Arab-Israelis not loyal to state should be beheaded, says Israel's FM

[BKKBobby]

Israel is encouraging 'Mahal' (volunteers from abroad) to join the IDF.

http://www.israelandstuff.com/idf-volunteers

What about the fidelity to their native country and citizenship outside Israel ?

Should they also be beheaded in their native countries ?

Another example of "You can't do, what I can and allways will do" hypocrisy...

First of all -- the above is off topic.

But since you brought it up they aren't really the same situation.

An Arab Israeli citizen showing loyalty to Palestinian forces dedicated to ending Israel is really a potential enemy of Israel because Israel is in a long conflict with such forces.

On the other hand, an Argentinian Jew who decides to fight with the IDF is not showing opposition to his home country, Argentina.

So that's different.

That said, personally I feel if a non-Israeli Jew feels so strongly as about Israel that she fights for the IDF that person should really make Aliyah to Israel.

On the other hand there are cases in history where such actions have been widely celebrated such as the international volunteers fighting the fascists in Spain.

Well that Argentinian jew has to pick where his loyalties are. If his priority and loyalty to Israel is stronger than his loyalty to Argentina, then he might commit treason against Argentina if it benefits Israel.

This is nothing new. There are non-Israeli jews that have done this before without even joining IDF.

[jdinasia]

one-way IS with this idiot. He may learn a few things.

He sounds like Bush.

So you like ISIS?

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Well, apparently Israel's FM is willing to go on the record suggesting Israel should emulate ISIS.....

Next.....

[Scott]

Off-topic post and replies removed.

[Ulysses G.]

He might have a point, but hanging would be more civilized.

Yeah just like that! When ISIS does it, it's barbaric. When an Israeli official says it, well he might have a point.

Go get your facts straight man!

The Israel-haters attempts at "logic" is absurd. ISIS murders innocent people for no legitimate reason. Israel's FM has suggested killing traitors and throwing enemies out of the country, which is not all that unusual in any country at war. There is a BIG difference.

[siampolee]

Ulysses G post # 65.

The Israel-haters attempts at "logic" is absurd. ISIS murders innocent people for no legitimate reason. Israel's FM has suggested killing traitors and throwing enemies out of the country, which is not all that unusual in any country at war. There is a BIG difference.

FM has suggested killing traitors and throwing enemies out of the country, which is not all that unusual in any country at war. There is a BIG difference.

As a matter of interest where is the 'declaration of war,' and when was war declared?

Such a declaration would give legal foundation to,the comments however as far as I could find there was nor is a formal declaration of war by Israel.

Hence the statement would seem to be on a par with a statement from a terrorist group.

Edited March 10, 2015 by siampolee

[pumpuy]

He might have a point, but hanging would be more civilized.

Yeah just like that! When ISIS does it, it's barbaric. When an Israeli official says it, well he might have a point.

Go get your facts straight man!

The Israel-haters attempts at "logic" is absurd. ISIS murders innocent people for no legitimate reason. Israel's FM has suggested killing traitors and throwing enemies out of the country, which is not all that unusual in any country at war. There is a BIG difference.

" the israel haters " ... Yeah , of course , Israel is always right , anybody who dares to say anything bad about Israel is " Antisemitic " , an "Israel hater " or one of these " idiots" you like to deal with every day ...

Why do you not support Israel in Israel ? Go back and fight against all these Arabs , Palestinians , and Israel critics that you seem to hate so much ...

[Ulysses G.]

Were your ears burning?

[Ulysses G.]

As a matter of interest where is the 'declaration of war,' and when was war declared?

When is the last time that the USA officially declared a war? Israel has been in a state of war with radical Islam since its founding.

[Seastallion]

Hey, what's good for the goose should be also good for the gender I say... and in Rome do as the romans do... in any way, Israel will not be the first country to introduce beheading to this region, it's a well accepted concept there already...

Goose, gander, yes indeed.....so Israeli Jews who dissent should be beheaded too, right?

This is one of the abhorrent things about Lieberman's racist approach......it's racist and discriminatory.

[dexterm]

Lieberman’s words are way over the top and I hope the beheading bit is merely rhetorical stuff to feed his bigoted audience, and would never happen, although the deportation part for not swearing allegiance to the Jewish state of Israel is a serious contender...it’s been heavily promoted already...part of the reason for this current election.

What would we witness bus loads of Israeli Arab citizens lining up at bayonet point and having their Israeli passports torn up, herded to the Jordanian border with Jordan refusing to grant them residence, leaving them in no mans land for the UN to take care of? What sort of spectacle would that be for the USA’s closest ally in the Middle East...a worse PR exercise than last year’s Gaza atrocities? The social media would have a field day akin to old newsreels of Gandhi’s salt marches that shamed the British into conceding independence, but far more immediate and pervasive through today's social media

I agree..the neighbors aren’t Luxembourg, but in the 21^st century don’t you find it kind of crazy that a Foreign Minister of a supposedly normal European style democracy can say such things? Isn’t it time Israelis faced reality and stopped occupying 4 million Palestinians without giving them equal citizenship and without establishing any borders?

I don’t try to demonize Israel, they do a good enough job themselves in the OP and Gaza last year.

I would love Israel to join the family of civilized nations, with Jews Christians and Muslims living peacefully together or at least side by side in a 2 state solution, with nothing more heard of them on TVF apart from being one of the world’s leading GDPs and a beacon of tolerance and democracy.

It’ll happen one day..hopefully in my lifetime. When I trust bigots like Lieberman will be consigned to the trashcan of history.

Edited March 10, 2015 by dexterm

[Ulysses G.]

I dont try to demonize Israel

Of course you do. We have all read the fake "history" you post claiming that the Arabs did not declare war on Israel when they declared independence and so on. Just one more post where you are not honest with yourself or the readers.

[Scott]

Some off-topic posts removed.

Please stay on topic and be civil.

[dexterm]

He might have a point, but hanging would be more civilized.

You seem to have placed yourself squarely in the extremist OP Lieberman camp, which undermines your credibility.

Look to the future not the past. Be part of the solution to the problem , and not part of the problem itself.

[TooPoopedToPop]

I dont try to demonize Israel

Of course you do. We have all read the fake "history" you post claiming that the Arabs did not declare war on Israel when they declared independence and so on. Just one more post where you are not honest with yourself or the readers.

Challenge and refute the points that he makes, and stop denigrating his character.

[maidee]

all this muslim problem just might lead to a good old genocide ...

but this time, might be the original populace that will pay the price

muslims are getting their training and weapons, and the poor original habitants, were force to give up even their little shotgun

[Lupatria]

Another natural born diplomat...

[ggt]

Nice try...but the Arabs do not talk about it...they just make a film of it and use it as a tool to recruit young impressionable youth from western countries...I can only imagine what all this means for the future of the world...

[Thorgal]

As a matter of interest where is the 'declaration of war,' and when was war declared?

When is the last time that the USA officially declared a war? Israel has been in a state of war with radical Islam since its founding.

Israel has a 'war of existence' against all sort of foreign groups and nations for ages.

In the OP it's pure repression against own Israel citizens. A antigentile civil war declaration.

Quotes from FM Lieberman are even not in line with the Declaration of Constitution of Israel regarding equality.

Israeli civil courts can not endorse his words.

A politician can never speak out a court sentence on his own without prior official sentence of a civil court.

More over, today, an Israeli MK, accepts and anounces 'beheading' in his judicial system. ISIS doing the same, has always been seen as stateless. Israel isn't stateless...

This never happened before in Israeli history.

Edited March 10, 2015 by Thorgal

[hawthorne]

To give loyalty or allegiance to another country is treason in the true essence of the law. It is changed now to enemies of the state but that is splitting hairs so The Zionist can reduce the Palistinian growth inside its population. Soon without ever raging a civil war the Arabs will outnumber the Jews in its own perfect state of utopia. This is my reason for the FM statement.

[NeverSure]

There is an election coming right up in Israel. Lieberman is a member of the Yisrael Beiteinu party in competition with Bibi's party.

We are reading ott election rhetoric and acting like it's Israeli policy or even possible policy.

WE are going ott about imagined things that Israel is or could be, instead of considering the source.

[Jonmarleesco]

I didn't expect Netanyahu to have much competition for Time's 'Israelite of the Year' ... until this lunatic - and, seemingly, closet IS supporter - proved how wrong one can be.

[H1w4yR1da]

I dont try to demonize Israel

Of course you do. We have all read the fake "history" you post claiming that the Arabs did not declare war on Israel when they declared independence and so on. Just one more post where you are not honest with yourself or the readers.

Challenge and refute the points that he makes, and stop denigrating his character.

'Challenge and refute the points' is exactly what UG did. Trying to pass it off as a character attack is just deflection.

[bangon04]

In response to Lieberman’s remarks, Israeli peace activist David Harel asked RT to imagine if Secretary of State John Kerry said the same thing about African-Americans or Hispanics:

“Can you imagine John Kerry making a similar statement about the Mexicans, or the Hispanics, or the Blacks in the United States. Imagine John Kerry saying publicly that you have to have their heads chopped off with an axe.”

It’s a viable question. Because if John Kerry did make such horrible statements the American people would be outraged and calling for him to resign or be fired from his job. So why does the American public continue to support Israel as an ally? Why do we tolerate such extremism from Israeli officials that we would never tolerate from our own? First, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu lies to the faces of the American people and disrespects President Obama during a speech to Congress in an effort to sabotage US foreign policy initiatives seeking peace, and now the Foreign Minister is openly calling to behead people like ISIS does. It’s seriously time to cut ties with Israeli before they drag us into a campaign of extermination against Muslims.

Such a distortion.

For your example to have any relevance there would have to be a scenario where Mexico and the U.S. were in a decades long bitter conflict that had involved NUMEROUS wars. Then the part of the Mexican population that were U.S. citizens that had shown loyalty to the enemy side, Mexico, would of course be seen as enemies of the U.S. IF the U.S. had experienced that kind of conflict they wouldn't have a Secretary of State like Kerrry!

Next ...

so a bit like the US treatment of ethnic Japanese during the war? Or the McCarthy witchhunt against the communists? Hope that people have moved on from that behaviour.

Still - it has been pointed out that this clown is the FM of Israel. In which world can his statement be justified? I read hat you condemned this clown's statement as some sort of electioneering stunt, but he does nevertheless speak for Israel. That is the problem.

Edited March 10, 2015 by bangon04

[snarky66]

Refreshing candor in a politician.

[Bwanatickey]

It will election time in the U.K in May, and any party that pleadges to guillotine Tony Blair , gets My vote.

[Lissos]

Lets just hope countries whose citizens do leave to join the IDF have the fortitude to enforce their anti-terror laws and

revoke the citizenship of their people leaving to fight illegal battles and wars for Israel, and arrest them if they ever return.

Big difference is, such people would unlikely be returning to carry out terror attacks upon their home country.

I would trust a Brit here going to fight for the IDF, but would not trust a recent returnee from Jihad in Syria.

One of the biggest internal threats Israel faces must have to be the giant sucking sound of welfare payments going into the ultra

orthodox community all the while they refuse to do military service. Even the bedouions have a more celebrated military service record...

Along with the Druze, a credit to Israel and an example of how Arabs 'can' accept Israel and work with it.

In general I mean. I did meet a Druze in Golan who referred to all around us at the time as Syria, not Israel.

Essentiall of course he was correct in a past reference, but he was just testing the waters to see my response.

[cookee68]

"Those who are with us deserve everything,...."

Liar! You do not support equal rights for Arab Israeli citizens.

The same could be said about many other countries, what is it about the beheadings, is that the only part of the body that they cant sell off, to the private sectors abroad

[Scott]

Off-topic, inflammatory posts and replies removed.

[Seastallion]

There is an election coming right up in Israel. Lieberman is a member of the Yisrael Beiteinu party in competition with Bibi's party.

We are reading ott election rhetoric and acting like it's Israeli policy or even possible policy.

WE are going ott about imagined things that Israel is or could be, instead of considering the source.

You sound as if you are simply brushing it aside as hollow electioneering rhetoric. That may be a valid way of looking at it, but there arer implications arising from it.

When Hamas or Iran spouts political rhetoric, you seize the words as genuine intent.

Secondly, Lieberman is an experienced politician. He said what he thinks the electorate wants to hear. What does that say about the Israeli electorate?

[merck]

One of the biggest internal threats Israel faces must have to be the giant sucking sound of welfare payments going into the ultra orthodox community all the while they refuse to do military service. Even the bedouions have a more celebrated military service record...

Didn't you yourself refuse to do military service in Thailand and actively take steps to avoid it?