manonthemon Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Hello, I run out of pages in my passport. I already applied for a new one in my embassy in bkk, however it will take them a month to get it ready. In the meantime I'm traveling abroad soon and I'm not even end sure if I have enough space for a reentry permit (I have a non b visa) in my current passport. Is there anything I can do? Will immigration squeeze in my reentry stamp between other stamps in my passport? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paz Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 They can try, if they can't they will tell you that is impossible. In that case you can try getting a emergency travel document at your embassy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Your passport may not be valid for international travel after you applied for a new passport, Many countries cancel the old passport electronically when you apply for a new one. If you have about half a page left somewhere in your passport they may be able to do the re-entry permit. I have seen scans of them being done cross ways on a page. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paz Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Your passport may not be valid for international travel after you applied for a new passport, Many countries cancel the old passport electronically when you apply for a new one. Interesting situation about which I want to expand. If a country electronically cancels one's passport, that doesn't mean that it goes int any international database making the info visible to officers of other countries. The country in question would have to manually notify specific other countries, as the US did with Snowden in Russia. A database is kept only for lost or stolen passports, http://www.interpol.int/INTERPOL-expertise/Border-management/SLTD-Database, and is not even used by all countries. Also, I think that for any countries one can enter his own on an expired or cancelled passport, providing alternate means of identification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrules Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 By the rules you should be denied boarding and possibly entry to the country you're going to but that all depends on what their computers are plugged into doesn't it. The worst case scenario would be that you're allowed to board your flight, refused entrance at your destination and then forced to travel back to the UK. Let us know what happens at the airport, it will be interesting to see if they let you fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJAS Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 They can try, if they can't they will tell you that is impossible. In that case you can try getting a emergency travel document at your embassy. The OP would,of course, need to check whether the country (or all the countries) he was planning to visit would accept an ETD. Not all do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manonthemon Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 My embassy tells me that my current passport is valid until I receive the new one. And I'm going to my home country so I don't think I'll have trouble entering it. I'm just concerned about Thai immigration as I don't think I have space left for a reentry permit stamp or maybe even a departure stamp. I guess worst case scenario is that I leave without a reentry, lose my visa and have to get a temporary passport I'm my home country, come back to Thailand on a on arrival stamp, collect my new passport at the embassy in bkk and apply for a new Thai visa in a Thai embassy in one of the neighbouring countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzexpat Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> My embassy tells me that my current passport is valid until I receive the new one. And I'm going to my home country so I don't think I'll have trouble entering it. I'm just concerned about Thai immigration as I don't think I have space left for a reentry permit stamp or maybe even a departure stamp.I guess worst case scenario is that I leave without a reentry, lose my visa and have to get a temporary passport I'm my home country, come back to Thailand on a on arrival stamp, collect my new passport at the embassy in bkk and apply for a new Thai visa in a Thai embassy in one of the neighbouring countries. Perhaps a note, addressed to "Self" should also be written which reminds of the importance of renewing passports in good time and before they are "full" would be helpful ! Edited March 11, 2015 by nzexpat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJAS Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) My embassy tells me that my current passport is valid until I receive the new one. And I'm going to my home country so I don't think I'll have trouble entering it. I'm just concerned about Thai immigration as I don't think I have space left for a reentry permit stamp or maybe even a departure stamp. If your current passport doesn't have room for even a departure stamp, it seems to me that you have no choice other than to apply for an Emergency Travel Document at your country's embassy in Bangkok if you need to travel within the next month. I guess worst case scenario is that I leave without a reentry, lose my visa and have to get a temporary passport I'm my home country, come back to Thailand on a on arrival stamp, collect my new passport at the embassy in bkk and apply for a new Thai visa in a Thai embassy in one of the neighbouring countries. Why not cancel your renewal application, obtain a replacement passport in your home country and then apply for a fresh non-B visa at your country's Royal Thai Embassy or local consulate? Would save a lot of faffing about after your return to Thailand, I would have thought! Edited March 12, 2015 by OJAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SantiSuk Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) I am in a similar position having applied to replace my British passport (which has only half a page left blank) two weeks ago. I talked to the British Embassy who agreed I qualified for an Emergency Travel Document - my reason for travel being for medical consultation with a specialist who has been treating me. The UK Government website specific to applying in Thailand states that an applicant for an ETD also "will need to visit Thai immigration for an exit visa". I queried this with the Bangkok consular officials on the Bangkok British Embassy helpline when I rang to confirm whether I would qualify for an ETD and whether I had to book an appointment (I do not have to book an appointment - I just go in to the consular services counter and it's issued same day if I satisfy all the application criteria). They confirmed that I should visit Thai immigration and find out what the time delay in processing an exit visa might be so I could be sure when to book my outbound flight Anyway the link to all this with the OP's post is that I then went to my local provincial immigration Sisaket (yesterday - it's quite coincidental that this came up on ThaiV today). I was greeted by the always helpful and apparently knowledgeable female police sargeant who I believe is No 2 in the Sisaket immigration customer interface unit and who is reasonably fluent in English. She has no idea what the Bristish Embassy is talking about when it comes to "exit visas" ("do they mean reentry visa", she asked - I said I doubted that they would confuse 'exit' with 're-entry', but it was all rather curious that it is up there on their website in black & white but the helpline seemed to know nothing about it other than to parrot the advice to "go check with Thai immigration"). That's a conundrum I will follow up with the British Embassy and a bit of a red herring to the point of the OP's post. I asked whether my British passport would be valid for exit and entry, since it is still in my possession, is nowhere near past its expiry date and has room enough for the required two 'out' and 'back in' stamps. She said absolutely - it has not been cancelled in Thai immigrations' eyes unless it has been cut across a corner. I said that my understanding was that the UK passport authorities cancelled my old passport electronically as soon as they started processing the new one. She said that this would not be picked up by Thai immigration and to prove the point (partially at least) she scanned my passport through the Thai immigration system to show me it still came up as known and not problematic. Not 100% proof that a passport that is not expired remains valid to Thailand as it could still be the case that Liverpool processing unit does not exercise a notification to all other immigration authorities until late on in the 4-6 week processing period. Does the UK go to the lengths of notifying all immigration authorities of British passports that have been cancelled; I can't see that happening myself. Is there an internationally integrated passport database used by all countries? The implication of what the Police Sargeant was saying is that no there is not. As it happens I also asked whether I would have been able to use the passport if it had been totally full. The Police Sergeant said that Thai immigration would not attach another page (I think I've seen speculation that can happen somewhere on ThaiV). In her view it would be down to the individual officer at the airport desk whether they would find a way of squeezing it in. "More likely to be accommodated on the way back in and not very likely to be accommodated on the way out" was my interpretation of her view. The OP could go to his local immigration and speak to the highest official he can get hold of in similar vein, but I suspect he has to go the ETD route given his lack of remaining spaces (and get an exit visa if it transpires that there is such a document and it is required in his case). I'll post my further enquiries about that mysterious Thai immigration exit visa document when I have quizzed the British Embassy further tomorrow. I don't think that Sisaket will see many ETDs so it's possible that the lady just doesn't have the experience I have been crediting her with here. Edited March 12, 2015 by SantiSuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manonthemon Posted March 12, 2015 Author Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) My passport is valid until I get the new one so that is not an issue. The problem is that it's full and that I'm running out of time before my trip abroad. Even if I got the emergency travel document (which is difficult as I don't live in bkk) I still find the visa/reentry confusing. Do I get it in the emergency travel document? Any even if - my non b vill expire 3 days after I return to Thailand (that is if I manage to get a reentry permit and don't lose my non b ) . Even if I have the work permit by then, I don't think it's enough time to apply for an extension of permit to stay. Or is it? Edited March 12, 2015 by manonthemon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Since you started this new topic Work permit without a non b visa? where you have answers to your last question this one is now closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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