Justice minister urges Yingluck to detail her claim of being denied right to justice

[Lite Beer]

Justice minister urges Yingluck to detail her claim of being denied right to justice

BANGKOK: -- Justice Minister Gen Paiboon Khumchaya called on former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra to detail her claim that she was not given the right to justice process and was not treated fairly.

Gen Paiboon said she should say exactly in which process and in which organization that she said she was not given the right to justice process and was not fairly treated.

He pledged to look into the issue if the former prime minister could elaborate more details.

Ms Yingluck posted in her Facebook soon after the Supreme Court’s Criminal Division for Holders of Political Offices agreed to accept her case for trial.

She insisted that she had performed her duty in honesty and in the service of the people who had voted her party into the office and inconformity with the Constitution, laws and regulations.

She claimed that the rice pledging scheme was the wish of the people and her government responded in kind to help out rice farmers who had always been exploited by the middlemen and who had never had a chance to dictate the prices of their own products.

As for the right to justice process, the ex-prime minister said she felt the rule of law had been missing in her case citing the ruling of the National Anti-Corruption Commission that there was no evidence of corruption against her or her consent for corruption, yet the NACC faulted her of dereliction of duty.

Insisting on her innocent, Ms Yingluck said she hoped she would have the right of access to justice process and would be given a fair chance to present her side of the story to the court.

More important, she said the trial must be fair, transparent and devoid of prejudice. She complained that she was not treated fairly since she was accused of failing in her duty and that she was a victim of political campaign to destroy her.

But Ms Yingluck appeared not worried about the case as she was confident of her team of lawyers who have sufficient evidence to prove her innocence.

Moreover some former cabinet ministers also offered to testify as witnesses.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/justice-minister-urges-yingluck-to-detail-her-claim-of-being-denied-right-to-justice

-- Thai PBS 2015-03-20

[Strangebrew]

I plead insanity your honor.

[NongKhaiKid]

If former cabinet ministers offering to testify for you YL include Chalerm and Mr. White Lie abandon all hope and head for the hills, well sand castles anyway.

[Rod Wallop]

I plead insanity your honor.

Believable

[lupin]

I plead insanity your honor.

she would win such a plea without question

[JOC]

>>She insisted that she had performed her duty in honesty and in the service of the people who had voted her party into the office and inconformity with the Constitution, laws and regulations.<< Quote

She forgot to mention that her "honest services" cost the taxpayers 600+ billion baht!!

[trogers]

>>She insisted that she had performed her duty in honesty and in the service of the people who had voted her party into the office and inconformity with the Constitution, laws and regulations.<< Quote

She forgot to mention that her "honest services" cost the taxpayers 600+ billion baht!!

As honest as her claim that there was no private meeting with some 'businessmen' when Parliament was in session.

[Ricardo]

But the court cases haven't even taken-place yet, so how can she prejudge the legal-proceedings now, and claim that it's all unfair ?

If she were refused the right to representation, or denied the opportunity to speak at the appropriate time, or judges were caught receiving 'lunch-boxes', then perhaps she might be able to make a case.

But thus far her claims seem to rest mainly on indignation that someone like herself should ever stand accused, which I'm afraid shows a lack-of-understanding, about what justice entails.

Perhaps she has been poorly-advised, not for the first time, or is hoping to make these cases go-away, by seeking publicity in the wider world, for injustices which haven't yet happened ?

Edited March 21, 2015 by Ricardo

[ezzra]

The woman is right, she should have allowed to finish her term as PM and have the chance

to rort the rice scam even more, and milk it for all it's got, not her money, why should

she give a hoot.... I mean how dare they, she's Thaksin sister after all....

Edited March 21, 2015 by ezzra

[nahkit]

"she said she was not given the right to justice process and was not fairly treated."

She hasn't even bothered to show up at any of the hearings.

[lucky11]

Stupid naive woman - I'm surprised that she hasn't claimed she has been tortured yet!!!

[robblok]

If she was so honest.. why did she not reserve money in the countries budget for the scheme. At first she said it would not cost money and would even bring in money. So no money was reserved in the already stretched to the limits budget. If she had included it she would have to stop other vote buying schemes.

But she chose not to include this in the budget even when it was clear it was costing the country loads of money. She even ignored it and said it was not true.. That is negligence.

If she had just put money in the budget for it I would be ok with it and no crime would have been committed, but no not even putting money there.. but telling people it did not cost money.. and now 600 billion.....

This would be a crime and a reason to bring down a government in any Western country if they ignore and try to hide stuff like this. If you know something cost money you will have to include it in the countries budget and cut spending to make sure your deficit is not too big. Governments have fallen over scandals like this

[Wombat6]

If Yingluk is so concerned about Justice, will she now admit that the Thai people were robbed of Tax money she should have paid when she sold shares and did a dodgy deal with her brothers ex wife.........did she avoid paying Tax on the Pearls she bought recently in China and all the other shopping items on her many "shopping trips" around the world that exceeded the allowable amount....and did she profit by engaging in "insider trading" on shares that she was never prosecuted for,.....and did she purposely avoid declaring the very expensive watch on her assets statement as required as a member of Parliament and.....and.....etc. She has avoided justice for a very long time....

[trogers]

If Yingluk is so concerned about Justice, will she now admit that the Thai people were robbed of Tax money she should have paid when she sold shares and did a dodgy deal with her brothers ex wife.........did she avoid paying Tax on the Pearls she bought recently in China and all the other shopping items on her many "shopping trips" around the world that exceeded the allowable amount....and did she profit by engaging in "insider trading" on shares that she was never prosecuted for,.....and did she purposely avoid declaring the very expensive watch on her assets statement as required as a member of Parliament and.....and.....etc. She has avoided justice for a very long time....

Ahhh...the acts of an 'honest' person.

Now, how do we define 'Dishonesty'?

[JOC]

Maybe Madame has woken up and smelled the coffee, realizing the she might actually face serious jail time??

But instead of showing up in court trying to defend herself, what does she do:

Posting her crocodile tears on Facebook!!

[rametindallas]

Now that she has slandered the court with her words and committed libel with her face book posting, she may have opened herself to more charges and/or being sued by member of the court. Keep digging that hole, Ms Yingluck. It won't really matter as, after you are found guilty, you will do a runner like your brother. In the mean time, keep milking that sympathy vote from your low-information followers. She really has a bad caddy calling her shots.

[Baerboxer]

>>She insisted that she had performed her duty in honesty and in the service of the people who had voted her party into the office and inconformity with the Constitution, laws and regulations.<< Quote

She forgot to mention that her "honest services" cost the taxpayers 600+ billion baht!!

She also seems to have forgotten the times she lied, was caught, lied again and the fact she was removed from office by a court for acting dishonestly.

Her government were brought to task for not abiding by the constitution, laws and parliamentary procedures - and she simply said they'd refuse to abide by any verdicts she didn't like. How honest.

At least she didn't lie to the Ombudsman - simply asked for more time to answer his questions, and after a few requests for more time simply ignored the question completely.

Honest - she probably thinks so based on Shin standards.

[SOTIRIOS]

...she meant 'being subjected to justice'.....

[Baerboxer]

If she was so honest.. why did she not reserve money in the countries budget for the scheme. At first she said it would not cost money and would even bring in money. So no money was reserved in the already stretched to the limits budget. If she had included it she would have to stop other vote buying schemes.

But she chose not to include this in the budget even when it was clear it was costing the country loads of money. She even ignored it and said it was not true.. That is negligence.

If she had just put money in the budget for it I would be ok with it and no crime would have been committed, but no not even putting money there.. but telling people it did not cost money.. and now 600 billion.....

This would be a crime and a reason to bring down a government in any Western country if they ignore and try to hide stuff like this. If you know something cost money you will have to include it in the countries budget and cut spending to make sure your deficit is not too big. Governments have fallen over scandals like this

Very true Rob. But their whole strategy was build around removing any check and balances, parliamentary accountability and making very large sums of tax payers money available for whatever they wanted.

Just think what would have happened if they'd got their hands on a 2.2 trillion baht off budget loan which would have been used however they liked, with no parliamentary checks or accountability. Add the blanket amnesty to that which would have removed any legal accountability as well as whitewashing the past.

Remember when challenged on that Yingluck said "just trust us" - yeah,right.

And still some posters defend them and try to portray them as a real government.

[ALLSEEINGEYE]

I plead insanity your honor.

Classic Cheech and Chong....thx for the chuckle, good one!!

[ALLSEEINGEYE]

So she said she did it because it's what the people want? Well for as long as there has been people and democratic Governments ruling them there has always been populist policies that are seldom in the best interest of the country as a whole.

It is a responsible leaders duty to rule in the interest of the greater good. That greater good does not include bankrupting the country to benefit yourself!!!

She also claims she ruled honestly? I would like her to give examples of that? How is sending in the riot squad to remove the opposition party before a vote to provide amnesty to thousands of political criminals (including, and especially your brother!!!) in any way honest?

Dozens and dozens more examples as well.

[Alwyn]

>>She insisted that she had performed her duty in honesty and in the service of the people who had voted her party into the office and inconformity with the Constitution, laws and regulations.<< Quote

She forgot to mention that her "honest services" cost the taxpayers 600+ billion baht!!

For goodness sakes! How many other schemes have burned and failed in the past? The navy has a submarine dock and no submarines, an aircraft carrier with no appropriate aircraft and so on! Stuff happens and it happens in every country, not every government scheme works.

[Skywalker69]

>>She insisted that she had performed her duty in honesty and in the service of the people who had voted her party into the office and inconformity with the Constitution, laws and regulations.<< Quote

She forgot to mention that her "honest services" cost the taxpayers 600+ billion baht!!

For goodness sakes! How many other schemes have burned and failed in the past? The navy has a submarine dock and no submarines, an aircraft carrier with no appropriate aircraft and so on! Stuff happens and it happens in every country, not every government scheme works.

Grasping for straws, are we?

[ginjag]

>>She insisted that she had performed her duty in honesty and in the service of the people who had voted her party into the office and inconformity with the Constitution, laws and regulations.<< Quote

She forgot to mention that her "honest services" cost the taxpayers 600+ billion baht!!

For goodness sakes! How many other schemes have burned and failed in the past? The navy has a submarine dock and no submarines, an aircraft carrier with no appropriate aircraft and so on! Stuff happens and it happens in every country, not every government scheme works.

This is a feeble attempt to defend an ex PM, who totally failed to manage a government. Never mind the submarines and aircraft carrier schemes, and it happens everywhere.. OK on this scale you name the countries . ??? and what sort of governments were they ?? for a small country like Thailand it could not have survived under the PTP Shins with losses like this, and you and some of your followers wanted an early election to allow her to get back in if my memory is correct.

[2fishin2]

>>She insisted that she had performed her duty in honesty and in the service of the people who had voted her party into the office and inconformity with the Constitution, laws and regulations.<< Quote

She forgot to mention that her "honest services" cost the taxpayers 600+ billion baht!!

For goodness sakes! How many other schemes have burned and failed in the past? The navy has a submarine dock and no submarines, an aircraft carrier with no appropriate aircraft and so on! Stuff happens and it happens in every country, not every government scheme works.

Yes the way it works in other countries is that the PM or leader/party is voted out of office fairly. In Thailand however, laws and constitutions are thrown out, military general assume power all because people believe that protests and disruptions are how to solve problems. This is Thailand where law and order only works when it is convenient to whomever, whenever.

[AGareth2]

hasn't the outcome been decided?

[Eric Loh]

>>She insisted that she had performed her duty in honesty and in the service of the people who had voted her party into the office and inconformity with the Constitution, laws and regulations.<< Quote

She forgot to mention that her "honest services" cost the taxpayers 600+ billion baht!!

For goodness sakes! How many other schemes have burned and failed in the past? The navy has a submarine dock and no submarines, an aircraft carrier with no appropriate aircraft and so on! Stuff happens and it happens in every country, not every government scheme works.

This is a feeble attempt to defend an ex PM, who totally failed to manage a government. Never mind the submarines and aircraft carrier schemes, and it happens everywhere.. OK on this scale you name the countries . ??? and what sort of governments were they ?? for a small country like Thailand it could not have survived under the PTP Shins with losses like this, and you and some of your followers wanted an early election to allow her to get back in if my memory is correct.

There are many government schemes that cost big scale lost. Failed border scheme in UK cost tax payers 500M pounds and nearer to Thailand, Malaysia 1MDB financial mismanagement cost the tax payers close to 450B Baht lost. Plenty of large scale loss if you care to goggle by governments. I don't see any leaders being charge for dereliction of duty. Corruption, yes as happen in Taiwan with President Chen. It was proven in court and he is in jail. if Yingluck is proven with evidence that she was linked to any corruption, she deserved jail but certainly not for negligence.

[greenchair]

>>She insisted that she had performed her duty in honesty and in the service of the people who had voted her party into the office and inconformity with the Constitution, laws and regulations.<< Quote

She forgot to mention that her "honest services" cost the taxpayers 600+ billion baht!!

For goodness sakes! How many other schemes have burned and failed in the past? The navy has a submarine dock and no submarines, an aircraft carrier with no appropriate aircraft and so on! Stuff happens and it happens in every country, not every government scheme works.

This is a feeble attempt to defend an ex PM, who totally failed to manage a government. Never mind the submarines and aircraft carrier schemes, and it happens everywhere.. OK on this scale you name the countries . ??? and what sort of governments were they ?? for a small country like Thailand it could not have survived under the PTP Shins with losses like this, and you and some of your followers wanted an early election to allow her to get back in if my memory is correct.

And what about the 2 and a half trillion baht train project. That will be overseen by the appointed ones . Do you think thailand will survive the mass corruption that's bound to go on there.

[rubl]

>>She insisted that she had performed her duty in honesty and in the service of the people who had voted her party into the office and inconformity with the Constitution, laws and regulations.<< Quote

She forgot to mention that her "honest services" cost the taxpayers 600+ billion baht!!

For goodness sakes! How many other schemes have burned and failed in the past? The navy has a submarine dock and no submarines, an aircraft carrier with no appropriate aircraft and so on! Stuff happens and it happens in every country, not every government scheme works.

This is a feeble attempt to defend an ex PM, who totally failed to manage a government. Never mind the submarines and aircraft carrier schemes, and it happens everywhere.. OK on this scale you name the countries . ??? and what sort of governments were they ?? for a small country like Thailand it could not have survived under the PTP Shins with losses like this, and you and some of your followers wanted an early election to allow her to get back in if my memory is correct.

There are many government schemes that cost big scale lost. Failed border scheme in UK cost tax payers 500M pounds and nearer to Thailand, Malaysia 1MDB financial mismanagement cost the tax payers close to 450B Baht lost. Plenty of large scale loss if you care to goggle by governments. I don't see any leaders being charge for dereliction of duty. Corruption, yes as happen in Taiwan with President Chen. It was proven in court and he is in jail. if Yingluck is proven with evidence that she was linked to any corruption, she deserved jail but certainly not for negligence.

Absolutely, dear Eric. Over the last two thousand years there are lots of cases where governments have misbehaved.

Anyway here we talk about a 'self-financing' scheme which lost 700++ billion Baht. A scheme which reached almost none of the allegedly intended, although the money may have reached the 'right' people. Now as I wrote a few times already, if only Ms. Yingluck would have called it a subsidy and put a hundred billion Baht reservation in the National Budget, she would have followed normal procedures and would not be where she is today.

Interesting in the topic is the logic, or lack of it. Ms. Yingluck not corrupt, so why charge with negligence.

[rubl]

>>She insisted that she had performed her duty in honesty and in the service of the people who had voted her party into the office and inconformity with the Constitution, laws and regulations.<< Quote

She forgot to mention that her "honest services" cost the taxpayers 600+ billion baht!!

For goodness sakes! How many other schemes have burned and failed in the past? The navy has a submarine dock and no submarines, an aircraft carrier with no appropriate aircraft and so on! Stuff happens and it happens in every country, not every government scheme works.

This is a feeble attempt to defend an ex PM, who totally failed to manage a government. Never mind the submarines and aircraft carrier schemes, and it happens everywhere.. OK on this scale you name the countries . ??? and what sort of governments were they ?? for a small country like Thailand it could not have survived under the PTP Shins with losses like this, and you and some of your followers wanted an early election to allow her to get back in if my memory is correct.

And what about the 2 and a half trillion baht train project. That will be overseen by the appointed ones . Do you think thailand will survive the mass corruption that's bound to go on there.

Does this explain why Ms. Yingluck has asked for justice and a chance to explain herself and the Supreme Court for Political Office Holders has been obliging ?