Placed in the context of the current martial law, my position is that the North is unfairly targeted if the intent is to attack corruption and to clean up the country. The precedent was set for intervention during an insurrection. We saw it with the drug cartels in the north and it is ongoing in the deep south.

I'd advocate carpet bombing with napalm on Phuket and Surat Thani along with Koh Samui if it would clean the place up once and for all.

Ah, the American solution, kill us all and let god decide who was guilty. On behalf of my family and the others resident here I would like to suggest you perform certain physically impossible acts which I am not allowed to specify under forum rules, even as an acronym.

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It is easy to blame the past government, but the problem has been in high gear for at least the past 10 years as acknowledged by General P, so that brings the former Abhisit government and the military regime that preceded it into the picture. How about being fair and refraining from using this as an opportunity to score points? As the former PM pointed out , the major factor was corruption in the government and she's right. The major trafficking delivery points have always been to the south. Whether it was Rohingya or the fishing fleets. Try as the former government did it couldn't get the Royal Thai Navy to act. It couldn't make a dent in the endemic and deeply routed corruption in the south particularly in the Suthep stronghold of Nahkon Si Thammarat-Surat Thani-Phuket. Abhisit was handcuffed for political reasons because he needed the south's support and the former military regime didn't care. The problem can't be effectively dealt with until their is a relentless and severe attack on the corruption in the south.

We keep hearing the stories about evil Bangkok, or the corrupt North, but the reality is that it is the south where the corruption is at its worst. Instead of placing Issan under martial law, apply it to Phuket and conduct the same types of house to house searches. I can guarantee more illegal weapons, illegal workers, yaba and other illegal activities would be uncovered than what we hear about elsewhere.

As the former PM pointed out , the major factor was corruption in the government and she's right.

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Try as the former government did it couldn't get the Royal Thai Navy to act.

which reminds me of a tidbit I read some time ago... Apparently the declared, average wealth of an Admiral is significantly higher than that of a General. Which is saying something... alt=coffee1.gif width=32 height=24>

Which reminds me you didn't say much here, just some suggestion it would seem, based on the musings of another poster.

Anyway, you might be right, about the wealth of Admirals. Think you can still find the article you read such in? It may further my education as well alt=wai.gif width=20 height=20>

that the super troll doesn't understand what I post is not a surprise

if you want to keep up with events in Thailand, mister super troll, you have to read what cannot be posted here.

You mean: The Economist, Washington Post...?

It is easy to blame the past government, but the problem has been in high gear for at least the past 10 years as acknowledged by General P, so that brings the former Abhisit government and the military regime that preceded it into the picture. How about being fair and refraining from using this as an opportunity to score points? As the former PM pointed out , the major factor was corruption in the government and she's right. The major trafficking delivery points have always been to the south. Whether it was Rohingya or the fishing fleets. Try as the former government did it couldn't get the Royal Thai Navy to act. It couldn't make a dent in the endemic and deeply routed corruption in the south particularly in the Suthep stronghold of Nahkon Si Thammarat-Surat Thani-Phuket. Abhisit was handcuffed for political reasons because he needed the south's support and the former military regime didn't care. The problem can't be effectively dealt with until their is a relentless and severe attack on the corruption in the south.

We keep hearing the stories about evil Bangkok, or the corrupt North, but the reality is that it is the south where the corruption is at its worst. Instead of placing Issan under martial law, apply it to Phuket and conduct the same types of house to house searches. I can guarantee more illegal weapons, illegal workers, yaba and other illegal activities would be uncovered than what we hear about elsewhere.

As the former PM pointed out , the major factor was corruption in the government and she's right.

&

Try as the former government did it couldn't get the Royal Thai Navy to act.

which reminds me of a tidbit I read some time ago... Apparently the declared, average wealth of an Admiral is significantly higher than that of a General. Which is saying something...

Which reminds me you didn't say much here, just some suggestion it would seem, based on the musings of another poster.

Anyway, you might be right, about the wealth of Admirals. Think you can still find the article you read such in? It may further my education as well

that the super troll doesn't understand what I post is not a surprise

if you want to keep up with events in Thailand, mister super troll, you have to read what cannot be posted here.

Oh come on TB, the usual about trolling and a tidbit you read some time ago.

Apparently the declared wealth averaged is a state secret, even though it has been declared. Or maybe you remember incorrectly, which is a distinct possibility.

Strictly speaking you're not saying that you cannot post what you read, strictly speaking you obfuscate into 'what cannot be posted here'. Leave people guessing.

recalling her government’s interest on the issue

Being interested in a problem is not the same as actually doing something about it.

attempt to solve the problem was always on the agenda

Having something on your agenda is not the same as positive action on the matter.

her government’s concerted effort in tackling human trafficking

Why was not even one of those efforts mentioned? Did the press intentionally leave out where she described where her government took action?

cited her latest report of her government’s effort to dove the problem

Why was not even one of those efforts mentioned? Did the press intentionally leave out where she described where her government took action?

her government’s report which attributed corruption among government officials in solving human trafficking in the fishing industry particularly the Rohinya migrant labour.

Her government attributed the problem to corruption. But what did she DO about the the corruption? Attributing is not the same as positive action on the matter.

the problem could serve as a good lesson for the government to realise the significance of media reports, as well as calls by the human rights groups so as to be efficiently achieve solution of human trafficking on a sustainable basis.

She realized the significance of reports. Realizing is not the same as positive action on the matter.

the first significant step of solving any problem is to accept that the problem does exist so that all efforts could be mobilised to solve this challenging international level problem.

Her government accepted that the problem exists. Accepting is not the same as positive action on the matter.

I believe that Ms Yingluck subscribes to the saying, "If you can't dazzle them with you brilliance, baffle them with your bullshit".

Is the press being biased/incompetent or did she really not say her government did anything of substance? There are a lot of words but "where's the beef". Can anyone name one positive effort by the Yingluck government to end/reduce human trafficking (since Ms Yingluck herself, didn't)? IIRC, there were always stories of human trafficking in the news during her tenure but I can't recall any story of action to prevent/reduce such during her tenure. Does anyone have a link to show her government did anything?

I'm sorry to sound like a troll but this will probably be the way she defends doing nothing to stop the corruption in the Rice Support Program.

if anyone here has been baffled by bullshit, it is those with liberal western upbringings cheerleading the generals oppressing a nation and its citizens

And what is your claim to fame? Where did you complete you studies in Thai politics? Please enlighten us with more words of wisdom and inform us how the nation and its citizens are being oppressed. If you know the definition, then please give us examples of what you allege.

"Who was the head military man when the military were involved in the trafficking and have charged foreign journalists with defamation for reporting on the Thai military actions."

Well yingluck was the defense minister, she was in charge.

Cute. You know damn well that no civilian defense authority has ever had any control over the military. The military has proclaimed multiple times that it does not answer to civilian governments.

Want to try smearing the former PM again?

Stop pretending GK. Yingluck was the PM and Defense Minister. The DSI and Police were under her (her brother's) control. She could, and should have done far more.

But to easy too luck the other way, especially when you've got both hands firmly in other very nice cookie jars at the time.

He isn't smearing the disgraced former PM/DM. She managed that perfectly well herself by doing nothing other than what her brother instructed which was focused on his amnesty whitewash, enriching the family further, and protecting the family from future criminal accountability.

Just check - how many times did she attend parliament, how many defense meetings did she chair, how many anti-trafficking meeting did she chair? How many trips did she make to the South in either or both capacities?

You want to blame the former PM for all the ills of corruption, fine.

Now explain why the DSI and all manner of police and investigation agencies have never arrested or charged anyone implicated in the southern land encroachments. Give me one intelligent explanation. The army has had absolute control and yet the land encroachment continues. The theft of public assets continues. The human trafficking continues. The corruption continues. Yingluck is gone and has been out of the picture for some time. Where are the arrests, the charges, the justice in respect to the ongoing corruption? How is it the Marine Office 5 continues to flout the law that says no commercial business on public beaches?

It's easier to blame the former PM then to ask why one of the largest commercial interests in Thailand, the owner of resorts and golf courses, and for profit airports is not accountable to any civilian government.

You should read the posts again, maybe you're having some comprehension problems. I didn't say I blame the former disgraced PM for all the ills of corruption. But, I do contend that, yet again, she is simply lying when she claims her government did this, that and the other.

The DSI under Tarit was a complete political tool for Thaksin and Yingluck. Now Tarit is under investigation.......... yep, for land encroachment. Maybe the case of the temple land and the golf course will come back into the limelight at some point.

The fact is not many hiso rich people ever get charged with much really, and when they do the cases seem to fritter away.

But for Yingluck to constantly claim her government achieved things which they never did is just continuing her practice of constant lying.

It is easy to blame the past government, but the problem has been in high gear for at least the past 10 years as acknowledged by General P, so that brings the former Abhisit government and the military regime that preceded it into the picture. How about being fair and refraining from using this as an opportunity to score points? As the former PM pointed out , the major factor was corruption in the government and she's right. The major trafficking delivery points have always been to the south. Whether it was Rohingya or the fishing fleets. Try as the former government did it couldn't get the Royal Thai Navy to act. It couldn't make a dent in the endemic and deeply routed corruption in the south particularly in the Suthep stronghold of Nahkon Si Thammarat-Surat Thani-Phuket. Abhisit was handcuffed for political reasons because he needed the south's support and the former military regime didn't care. The problem can't be effectively dealt with until their is a relentless and severe attack on the corruption in the south.

We keep hearing the stories about evil Bangkok, or the corrupt North, but the reality is that it is the south where the corruption is at its worst. Instead of placing Issan under martial law, apply it to Phuket and conduct the same types of house to house searches. I can guarantee more illegal weapons, illegal workers, yaba and other illegal activities would be uncovered than what we hear about elsewhere.

As the former PM pointed out , the major factor was corruption in the government and she's right.

&

Try as the former government did it couldn't get the Royal Thai Navy to act.

which reminds me of a tidbit I read some time ago... Apparently the declared, average wealth of an Admiral is significantly higher than that of a General. Which is saying something...

A titbit, you read some time ago. O K.

Did you read any titbits that said the declared average wealth of the non democratically appointed red shirt leaders was significantly higher than the Admirals and Generals?

recalling her governments interest on the issue

Being interested in a problem is not the same as actually doing something about it.

attempt to solve the problem was always on the agenda

Having something on your agenda is not the same as positive action on the matter.

her governments concerted effort in tackling human trafficking

Why was not even one of those efforts mentioned? Did the press intentionally leave out where she described where her government took action?

cited her latest report of her governments effort to dove the problem

Why was not even one of those efforts mentioned? Did the press intentionally leave out where she described where her government took action?

her governments report which attributed corruption among government officials in solving human trafficking in the fishing industry particularly the Rohinya migrant labour.

Her government attributed the problem to corruption. But what did she DO about the the corruption? Attributing is not the same as positive action on the matter.

the problem could serve as a good lesson for the government to realise the significance of media reports, as well as calls by the human rights groups so as to be efficiently achieve solution of human trafficking on a sustainable basis.

She realized the significance of reports. Realizing is not the same as positive action on the matter.

the first significant step of solving any problem is to accept that the problem does exist so that all efforts could be mobilised to solve this challenging international level problem.

Her government accepted that the problem exists. Accepting is not the same as positive action on the matter.

I believe that Ms Yingluck subscribes to the saying, "If you can't dazzle them with you brilliance, baffle them with your bullshit".

Is the press being biased/incompetent or did she really not say her government did anything of substance? There are a lot of words but "where's the beef". Can anyone name one positive effort by the Yingluck government to end/reduce human trafficking (since Ms Yingluck herself, didn't)? IIRC, there were always stories of human trafficking in the news during her tenure but I can't recall any story of action to prevent/reduce such during her tenure. Does anyone have a link to show her government did anything?

I'm sorry to sound like a troll but this will probably be the way she defends doing nothing to stop the corruption in the Rice Support Program.

if anyone here has been baffled by bullshit, it is those with liberal western upbringings cheerleading the generals oppressing a nation and its citizens

Interesting posts from a 3 hour member, all critical of the current government of the Kingdom....

Does it really matter if you are a " 3 hour member" or a troll that Constantly sits in front of his PC?

Some of us have lived here for years and read your troll postings!

Recently many members TVF have been criticed for being on here for less than x amount of years, or x amount of postings!

Why don't the abusers of this grow up, or is this forum going to be like the present regime and let only yellow shirt supporters have their say?

I am a newbie here before you ask having only lived here for nearly 20 years!

recalling her governments interest on the issue

Being interested in a problem is not the same as actually doing something about it.

attempt to solve the problem was always on the agenda

Having something on your agenda is not the same as positive action on the matter.

her governments concerted effort in tackling human trafficking

Why was not even one of those efforts mentioned? Did the press intentionally leave out where she described where her government took action?

cited her latest report of her governments effort to dove the problem

Why was not even one of those efforts mentioned? Did the press intentionally leave out where she described where her government took action?

her governments report which attributed corruption among government officials in solving human trafficking in the fishing industry particularly the Rohinya migrant labour.

Her government attributed the problem to corruption. But what did she DO about the the corruption? Attributing is not the same as positive action on the matter.

the problem could serve as a good lesson for the government to realise the significance of media reports, as well as calls by the human rights groups so as to be efficiently achieve solution of human trafficking on a sustainable basis.

She realized the significance of reports. Realizing is not the same as positive action on the matter.

the first significant step of solving any problem is to accept that the problem does exist so that all efforts could be mobilised to solve this challenging international level problem.

Her government accepted that the problem exists. Accepting is not the same as positive action on the matter.

I believe that Ms Yingluck subscribes to the saying, "If you can't dazzle them with you brilliance, baffle them with your bullshit".

Is the press being biased/incompetent or did she really not say her government did anything of substance? There are a lot of words but "where's the beef". Can anyone name one positive effort by the Yingluck government to end/reduce human trafficking (since Ms Yingluck herself, didn't)? IIRC, there were always stories of human trafficking in the news during her tenure but I can't recall any story of action to prevent/reduce such during her tenure. Does anyone have a link to show her government did anything?

I'm sorry to sound like a troll but this will probably be the way she defends doing nothing to stop the corruption in the Rice Support Program.

if anyone here has been baffled by bullshit, it is those with liberal western upbringings cheerleading the generals oppressing a nation and its citizens

Interesting posts from a 3 hour member, all critical of the current government of the Kingdom....

Does it really matter if you are a " 3 hour member" or a troll that Constantly sits in front of his PC?

Some of us have lived here for years and read your troll postings!

Recently many members TVF have been criticed for being on here for less than x amount of years, or x amount of postings!

Why don't the abusers of this grow up, or is this forum going to be like the present regime and let only yellow shirt supporters have their say?

I am a newbie here before you ask having only lived here for nearly 20 years!

I've been accused to have nothing else to do and because of having no life and being miserable seem to just post along with my near 19,000 posts used as proof.

Anyway, Yingluck dismisses allegations, just like we do

Why doesn't Yingluk just pass the blame onto Abhisit and so on and so on, problem solved or did this just start under Yingluk watch?

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recalling her government’s interest on the issue

Being interested in a problem is not the same as actually doing something about it.

attempt to solve the problem was always on the agenda

Having something on your agenda is not the same as positive action on the matter.

her government’s concerted effort in tackling human trafficking

Why was not even one of those efforts mentioned? Did the press intentionally leave out where she described where her government took action?

cited her latest report of her government’s effort to dove the problem

Why was not even one of those efforts mentioned? Did the press intentionally leave out where she described where her government took action?

her government’s report which attributed corruption among government officials in solving human trafficking in the fishing industry particularly the Rohinya migrant labour.

Her government attributed the problem to corruption. But what did she DO about the the corruption? Attributing is not the same as positive action on the matter.

the problem could serve as a good lesson for the government to realise the significance of media reports, as well as calls by the human rights groups so as to be efficiently achieve solution of human trafficking on a sustainable basis.

She realized the significance of reports. Realizing is not the same as positive action on the matter.

the first significant step of solving any problem is to accept that the problem does exist so that all efforts could be mobilised to solve this challenging international level problem.

Her government accepted that the problem exists. Accepting is not the same as positive action on the matter.

I believe that Ms Yingluck subscribes to the saying, "If you can't dazzle them with you brilliance, baffle them with your bullshit".

Is the press being biased/incompetent or did she really not say her government did anything of substance? There are a lot of words but "where's the beef". Can anyone name one positive effort by the Yingluck government to end/reduce human trafficking (since Ms Yingluck herself, didn't)? IIRC, there were always stories of human trafficking in the news during her tenure but I can't recall any story of action to prevent/reduce such during her tenure. Does anyone have a link to show her government did anything?

I'm sorry to sound like a troll but this will probably be the way she defends doing nothing to stop the corruption in the Rice Support Program.

if anyone here has been baffled by bullshit, it is those with liberal western upbringings cheerleading the generals oppressing a nation and its citizens

9 posts, is that the best you can do?

Maybe you'd like to make a detailed and constructive on topic comment. That might be better to build some credibility. You can at least try.

Oh the irony!!

The experienced old hand with 7630 posts are attacking the poster instead of replying to his post!!

I've read some of your responses Joc. Don't be hypocritical my friend, or are you suffering from CRAFT? Can't remember a frigging thing.