International court welcomes Palestinians as 123rd member

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International court welcomes Palestinians as 123rd member
MIKE CORDER, Associated Press

THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) — The Palestinian Authority became a member of the International Criminal Court on Wednesday, saying it wanted "justice not vengeance" for alleged Israeli war crimes.

Joining the court is part of a broader effort by the Palestinians to put international pressure on Israel and comes at a time when the chances of resuming negotiations on Palestinian statehood are seen as slim following Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's recent election victory and tough campaign rhetoric.

"In the face of the great injustice our people are enduring and the repeated crimes committed against it, Palestine has decided to seek justice, not vengeance," Palestinian Foreign Minister Riad Malki said after a brief welcome ceremony.

Palestinians signed the court's founding treaty in January and Palestinian membership came into force Wednesday. International justice activists hailed the occasion as an opportunity to bring accountability to years of conflict between Palestinians and Israel.

Israel is not a member of the ICC, but the country's military and civilian leaders could now face charges if they are believed to have committed crimes on Palestinian territory. Israel had no immediate comment Wednesday.

The court's chief prosecutor, Fatou Bensouda, opened a preliminary investigation in mid-January after the Palestinians formally accepted the court's jurisdiction dating back to just before last year's Gaza conflict.

Malki said the Palestinian Authority was waiting to see the result of the preliminary probe. However, he stressed the Palestinians were ready to call for a formal investigation if the initial examination of evidence took too long, though he did not say how long that would be.

Some preliminary examinations have taken months, others are continuing after years.

Human Rights Watch welcomed the Palestinian Authority as the court's 123rd member and stressed it is now up to Bensouda to weigh whether there is strong enough evidence to merit a full-scale investigation.

"Any decision whether to pursue an investigation and against whom is not in the hands of the Palestinians or the Israelis," said Balkees Jarrah, international justice counsel at Human Rights Watch.

The review will likely focus initially on last year's Gaza conflict. The Palestinians suffered heavy civilian casualties, prompting allegations by some rights groups that Israel committed war crimes. Leaders of Hamas, which rules Gaza, could also face charges because the militant group fired rockets indiscriminately at Israeli civilian areas.

In a statement, Hamas official Ismail Radwan called Wednesday's move "a step in the right direction." He said Palestinian leaders must use the opportunity "to pursue the (Israeli) occupation and fight it until it's punished for its crimes against the Palestinian people."

Prosecutors could also look at the issue of Israeli settlement building, considered illegal by much of the world. However, prosecutors in The Hague do not have jurisdiction over events that happened before the Palestinians joined the court.

William R. Pace, convenor of the Coalition for the ICC which supports and promotes the court's work, said Palestinian membership "gives hope to victims in both Palestine and Israel that they might see justice done and the conflict brought to a peaceful end."


-- (c) Associated Press 2015-04-02

[Steely Dan]

Meanwhile Abbas calls for Arab league forces to bomb Gaza to stop the other half of the Palestinian 'unity' government. I guess any resulting casualties would not be of concern to the ICC.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/193301#.VRfZ8_nF98E

[Seastallion]

How can Hamas face prosecution? On behalf of which member country? I do not believe Hamas has ever fired upon any country that recognises the jurisdiction of the ICC.

[ezzra]

Now that the Palestinians are members of the ICC, with it come duties as well, they have open themselves

for scrutinizes and accusation just like any other country, and the PA has a long, long history

of crimes against humanity of their own making that will put to shame any other leaving or dead tyrants...

The Palestinians should be careful for the are wishing for, it just might turn around and bite in the ass....

[up-country_sinclair]

The Palestinian Authority became a member of the International Criminal Court on Wednesday

If I had the spare time I would enjoy going back to read all those posts stating that this day would never come.

[RockyBeerbelly]

Now that the Palestinians are members of the ICC, with it come duties as well, they have open themselves

for scrutinizes and accusation just like any other country, and the PA has a long, long history

of crimes against humanity of their own making that will put to shame any other leaving or dead tyrants...

The Palestinians should be careful for the are wishing for, it just might turn around and bite in the ass....

When you talk about crimes against humanity, my guess is that you refer to the fight of the Palestinians against their occupier/oppressor. As I mentioned multiple times before on this forum, it very much depends on from which political angle one views the Israel/Palestinian situation. My grandfather was in the resistance in the second world war. He was caught and was sent to Dachau because the Nazis found his actions to be terrorist actions. For me, my grandfather was a freedom fighter and a hero, but you might differ from my views of course.

The action of the Palestinians going to ICC to get justice on the war crimes and real crimes against humanity done by the Israeli, on many occasions, won’t bite them in the ass, because Israel is not a member of ICC and will therefore not be able to issue any form of counter claim. Its btw not surprising that Israel is not a member of the ICC, because Israel avoids any international authority, resolutions, mandates, agreements, etc., except for one of course: UN Resolution 181.

Many of the Israel friends here on TV are defending the fact that Israel has no respect for any international agreements what-so-ever (though these same TV members complain bitterly if Iran is fighting the security council resolution on enrichment ) My guess is, that in the long run this attitude will bite Israel in the ass....a start has been made with the ICC.

[ggold]

Now that the Palestinians are members of the ICC, with it come duties as well, they have open themselves

for scrutinizes and accusation just like any other country, and the PA has a long, long history

of crimes against humanity of their own making that will put to shame any other leaving or dead tyrants...

The Palestinians should be careful for the are wishing for, it just might turn around and bite in the ass....

When you talk about crimes against humanity, my guess is that you refer to the fight of the Palestinians against their occupier/oppressor. As I mentioned multiple times before on this forum, it very much depends on from which political angle one views the Israel/Palestinian situation. My grandfather was in the resistance in the second world war. He was caught and was sent to Dachau because the Nazis found his actions to be terrorist actions. For me, my grandfather was a freedom fighter and a hero, but you might differ from my views of course.

The action of the Palestinians going to ICC to get justice on the war crimes and real crimes against humanity done by the Israeli, on many occasions, won’t bite them in the ass, because Israel is not a member of ICC and will therefore not be able to issue any form of counter claim. Its btw not surprising that Israel is not a member of the ICC, because Israel avoids any international authority, resolutions, mandates, agreements, etc., except for one of course: UN Resolution 181.

Many of the Israel friends here on TV are defending the fact that Israel has no respect for any international agreements what-so-ever (though these same TV members complain bitterly if Iran is fighting the security council resolution on enrichment ) My guess is, that in the long run this attitude will bite Israel in the ass....a start has been made with the ICC.

The action of the Palestinians going to ICC to get justice on the war crimes and real crimes against humanity done by the Israeli, on many occasions, won’t bite them in the ass, because Israel is not a member of ICC and will therefore not be able to issue any form of counter claim.

Total rubbish. Even in a court of law the defendant has a right to justice.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/12622#.VRzpNOH27Dc

Israel's Step-by-Step Legal Defense in the Hague

Israel’s argument is simple: PLO/Palestine is an explicit and overt genocidal entity, and the ICC/ICJ allowing a genocidal entity to sue in the ICC/ICJ would make the ICC/ICJ into a direct partner in the PLO/Palestine’s genocide against Israel. In short, the ICC/ICJ’s allowing the PLO/Palestine to sue Israel would make the ICC/ICJ itself into a genocidal entity.

2. PLO/Palestine’s assertion of international jurisdiction would allow for an Israeli counter-lawsuit for all of the thousands of the PLO’s genocidal terror attacks on civilians

The UNGA “Question of Palestine” Resolution explicitly claimed all of Palestine, including Gaza, is one juridical area. Hamas claims its interest in the PLO/Palestine State every bit as much as Fatah claims its interest in the PLO/Palestine State. Hamas and Fatah are only political parties of the PLO/Palestine State.

So, it’s like one part of the United States is controlled by the Republicans, and the other part of the US is controlled by the Democrats. It’s still one United States. So, if Hamas attacks Israel from one part of the PLO/Palestine, it’s still an attack from the single legal entity of the PLO/Palestine. And, it is the single legal entity of PLO/Palestine that can be held accountable for any and all Hamas or Fatah terrorist actions.

(For the full text of the actual November 29, 2012 UNGA “Question of Palestine” go to: www.marklangfan.com/plostateunresolutiontext.html)

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[RockyBeerbelly]

Now that the Palestinians are members of the ICC, with it come duties as well, they have open themselves

for scrutinizes and accusation just like any other country, and the PA has a long, long history

of crimes against humanity of their own making that will put to shame any other leaving or dead tyrants...

The Palestinians should be careful for the are wishing for, it just might turn around and bite in the ass....

When you talk about crimes against humanity, my guess is that you refer to the fight of the Palestinians against their occupier/oppressor. As I mentioned multiple times before on this forum, it very much depends on from which political angle one views the Israel/Palestinian situation. My grandfather was in the resistance in the second world war. He was caught and was sent to Dachau because the Nazis found his actions to be terrorist actions. For me, my grandfather was a freedom fighter and a hero, but you might differ from my views of course.

The action of the Palestinians going to ICC to get justice on the war crimes and real crimes against humanity done by the Israeli, on many occasions, won’t bite them in the ass, because Israel is not a member of ICC and will therefore not be able to issue any form of counter claim. Its btw not surprising that Israel is not a member of the ICC, because Israel avoids any international authority, resolutions, mandates, agreements, etc., except for one of course: UN Resolution 181.

Many of the Israel friends here on TV are defending the fact that Israel has no respect for any international agreements what-so-ever (though these same TV members complain bitterly if Iran is fighting the security council resolution on enrichment ) My guess is, that in the long run this attitude will bite Israel in the ass....a start has been made with the ICC.

The action of the Palestinians going to ICC to get justice on the war crimes and real crimes against humanity done by the Israeli, on many occasions, won’t bite them in the ass, because Israel is not a member of ICC and will therefore not be able to issue any form of counter claim.

Total rubbish. Even in a court of law the defendant has a right to justice.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/12622#.VRzpNOH27Dc

Israel's Step-by-Step Legal Defense in the Hague

Israel’s argument is simple: PLO/Palestine is an explicit and overt genocidal entity, and the ICC/ICJ allowing a genocidal entity to sue in the ICC/ICJ would make the ICC/ICJ into a direct partner in the PLO/Palestine’s genocide against Israel. In short, the ICC/ICJ’s allowing the PLO/Palestine to sue Israel would make the ICC/ICJ itself into a genocidal entity.

2. PLO/Palestine’s assertion of international jurisdiction would allow for an Israeli counter-lawsuit for all of the thousands of the PLO’s genocidal terror attacks on civilians

The UNGA “Question of Palestine” Resolution explicitly claimed all of Palestine, including Gaza, is one juridical area. Hamas claims its interest in the PLO/Palestine State every bit as much as Fatah claims its interest in the PLO/Palestine State. Hamas and Fatah are only political parties of the PLO/Palestine State.

So, it’s like one part of the United States is controlled by the Republicans, and the other part of the US is controlled by the Democrats. It’s still one United States. So, if Hamas attacks Israel from one part of the PLO/Palestine, it’s still an attack from the single legal entity of the PLO/Palestine. And, it is the single legal entity of PLO/Palestine that can be held accountable for any and all Hamas or Fatah terrorist actions.

(For the full text of the actual November 29, 2012 UNGA “Question of Palestine” go to: www.marklangfan.com/plostateunresolutiontext.html)

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Thousants of PLO genocidal terror attackt?

You mean during the 2014 war where 2,139 Palestinians were murdered (of which some 500 children), the 20,000 destroyed homes of the Palestians, the 3700 rockets dropped on Gaza by the IDF, compared to the genocide of 58 Israeli soldiers and 6 Israeli civilians? And then we are not even talking about the chemical weapons Israel has used on on people who are locked up in a refugee camp!

As I said in my post, my grandfather was also deemed a terrorist in the eyes of the Nazis, because he fought (including bombings) the occupying force. He was my hero, but you can disagree of course. I only find it so ironic that (friends of) Israel is now labelling my grandfather a terrorist......

Edited April 2, 2015 by RockyBeerbelly

[RuamRudy]

The action of the Palestinians going to ICC to get justice on the war crimes and real crimes against humanity done by the Israeli, on many occasions, won’t bite them in the ass, because Israel is not a member of ICC and will therefore not be able to issue any form of counter claim.

Total rubbish. Even in a court of law the defendant has a right to justice.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/12622#.VRzpNOH27Dc

Israel's Step-by-Step Legal Defense in the Hague

Israel’s argument is simple: PLO/Palestine is an explicit and overt genocidal entity, and the ICC/ICJ allowing a genocidal entity to sue in the ICC/ICJ would make the ICC/ICJ into a direct partner in the PLO/Palestine’s genocide against Israel. In short, the ICC/ICJ’s allowing the PLO/Palestine to sue Israel would make the ICC/ICJ itself into a genocidal entity.

2. PLO/Palestine’s assertion of international jurisdiction would allow for an Israeli counter-lawsuit for all of the thousands of the PLO’s genocidal terror attacks on civilians

The UNGA “Question of Palestine” Resolution explicitly claimed all of Palestine, including Gaza, is one juridical area. Hamas claims its interest in the PLO/Palestine State every bit as much as Fatah claims its interest in the PLO/Palestine State. Hamas and Fatah are only political parties of the PLO/Palestine State.

So, it’s like one part of the United States is controlled by the Republicans, and the other part of the US is controlled by the Democrats. It’s still one United States. So, if Hamas attacks Israel from one part of the PLO/Palestine, it’s still an attack from the single legal entity of the PLO/Palestine. And, it is the single legal entity of PLO/Palestine that can be held accountable for any and all Hamas or Fatah terrorist actions.

(For the full text of the actual November 29, 2012 UNGA “Question of Palestine” go to: www.marklangfan.com/plostateunresolutiontext.html)

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Do you not understand the meaning of the word 'genocide', or are you counting on the other users not understanding it, and thus hoping to score a cheap point through lies?

[Seastallion]

Now that the Palestinians are members of the ICC, with it come duties as well, they have open themselves

for scrutinizes and accusation just like any other country, and the PA has a long, long history

of crimes against humanity of their own making that will put to shame any other leaving or dead tyrants...

The Palestinians should be careful for the are wishing for, it just might turn around and bite in the ass....

When you talk about crimes against humanity, my guess is that you refer to the fight of the Palestinians against their occupier/oppressor. As I mentioned multiple times before on this forum, it very much depends on from which political angle one views the Israel/Palestinian situation. My grandfather was in the resistance in the second world war. He was caught and was sent to Dachau because the Nazis found his actions to be terrorist actions. For me, my grandfather was a freedom fighter and a hero, but you might differ from my views of course.

The action of the Palestinians going to ICC to get justice on the war crimes and real crimes against humanity done by the Israeli, on many occasions, won’t bite them in the ass, because Israel is not a member of ICC and will therefore not be able to issue any form of counter claim. Its btw not surprising that Israel is not a member of the ICC, because Israel avoids any international authority, resolutions, mandates, agreements, etc., except for one of course: UN Resolution 181.

Many of the Israel friends here on TV are defending the fact that Israel has no respect for any international agreements what-so-ever (though these same TV members complain bitterly if Iran is fighting the security council resolution on enrichment ) My guess is, that in the long run this attitude will bite Israel in the ass....a start has been made with the ICC.

The action of the Palestinians going to ICC to get justice on the war crimes and real crimes against humanity done by the Israeli, on many occasions, won’t bite them in the ass, because Israel is not a member of ICC and will therefore not be able to issue any form of counter claim.

Total rubbish. Even in a court of law the defendant has a right to justice.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/12622#.VRzpNOH27Dc

Israel's Step-by-Step Legal Defense in the Hague

Israel’s argument is simple: PLO/Palestine is an explicit and overt genocidal entity, and the ICC/ICJ allowing a genocidal entity to sue in the ICC/ICJ would make the ICC/ICJ into a direct partner in the PLO/Palestine’s genocide against Israel. In short, the ICC/ICJ’s allowing the PLO/Palestine to sue Israel would make the ICC/ICJ itself into a genocidal entity.

2. PLO/Palestine’s assertion of international jurisdiction would allow for an Israeli counter-lawsuit for all of the thousands of the PLO’s genocidal terror attacks on civilians

The UNGA “Question of Palestine” Resolution explicitly claimed all of Palestine, including Gaza, is one juridical area. Hamas claims its interest in the PLO/Palestine State every bit as much as Fatah claims its interest in the PLO/Palestine State. Hamas and Fatah are only political parties of the PLO/Palestine State.

So, it’s like one part of the United States is controlled by the Republicans, and the other part of the US is controlled by the Democrats. It’s still one United States. So, if Hamas attacks Israel from one part of the PLO/Palestine, it’s still an attack from the single legal entity of the PLO/Palestine. And, it is the single legal entity of PLO/Palestine that can be held accountable for any and all Hamas or Fatah terrorist actions.

(For the full text of the actual November 29, 2012 UNGA “Question of Palestine” go to: www.marklangfan.com/plostateunresolutiontext.html)

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Rubbish. Israel does not recognise the jurisdiction of the ICC. You can not have your cake and eat it too.

[ggold]

Now that the Palestinians are members of the ICC, with it come duties as well, they have open themselves

for scrutinizes and accusation just like any other country, and the PA has a long, long history

of crimes against humanity of their own making that will put to shame any other leaving or dead tyrants...

The Palestinians should be careful for the are wishing for, it just might turn around and bite in the ass....

When you talk about crimes against humanity, my guess is that you refer to the fight of the Palestinians against their occupier/oppressor. As I mentioned multiple times before on this forum, it very much depends on from which political angle one views the Israel/Palestinian situation. My grandfather was in the resistance in the second world war. He was caught and was sent to Dachau because the Nazis found his actions to be terrorist actions. For me, my grandfather was a freedom fighter and a hero, but you might differ from my views of course.

The action of the Palestinians going to ICC to get justice on the war crimes and real crimes against humanity done by the Israeli, on many occasions, won’t bite them in the ass, because Israel is not a member of ICC and will therefore not be able to issue any form of counter claim. Its btw not surprising that Israel is not a member of the ICC, because Israel avoids any international authority, resolutions, mandates, agreements, etc., except for one of course: UN Resolution 181.

Many of the Israel friends here on TV are defending the fact that Israel has no respect for any international agreements what-so-ever (though these same TV members complain bitterly if Iran is fighting the security council resolution on enrichment ) My guess is, that in the long run this attitude will bite Israel in the ass....a start has been made with the ICC.

The action of the Palestinians going to ICC to get justice on the war crimes and real crimes against humanity done by the Israeli, on many occasions, won’t bite them in the ass, because Israel is not a member of ICC and will therefore not be able to issue any form of counter claim.

Total rubbish. Even in a court of law the defendant has a right to justice.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/12622#.VRzpNOH27Dc

Israel's Step-by-Step Legal Defense in the Hague

Israel’s argument is simple: PLO/Palestine is an explicit and overt genocidal entity, and the ICC/ICJ allowing a genocidal entity to sue in the ICC/ICJ would make the ICC/ICJ into a direct partner in the PLO/Palestine’s genocide against Israel. In short, the ICC/ICJ’s allowing the PLO/Palestine to sue Israel would make the ICC/ICJ itself into a genocidal entity.

2. PLO/Palestine’s assertion of international jurisdiction would allow for an Israeli counter-lawsuit for all of the thousands of the PLO’s genocidal terror attacks on civilians

The UNGA “Question of Palestine” Resolution explicitly claimed all of Palestine, including Gaza, is one juridical area. Hamas claims its interest in the PLO/Palestine State every bit as much as Fatah claims its interest in the PLO/Palestine State. Hamas and Fatah are only political parties of the PLO/Palestine State.

So, it’s like one part of the United States is controlled by the Republicans, and the other part of the US is controlled by the Democrats. It’s still one United States. So, if Hamas attacks Israel from one part of the PLO/Palestine, it’s still an attack from the single legal entity of the PLO/Palestine. And, it is the single legal entity of PLO/Palestine that can be held accountable for any and all Hamas or Fatah terrorist actions.

(For the full text of the actual November 29, 2012 UNGA “Question of Palestine” go to: www.marklangfan.com/plostateunresolutiontext.html)

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Thousants of PLO genocidal terror attackt?

You mean during the 2014 war where 2,139 Palestinians were murdered (of which some 500 children), the 20,000 destroyed homes of the Palestians, the 3700 rockets dropped on Gaza by the IDF, compared to the genocide of 58 Israeli soldiers and 6 Israeli civilians? And then we are not even talking about the chemical weapons Israel has used on on people who are locked up in a refugee camp!

As I said in my post, my grandfather was also deemed a terrorist in the eyes of the Nazis, because he fought (including bombings) the occupying force. He was my hero, but you can disagree of course. I only find it so ironic that (friends of) Israel is now labelling my grandfather a terrorist......

that is such nonsense. your are the one equating your grandfather with terrorists, no one else. Maybe you should try not to link that which has no relevance to the topic.

I do however realize your attempt to paint Israel as comparable to the Nazi's.

The Nazi's controlled most of Europe. Israel doesn't. So now having made that link you accuse your grandfather of being a terrorist just to try and make some point. very odd, don't you think

@RuamRudy,

Obviously you do not understand the meaning of genocide!

[ggold]

Now that the Palestinians are members of the ICC, with it come duties as well, they have open themselves

for scrutinizes and accusation just like any other country, and the PA has a long, long history

of crimes against humanity of their own making that will put to shame any other leaving or dead tyrants...

The Palestinians should be careful for the are wishing for, it just might turn around and bite in the ass....

When you talk about crimes against humanity, my guess is that you refer to the fight of the Palestinians against their occupier/oppressor. As I mentioned multiple times before on this forum, it very much depends on from which political angle one views the Israel/Palestinian situation. My grandfather was in the resistance in the second world war. He was caught and was sent to Dachau because the Nazis found his actions to be terrorist actions. For me, my grandfather was a freedom fighter and a hero, but you might differ from my views of course.

The action of the Palestinians going to ICC to get justice on the war crimes and real crimes against humanity done by the Israeli, on many occasions, won’t bite them in the ass, because Israel is not a member of ICC and will therefore not be able to issue any form of counter claim. Its btw not surprising that Israel is not a member of the ICC, because Israel avoids any international authority, resolutions, mandates, agreements, etc., except for one of course: UN Resolution 181.

Many of the Israel friends here on TV are defending the fact that Israel has no respect for any international agreements what-so-ever (though these same TV members complain bitterly if Iran is fighting the security council resolution on enrichment ) My guess is, that in the long run this attitude will bite Israel in the ass....a start has been made with the ICC.

The action of the Palestinians going to ICC to get justice on the war crimes and real crimes against humanity done by the Israeli, on many occasions, won’t bite them in the ass, because Israel is not a member of ICC and will therefore not be able to issue any form of counter claim.

Total rubbish. Even in a court of law the defendant has a right to justice.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/12622#.VRzpNOH27Dc

Israel's Step-by-Step Legal Defense in the Hague

Israel’s argument is simple: PLO/Palestine is an explicit and overt genocidal entity, and the ICC/ICJ allowing a genocidal entity to sue in the ICC/ICJ would make the ICC/ICJ into a direct partner in the PLO/Palestine’s genocide against Israel. In short, the ICC/ICJ’s allowing the PLO/Palestine to sue Israel would make the ICC/ICJ itself into a genocidal entity.

2. PLO/Palestine’s assertion of international jurisdiction would allow for an Israeli counter-lawsuit for all of the thousands of the PLO’s genocidal terror attacks on civilians

The UNGA “Question of Palestine” Resolution explicitly claimed all of Palestine, including Gaza, is one juridical area. Hamas claims its interest in the PLO/Palestine State every bit as much as Fatah claims its interest in the PLO/Palestine State. Hamas and Fatah are only political parties of the PLO/Palestine State.

So, it’s like one part of the United States is controlled by the Republicans, and the other part of the US is controlled by the Democrats. It’s still one United States. So, if Hamas attacks Israel from one part of the PLO/Palestine, it’s still an attack from the single legal entity of the PLO/Palestine. And, it is the single legal entity of PLO/Palestine that can be held accountable for any and all Hamas or Fatah terrorist actions.

(For the full text of the actual November 29, 2012 UNGA “Question of Palestine” go to: www.marklangfan.com/plostateunresolutiontext.html)

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Rubbish. Israel does not recognise the jurisdiction of the ICC. You can not have your cake and eat it too.

OK so you know better than any lawyer!

[DaddyWarbucks]

Rubbish. Israel does not recognise the jurisdiction of the ICC. You can not have your cake and eat it too.

OK so you know better than any lawyer!

The Palestinians have joined the ICC... why doesn't Israel?

[Seastallion]

When you talk about crimes against humanity, my guess is that you refer to the fight of the Palestinians against their occupier/oppressor. As I mentioned multiple times before on this forum, it very much depends on from which political angle one views the Israel/Palestinian situation. My grandfather was in the resistance in the second world war. He was caught and was sent to Dachau because the Nazis found his actions to be terrorist actions. For me, my grandfather was a freedom fighter and a hero, but you might differ from my views of course.

The action of the Palestinians going to ICC to get justice on the war crimes and real crimes against humanity done by the Israeli, on many occasions, won’t bite them in the ass, because Israel is not a member of ICC and will therefore not be able to issue any form of counter claim. Its btw not surprising that Israel is not a member of the ICC, because Israel avoids any international authority, resolutions, mandates, agreements, etc., except for one of course: UN Resolution 181.

Many of the Israel friends here on TV are defending the fact that Israel has no respect for any international agreements what-so-ever (though these same TV members complain bitterly if Iran is fighting the security council resolution on enrichment ) My guess is, that in the long run this attitude will bite Israel in the ass....a start has been made with the ICC.

The action of the Palestinians going to ICC to get justice on the war crimes and real crimes against humanity done by the Israeli, on many occasions, won’t bite them in the ass, because Israel is not a member of ICC and will therefore not be able to issue any form of counter claim.

Total rubbish. Even in a court of law the defendant has a right to justice.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/12622#.VRzpNOH27Dc

Israel's Step-by-Step Legal Defense in the Hague

Israel’s argument is simple: PLO/Palestine is an explicit and overt genocidal entity, and the ICC/ICJ allowing a genocidal entity to sue in the ICC/ICJ would make the ICC/ICJ into a direct partner in the PLO/Palestine’s genocide against Israel. In short, the ICC/ICJ’s allowing the PLO/Palestine to sue Israel would make the ICC/ICJ itself into a genocidal entity.

2. PLO/Palestine’s assertion of international jurisdiction would allow for an Israeli counter-lawsuit for all of the thousands of the PLO’s genocidal terror attacks on civilians

The UNGA “Question of Palestine” Resolution explicitly claimed all of Palestine, including Gaza, is one juridical area. Hamas claims its interest in the PLO/Palestine State every bit as much as Fatah claims its interest in the PLO/Palestine State. Hamas and Fatah are only political parties of the PLO/Palestine State.

So, it’s like one part of the United States is controlled by the Republicans, and the other part of the US is controlled by the Democrats. It’s still one United States. So, if Hamas attacks Israel from one part of the PLO/Palestine, it’s still an attack from the single legal entity of the PLO/Palestine. And, it is the single legal entity of PLO/Palestine that can be held accountable for any and all Hamas or Fatah terrorist actions.

(For the full text of the actual November 29, 2012 UNGA “Question of Palestine” go to: www.marklangfan.com/plostateunresolutiontext.html)

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Rubbish. Israel does not recognise the jurisdiction of the ICC. You can not have your cake and eat it too.

OK so you know better than any lawyer!

Another rubbish statement.

My opinion has nothing to do with knowledge of the law. Do you understand the idiom, "You can't have your cake and eat it too"?

[Jingthing]

Now that the Palestinians are members of the ICC, with it come duties as well, they have open themselves

for scrutinizes and accusation just like any other country, and the PA has a long, long history

of crimes against humanity of their own making that will put to shame any other leaving or dead tyrants...

The Palestinians should be careful for the are wishing for, it just might turn around and bite in the ass....

Indeed!

[RockyBeerbelly]

When you talk about crimes against humanity, my guess is that you refer to the fight of the Palestinians against their occupier/oppressor. As I mentioned multiple times before on this forum, it very much depends on from which political angle one views the Israel/Palestinian situation. My grandfather was in the resistance in the second world war. He was caught and was sent to Dachau because the Nazis found his actions to be terrorist actions. For me, my grandfather was a freedom fighter and a hero, but you might differ from my views of course.

The action of the Palestinians going to ICC to get justice on the war crimes and real crimes against humanity done by the Israeli, on many occasions, won’t bite them in the ass, because Israel is not a member of ICC and will therefore not be able to issue any form of counter claim. Its btw not surprising that Israel is not a member of the ICC, because Israel avoids any international authority, resolutions, mandates, agreements, etc., except for one of course: UN Resolution 181.

Many of the Israel friends here on TV are defending the fact that Israel has no respect for any international agreements what-so-ever (though these same TV members complain bitterly if Iran is fighting the security council resolution on enrichment ) My guess is, that in the long run this attitude will bite Israel in the ass....a start has been made with the ICC.

The action of the Palestinians going to ICC to get justice on the war crimes and real crimes against humanity done by the Israeli, on many occasions, won’t bite them in the ass, because Israel is not a member of ICC and will therefore not be able to issue any form of counter claim.

Total rubbish. Even in a court of law the defendant has a right to justice.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/12622#.VRzpNOH27Dc

Israel's Step-by-Step Legal Defense in the Hague

Israel’s argument is simple: PLO/Palestine is an explicit and overt genocidal entity, and the ICC/ICJ allowing a genocidal entity to sue in the ICC/ICJ would make the ICC/ICJ into a direct partner in the PLO/Palestine’s genocide against Israel. In short, the ICC/ICJ’s allowing the PLO/Palestine to sue Israel would make the ICC/ICJ itself into a genocidal entity.

2. PLO/Palestine’s assertion of international jurisdiction would allow for an Israeli counter-lawsuit for all of the thousands of the PLO’s genocidal terror attacks on civilians

The UNGA “Question of Palestine” Resolution explicitly claimed all of Palestine, including Gaza, is one juridical area. Hamas claims its interest in the PLO/Palestine State every bit as much as Fatah claims its interest in the PLO/Palestine State. Hamas and Fatah are only political parties of the PLO/Palestine State.

So, it’s like one part of the United States is controlled by the Republicans, and the other part of the US is controlled by the Democrats. It’s still one United States. So, if Hamas attacks Israel from one part of the PLO/Palestine, it’s still an attack from the single legal entity of the PLO/Palestine. And, it is the single legal entity of PLO/Palestine that can be held accountable for any and all Hamas or Fatah terrorist actions.

(For the full text of the actual November 29, 2012 UNGA “Question of Palestine” go to: www.marklangfan.com/plostateunresolutiontext.html)

copied under fair use.

Thousants of PLO genocidal terror attackt?

You mean during the 2014 war where 2,139 Palestinians were murdered (of which some 500 children), the 20,000 destroyed homes of the Palestians, the 3700 rockets dropped on Gaza by the IDF, compared to the genocide of 58 Israeli soldiers and 6 Israeli civilians? And then we are not even talking about the chemical weapons Israel has used on on people who are locked up in a refugee camp!

As I said in my post, my grandfather was also deemed a terrorist in the eyes of the Nazis, because he fought (including bombings) the occupying force. He was my hero, but you can disagree of course. I only find it so ironic that (friends of) Israel is now labelling my grandfather a terrorist......

that is such nonsense. your are the one equating your grandfather with terrorists, no one else. Maybe you should try not to link that which has no relevance to the topic.

I do however realize your attempt to paint Israel as comparable to the Nazi's.

The Nazi's controlled most of Europe. Israel doesn't. So now having made that link you accuse your grandfather of being a terrorist just to try and make some point. very odd, don't you think

@RuamRudy,

Obviously you do not understand the meaning of genocide!

Its cheap and wrong that you accuse me that I make my grandfather a terrorist, or that I use him spending time in Dachau to make a point, because actually its your post that is equating my grandfather with terrorism, by saying that Palestinian resistance commits genocidal terror attacks. I understand that you might not like the comparison between the resistance in WW2 Europe and resistance in Gaza, but both are resistance against an occupying power, an occupying power which were/are committing genocidal atrocities to people who are locked up in “refugee/work camps”.

By saying this I don’t say Israeli are Nazis (though I do think the Likud has a fascist ideology), I merely state that there is an enormous double standard here. For me any freedom fighter is the same, my grandfather, a Palestinian, but I also support (strongly) Syrian and Iraqi citizens (and yes even Iranian militias) that stand up and fight the occupying idiots of ISIS. By your standard these Syrian and Iraqi freedom fighters should be labelled terrorists too of course (although I am sure in this case you’ll say that ISIS are the terrorist, because they dont fit in your political ideas…see the double standard?.....probably not,....a lot of people are blinded by Israeli indoctrination).

Don’t get me wrong, I would be the last to support any idiot who steps into a bus in Tel Aviv with a “life jacket” on to kill a busload of Israeli citizens. But I couldn’t care less about these 58 IDF soldiers who have the blood of 500 children on their hands. Again you and I can have different standards of course…..

[Seastallion]

Now that the Palestinians are members of the ICC, with it come duties as well, they have open themselves

for scrutinizes and accusation just like any other country, and the PA has a long, long history

of crimes against humanity of their own making that will put to shame any other leaving or dead tyrants...

The Palestinians should be careful for the are wishing for, it just might turn around and bite in the ass....

Indeed!

It would be decent of you to cite the source of this plainly made-for-propaganda video.

Nonetheless, if I was a freedom fighter, I'd be teaching my kids how to shoot the enemy too.

[RuamRudy]

that is such nonsense. your are the one equating your grandfather with terrorists, no one else. Maybe you should try not to link that which has no relevance to the topic.

I do however realize your attempt to paint Israel as comparable to the Nazi's.

The Nazi's controlled most of Europe. Israel doesn't. So now having made that link you accuse your grandfather of being a terrorist just to try and make some point. very odd, don't you think

@RuamRudy,

Obviously you do not understand the meaning of genocide!

Here is the Wiktionary definition:

genocide (countable and uncountable, plural genocides)

1. The systematic killing of substantial numbers of people on the basis of their ethnicity, religion, political beliefs, social status, or other particularities

Personally, I haven't been keeping a body count but I suspect that the IDF has considerably more innocent blood on it's hands than Hamas. However all life is equal, and every Hamas murder should be condemned. If, however, you insist that Hamas is guilty of genocide, by definition the Israeli government is also guilty.

Interestingly, I did a Google search for the following: "are the palestinians committing genocide" and was unable to find a single result that even explored that possibility. There were lots suggesting that genocide was being inflicted upon the Palestinians, but nothing to suggest that your assertion is anything other than a delusion.

[ggold]

The action of the Palestinians going to ICC to get justice on the war crimes and real crimes against humanity done by the Israeli, on many occasions, won’t bite them in the ass, because Israel is not a member of ICC and will therefore not be able to issue any form of counter claim.

Total rubbish. Even in a court of law the defendant has a right to justice.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/12622#.VRzpNOH27Dc

Israel's Step-by-Step Legal Defense in the Hague

Israel’s argument is simple: PLO/Palestine is an explicit and overt genocidal entity, and the ICC/ICJ allowing a genocidal entity to sue in the ICC/ICJ would make the ICC/ICJ into a direct partner in the PLO/Palestine’s genocide against Israel. In short, the ICC/ICJ’s allowing the PLO/Palestine to sue Israel would make the ICC/ICJ itself into a genocidal entity.

2. PLO/Palestine’s assertion of international jurisdiction would allow for an Israeli counter-lawsuit for all of the thousands of the PLO’s genocidal terror attacks on civilians

The UNGA “Question of Palestine” Resolution explicitly claimed all of Palestine, including Gaza, is one juridical area. Hamas claims its interest in the PLO/Palestine State every bit as much as Fatah claims its interest in the PLO/Palestine State. Hamas and Fatah are only political parties of the PLO/Palestine State.

So, it’s like one part of the United States is controlled by the Republicans, and the other part of the US is controlled by the Democrats. It’s still one United States. So, if Hamas attacks Israel from one part of the PLO/Palestine, it’s still an attack from the single legal entity of the PLO/Palestine. And, it is the single legal entity of PLO/Palestine that can be held accountable for any and all Hamas or Fatah terrorist actions.

(For the full text of the actual November 29, 2012 UNGA “Question of Palestine” go to: www.marklangfan.com/plostateunresolutiontext.html)

copied under fair use.

Rubbish. Israel does not recognise the jurisdiction of the ICC. You can not have your cake and eat it too.

OK so you know better than any lawyer!

Another rubbish statement.

My opinion has nothing to do with knowledge of the law. Do you understand the idiom, "You can't have your cake and eat it too"?

"You can't have your cake and eat it too"?

Something the Palestinians have been doing for ages! they fire rockets at Israeli citizens and then go to the ICC claiming they are innocent victims. Just because Israel doesn't recognize the ICC doesn't mean they cannot defend themselves.

That you don't like the truth shows your bias. Even in International law Israel has the right to defend itself in the ICC, by your argument because Israel doesn't recognize the ICC it could also be claimed the ICC have no Jurisdiction over Israel. Either way it is still far from certain the ICC will take forward any cases the Arabs bring against Israel.

And with Amnesty International having already said Hamas are guilty of war crimes against Israel, It really isn't looking so good for the Arabs.

[Jingthing]

On the question of so called Israeli "genocide" or "war crimes" --

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EzP61Aw1Zo

Edited April 2, 2015 by Jingthing

[ggold]

that is such nonsense. your are the one equating your grandfather with terrorists, no one else. Maybe you should try not to link that which has no relevance to the topic.

I do however realize your attempt to paint Israel as comparable to the Nazi's.

The Nazi's controlled most of Europe. Israel doesn't. So now having made that link you accuse your grandfather of being a terrorist just to try and make some point. very odd, don't you think

@RuamRudy,

Obviously you do not understand the meaning of genocide!

Here is the Wiktionary definition:

genocide (countable and uncountable, plural genocides)

1. The systematic killing of substantial numbers of people on the basis of their ethnicity, religion, political beliefs, social status, or other particularities

Personally, I haven't been keeping a body count but I suspect that the IDF has considerably more innocent blood on it's hands than Hamas. However all life is equal, and every Hamas murder should be condemned. If, however, you insist that Hamas is guilty of genocide, by definition the Israeli government is also guilty.

Interestingly, I did a Google search for the following: "are the palestinians committing genocide" and was unable to find a single result that even explored that possibility. There were lots suggesting that genocide was being inflicted upon the Palestinians, but nothing to suggest that your assertion is anything other than a delusion.

Again you do not understand the meaning of the word even after having posted its meaning! The delusion is with you and those that like to use the word to demean Israel with.

Presumably if Israel were practicing genocide ther would be no Arabs or Christians in Israel having been systematically killed off. But that is far from the truth, there is more freedom to practice your faith in Israel then in any part of the ME.

[RockyBeerbelly]

that is such nonsense. your are the one equating your grandfather with terrorists, no one else. Maybe you should try not to link that which has no relevance to the topic.

I do however realize your attempt to paint Israel as comparable to the Nazi's.

The Nazi's controlled most of Europe. Israel doesn't. So now having made that link you accuse your grandfather of being a terrorist just to try and make some point. very odd, don't you think

@RuamRudy,

Obviously you do not understand the meaning of genocide!

Here is the Wiktionary definition:

genocide (countable and uncountable, plural genocides)

1. The systematic killing of substantial numbers of people on the basis of their ethnicity, religion, political beliefs, social status, or other particularities

Personally, I haven't been keeping a body count but I suspect that the IDF has considerably more innocent blood on it's hands than Hamas. However all life is equal, and every Hamas murder should be condemned. If, however, you insist that Hamas is guilty of genocide, by definition the Israeli government is also guilty.

Interestingly, I did a Google search for the following: "are the palestinians committing genocide" and was unable to find a single result that even explored that possibility. There were lots suggesting that genocide was being inflicted upon the Palestinians, but nothing to suggest that your assertion is anything other than a delusion.

Again you do not understand the meaning of the word even after having posted its meaning! The delusion is with you and those that like to use the word to demean Israel with.

Presumably if Israel were practicing genocide ther would be no Arabs or Christians in Israel having been systematically killed off. But that is far from the truth, there is more freedom to practice your faith in Israel then in any part of the ME.

Well it seems that you dont reallt understand the meaning either than...These were your words:

"Israel’s argument is simple: PLO/Palestine is an explicit and overt genocidal entity, and the ICC/ICJ allowing a genocidal entity to sue in the ICC/ICJ would make the ICC/ICJ into a direct partner in the PLO/Palestine’s genocide against Israel. In short, the ICC/ICJ’s allowing the PLO/Palestine to sue Israel would make the ICC/ICJ itself into a genocidal entity.

2. PLO/Palestine’s assertion of international jurisdiction would allow for an Israeli counter-lawsuit for all of the thousands of the PLO’s genocidal terror attacks on civilians"

So you according to your defenition of genocide, there should be no more Israelis? Or are you only using the word genocide to demean Palestinians., you did manage to accuse the Paelsitians of genecide 6 times in 2 sentences.

[ggold]

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/casualtiestotal.html

here is a list of total casualties of the Arab Israel conflict since 1948, thought the list starts from 1920.

On the topic of Genocide! It is an odd genocide that takes 67 years to kill 91,105 Arabs since 1920. And there only another six million or so Arabs still to go.

To think it took Hitler 5 years to kill millions in concentration camps!

I hope this helps the less informed decide what exactly Genocide is?

[RuamRudy]

Again you do not understand the meaning of the word even after having posted its meaning! The delusion is with you and those that like to use the word to demean Israel with.

Presumably if Israel were practicing genocide ther would be no Arabs or Christians in Israel having been systematically killed off. But that is far from the truth, there is more freedom to practice your faith in Israel then in any part of the ME.

Have you been on the SangSom?

The first mention of genocide in this thread was by you, claiming that the "PLO/Palestine is an explicit and overt genocidal entity". However, with Arafat officially recognising Israel in 1993 in a letter to Yitzakh Rabin (you know, that Israeli peacemaker who was assassinated by his bloodthrirsty countrymen who don't want peace), the PLO cannot be claimed to have genocidal intent. Of course, they started life as a terrorist organisation, but that never stopped Likud either, who founding fathers were not averse to planting bombs in hotels. Thankfully, however, at least one of these organisations seems finally to be committed to peace.

But going back to your rather tortured point - let me get this right: the Palestinians are committing genocide on the Israelis because they fire a few ineffective rockets across the barricades, but the Israelis are the wholly innocent party despite the absolute devastation they wreak on innocent civilians without a second's thought? I stick to my earlier assertion - you are deluded.

[ggold]

that is such nonsense. your are the one equating your grandfather with terrorists, no one else. Maybe you should try not to link that which has no relevance to the topic.

I do however realize your attempt to paint Israel as comparable to the Nazi's.

The Nazi's controlled most of Europe. Israel doesn't. So now having made that link you accuse your grandfather of being a terrorist just to try and make some point. very odd, don't you think

@RuamRudy,

Obviously you do not understand the meaning of genocide!

Here is the Wiktionary definition:

genocide (countable and uncountable, plural genocides)

1. The systematic killing of substantial numbers of people on the basis of their ethnicity, religion, political beliefs, social status, or other particularities

Personally, I haven't been keeping a body count but I suspect that the IDF has considerably more innocent blood on it's hands than Hamas. However all life is equal, and every Hamas murder should be condemned. If, however, you insist that Hamas is guilty of genocide, by definition the Israeli government is also guilty.

Interestingly, I did a Google search for the following: "are the palestinians committing genocide" and was unable to find a single result that even explored that possibility. There were lots suggesting that genocide was being inflicted upon the Palestinians, but nothing to suggest that your assertion is anything other than a delusion.

Again you do not understand the meaning of the word even after having posted its meaning! The delusion is with you and those that like to use the word to demean Israel with.

Presumably if Israel were practicing genocide ther would be no Arabs or Christians in Israel having been systematically killed off. But that is far from the truth, there is more freedom to practice your faith in Israel then in any part of the ME.

Well it seems that you dont reallt understand the meaning either than...These were your words:

"Israel’s argument is simple: PLO/Palestine is an explicit and overt genocidal entity, and the ICC/ICJ allowing a genocidal entity to sue in the ICC/ICJ would make the ICC/ICJ into a direct partner in the PLO/Palestine’s genocide against Israel. In short, the ICC/ICJ’s allowing the PLO/Palestine to sue Israel would make the ICC/ICJ itself into a genocidal entity.

2. PLO/Palestine’s assertion of international jurisdiction would allow for an Israeli counter-lawsuit for all of the thousands of the PLO’s genocidal terror attacks on civilians"

So you according to your defenition of genocide, there should be no more Israelis? Or are you only using the word genocide to demean Palestinians., you did manage to accuse the Paelsitians of genecide 6 times in 2 sentences.

These were not my words, so please don't presume to tell me what I said. Those words are from the link I posted on this topic. Which puts forward Israel's view of how to defend itself with the ICC. But I do agree with them.

Palestinians don't attack military sights they attack civilians with thousands of rockets.

http://palestine.trendolizer.com/2015/04/fatah-to-jews-take-your-dead-and-get-out.html

The Fatah terror group in its Facebook page Wednesday called on Jews to leave Israel, and “take their dead with them.”

who is more Genocidal?

[ggold]

Again you do not understand the meaning of the word even after having posted its meaning! The delusion is with you and those that like to use the word to demean Israel with.

Presumably if Israel were practicing genocide ther would be no Arabs or Christians in Israel having been systematically killed off. But that is far from the truth, there is more freedom to practice your faith in Israel then in any part of the ME.

Have you been on the SangSom?

The first mention of genocide in this thread was by you, claiming that the "PLO/Palestine is an explicit and overt genocidal entity". However, with Arafat officially recognising Israel in 1993 in a letter to Yitzakh Rabin (you know, that Israeli peacemaker who was assassinated by his bloodthrirsty countrymen who don't want peace), the PLO cannot be claimed to have genocidal intent. Of course, they started life as a terrorist organisation, but that never stopped Likud either, who founding fathers were not averse to planting bombs in hotels. Thankfully, however, at least one of these organisations seems finally to be committed to peace.

But going back to your rather tortured point - let me get this right: the Palestinians are committing genocide on the Israelis because they fire a few ineffective rockets across the barricades, but the Israelis are the wholly innocent party despite the absolute devastation they wreak on innocent civilians without a second's thought? I stick to my earlier assertion - you are deluded.

[ggold]

The action of the Palestinians going to ICC to get justice on the war crimes and real crimes against humanity done by the Israeli, on many occasions, won’t bite them in the ass, because Israel is not a member of ICC and will therefore not be able to issue any form of counter claim.

Total rubbish. Even in a court of law the defendant has a right to justice.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/12622#.VRzpNOH27Dc

Israel's Step-by-Step Legal Defense in the Hague

Israel’s argument is simple: PLO/Palestine is an explicit and overt genocidal entity, and the ICC/ICJ allowing a genocidal entity to sue in the ICC/ICJ would make the ICC/ICJ into a direct partner in the PLO/Palestine’s genocide against Israel. In short, the ICC/ICJ’s allowing the PLO/Palestine to sue Israel would make the ICC/ICJ itself into a genocidal entity.

2. PLO/Palestine’s assertion of international jurisdiction would allow for an Israeli counter-lawsuit for all of the thousands of the PLO’s genocidal terror attacks on civilians

The UNGA “Question of Palestine” Resolution explicitly claimed all of Palestine, including Gaza, is one juridical area. Hamas claims its interest in the PLO/Palestine State every bit as much as Fatah claims its interest in the PLO/Palestine State. Hamas and Fatah are only political parties of the PLO/Palestine State.

So, it’s like one part of the United States is controlled by the Republicans, and the other part of the US is controlled by the Democrats. It’s still one United States. So, if Hamas attacks Israel from one part of the PLO/Palestine, it’s still an attack from the single legal entity of the PLO/Palestine. And, it is the single legal entity of PLO/Palestine that can be held accountable for any and all Hamas or Fatah terrorist actions.

(For the full text of the actual November 29, 2012 UNGA “Question of Palestine” go to: www.marklangfan.com/plostateunresolutiontext.html)

copied under fair use.

Thousants of PLO genocidal terror attackt?

You mean during the 2014 war where 2,139 Palestinians were murdered (of which some 500 children), the 20,000 destroyed homes of the Palestians, the 3700 rockets dropped on Gaza by the IDF, compared to the genocide of 58 Israeli soldiers and 6 Israeli civilians? And then we are not even talking about the chemical weapons Israel has used on on people who are locked up in a refugee camp!

As I said in my post, my grandfather was also deemed a terrorist in the eyes of the Nazis, because he fought (including bombings) the occupying force. He was my hero, but you can disagree of course. I only find it so ironic that (friends of) Israel is now labelling my grandfather a terrorist......

that is such nonsense. your are the one equating your grandfather with terrorists, no one else. Maybe you should try not to link that which has no relevance to the topic.

I do however realize your attempt to paint Israel as comparable to the Nazi's.

The Nazi's controlled most of Europe. Israel doesn't. So now having made that link you accuse your grandfather of being a terrorist just to try and make some point. very odd, don't you think

@RuamRudy,

Obviously you do not understand the meaning of genocide!

Its cheap and wrong that you accuse me that I make my grandfather a terrorist, or that I use him spending time in Dachau to make a point, because actually its your post that is equating my grandfather with terrorism, by saying that Palestinian resistance commits genocidal terror attacks. I understand that you might not like the comparison between the resistance in WW2 Europe and resistance in Gaza, but both are resistance against an occupying power, an occupying power which were/are committing genocidal atrocities to people who are locked up in “refugee/work camps”.

By saying this I don’t say Israeli are Nazis (though I do think the Likud has a fascist ideology), I merely state that there is an enormous double standard here. For me any freedom fighter is the same, my grandfather, a Palestinian, but I also support (strongly) Syrian and Iraqi citizens (and yes even Iranian militias) that stand up and fight the occupying idiots of ISIS. By your standard these Syrian and Iraqi freedom fighters should be labelled terrorists too of course (although I am sure in this case you’ll say that ISIS are the terrorist, because they dont fit in your political ideas…see the double standard?.....probably not,....a lot of people are blinded by Israeli indoctrination).

Don’t get me wrong, I would be the last to support any idiot who steps into a bus in Tel Aviv with a “life jacket” on to kill a busload of Israeli citizens. But I couldn’t care less about these 58 IDF soldiers who have the blood of 500 children on their hands. Again you and I can have different standards of course…..

you made the equation not me. You are just digging yourself into a deeper hole. How you can compare the two. My mother survived Auschwitz and Belsen. I think I know what genocide is. Funny as most of the refugee camps are in Arab countries. I would be interested to know where in Israel there are work camps of concentration camps for that matter.

By your standard that would make ISIS/ISIL, Houthi's, Boko Haram etc all freedom fighters, Ah but what of Hezbolah! they are backed by Iran but are fighting the freedom fighters in Syria, But advise the Houthi's in the Yemen so are they Terrorists or freedom fighters?

[Scott]

This topic is about Palestinians joining the International Court. I suggest you get back to that topic and stay on it.

There is a lot of off-topic remarks.

[Seastallion]

Rubbish. Israel does not recognise the jurisdiction of the ICC. You can not have your cake and eat it too.

OK so you know better than any lawyer!

Another rubbish statement.

My opinion has nothing to do with knowledge of the law. Do you understand the idiom, "You can't have your cake and eat it too"?

"You can't have your cake and eat it too"?

Something the Palestinians have been doing for ages! they fire rockets at Israeli citizens and then go to the ICC claiming they are innocent victims. Just because Israel doesn't recognize the ICC doesn't mean they cannot defend themselves.

That you don't like the truth shows your bias. Even in International law Israel has the right to defend itself in the ICC, by your argument because Israel doesn't recognize the ICC it could also be claimed the ICC have no Jurisdiction over Israel. Either way it is still far from certain the ICC will take forward any cases the Arabs bring against Israel.

And with Amnesty International having already said Hamas are guilty of war crimes against Israel, It really isn't looking so good for the Arabs.

Oh dear. I'll have to spell it out for you in very simple terms.

Nobody has said Israel is not allowed to defend itself.

But if Israel does not accept judgments against it, then it can hardly lay legal complaints. Have cake, eat it. Please try to research terms that you plainly do not understand, I'm not going to help you every time.

Who said Palestinians are claiming they are innocent victims? That's your distortion and fiction.

Although, I'm sure most people will agree that the 500 children killed by Israel certainly were innocent victims.

[Srikcir]

However beneficial or not that it is to the PA, its membership in the ICC as opposed to the lack of Israel's membership further strengthens the concept of a two-state situation between Palestine and Israel. You'd think the Nethanyu would be thrilled with such an action by the PA as he often insists he really supports a two-state solution. But Israel will remain outside the ICC and insist the Palestine "state" has no standing.

The ICC nonmember US is in a position to move ICC and the UN towards more proactive decisions supporting a two-state solution since Nethanyu also denounces the two-state solution. The US can and should now allow evenhanded criticisms of the PA and Israel in UN settings. Israel needs some hard love to change its political behavior that is already demanded by 50% of its electorate.

The US needs to put Israel ACROSS the other side of the negotiating table opposing the PA instead of Israel sitting behind the US whispering sweet nothings. Obama has a propensity for using political strategies that break with traditional positions to change political directions as he did with Russia, Cuba, Iraq, Iran, etc. The remainder of Obama's term may yield more strategies on achieving a two-state solution if the ISIL and Syria conflicts are largely moderated.