Popular Post chainarong Posted April 19, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2015 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> What is a PM getting involved in something like this for or doesn't he trust military discipline ? Yeah , you'd think the head honcho would have better things to do , something akin to Cameron being involved with a parking ticket argument at Harrods 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 What is a PM getting involved in something like this for or doesn't he trust military discipline ? Because he is finished with the lottery issue and found himself with some spare time Good morning wife, i'm at a bit of a loose end today so any ideas on what irrelevancy i should interest myself in and prove I'm in Absolute Control ? Cue Dr. Evil laugh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneday Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 "...Prayuth felt "uncomfortable" after viewing the video, and instructed the Royal Thai Army to take disciplinary action against the soldier..." He only has himself to blame, because of the sense of entitlement the government is sending out to its troops. I'm sure there are many soldiers that think they are the ultimate law and police are beneath them and therefore can't touch them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorG Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 It is perfectly understandable that the PM might suggest to the military that they should look into this incident. The error here is that the PM felt the need to crow this to the press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupatria Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Finally we get there: no matter what color - one helmet(law) fits all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastcanje Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 It strikes me that PM Prayuth is no longer head of the army. Sooner or later the army will wonder who should be giving them orders. General Prayut is still Chief of the NCPO (aka the Junta) that has absolute power over all of Thai government and people, including the military. In fact now that he has invoked Article 44, the Royal Thai Police fall under military jurisdiction. The soldier was perfectly correct to ignore the police stop. I certainly hope that this is "...tongue in cheek"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastcanje Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 "...Prayuth felt "uncomfortable" after viewing the video, and instructed the Royal Thai Army to take disciplinary action against the soldier..." He only has himself to blame, because of the sense of entitlement the government is sending out to its troops. I'm sure there are many soldiers that think they are the ultimate law and police are beneath them and therefore can't touch them. If your assessment of the military's "sense of entitlement" is correct, then you will be the first to see that the General was absolutely doing the right thing in removing that false impression from the minds of the troops! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post geriatrickid Posted April 20, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2015 He will be removed to an inactive post where he will never see real war as all members of the Thai Army have so gallantly faced over the years this country has existed. There! That was uncalled for. The implicated soldier was an arrogant jerk. Most are not. They are regular people, no different than other Thais. My friend spent time in the south. He came back in one piece, however, he has some other issues that I won't go into detail about. Several of the people in his unit did not go home in one piece. In a couple cases, all they could find were some incinerated fragmented body parts after an IED detonated. Over the years, there have been tens of thousands of Thais who have put their lives on the line making sure that the insurgents didn't attack non combatants, who responded to gruesome events and who sadly were KIA. As an aside, the highest per capita deaths and injuries are associated with the Issan in large part because the region represents 1/3 of Thailand's population. It is also due to the greater likelihood that they are the units sent south. The elite units in Bangkok are rarely sent south. People who ridicule Issan and the Thai enlisted ranks should keep that in mind. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minikev Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 General says to the Colonel - the soldier should be disciplined Colonel says to the Major - punish the soldier Major says to the Captain - be hard on him Captain says to the Lieutenant - show him no mercy Lieutenant says to the soldier - sorry its the firing squad for you today If the army rules that the soldier confronted the police officers because of his mental disorder, the soldier will receive medical treatment, Col. Winthai said. He added that the army will attempt to determine the "true intention" of the person who uploaded the video onto the internet. You wasn't far off I saw the video. He seemed surprised the police had pulled him over, they were polite and told him he should be wearing a helmet, he basically told them to go about their business as if they had no authority over him and if he didn't want to wear a helmet on it was up to him. He then calmly turned his motorbike around and rode away. It looks like the policeman who allegedly filmed this may be in trouble soon for making it public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Finally we get there: no matter what color - one helmet(law) fits all. Do as I say NOT as I do Applies all over the world, not just in Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 It is perfectly understandable that the PM might suggest to the military that they should look into this incident. The error here is that the PM felt the need to crow this to the press. I don't think it is an error. I would go so far as to say, he had to intervene. The General has set himself as the all knowing, all seeing, all powerful man in charge. The incident is bad PR for the military which is constructing the image that they are the saviours of Thailand. Intervening sends a strong statement that the General cares etc. In the past we have seen military personnel engage in ghastly events. Remember the army officer who ran down the little woman physician in the hospital parking lot and escaped justice? If he had not intervened, the public would say, ahh, typical army. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Finally we get there: no matter what color - one helmet(law) fits all. Do as I say NOT as I do Applies all over the world, not just in Thailand Big difference: There was no helmet law during the Thaksin era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WitawatWatawit Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 (edited) The bottom line is that this is a token gesture, a PR-type knee jerk reaction because it was filmed. Anyone praising the general for this needs to reflect for a moment. The military has a well known record for protecting its own and there are countless examples of it defying the law to do so (see post #42). If the general was so concerned about ensuring military types face justice for their misdeeds, then he doesn't have to look very far for examples. Let's just presume he is still army chief and a civilian is PM. Think he would react the same? Actually, he probably would, but it would be no more than a token gesture, just like now - a ploy to distract from the real problems of the military in respect of the law. This is a snow job, nothing more, and has no credibility while genuine offenders enjoy the protection of the barracks. Edit: geriatrickid - wrong about the helmet laws, matey. In 1988, Chatchai, then PM, was pixed on a chopper with no helmet and got pilloried in the letters columns. Edited April 20, 2015 by WitawatWatawit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulic Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Don't see what the big deal is, the police often do not wear helmets while riding around on there scooters. Just a suggestion for them, not the law. Poor guy thought the same rules applied to the military as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nahkit Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Finally we get there: no matter what color - one helmet(law) fits all. Do as I say NOT as I do Applies all over the world, not just in Thailand Big difference: There was no helmet law during the Thaksin era. Another big difference: Prayuth wasn't riding on a public road, he was riding in the Government House compound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 (edited) When does a PM of a country get to tell the police what to do? This guy still thinks he is a general I guess it's the PM's habit here. Thaksin managed it for all his years in power, out of power and even through his clone puppet. You almost get the feeling that as well as being riddled with corruption, the police are like a badly treated kicked often dog. Scared of anyone perceived important but happy to bite those down the food chain. BTW he was an army General not police General, Thaksin, despite being a convicted criminal fugitive wanted in 15 court cases, still holds the rank of police Lt. Col. What a shit heap. Edited April 20, 2015 by Baerboxer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berybert Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Another case of 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' Pathetic really. Let me explain to you: in any civilized country, the incident would have been handled more or less like this: guy on a motocy, without helmet (no matter if a soldier or a butcher or a housewife)....stopped by the police...punishment/fine handed out...driver complaining and/or being rude to the policeman....fine/punishment handed out...end of story! No PM would EVER be involved in this! This is why NO ONE would EVER ask Mr.P to get involved, so NO DAMNED IF YOU DON'T! But if someone thinks he needs to be involved in anyone, breaking wind (mini skirts on TV, bikinis on beaches, soldiers arguing with traffic cop) or anything...that's when he get's criticized, because what the ....the guy is PM. If he has nothing better to do, surely happiness must have returned to Thailand! Also: maybe choppering around the Government House without a helmet, didn't set such a good example after all, huh?! In any civilized country the bike rider would have been ordered off the bike and his details taken. He would then have about a week to produce at the local cop shop. Possibility of a court appearance and a nice heafty fine. In Thailand you pay a fine and carry on riding your bike with is illegal without a helmet, and the cops will be happy to wave you on for the same reason he stopped you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
issanaus Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 The PM took the correct action in that he sent a clear message to the Thai military, police, people and the international community that powers sought under Article 44 would be used in limited circumstances and not used to over ride the laws or rights of people unless it was for security situations or involved serious crimes. Empowering military above certain ranks to ignore the police or override their authority was only to be used in situations where the police were failing to do their job. The message to the police in this case was that he, as PM would support them when they were in the right. BTW good work by who ever took the video and posted it I wonder how long it took the PM to clam down from the initial dummy spit - it would have been a beauty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFerearnk Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Never forget that the RTP is a part of the RTA. Al police ranks are lower then the same rank in the army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonmarleesco Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 '... riding a motorcycle without a safety helmet ... is required under Thai traffic laws.' And, notwithstanding what often passes for (wearing) a motorcycle helmet in LoS, hardly ever enforced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabothai Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Three [ages worth of hogwash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupatria Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 (edited) Finally we get there: no matter what color - one helmet(law) fits all. Do as I say NOT as I do Applies all over the world, not just in Thailand Thanks for the lecture, any attempt to propose to Costa's daughter yet? Even if this appears a little boring to you, these comments " it happens elsewhere too" are not relevant in any case. Edited April 20, 2015 by Lupatria 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupatria Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 (edited) Finally we get there: no matter what color - one helmet(law) fits all. Do as I say NOT as I do Applies all over the world, not just in Thailand Big difference: There was no helmet law during the Thaksin era. Maybe there was no helmet law under Thaksin. However, I was fined 1.500 Thb for it during his reign by the police on Phuket's Rat u Thit Road in Patong Edited April 20, 2015 by Lupatria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike324 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Lets look at it on the positive side, times are changing and people are starting to abide by the laws. I bet the solider will be afraid to ride his bike without his helmet or license next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualbiker Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 (edited) Finally we get there: no matter what color - one helmet(law) fits all. Do as I say NOT as I do Applies all over the world, not just in Thailand Big difference: There was no helmet law during the Thaksin era. Well that information is incorrect.. There has indeed been a helmet law in Thailand since 1994 it was subsequently updated in 2007 to include passengers.http://m.injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/18/Suppl_1/A193.1 Edited April 20, 2015 by casualbiker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambum Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 When does a PM of a country get to tell the police what to do? This guy still thinks he is a general Article 44? Absolute power? You haven't been paying attention, have you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerojero Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 68 million citizens he's responsible for and he's directly dealing with an issue involving one soldier. Pure definition of micro-manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post casualbiker Posted April 20, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2015 68 million citizens he's responsible for and he's directly dealing with an issue involving one soldier. Pure definition of micro-manager. No he is informing any possible wayward military people and the country that they are NOT above the law! Sensible really! Also he discussed it because a reporter mentioned it to him! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Gen. Prayuth felt "uncomfortable" after viewing the video, and instructed the Royal Thai Army to take disciplinary action against the soldier. This is the raw power of Article 44 in action - no discussion, no investigation, no defense. Sickening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
issanaus Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Gen. Prayuth felt "uncomfortable" after viewing the video, and instructed the Royal Thai Army to take disciplinary action against the soldier. This is the raw power of Article 44 in action - no discussion, no investigation, no defense. Sickening. I agree, it is disgraceful that anyone in Thailand should act on evidence 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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