return in December 2012 - a promise that Chaleum made publicly.

This is Thailand, JD. People get emotional and make all sorts of ridiculous claims that everyone knows won't be carried out.

[jdinasia]

If you don't have enough evidence to convict someone you get more evidence. They didn't have enough evidence to convict the Burmese. It took them months to gather enough so called evidence.

Why did they spend months going after evidence to convict the Burmese, yet gave up on the other top suspects with in a week. Despite having CCTV that they could have demanded to look at. Don't tell me CCTV is private property when it could implicate a double murder suspect.

Didn't one of the original 2 suspects have a 60% match of DNA, isn't DNA something that runs in the family ?

How can one person be a 60% match yet his son be 0%.

You may wish to review what you are claiming are facts. They aren't.

All you need to do is prove a connection to claim the 1,000,000 thb. Yet since the offer was made, and despite the claims that the majority support the conspiracy theories, nobody has been able to claim that reward. Not one legitimate news agency picked up the claims by the conspiracy theorists and proved any of them to be correct. One million baht is a huge amount of cash, you would think someone would have claimed it.....

So you are saying they didn't give up on the original suspects after a week. And they didn't spend months on end gathering evidence to convict the Burmese guys ?

Tell me how much is a million baht worth to you if you knew you were going to die as soon as you claimed it ?

Why didn't the other 3 or 4 thousand Burmese on the island point out the accused. That's more money than they would earn in 2 years.

The original suspects were Burmese, then foreign, then Thai and finally the 2 Burmese defendants.

Why do you keep trotting out that tired old lie about the "original suspects"?

Edited March 15, 2015 by jdinasia

[berybert]

If you don't have enough evidence to convict someone you get more evidence. They didn't have enough evidence to convict the Burmese. It took them months to gather enough so called evidence.

Why did they spend months going after evidence to convict the Burmese, yet gave up on the other top suspects with in a week. Despite having CCTV that they could have demanded to look at. Don't tell me CCTV is private property when it could implicate a double murder suspect.

Didn't one of the original 2 suspects have a 60% match of DNA, isn't DNA something that runs in the family ?

How can one person be a 60% match yet his son be 0%.

You may wish to review what you are claiming are facts. They aren't.

All you need to do is prove a connection to claim the 1,000,000 thb. Yet since the offer was made, and despite the claims that the majority support the conspiracy theories, nobody has been able to claim that reward. Not one legitimate news agency picked up the claims by the conspiracy theorists and proved any of them to be correct. One million baht is a huge amount of cash, you would think someone would have claimed it.....

So you are saying they didn't give up on the original suspects after a week. And they didn't spend months on end gathering evidence to convict the Burmese guys ?

Tell me how much is a million baht worth to you if you knew you were going to die as soon as you claimed it ?

Why didn't the other 3 or 4 thousand Burmese on the island point out the accused. That's more money than they would earn in 2 years.

The original suspects were Burmese, then foreign, then Thai and finally the 2 Burmese defendants.

Why do you keep trotting out that tired old lie about the "original suspects"?

What lie would that be ? You have just said yourself the original suspects were Thai as well as Burmese. As for foreign that was because of a blond hair that was found, was it not ? Any idea what became of that hair ? Just another forgotten item of evidence it seems. Bit like the 3rd DNA sample that was found on Hannah.

Amazing how much evidence some people are happy to totally forget about isn't it.

[jdinasia]

If you don't have enough evidence to convict someone you get more evidence. They didn't have enough evidence to convict the Burmese. It took them months to gather enough so called evidence.

Why did they spend months going after evidence to convict the Burmese, yet gave up on the other top suspects with in a week. Despite having CCTV that they could have demanded to look at. Don't tell me CCTV is private property when it could implicate a double murder suspect.

Didn't one of the original 2 suspects have a 60% match of DNA, isn't DNA something that runs in the family ?

How can one person be a 60% match yet his son be 0%.

You may wish to review what you are claiming are facts. They aren't.

All you need to do is prove a connection to claim the 1,000,000 thb. Yet since the offer was made, and despite the claims that the majority support the conspiracy theories, nobody has been able to claim that reward. Not one legitimate news agency picked up the claims by the conspiracy theorists and proved any of them to be correct. One million baht is a huge amount of cash, you would think someone would have claimed it.....

So you are saying they didn't give up on the original suspects after a week. And they didn't spend months on end gathering evidence to convict the Burmese guys ?

Tell me how much is a million baht worth to you if you knew you were going to die as soon as you claimed it ?

Why didn't the other 3 or 4 thousand Burmese on the island point out the accused. That's more money than they would earn in 2 years.

The original suspects were Burmese, then foreign, then Thai and finally the 2 Burmese defendants.

Why do you keep trotting out that tired old lie about the "original suspects"?

What lie would that be ? You have just said yourself the original suspects were Thai as well as Burmese. As for foreign that was because of a blond hair that was found, was it not ? Any idea what became of that hair ? Just another forgotten item of evidence it seems. Bit like the 3rd DNA sample that was found on Hannah.

Amazing how much evidence some people are happy to totally forget about isn't it.

No. The original suspects were Burmese.

[berybert]

No. The original suspects were Burmese.

Are you sure. I seem to recall many people on here maybe yourself included saying that the original head cop saying one man had been taken into custody and another had fled to Bangkok. Both Thai.

The Thai Prime Minister said no Thai could have done such a thing but he didn't say it had to be Burmese.

Do tell how the original suspects were Burmese when originally there was no evidence against any Burmese at all.

[AleG]

No. The original suspects were Burmese.

Are you sure. I seem to recall many people on here maybe yourself included saying that the original head cop saying one man had been taken into custody and another had fled to Bangkok. Both Thai.

The Thai Prime Minister said no Thai could have done such a thing but he didn't say it had to be Burmese.

Do tell how the original suspects were Burmese when originally there was no evidence against any Burmese at all.

"Police had initially detained and questioned three male migrant workers from Burma, but DNA tests and other evidence have ruled them out of the investigation."

[berybert]

No. The original suspects were Burmese.

Are you sure. I seem to recall many people on here maybe yourself included saying that the original head cop saying one man had been taken into custody and another had fled to Bangkok. Both Thai.

The Thai Prime Minister said no Thai could have done such a thing but he didn't say it had to be Burmese.

Do tell how the original suspects were Burmese when originally there was no evidence against any Burmese at all.

"Police had initially detained and questioned three male migrant workers from Burma, but DNA tests and other evidence have ruled them out of the investigation."

And as you never stop trying to tell us if there was no evidence against them, then they were never suspects in the first place. Or does that only work if the people are well to do ?

[jdinasia]

The original suspects were Burmese. The next were farang. The third set were Thai.

To claim that the Thai suspects were the original suspects is a lie that gets trotted out to make a bogus assertion. It ignores the fact that the investigation looked at several sets of suspects and eliminated them when the theory didn't match the facts. Just like you did above. The investigation eliminated 3 sets of people (not just "well to do."

[berybert]

The original suspects were Burmese. The next were farang. The third set were Thai.

To claim that the Thai suspects were the original suspects is a lie that gets trotted out to make a bogus assertion. It ignores the fact that the investigation looked at several sets of suspects and eliminated them when the theory didn't match the facts. Just like you did above. The investigation eliminated 3 sets of people (not just "well to do."

So what was the evidence they had against each of the first 3 sets of suspects ?