Seven million rai of Sor Por Kor land to be reclaimed from landlords

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Seven million rai of Sor Por Kor land to be reclaimed from landlords



BANGKOK: -- About 20 percent of 35 million rai of Sor Por Kor (Land Reform for Agriculture) land or seven million rai are now owned by big landlords, said Mr Sansern Atjudmanas, secretary-general of the Land Reform for Agriculture Office, today.

He added that in Chachoengsao province alone, one landlord owns up to 100,000 rai of the Sor Por Kor land

He disclosed that the military recently told him that they or the National Council for Peace and Order wanted these huge plots of land to be reclaimed and reallocated to the landless poor farmers.

These landlords will be invited to meet with him and the military to be told of the wish of the military to reclaim the land for redistribution to the poor, said Mr Sansern, adding that his office would also sue some of the landlords in the courts to reclaim the Sor Por Kor land.

He said that encroachment of Sor Por Kor land was widespread in Pak Chong and Wang Nam Khiew districts of Nakhon Ratchasima, Chiang Mai, Kanchanaburi, Kamphaeng Phet, Uthai Thani, Chiang Rai, Chanthaburi and some southern provinces.

(Photo : Thai PBS File)

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/seven-million-rai-of-sor-por-kor-land-to-be-reclaimed-from-landlords


-- Thai PBS 2015-04-07

[worgeordie]

They wont let a Farang buy a small plot of land to build a home for

his family, because they would leave no land for the poor,this report

proves its not Farangs they need to worry about but rich ,influential Thais

who grab all the land.

regards worgeordie

[Costas2008]

And the good deeds and decisions are pouring in every day.

Does any of the TVF members listen to what is happening or the needle has stuck on.......we want democracy, we want democracy......................

Wake up, fellow members, democracy will come when this country is ready to accept it.

For the moment is a lot to be done and this government is dealing with it and delivering.

[LuckyLew]

Seem encroachment is a favorite passtime in Thailand, a new story everday

[greenchair]

I was about to say the government now has my respect for going after all the land grabbers big and small.

Until it said only some of them will be going to court. The rest will have a quiet chat and discreetly hand back all those millions of rai of land.

Unlike the bonanza crew that will go to court for 103 rai.

[seajae]

talking is fine but its the actions we need before we can say well done. Lets see these corrupt owners have all their assets seized, compensation in the millions taken from it and then thrown in jail, until then it is simply spin

Edited April 7, 2015 by seajae

[JAG]

It's simply spin!

[JohnnyJazz]

I don't get it. I thought the army was on the side of the rich elite against the poor illiterate farmers. I thought the problem was that Yingluck was wasting the money of the rich tax payers to buy the vote of the rural poors. Now it seems the army wants to take the lands from the rich to give to the poors. What's going on? What did I miss ?

[dcutman]

Just curious as to how much of this 7 million rai was rice farm. Surely much of it was and the rich land owners made a lot of money during the rice pledging scheme.

35+ million tons of grain was bought by the PTP govt for 700 billion from 1.7 million farmers, how many poor farmer actually benefited from this scam scheme?

Edited April 7, 2015 by dcutman

[JOC]

talking is fine but its the actions we need before we can say well done. Lets see these corrupt owners have all their assets seized, compensation in the millions taken from it and then thrown in jail, until then it is simply spin

You are just forgetting, that without the original holders of this land illegally selling the land, no crime would ever have been committed.

The present owners actually paid money (peanuts) for the land, they didn't steal it!!

So the guys who should be headed for jail here, are those who sold the Kings land.

And now they are going to repeat it all over again, giving land to landless farmers(!!) and in 10 years time it will all belong to big landlords again. Only this time they will be wearing yellow shirts!!

For sure it is no coincidence that the crackdowns are only taking place in the North and North East, while Mr Suthep & Co are left alone!!

[fitzcaraldo]

and these poor farmers what will they do , some rice they cannot sale or some hevea at a ridiculous price ??

good planing

[Fat Haggis]

We don't do populist policies !!

Write off farmere debts

Hand out free land

Yeah how very charitable the Junta are, and the land given to the poor will be owned by the poor Outright or belongs to the big green?

It amazes me just how there is a section of farangs here who are like fish to bait and swallow this hook line and sinker without looking outside their tunnel vision

Amazing Thailand? amazing farangs more like.

Edited April 7, 2015 by Fat Haggis

[rametindallas]

This government is every day proving that politicians in Thailand are nothing but thieves as they have turned a blind eye to this activity for decades. Previous military governments have also been self-serving and enriched themselves. Could it be that we have a true patriot as PM now? I am very optimistic now as I will have plenty of time to be pessimistic later if this is just talk. Shaking up the 'elite' by gently inviting them to do the right thing and return the land (their punishment is a hit in the bank account for the money they illegally paid to acquire this land) is the right way to go as the PM is already making plenty of enemies among the 'elite' by his attempt to end their business monopolies. It may, as some posters are saying, be just talk, but it is the kind of talk I've been wanting to hear. I wish him well. If they were to actually give this land to the farmers outright, those farmers could then legally sell to the very same rich 'elites' and it could never be reclaimed for the next batch of, the ever present, poor farmers. Those farmers who are getting this type of land will have every right on the land except the right to sell it. Why should they be gifted the land that they will just sell if they can? There should be a stiff penalty for any farmer who illegally sells this type of land. True farmers will appreciate the fact they don't have to pay landlords ever rising rents that rob from their profit margin.

[seajae]

talking is fine but its the actions we need before we can say well done. Lets see these corrupt owners have all their assets seized, compensation in the millions taken from it and then thrown in jail, until then it is simply spin

You are just forgetting, that without the original holders of this land illegally selling the land, no crime would ever have been committed.

The present owners actually paid money (peanuts) for the land, they didn't steal it!!

So the guys who should be headed for jail here, are those who sold the Kings land.

And now they are going to repeat it all over again, giving land to landless farmers(!!) and in 10 years time it will all belong to big landlords again. Only this time they will be wearing yellow shirts!!

For sure it is no coincidence that the crackdowns are only taking place in the North and North East, while Mr Suthep & Co are left alone!!

cant help yourself can you, I suggest you try reading the op again as it says north and south but that would take away all your ammo hey, you really are getting pathetic these days with your innuendo and red garbage plus now you are no longer able to understand basic english, maybe I should feel sorry for you. You do realize that they have been saying for a while now that all the land given out will still belong to the govt & will not be able to be sold dont you or did you forget that too in your rush to run down those yellows or actually its anyone that isnt a red going by what you say.

[JOC]

talking is fine but its the actions we need before we can say well done. Lets see these corrupt owners have all their assets seized, compensation in the millions taken from it and then thrown in jail, until then it is simply spin

You are just forgetting, that without the original holders of this land illegally selling the land, no crime would ever have been committed.

The present owners actually paid money (peanuts) for the land, they didn't steal it!!

So the guys who should be headed for jail here, are those who sold the Kings land.

And now they are going to repeat it all over again, giving land to landless farmers(!!) and in 10 years time it will all belong to big landlords again. Only this time they will be wearing yellow shirts!!

For sure it is no coincidence that the crackdowns are only taking place in the North and North East, while Mr Suthep & Co are left alone!!

cant help yourself can you, I suggest you try reading the op again as it says north and south but that would take away all your ammo hey, you really are getting pathetic these days with your innuendo and red garbage plus now you are no longer able to understand basic english, maybe I should feel sorry for you. You do realize that they have been saying for a while now that all the land given out will still belong to the govt & will not be able to be sold dont you or did you forget that too in your rush to run down those yellows or actually its anyone that isnt a red going by what you say.

Relax man!!

Next time try to reply to my post instead of attacking me..........

You do realize that they have been saying for a while now that all the land given out will still belong to the govt & will not be able to be sold

Which is exactly the way it has been the whole time, which hasn't stopped the land from being sold/transferred!!

[elgordo38]

And the good deeds and decisions are pouring in every day.

Does any of the TVF members listen to what is happening or the needle has stuck on.......we want democracy, we want democracy......................

Wake up, fellow members, democracy will come when this country is ready to accept it.

For the moment is a lot to be done and this government is dealing with it and delivering.

Costas dear fellow this is only headline publicity for those near and dear to your heart the ruling government. This is the last we will ever hear on this subject.

[Thai at Heart]

And the good deeds and decisions are pouring in every day.

Does any of the TVF members listen to what is happening or the needle has stuck on.......we want democracy, we want democracy......................

Wake up, fellow members, democracy will come when this country is ready to accept it.

For the moment is a lot to be done and this government is dealing with it and delivering.

Who and how to decide when Thailand is ready for it?

Its a bit like having babies. No one is ever 100% ready for it. you just have to do it.....

Edited April 7, 2015 by Thai at Heart

[Thai at Heart]

Hooray.

Lets expropriate land that people paid for. This policy will go the way of the lottery and inheritance tax. Filed away for future reference....

[Andrew65]

They wont let a Farang buy a small plot of land to build a home for

his family, because they would leave no land for the poor,this report

proves its not Farangs they need to worry about but rich ,influential Thais

who grab all the land.

regards worgeordie

Agreed, I believe that in Malaysia, that a falang is allowed to buy property, on condition that the value is more than USD100,000. (something along these lines).

One thing that gets me is that, broadly-speaking, Thai people (or any other foreign national) can buy-up half of London if they want to!

[issanaus]

My MIL holds 50 rai under this premise occupancy for farming so I did take the time to look in to history and politics of the Sor Kor Por schemes a couple of years ago.

The PM has shown that his performance when acting proactively is far better than when the situation is reactive. Given that the land has already been identified I suspect that this is in the proactive basket of decisions and policies. I believe that the proposed actions will bring happiness to some people but its contribution to reconciliation is open to question.

Revisiting the scheme in the political debate could damage the Democrats /supporters through the original scheme, its reintroduction, allocation of land and any subsequent acquisition. Equally it could be damaging to the PTP / supporters especially in the context of the acquisition of land through loan sharking and the impact of the rice scheme on the poorest of the poor. Some of these issues are related to the Government writing off bad loans to farmers.

[halloween]

I was about to say the government now has my respect for going after all the land grabbers big and small.

Until it said only some of them will be going to court. The rest will have a quiet chat and discreetly hand back all those millions of rai of land.

Unlike the bonanza crew that will go to court for 103 rai.

If they hand it back, why take them to court?

If they refuse to hand it back, would not the courts be the correct procedure to reclaim the land?

Bonanza are claiming that they own the land legitimately. Hence court. And it has absolutely nothing to do with the Sor Por Kor land in this topic, it is forest encroachment.

Edited April 7, 2015 by halloween

[issanaus]

I was about to say the government now has my respect for going after all the land grabbers big and small.

Until it said only some of them will be going to court. The rest will have a quiet chat and discreetly hand back all those millions of rai of land.

Unlike the bonanza crew that will go to court for 103 rai.

If they hand it back, why take them to court?

If they refuse to hand it back, would not the courts be the correct procedure to reclaim the land?

Bonanza are claiming that they own the land legitimately. Hence court. And it has absolutely nothing to do with the Sor Por Kor land in this topic, it is forest encroachment.

I wonder if the "10 officials" that were claimed to be the major cause of the land issues in a recent thread are connected with this?

The way that the land was acquired and the way in which the land has been used differs - thus some case will go to court and some will not. While it would be nice to see all cases go to court the implications for the justice system would render this impracticable both logistically and in proving criminal conduct.

You are correct to differentiate between the Sor Kor Por land issues and Bonanza. Sor Kor Por land was already degraded and was provided for landless farmers to use for agriculture. Bonanza land was not degraded until they used it for non agricultural purposes. Very different

[phil2]

talking is fine but its the actions we need before we can say well done. Lets see these corrupt owners have all their assets seized, compensation in the millions taken from it and then thrown in jail, until then it is simply spin

You are just forgetting, that without the original holders of this land illegally selling the land, no crime would ever have been committed.

The present owners actually paid money (peanuts) for the land, they didn't steal it!!

So the guys who should be headed for jail here, are those who sold the Kings land.

And now they are going to repeat it all over again, giving land to landless farmers(!!) and in 10 years time it will all belong to big landlords again. Only this time they will be wearing yellow shirts!!

For sure it is no coincidence that the crackdowns are only taking place in the North and North East, while Mr Suthep & Co are left alone!!

You're right. They're just going to sell the lands back to the same so called rich people.

[SABloke]

And the good deeds and decisions are pouring in every day.

Does any of the TVF members listen to what is happening or the needle has stuck on.......we want democracy, we want democracy......................

Wake up, fellow members, democracy will come when this country is ready to accept it.

For the moment is a lot to be done and this government is dealing with it and delivering.

Costas dear fellow this is only headline publicity for those near and dear to your heart the ruling government. This is the last we will ever hear on this subject.

Warin Buawiratlert is that you? I thought the PM told you to stop your antics

[o2eZy]

good on the prime minister for seizing land from these land grabbers and handing it over to the poor farmers

I think the PM should change his name to Robin Hood who stole from the rich and gave to the poor

a legend in his time ....and this PM will be a legend too if he keeps up the promises to get Thailand back on track and removes the scammers

[BSJ]

One time my dad and I were talking about the amount of welfare Australian people and the government gave to the Abos. Not just dole money but money to buy farms, money that wasn't always paid back. Gifts of land to tribal councils that exclude white people from that land. Schemes to give them jobs, often with skill training that they treated with indifference. Dad's arguement was you have to try these things to show them the way forward, to show the there is more to be gained form a good paying job as opposed to doing nothing and claiming the dole.

My argument was that anyone that doesn't have to pay to get something, or work to establish their business/farm, will not have the same sense of values as someone who has to put their name, reputation and future on the line.

That logic can be applied here in LOS. Families will be given the land but they won't place the same value on it a buyer would. They will do what they always did in the past and it wont work. Agriculture in LOS is changing. Anyone with a small farm is going to be toast in a few years. The big farms have economy of scale. A farmer with 1000 rai can make more money per rai and with less workers than a farmer with a 10 rai farm. Your 10 rai farmer may survive if he changes his crops and farming practices.....but will they?

In a previous post the comment was made that in 10 years time the fat cats will again own the land....and that's probably right!

[halloween]

Giving a poor farmer a small plot of land will ensure one thing - that they remain poor, unless they sell it. Which is apparently illegal and against the spirit of the scheme.

Hmmm, peppercorn leasing perhaps, but what stops the "poor" farmer sub-leasing it?

BTW just how that man with wider vision than us poor fools works out that the land will belong to the RTA is a mystery.

[Farang99]

And the good deeds and decisions are pouring in every day.

Does any of the TVF members listen to what is happening or the needle has stuck on.......we want democracy, we want democracy......................

Wake up, fellow members, democracy will come when this country is ready to accept it.

For the moment is a lot to be done and this government is dealing with it and delivering.

So far the government has promised to deal with all sorts of situations, but is there any sign of this actually happening?

[EnglishJohn]

lol, the arguments from PT supporters against the Junta are getting thinner and more desperate as time goes on and all their predictions of what Prauyth intends to do never happen.

Face up to the facts : the Junta are genuinely trying to help the poor and all you can do is try to bring it down.

Is 'spin' the best you can manage now ?. And do you seriously think that Farang who grew up in real democracies and are well educated are the ones who have got it wrong, whereas you who grew up in an environment of corruption and cheating carry the baton of truth ?. Did it ever occur to you that there is no need for the Junta to do any of this. They don't have to worry about re-election or popularity : they are out as soon as elections are called whatever.

You people need to wake up to the fact that your greed, bitterness and jealousy is Thailand's big problem. You are not the solution for all the troubles, you are the cause.

[Bakseeda]

talking is fine but its the actions we need before we can say well done. Lets see these corrupt owners have all their assets seized, compensation in the millions taken from it and then thrown in jail, until then it is simply spin

You are just forgetting, that without the original holders of this land illegally selling the land, no crime would ever have been committed.

The present owners actually paid money (peanuts) for the land, they didn't steal it!!

So the guys who should be headed for jail here, are those who sold the Kings land.

And now they are going to repeat it all over again, giving land to landless farmers(!!) and in 10 years time it will all belong to big landlords again. Only this time they will be wearing yellow shirts!!

For sure it is no coincidence that the crackdowns are only taking place in the North and North East, while Mr Suthep & Co are left alone!!

JOC...... are you really stupid or just a wind-up.... The title deeds were sold onto these rich persons by corrupt officials at the Land Office.. The land was never in the possession of the poor peoples... Get off your high horse and get over the fact that Thaksin, your hero has gone and will NOT be coming home alive..!