UDD's request to commemorate 2010 bloodshed rejected

[Eric Loh]

Seen a news report of a memorial prayer meeting at a temple in Patumthani province.

Really feel for those who lost love ones. Hard enough they don't have closure; now denied to mourn by the Government. I hope the government will not stop the Patumthani memorial prayer gathering or place soldiers in the temple.

[marinediscoking]

@rixalex good find I concede your point and have not seen that before. One would have though they would have burned the place down after being slaughtered and only part of a mall was burned. I don't condone it by any means but the current treatment to them by the Junta is only deepening the divide.

Far more than "only part of a mall" was burned.

Were you in Thailand at the time?

Yes I was and I owned a shop in one of Central's owned mall at the time which had to close on that day so my memory is very clear. Thier protest area was confined on a public road. They did not take over airports, govermment buildings, and dump bodies off bridges. It is obious from you and your yellow supporters and Junta lovers that everything is Thaksins falt directly and thai people who support his policies cannot think for themselves and are just pawns who shot themselves. How dare they want to have a 5 year memorial!

The damage was confined to a very very small area.

Lie 1: protest area was confined on a public road.

Lie 2: They didn't take over government buildings.

Lie 3: the damage was confined to a very very small area.

If I am lying prove me wrong. I stand by my statements!

[jdinasia]

@rixalex good find I concede your point and have not seen that before. One would have though they would have burned the place down after being slaughtered and only part of a mall was burned. I don't condone it by any means but the current treatment to them by the Junta is only deepening the divide.

Far more than "only part of a mall" was burned.

Were you in Thailand at the time?

Yes I was and I owned a shop in one of Central's owned mall at the time which had to close on that day so my memory is very clear. Thier protest area was confined on a public road. They did not take over airports, govermment buildings, and dump bodies off bridges. It is obious from you and your yellow supporters and Junta lovers that everything is Thaksins falt directly and thai people who support his policies cannot think for themselves and are just pawns who shot themselves. How dare they want to have a 5 year memorial!

The damage was confined to a very very small area.

Lie 1: protest area was confined on a public road.

Lie 2: They didn't take over government buildings.

Lie 3: the damage was confined to a very very small area.

If I am lying prove me wrong. I stand by my statements!

http://globalvoicesonline.org/2010/05/20/thailand-arson-in-bangkok-protests-spread-to-other-provinces/

Map links photos of other burning buildings....

[mikemac]

I had a look at the link you posted jd, pretty much proves he was either lying through his teeth or just posting typical red propaganda, which is the same thing.

Red supporters want all the sympathy but refuse point blank to take any blame for the deaths and damages that their low-life terrorist heros caused.

[GeckosDiving]

You don't need permission to mourn the deaths of your own citizens by the guns of your own military. Everyone remember that fateful days. Just like Thammasart massacre 1976, the day will go down history in time live with infamy.

To many I am sure you are right, but keep in mind that to many others, me included, it will go down in history as the day the army saved Bangkok from a terrorist attack.

You do have the right to express, something in short supply at this trying time. Just that the word "save" is way off the mark. Here you have a military with overwhelming fire power against a static target and the majority of those killed were civilians, journalists, nurse and taxi drivers. If the casualties were MIB, I say well done but when the casualties are civilians, I called this brutality. More like the protestors needed to be saved when you faced with M16 and live ammo. To me it's indiscriminate and disproportionate use of force. That will be remembered in Thai history as another atrocity by the military.

[Baerboxer]

Seen a news report of a memorial prayer meeting at a temple in Patumthani province.

Really feel for those who lost love ones. Hard enough they don't have closure; now denied to mourn by the Government. I hope the government will not stop the Patumthani memorial prayer gathering or place soldiers in the temple.

Nonsense. No one has been denied the right to mourn.

A non elected "leader" out on bail for his previous terrorist activities wanted to organize a propaganda pantomime so sympathy could be sought for a political faction.

What has this now millionaire self-appointed non elected "leader", his self appointed suddenly rich co-leaders and their mega rich owner and paymaster ever done for the bereaved?

I feel for all those who lost loved ones, regardless of whether they were red shirt pawns, security forces, journalists or innocent bystanders. Somehow I don't think all those bereaved would appreciate some a-hole like Jatuporn organizing a media circus more focused on showing the Shins in a good light than anything else.

[metisdead]

An off topic post has been removed as well as the replies.

[Wilsonandson]

Eric you were right the planned anniversery of the 2010 crackdown was cancelled after soldiers and police arrived at the temple in Pathumthani to stop anyone taking part in the event. Yet a similar event to commerate a soldier killed at the same crackdown went ahead today.

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1428581393&section=11

[rubl]

Reform at it's best.

Forgive and forget...nah!

Amnesty anyone?

It seems the 2014 commemoration was skipped, but in 2013 we had

"1. We want to express our deepest gratitude and respect for the heroes who have lost their lives in our fight to bring power to the people and in our struggle for true democracy in Thailand.

We, the living, will keep on fighting for this noble cause and we will not stop until we will have succeeded in order to make sure that these lives were not lost in vain.

- See more at: http://thairedshirts.org/2013/05/21/udd-statement-on-may-19th-2013/#sthash.1bALFSBi.dpuf"

[rubl]

Eric you were right the planned anniversery of the 2010 crackdown was cancelled after soldiers and police arrived at the temple in Pathumthani to stop anyone taking part in the event. Yet a similar event to commerate a soldier killed at the same crackdown went ahead today.

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1428581393&section=11

"Yet a similar event to commerate a soldier killed at the same crackdown went ahead today."

which is not reported in the KhaoSod article. So where did you find that 'similar' commemoration ?

[JOC]

Eric you were right the planned anniversery of the 2010 crackdown was cancelled after soldiers and police arrived at the temple in Pathumthani to stop anyone taking part in the event. Yet a similar event to commerate a soldier killed at the same crackdown went ahead today.

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1428581393&section=11

Think you are a little confused mate!!

This is what took place today:

Japanese Minister of Foreign Affairs Katsuya Okada lays flowers at the spot where Japanese journalist Hiroyuki Muramoto was shot dead during the clashes, 23 April 2010Image 2

Edited April 10, 2015 by JOC

[Wilsonandson]

Here is that link rubl - http://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/491484--thai-red-shirts-banned-from-commemorating-2010-killings

[rubl]

Here is that link rubl - http://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/491484--thai-red-shirts-banned-from-commemorating-2010-killings

"Despite the bans on Red Shirt commemorations, the widow of a military officer killed in the clash held a religious ceremony with friends and family at Wat Boworn Nivet, a major temple in the capital.

"It's just annual merit-making and the authorities should understand our intentions," Nicha Hiranburana Thuwatham said."

Well, you wrote "Yet a similar event to commerate a soldier killed at the same crackdown went ahead today."

Now of course if you feel that the widely announced UDD rally to be similar to a religious ceremony with a widow, family and friends and no one else seems to know about, I think you're somewhat biased. You even put the line just before the link to the KhaoSod article as if to suggest one could find more there which (of course) one couldn't because there was nothing there.

[issanaus]

Here is that link rubl - http://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/491484--thai-red-shirts-banned-from-commemorating-2010-killings

Ok, so I read the link you kindly provided - but in what way are the events similar?

The officers wife, family and friends held a merit making ceremony in a wat which some one decided was newsworthy and reported it in a news article.

As opposed to:-

An event that was planned by a political / para military organisation, announced and promoted in public with full understanding that it would cause issues in the current political environment and where the events are subject to various judicial inquires. The event was promoted and milked for political goals.

I personally know of one of the families of a deceased (red protestor) that held a merit ceremony in a Wat that was very similar to that of the officers merit ceremony. If I had been in the locality I would have happily attended. Fortunately they were allowed their privacy, dignity and not used as a political pawn as the deceased had been used in life and others are been used in their death.

[mikemac]

Here is that link rubl - http://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/491484--thai-red-shirts-banned-from-commemorating-2010-killings

Ok, so I read the link you kindly provided - but in what way are the events similar?

The officers wife, family and friends held a merit making ceremony in a wat which some one decided was newsworthy and reported it in a news article.

As opposed to:-

An event that was planned by a political / para military organisation, announced and promoted in public with full understanding that it would cause issues in the current political environment and where the events are subject to various judicial inquires. The event was promoted and milked for political goals.

I personally know of one of the families of a deceased (red protestor) that held a merit ceremony in a Wat that was very similar to that of the officers merit ceremony. If I had been in the locality I would have happily attended. Fortunately they were allowed their privacy, dignity and not used as a political pawn as the deceased had been used in life and others are been used in their death.

The facts are not similar issanaus, they rarely are when red supporters present their cases, but they still play the desperate "discrimination" card and rely on gaining sympathy for the loss of lives in 2010.

Some red posters go to great lengths trawling the internet looking for anything they can use to further their cause, in the case above from a Turkish state run press agency.

I find it hard to feel sympathy towards anything when "black-clad men used automatic weapons and rocket-propelled grenades" are involved.

"Col. Romklao Thuwatham was among five soldiers killed five years ago when a group of black-clad men used automatic weapons and rocket-propelled grenades to push back the military. Twenty civilians and a Japanese cameraman also lost their lives in the violence in Bangkok’s historic district."

Also whoever wrote the article was very selective when stating the facts. Sometimes it is what is omitted that stands out, not what is printed -

"Between February and May 2010, the Red Shirts had demonstrated to call for early elections before the protest was crushed by the army on May 19 with the loss of more than 90 lives."

All Wilsonandson has done is to highlight yet another one-eyed red website.