Jingthing Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Steady on Jingthing old boy Don't lose your head over the statement confirming a Russian Jew (not a home grown one) also a government post holder in a number of positions who publicly announces his extreme views. Now are those views typical of a Russian emigree or might those views have been adopted from recent last century European history? Now can you justify this Lieberman statement and will you, do really support this kind of creature and its statement ? Indeed the statement Lieberman has made is akin to pouring petrol on a fire. I already condemned it. Pay attention. Please stop the personal troll baiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzyfrosty Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 (edited) Edited March 10, 2015 by jazzyfrosty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post samran Posted March 10, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2015 Steady on Jingthing old boy Don't lose your head over the statement ... 5555 apt line! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jdinasia Posted March 10, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2015 Israel is encouraging 'Mahal' (volunteers from abroad) to join the IDF. http://www.israelandstuff.com/idf-volunteers What about the fidelity to their native country and citizenship outside Israel ? Should they also be beheaded in their native countries ? Another example of "You can't do, what I can and allways will do" hypocrisy... First of all -- the above is off topic. But since you brought it up they aren't really the same situation. An Arab Israeli citizen showing loyalty to Palestinian forces dedicated to ending Israel is really a potential enemy of Israel because Israel is in a long conflict with such forces. On the other hand, an Argentinian Jew who decides to fight with the IDF is not showing opposition to his home country, Argentina. So that's different. That said, personally I feel if a non-Israeli Jew feels so strongly as about Israel that she fights for the IDF that person should really make Aliyah to Israel. On the other hand there are cases in history where such actions have been widely celebrated such as the international volunteers fighting the fascists in Spain. My post isn't off topic.How can a country express capital punishment for their citizens or their foreign fighters if the same country is encouraging on large scale foreign feighters to join them for domestic purposes...? 'Contradictio arguendo' means in English : Contradiction for the sake of argument... I already explained how it IS off topic.Also, get real, this is NOT Israeli policy. The dude was stirring the sheit. It's not happening. Next ... The guy is both FM and a candidate. It deserves the discussion it is getting. Next..... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 An inflammatory post has been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 I am sure glad that most posters come from countries where none of the politicians have made inflammatory statements during elections. Any countries threatening to turn boats back out to sea? Any politicians threatening deportation of certain religious or ethnic groups? Anybody ever talked about execution for traitors (think Assange and Snowden)? As far as serving in a foreign military, it is up to the two countries involved whether they permit foreign nations in their military and whether the home country will not prosecute military service in another country. It's a little like dual nationality, some countries allow it, some don't. The guy is a nut case and it's a difficult time in a lot of the world with some pretty nasty stuff going on. I wonder when he will be on the speaking circuit, first on Fox News and then on to Congress? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Steely Dan Posted March 10, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2015 At least it gives bed wetting leftists and those with Israel derangement syndrome a talking point and a moral equivalence argument until you consider whether rhetoric is ever likely to be backed up by action. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Seastallion Posted March 10, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2015 At least it gives bed wetting leftists and those with Israel derangement syndrome a talking point and a moral equivalence argument until you consider whether rhetoric is ever likely to be backed up by action. At least the responses by the Israel apologists give people who look forward to Palestine's nationhood equivalent excuse to rhetoric by Palestinian right-wingers. No longer can any of you condemn Hamas leaders for saying something sensational....it's just rhetoric from a right winger, isn't it? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 At least it gives bed wetting leftists and those with Israel derangement syndrome a talking point and a moral equivalence argument until you consider whether rhetoric is ever likely to be backed up by action.At least the responses by the Israel apologists give people who look forward to Palestine's nationhood equivalent excuse to rhetoric by Palestinian right-wingers.No longer can any of you condemn Hamas leaders for saying something sensational....it's just rhetoric from a right winger, isn't it? Wake me up when an Israeli Arab actually is beheaded. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgal Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Personally, I condemn the rhetoric in the OP. Anyone who actually believes this is going to be real Israeli policy, please enter your name on the sales prospect list for the Brooklyn Bridge. Is latest sales prospect of East-Jerusalem and West Bank, and Declarations in OP also real Israeli policy according to Lieberman ? Apperently nobody in Israel stopped him and others...too delicate for the coming elections, isn't it ? http://www.worldbulletin.net/africa/148542/lieberman-no-limits-on-east-jerusalem-settlements http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lieberman_Plan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Seastallion Posted March 10, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2015 At least it gives bed wetting leftists and those with Israel derangement syndrome a talking point and a moral equivalence argument until you consider whether rhetoric is ever likely to be backed up by action.At least the responses by the Israel apologists give people who look forward to Palestine's nationhood equivalent excuse to rhetoric by Palestinian right-wingers.No longer can any of you condemn Hamas leaders for saying something sensational....it's just rhetoric from a right winger, isn't it? Wake me up when an Israeli Arab actually is beheaded. Similarly, wake me up when Israel is literally "wiped off the map"....not going to happen, is it? We're both looking at a long sleep. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dexterm Posted March 10, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2015 That's a bit of a cheek for a man born in Moldova who emigrated to Israel aged 20 purely on the basis of Israel's racist Jewish supremicist laws, and whose party mainly represents Russian Jewish immigrants. What chutzpah to condemn to death the right of Palestinians who were born there to protest the dispossession and ethnic cleansing of their own families. It's on a par with executing Native Americans for protesting Wounded Knee, or Australian Aborigines criticizing their genocide in Tasmania. And it speaks volumes that Netanyahu has not distanced himself or sacked this racist, if only for the fact that this nutjob in one sentence has undermined all the Zionists' anti Hamas and ISIS rhetoric. It is also indicative of the Israeli apologists on this forum that they seem to openly approve his barbarism. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Seastallion Posted March 10, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2015 That's a bit of a cheek for a man born in Moldova who emigrated to Israel aged 20 purely on the basis of Israel's racist Jewish supremicist laws, and whose party mainly represents Russian Jewish immigrants. What chutzpah to condemn to death the right of Palestinians who were born there to protest the dispossession and ethnic cleansing of their own families. It's on a par with executing Native Americans for protesting Wounded Knee, or Australian Aborigines criticizing their genocide in Tasmania. And it speaks volumes that Netanyahu has not distanced himself or sacked this racist, if only for the fact that this nutjob in one sentence has undermined all the Zionists' anti Hamas and ISIS rhetoric. It is also indicative of the Israeli apologists on this forum that they seem to openly approve his barbarism. Not a single word out of place. Chutzpah, Native Americans, Australian Aborigines, racist, supremacist, barbarism....all absolutely appropriate. Hopefully this maniac's platform will be his downfall....and Netanyahu's. And it IS a wonder that Netanyahu doesn't distance himself....very telling. Israel apologists that excuse his words can never again criticise ISIS beheadings.......and saying that, I think it's a shame, because ISIS SHOULD be condemned. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BKKBobby Posted March 10, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2015 (edited) Nobody should be beheaded. Israel isn't going to behead anyone. Grow up and read between the lines. He represents the far right faction of Israeli politics. They are concerned about the enemy within. That's what far right factions do everywhere. Next ... But Israelis take the ayatollahs and presidents of Iran literally, right? Even go as far as manipulate the meaning of a sentence when translating. Never thought that the same goes for far-whatever people in other countries? Other countries/ethnicites have their own rhetoric. Farangs, arabs, persians, kurds, and the list goes on...People with tunnel vision cant see this. Edited March 10, 2015 by BKKBobby 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 (edited) [attachment=310362:ImageUploadedByThaivisa Connect1425964030.465936.jpg A photo posted on Twitter after the speech showed an ISIS-like figure threatening to cut off the head of an Arab Israeli elected official. MK Haneen Zoabi’s face appears as a mask in the photo. ISIS style beheading pic threatening Arab MK circulates after Israel FM calls for beheadings arab48.com/?mod=articles&…pic.twitter.com/UETLRK0Epi Zoabi is also notable because she was recently banned from running for office in the March elections because she is an Arab, which runs counter to Israel’s claim to be a democracy. Clearly, that’s bullshit. So not only is Israel threatening death to Arab citizens who exercise freedom of speech, Israeli is denying Arab citizens the right to participate in the governing process. Stop the blatant LYING! She wasn't banned because of being an Arab and I'm sure you bloody well KNOW that. Will you post the truth now and correct yourself or allow others to do the research? Welcome to my ignore list ... no interest in any communication with a person playing sleazy Israel demonization propaganda games with no regard for any truth. (There are Arabs in the Israeli government including high level judges.) Edited March 10, 2015 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckd Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 At least it gives bed wetting leftists and those with Israel derangement syndrome a talking point and a moral equivalence argument until you consider whether rhetoric is ever likely to be backed up by action.At least the responses by the Israel apologists give people who look forward to Palestine's nationhood equivalent excuse to rhetoric by Palestinian right-wingers.No longer can any of you condemn Hamas leaders for saying something sensational....it's just rhetoric from a right winger, isn't it? Wake me up when an Israeli Arab actually is beheaded. Dan: You might want to edit your post to read... Wake me up when an Israeli Arab actually is beheaded..."by anybody other than another Arab Muslim." However, this thread has certainly brought the hysterical posters out in their full blown hysteria and fake outrage. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post zydeco Posted March 10, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2015 The quote I read indicates that the headline is wrong and an attempt to incite. The quote says "deserve to have their heads chopped off with an axe," not "should have their heads chopped off with an axe." The first instance is standard political hyperbole I have heard from all political parties and many activists all my life. The latter instance is a stated aim. So, did the FM actually say this in English the way the headline or the way the quote states or is it a translation? Lots of mischief at work in these type news stories. If I say Putin or Obama deserve to rot in hell, it is a far cry from implying that the government should put them there. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgal Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 He might have a point, but hanging would be more civilized. Do they 'deserve' a civilized threatment ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondKing Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Certainly time to bring back TREASON LAWS for the UK and other countries for those that have no alegience to the country of their birth or adoption not sure I would behead them that is a bit extreme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezzra Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Hey, what's good for the goose should be also good for the gender I say... and in Rome do as the romans do... in any way, Israel will not be the first country to introduce beheading to this region, it's a well accepted concept there already... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phrodan Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 The quote I read indicates that the headline is wrong and an attempt to incite. The quote says "deserve to have their heads chopped off with an axe," not "should have their heads chopped off with an axe." The first instance is standard political hyperbole I have heard from all political parties and many activists all my life. The latter instance is a stated aim. So, did the FM actually say this in English the way the headline or the way the quote states or is it a translation? Lots of mischief at work in these type news stories. If I say Putin or Obama deserve to rot in hell, it is a far cry from implying that the government should put them there. I used to think that hell didn't exist, but now I reckon it's a tea party convention. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post humqdpf Posted March 10, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2015 And the USA provides huge support to these guys! Imagine if a foreign minister of a predominantly muslim state advocated that a minority or foreigners would deserve beheading in such circumstances? Lets take a look at some countries past and present who would have said that disloyal citizens deserved execution: North Korea, Nazi Germany (although they executed/worked to death individuals for purely ethic reasons, such as Jews, Gypsys and others), Stalinist USSR, various locations run by warlords, monarchies from the middle ages and ISIL . . . . . . Hmmmmm What makes this Foreign Minister unusual is that he did NOT say that ALL citizens of Israel deserve to be beheaded if they were not loyal to the state - he singled out the Arab citizens for this invective. Now where have we heard something like this before? No, not even apartheid South Africa bowed so low. Yes, they went in for a huge amount of discrimination based on race but they did not behead and none of their even most extreme racist leaders ever advocated beheading for those who were disloyal to the state (or even said that those disloyal persons of any race should be beheaded). Some monarchies from the middle ages did something like this to the Jews (including making them pay more tax than everyone else so as to show their "loyalty.") They would have had to remain loyal to the regime but even the beheading part would only have been invoked in the case of a capital crime (e.g. high treason, attempted murder of the King etc). The existence of pograms would indicate that such declarations against Jews and possibly other minorities (e.g. prostestants) were common at that time. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post mjef Posted March 10, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2015 He might have a point, but hanging would be more civilized. Yeah just like that! When ISIS does it, it's barbaric. When an Israeli official says it, well he might have a point. Go get your facts straight man! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Hey, what's good for the goose should be also good for the gender I say... and in Rome do as the romans do... in any way, Israel will not be the first country to introduce beheading to this region, it's a well accepted concept there already... I hope Israel never stoops so low but Israel demonizers and sometimes even friends of Israel do not appreciate the kind of neighbors that Israel has ... they aren't Luxembourg. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverdie Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 What's the fascination with head chopping in that region of the world ? I just don't get it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zydeco Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 What's the fascination with head chopping in that region of the world ? I just don't get it. Maybe ask Henry VIII 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinmaew Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 What has the world come to? Beheading s now the new trend on Twitter over what? an ideology one chooses to hold? PS: When I order my coffee tomorrow should I be careful not to upset anyone in the queue for fear of being beheaded? F'ing madness 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pumpuy Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Ahhhhh hard not to draw a parallel between ISIS and the ruling coalition in Israel after the beheading comment from the FM Lieberman is a secret agent of IS and just can't lose the bad habits ...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pumpuy Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 (edited) Ahhhhh hard not to draw a parallel between ISIS and the ruling coalition in Israel after the beheading comment from the FM Lieberman is a secret agent of IS and just can't lose the bad habits ...! Well , behead the behaeder , and anybody supporting the beheaded or beheaders , should also be beheaded ...? The world surely would be a better place without all these idiots ... Edited March 10, 2015 by pumpuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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