Capital punishment concerns raised over Thai backpackers' murder case

[catsanddogs]

You still don't understand that your biased opinion does not constitute evidence of anything but your own biases.

AleG. Please back up your statement that 'CCTV evidence places the B2 in the area of the murders at the approximate time of the murders'. As you know, many posters on here have spent much time in the past 6 months looking at the available CCTV in order to gain some understanding of what happened on 15th September 2014. Do you have the footage or stills please? Or have you been made aware of this footage from another source? Sincerely hoping that you can back your statement up because you need to.

Pages and pages of wasted bandwidth with the internet detectives going over every single detail (real or imagined) of the CCTV footage of the suspects caught on the night of the murders and you have the chutzpah to ask, again, the same inane question.

So you're not going to provide details to back up your claim that there is CCTV footage to evidence the B2 were in the area at the approximate time of the murders. How surprising.

[AleG]

So you're not going to provide details to back up your claim that there is CCTV footage to evidence the B2 were in the area at the approximate time of the murders. How surprising.

Your refusal of facts has gone on long enough:

"The arrest came after police obtained an image captured by a closed-circuit TV camera in 7-Eleven convenient store showing the three men entering a convenient store and purchasing cigarettes and alcohol and then proceeding to a long on the beach close to the actual crime scene."

[seahorse]

"We have now confirmed that the killing weapon is not only a hoe found stained with blood, but also a wooden club. This made us believe that there are at least two attackers," he said.

Deputy national police chief Pol Gen Somyot Pumpanmuang said on 23rd September.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Koh-Tao-police-fail-another-day-30243890.html

Pol Maj Gen Kittipong Kaosam-ang, a Surat Thani police commander

revealed that Thais may have been involved in the murders and had tried to destroy evidence linking them to the attacks. Some people on Koh Tao had given false information to police in a bid to divert attention.

There was evidence linking Thais to the attacks. i.e. not evidence linking the Burmese two to the attacks.

Who are these Thais who had tried to destroy evidence linking them to the attacks? Where is this evidence? What is this evidence? This evidence wouldn't happen to be CCTV footage, would it?

Why is there no mention of this evidence in the prosecution case?

[rockingrobin]

So you're not going to provide details to back up your claim that there is CCTV footage to evidence the B2 were in the area at the approximate time of the murders. How surprising.

Your refusal of facts has gone on long enough:

"The arrest came after police obtained an image captured by a closed-circuit TV camera in 7-Eleven convenient store showing the three men entering a convenient store and purchasing cigarettes and alcohol and then proceeding to a long on the beach close to the actual crime scene."

Aleg

There is no time stated , so it may place at the crime scene but not at the time of the murders

If I was to use your logic ,then Mon would also be at the crime scene at the time of murders, due to cctv

[catsanddogs]

So you're not going to provide details to back up your claim that there is CCTV footage to evidence the B2 were in the area at the approximate time of the murders. How surprising.

Your refusal of facts has gone on long enough:

"The arrest came after police obtained an image captured by a closed-circuit TV camera in 7-Eleven convenient store showing the three men entering a convenient store and purchasing cigarettes and alcohol and then proceeding to a long on the beach close to the actual crime scene."

I am not refusing any facts. I'm waiting to be provided with them. The exert you posted relates to the B2 being seen on CCTV many hours before Hannah and David were murdered. I'm sure there were many other people caught on CCTV in that store buying stuff but that hasn't resulted in them being suspects. Hannah and David's friends stated they were with them until around 3am so a couple of guys buying fags around 3 hours before does not in any way place them in the area at the approximate time of the murders.

[seahorse]

So you're not going to provide details to back up your claim that there is CCTV footage to evidence the B2 were in the area at the approximate time of the murders. How surprising.

Your refusal of facts has gone on long enough:

"The arrest came after police obtained an image captured by a closed-circuit TV camera in 7-Eleven convenient store showing the three men entering a convenient store and purchasing cigarettes and alcohol and then proceeding to a long on the beach close to the actual crime scene."

Aleg

There is no time stated , so it may place at the crime scene but not at the time of the murders

If I was to use your logic ,then Mon would also be at the crime scene at the time of murders, due to cctv

"Your refusal of facts have gone on long enough" This statement, along with the whole prosecution case would be laughable if two young men's lives weren't at stake. If anyone is refusing to listen to facts, it's you, AleG.

The murders took place between 3am and 5am.

The Burmese were captured on camera several hours before that. So there is no evidence against them.

However, there was a guy captured on camera at 3.44am running away from the scene. We all know who he is.

[catsanddogs]

Post 538 AleG said (amongst other things) regarding evidence:

... CCTV video placing the suspects in the area of the murders, at the approximate time of the murders is evidence, etc, etc...

Saying there is no evidence is false, plain and simple.

If that evidence constitutes proof is up to the judge to decide, not some people that would rather ignore actual evidence in favour of fanciful speculation.

Fanciful speculation indeed!

Here is Maung Maung in the convenience store at 23.12 on 14.09.14 -

There is a still of the B2 outside the store which I cannot locate. Could someone post this if they have it so we can see what the time is please.

And here are the three of them on the bike at 23.10 on 14.09.14 -

Murder occurred sometime after 3am 15.09.14.

The fact that CCTV may show the suspects walking towards the beach at around 11pm after buying stuff at the store does not equate to evidence that they were 'in the area of the murders, at the approximate time of the murders'. How could anyone with half a brain reach that conclusion? As already pointed out by another poster with brain in tact, the man seen running around in underwear around the time of the murders would fit your statement 'CCTV video placing the suspects in the area of the murders, at the approximate time of the murders is evidence, etc, etc...' .

That would not be fanciful speculation.

[greenchair]

So, who is the third burmese.

Muang Muang was originally held in custody. Could it be he was going to be railroaded also. But much to the rtp chagrin, came up with a strong alibi. Oops said the officer. We thought there were 3. but now we can only pin it on two.

[boomerangutang]

So, who is the third burmese.

Muang Muang was originally held in custody. Could it be he was going to be railroaded also. But much to the rtp chagrin, came up with a strong alibi. Oops said the officer. We thought there were 3. but now we can only pin it on two.

MM was more savvy than the other two. He had an inkling of his legal rights. The B2 were easy prey for scapegoating, with older men gathered around, fists and teeth clenched. First thing the cops probably said was 'you're illegal, and we can slam you in jail for a long time.' The B2's families rely on the few satang which get sent from their sons each month - because there is zero social security for elders in Burma.

Burmese young men were casually playing sepak takraw on the beach, when police, in their frantic zeal to nab scapegoats, went to round them up. Two were able to run away. Guess who the two were? Yup, so when they were caught, the cops were doubly angry at the young men who didn't heed their calls of 'Don't run! Come back here!' Next day: 'safe-house' with a threatening interpreter who introduced the broken bottle idea. Not an attorney in sight. The rest is scapegoat history.

[thailandchilli]

"We have now confirmed that the killing weapon is not only a hoe found stained with blood, but also a wooden club. This made us believe that there are at least two attackers," he said.

Deputy national police chief Pol Gen Somyot Pumpanmuang said on 23rd September.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Koh-Tao-police-fail-another-day-30243890.html

Pol Maj Gen Kittipong Kaosam-ang, a Surat Thani police commander

revealed that Thais may have been involved in the murders and had tried to destroy evidence linking them to the attacks. Some people on Koh Tao had given false information to police in a bid to divert attention.

There was evidence linking Thais to the attacks. i.e. not evidence linking the Burmese two to the attacks.

Who are these Thais who had tried to destroy evidence linking them to the attacks? Where is this evidence? What is this evidence? This evidence wouldn't happen to be CCTV footage, would it?

Why is there no mention of this evidence in the prosecution case?

I often wonder about that report of the attempted destruction of evidence, such a powerful statement made by a top cop and yet its been buried in the confusion of this uprofessional and contradictory investigation. It could have been any number of things but yes I thought it maybe referring to the cctv or possibly something at the crime scene, lets remember Mon was trampling all over it and in one shot he appears to be walking directly for the dark trousers on the sand.

Could hold the key to the whole ugly saga

[stephenterry]

"We have now confirmed that the killing weapon is not only a hoe found stained with blood, but also a wooden club. This made us believe that there are at least two attackers," he said.

Deputy national police chief Pol Gen Somyot Pumpanmuang said on 23rd September.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Koh-Tao-police-fail-another-day-30243890.html

Pol Maj Gen Kittipong Kaosam-ang, a Surat Thani police commander

revealed that Thais may have been involved in the murders and had tried to destroy evidence linking them to the attacks. Some people on Koh Tao had given false information to police in a bid to divert attention.

There was evidence linking Thais to the attacks. i.e. not evidence linking the Burmese two to the attacks.

Who are these Thais who had tried to destroy evidence linking them to the attacks? Where is this evidence? What is this evidence? This evidence wouldn't happen to be CCTV footage, would it?

Why is there no mention of this evidence in the prosecution case?

I often wonder about that report of the attempted destruction of evidence, such a powerful statement made by a top cop and yet its been buried in the confusion of this uprofessional and contradictory investigation. It could have been any number of things but yes I thought it maybe referring to the cctv or possibly something at the crime scene, lets remember Mon was trampling all over it and in one shot he appears to be walking directly for the dark trousers on the sand.

Could hold the key to the whole ugly saga

Logically, if Thais may be involved and tried to destroy evidence and had given false evidence it sure wasn't to protect the B2.

[JLCrab]

From and including: Saturday, 21 March 2015
To and including: Wednesday, 8 July 2015 (first day of scheduled hearings)

Result: 110 days

c/o timeanddate.com

[PaPiPuPePo]

Well I think we can all agree that AleG has lost the plot and is now on the 'haha' list.

Seems like its just jdinasia that is clinging on the edge of the cliff.

I've kept out of the back-and-forth with this person, which has replaced the usually pointless "debates" with the other member mentioned above. Bickering and personal attacks are obviously frowned upon, and some of the personal comments from TV members about these two in particular seem unhelpful.

But the quotes I see from AleG in others' comments (having long ago put him on ignore) are often pretty rude and dismissive of others, so I don't understand why this is permitted, and moreso, frankly, why people continue to debate either of these guys; one at least remains mostly civil, but both are completely (and at times rudely) dismissive of others' opinions. In the real world people like this are rightfully snubbed, ignored, and ostracised, rather than engaged and humoured to no useful end.

I personally find any comments treating this human tragedy and its victims lightly--including joking about the case or trying (and usually failing) to be witty (the TV/Hollywood-infatuated guy comes to mind)--pretty disturbing, and am comfortable with my decision to write off and ignore any people commenting who continually show a complete lack of empathy for any of the victims, which IMO includes these two Burmese guys being scapegoated for it. I suggest others do the same. If nothing else it makes a significant dent in the length of KT-related threads!

[metisdead]

A post in violation of forum rule 26 has been removed as well as the replies:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?app=forums&module=extras&section=boardrules

[JLCrab]

Treating the Koh Tao tragedy of 15 SEP 2014 with its proper and due respect and how one treats what gets posted on here as some consider to be their search for truth-&-justice are 2 entirely different matters.

[stephenterry]

Treating the Koh Tao tragedy of 15 SEP 2014 with its proper and due respect and how one treats what gets posted on here as some consider to be their search for truth-&-justice are 2 entirely different matters.

So says the man who has done neither...

[boomerangutang]

Ok, Nomsod evaded police for a week. Then we hear he shaved his thick curly hair, donned robes and became a monk. Then left (by choice, or was booted out?). Now what's he up to? Drinking hard, and partying hardy, and picking up pretty young farang chicks at his Uncle's bar? There's only one reason I care: if he's one of the perps of the crime, I'd hate to think of him running loose at beach resort bars with bevies of naive drunk farang chicks all around.

[stephenterry]

Well I think we can all agree that AleG has lost the plot and is now on the 'haha' list.

Seems like its just jdinasia that is clinging on the edge of the cliff.

I've kept out of the back-and-forth with this person, which has replaced the usually pointless "debates" with the other member mentioned above. Bickering and personal attacks are obviously frowned upon, and some of the personal comments from TV members about these two in particular seem unhelpful.

But the quotes I see from AleG in others' comments (having long ago put him on ignore) are often pretty rude and dismissive of others, so I don't understand why this is permitted, and moreso, frankly, why people continue to debate either of these guys; one at least remains mostly civil, but both are completely (and at times rudely) dismissive of others' opinions. In the real world people like this are rightfully snubbed, ignored, and ostracised, rather than engaged and humoured to no useful end.

I personally find any comments treating this human tragedy and its victims lightly--including joking about the case or trying (and usually failing) to be witty (the TV/Hollywood-infatuated guy comes to mind)--pretty disturbing, and am comfortable with my decision to write off and ignore any people commenting who continually show a complete lack of empathy for any of the victims, which IMO includes these two Burmese guys being scapegoated for it. I suggest others do the same. If nothing else it makes a significant dent in the length of KT-related threads!

While I do have some sympathy for your POV, everyone who posts on this forum has the right to voice an opinion. When that opinion is merely ridiculing others day in and day out, I agree with your sentiments.

But, IMO, it is important to not let this or a similar thread just fade away, which I consider to show empathy for both the murder victims and the accused - even if there are still 110 days to the first trial date.

[JLCrab]

Treating the Koh Tao tragedy of 15 SEP 2014 with its proper and due respect and how one treats what gets posted on here as some consider to be their search for truth-&-justice are 2 entirely different matters.

So says the man who has done neither...

Thank you. The latter I'm sure I treat with what little dignity many of the posts deserve. The former up-to-you.

I remember when many on here felt that PM Cameron cornered PM Prayut in Milan to let him know that the UK had the goods to upset their whole apple-cart. Now the UK, PM, and Scotland Yard are complicit in the cover-up. Oh well I guess I'm distracting you all from doing the job that the RTP and the prosecution should have done to earn their salaries. My apologies, I'm sure.

I will note that chief defense counselor Nakhon Chompuchat to the best of my searching has not made a pubic statement since the DEC26, 2014 preliminary hearing.

[PaPiPuPePo]

Well I think we can all agree that AleG has lost the plot and is now on the 'haha' list.

Seems like its just jdinasia that is clinging on the edge of the cliff.

I've kept out of the back-and-forth with this person, which has replaced the usually pointless "debates" with the other member mentioned above. Bickering and personal attacks are obviously frowned upon, and some of the personal comments from TV members about these two in particular seem unhelpful.

But the quotes I see from AleG in others' comments (having long ago put him on ignore) are often pretty rude and dismissive of others, so I don't understand why this is permitted, and moreso, frankly, why people continue to debate either of these guys; one at least remains mostly civil, but both are completely (and at times rudely) dismissive of others' opinions. In the real world people like this are rightfully snubbed, ignored, and ostracised, rather than engaged and humoured to no useful end.

I personally find any comments treating this human tragedy and its victims lightly--including joking about the case or trying (and usually failing) to be witty (the TV/Hollywood-infatuated guy comes to mind)--pretty disturbing, and am comfortable with my decision to write off and ignore any people commenting who continually show a complete lack of empathy for any of the victims, which IMO includes these two Burmese guys being scapegoated for it. I suggest others do the same. If nothing else it makes a significant dent in the length of KT-related threads!

While I do have some sympathy for your POV, everyone who posts on this forum has the right to voice an opinion. When that opinion is merely ridiculing others day in and day out, I agree with your sentiments.

But, IMO, it is important to not let this or a similar thread just fade away, which I consider to show empathy for both the murder victims and the accused - even if there are still 110 days to the first trial date.

I suspect I didn't make my point clearly enough....I think you have also seen how some of us are debating sincerely, while others aren't, instead keeping an unwavering bead on their agenda and responding--or not--based on that agenda, not a sincere back-and-forth (even with major disagreement) with others in a search for the truth if it's out there. That was my point, anyway, perhaps a bit better put this time.

And I absolutely agree that it's important to not let this matter fade away.

[stephenterry]

Ok, Nomsod evaded police for a week. Then we hear he shaved his thick curly hair, donned robes and became a monk. Then left (by choice, or was booted out?). Now what's he up to? Drinking hard, and partying hardy, and picking up pretty young farang chicks at his Uncle's bar? There's only one reason I care: if he's one of the perps of the crime, I'd hate to think of him running loose at beach resort bars with bevies of naive drunk farang chicks all around.

I think it is inevitable that young people who are attracted to the dangers of living a hedonistic life-style for a few weeks, will seek out the places that offer those risks. It's my understanding that Koh Tao now attracts more visitors (from contacts in Chiang Mai) than prior to the murders.

The mentality is - it won't happen to me, and anyway it's exciting. By now, Nomsod is probably respected for his notoriety (actual or not) by his peers, and thus less likely to 'prove' himself. That's if, he's still resident there.

IMO, while I think Nomsod knows more about what happened that night than has been reported, I don't think he single-handedly committed murder (because he was running away from what others might do to him). A gang 'attack' that turned horrific is a more likely scenario.

My same thought applies to the B2. I think they haven't divulged the full truth (for obvious self-preservation motives). I don't buy that they were drunk on (allegedly) 3 bottles of beer, or don't know who could be the suspects - at the same time I don't think they committed murder, either.

The trial is going to be interesting with some startling revelations, I'm sure.

[PaPiPuPePo]

Thank you. The latter I'm sure I treat with what little dignity many of the posts deserve. The former up-to-you.

I remember when many on here felt that PM Cameron cornered PM Prayut in Milan to let him know that the UK had the goods to upset their whole apple-cart. Now the UK, PM, and Scotland Yard are complicit in the cover-up. Oh well I guess I'm distracting you all from doing the job that the RTP and the prosecution should have done to earn their salaries. My apologies, I'm sure.

I will note that chief defense counselor Nakhon Chompuchat to the best of my searching has not made a pubic statement since the DEC26, 2014 preliminary hearing.

Thanks for providing a couple of good examples of what I'm talking about:

First, you write:

"Now the UK, PM, and Scotland Yard are complicit in the cover-up."

Extreme disappointment has been expressed by some commenters, that the UK etc police agencies couldn’t or didn’t offer any information or evidence; disappointment because the people expressing such have a strong belief, well-supported by the way this case and many other cited cases in this country have progressed, that the investigation was/is severly flawed, very possibly by intent.

Some comments have come up that the UK etc agencies don’t care, or are not putting effort into their work for political and/or diplomatic reasons. There is AMPLE evidence of this occurring all the time, anyone who hasn’t heard of governments putting political factors above those of individual citizens can amend that lack with a few minutes of google activity. A couple of posts went so far as to claim complicity.

But your comment above paints all of the above doubts as this most extreme and seldom used claim of complicity; using one extreme comment to discredit other comments which are only superficially similar is a straw man ploy, not sincere debate.

Then, you follow up with sarcasm and another twisting into the realm of the unreasonable of the critical statements that have been made about the RTPs pretty obvious mis-handling of the case. There have been countless examples of this mishandling put forward by others so it’s not just a matter of opinion. In fact, you seem to have no disagreement with many of these examples that have been brought up. Yet, perhaps because you can’t address these concerns on their merits, that is show them to be false, you instead only respond with the dubious rhetorical tricks outlined above.

These are examples of the kind of poisoning of the debate(s) well being carried out on these threads that I was referring to.

[JLCrab]

This is what I consider important:

The Prosecution

The Defense

The various NGOs that deal with the rights of migrant workers in Thailand.

I do not consider what is written here on this Forum to be important.

[stephenterry]

More background:

Monday 15th. Police had initially detained and questioned three male migrant workers from Burma, but DNA tests and other evidence have ruled them out of the investigation.

Royal Thai Police adviser Jarumporn Suramanee said on Wednesday (17th September) that the DNA of 12 people had been tested, including nine samples from Burmese migrant workers and one from Ware.

The tests found none of the DNA matched that collected from semen found in the female victim’s body, he said.

However, the tests found that DNA from a cigarette near the scene matched the semen.

Wouldn't you think it more than probable that the B2 (seen standing in a queue) were initially ruled out?

[stephenterry]

This is what I consider important:

The Prosecution

The Defense

The various NGOs that deal with the rights of migrant workers in Thailand.

I do not consider what is written here on this Forum to be important.

Ah gee, so Justice isn't important, then?

[AleG]

Post 538 AleG said (amongst other things) regarding evidence:

... CCTV video placing the suspects in the area of the murders, at the approximate time of the murders is evidence, etc, etc...

Saying there is no evidence is false, plain and simple.

If that evidence constitutes proof is up to the judge to decide, not some people that would rather ignore actual evidence in favour of fanciful speculation.

Fanciful speculation indeed!

Here is Maung Maung in the convenience store at 23.12 on 14.09.14 -

mm.jpg

There is a still of the B2 outside the store which I cannot locate. Could someone post this if they have it so we can see what the time is please.

And here are the three of them on the bike at 23.10 on 14.09.14 -

on bike.jpg

Murder occurred sometime after 3am 15.09.14.

The fact that CCTV may show the suspects walking towards the beach at around 11pm after buying stuff at the store does not equate to evidence that they were 'in the area of the murders, at the approximate time of the murders'. How could anyone with half a brain reach that conclusion? As already pointed out by another poster with brain in tact, the man seen running around in underwear around the time of the murders would fit your statement 'CCTV video placing the suspects in the area of the murders, at the approximate time of the murders is evidence, etc, etc...' .

That would not be fanciful speculation.

That is what I said "approximate" not "precisely", or "close" or "immediately". That you choose to misinterpret things in favour of a particular scenario is par for the course.

Close to the time of the murders was the testimony of Muang Muang, placing them close the scene of the crime possibly within an hour of the murders.

[AleG]

"We have now confirmed that the killing weapon is not only a hoe found stained with blood, but also a wooden club. This made us believe that there are at least two attackers," he said.

Deputy national police chief Pol Gen Somyot Pumpanmuang said on 23rd September.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Koh-Tao-police-fail-another-day-30243890.html

Pol Maj Gen Kittipong Kaosam-ang, a Surat Thani police commander

revealed that Thais may have been involved in the murders and had tried to destroy evidence linking them to the attacks. Some people on Koh Tao had given false information to police in a bid to divert attention.

There was evidence linking Thais to the attacks. i.e. not evidence linking the Burmese two to the attacks.

Who are these Thais who had tried to destroy evidence linking them to the attacks? Where is this evidence? What is this evidence? This evidence wouldn't happen to be CCTV footage, would it?

Why is there no mention of this evidence in the prosecution case?

Clearly you don't understand, or choose to ignore, the meaning of the word "may" and what it does to the subsequent statements.

You can't figure out a sentence, what hope do you have of solving a crime?

[AleG]

More background:

Monday 15th. Police had initially detained and questioned three male migrant workers from Burma, but DNA tests and other evidence have ruled them out of the investigation.

Royal Thai Police adviser Jarumporn Suramanee said on Wednesday (17th September) that the DNA of 12 people had been tested, including nine samples from Burmese migrant workers and one from Ware.

The tests found none of the DNA matched that collected from semen found in the female victim’s body, he said.

However, the tests found that DNA from a cigarette near the scene matched the semen.

Wouldn't you think it more than probable that the B2 (seen standing in a queue) were initially ruled out?

No, there are hundreds, if not thousands of Burmese workers in Koh Tao.

Furthermore if the two now in custody were part of that initial batch that were cleared, why haven't them or the defense mention it at all?

[stephenterry]

Post 538 AleG said (amongst other things) regarding evidence:

... CCTV video placing the suspects in the area of the murders, at the approximate time of the murders is evidence, etc, etc...

Saying there is no evidence is false, plain and simple.

If that evidence constitutes proof is up to the judge to decide, not some people that would rather ignore actual evidence in favour of fanciful speculation.

Fanciful speculation indeed!

Here is Maung Maung in the convenience store at 23.12 on 14.09.14 -

mm.jpg

There is a still of the B2 outside the store which I cannot locate. Could someone post this if they have it so we can see what the time is please.

And here are the three of them on the bike at 23.10 on 14.09.14 -

on bike.jpg

Murder occurred sometime after 3am 15.09.14.

The fact that CCTV may show the suspects walking towards the beach at around 11pm after buying stuff at the store does not equate to evidence that they were 'in the area of the murders, at the approximate time of the murders'. How could anyone with half a brain reach that conclusion? As already pointed out by another poster with brain in tact, the man seen running around in underwear around the time of the murders would fit your statement 'CCTV video placing the suspects in the area of the murders, at the approximate time of the murders is evidence, etc, etc...' .

That would not be fanciful speculation.

That is what I said "approximate" not "precisely", or "close" or "immediately". That you choose to misinterpret things in favour of a particular scenario is par for the course.

Close to the time of the murders was the testimony of Muang Muang, placing them close the scene of the crime possibly within an hour of the murders.

Actually, this was Muang's testimony:

MAT representative Kyaw Thaung reconfirmed the testimony the legal team had been told. “After finishing the beer and cigarettes, Maung Maung said he told his two friends he was leaving, but they insisted on having more to drink, so he went back to the room and got an extra bottle of alcohol and took it to them. That was all around 1am,” he said.

“Maung Maung said he then went to see his girlfriend and did not return until 5am.”

And there is no CCTV placing them in the area of the murders and/or at the 'approximate' time of the murders. Last CCTV at before midnight.

[JLCrab]

This is what I consider important:

The Prosecution

The Defense

The various NGOs that deal with the rights of migrant workers in Thailand.

I do not consider what is written here on this Forum to be important.

Ah gee, so Justice isn't important, then?

Sure it is -- I just don't look for it here.