Vatican recognizes state of Palestine in new treaty

[Jingthing]

Why are you asking me how wide it would be better to be? Did you mistake me for an Israeli defense expert? My only point is that a ten year old looking at a map can see that Israel's small size in that neighborhood puts it in a geographically vulnerable position.

[Neurath]

Why are you asking me how wide it would be better to be? Did you mistake me for an Israeli defense expert? My only point is that a ten year old looking at a map can see that Israel's small size in that neighborhood puts it in a geographically vulnerable position.

I agree with that. I can't see how the width of the borders is ever going to change Israel being in a geographically vulnerable position. So whether those borders are 9, 18 or 500kms is a moot point.

[Seastallion]

Why are you asking me how wide it would be better to be? Did you mistake me for an Israeli defense expert? My only point is that a ten year old looking at a map can see that Israel's small size in that neighborhood puts it in a geographically vulnerable position.

Low lying Pacific islands are in danger of being overwhelmed by the ocean....does that give them the right to invade and occupy higher islands inhabited by militarily weaker people?

Your argument is pathetic. We don't have what we want, so we'll steal it from someone else. And we're justified in that because we're a tiny island in a hostile sea.

[Pakboong]

And since when did a US court become the bastion of all things legal.

You tried to claim that the Palestinian Authority are not involved in terrorism, but this is proof that they are. Furthermore, the PA are controlled by Fatah, who used to be a terrorist group and who still are cheerleaders for terrorist actions by other groups.

Also true of the Haganah, Stern Gang and Irgun. None of which matters. The Arabs are not the only terrorists but the Jews in the British mandate were not freedom fighters either.

[Ulysses G.]

Your argument is pathetic. We don't have what we want, so we'll steal it from someone else.

Actually your arguments are pathetic and that applied to pretty much all of them. The Palestinians were the ones that did the stealing and terrorizing in the first place, when they were militarily stronger. Now that Israel has turned the tables on them, they whine about it.

[Ulysses G.]

And since when did a US court become the bastion of all things legal.

You tried to claim that the Palestinian Authority are not involved in terrorism, but this is proof that they are. Furthermore, the PA are controlled by Fatah, who used to be a terrorist group and who still are cheerleaders for terrorist actions by other groups.

Also true of the Haganah, Stern Gang and Irgun. None of which matters. The Arabs are not the only terrorists but the Jews in the British mandate were not freedom fighters either.

Nonsense. The Haganah, Stern Gang and Irgun struck back after decades of murderous attacks on innocent Jewish families by the Palestinian Arabs. Just how much were they supposed to take?

[Pakboong]

And since when did a US court become the bastion of all things legal.

You tried to claim that the Palestinian Authority are not involved in terrorism, but this is proof that they are. Furthermore, the PA are controlled by Fatah, who used to be a terrorist group and who still are cheerleaders for terrorist actions by other groups.

Also true of the Haganah, Stern Gang and Irgun. None of which matters. The Arabs are not the only terrorists but the Jews in the British mandate were not freedom fighters either.

Nonsense. The Haganah, Stern Gang and Irgun struck back after decades of murderous attacks on innocent Jewish families by the Palestinian Arabs. Just how much were they supposed to take?

There is really no justification for terrorism. It is what it is. Their primary target was not the Arabs, it was the British.

Edited May 21, 2015 by Pakboong

[Ulysses G.]

Actually, that is modern thinking. During WW II - when these events were taking place - it was still common to target civilians on the enemy side. The bombing of London, Dresden and Hiroshima are just a few examples. However, the West has progressed from that time. Much of the Muslim world has not.

Edited May 21, 2015 by Ulysses G.

[Neurath]

Except that there was no state of war in 1946. During which: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

Hardly the same thing really.

[Ulysses G.]

So, you think that the way war was waged changed completely in ONE YEAR? Not much of an argument really.

[arunsakda]

And since when did a US court become the bastion of all things legal.

You tried to claim that the Palestinian Authority are not involved in terrorism, but this is proof that they are. Furthermore, the PA are controlled by Fatah, who used to be a terrorist group and who still are cheerleaders for terrorist actions by other groups.

Also true of the Haganah, Stern Gang and Irgun. None of which matters. The Arabs are not the only terrorists but the Jews in the British mandate were not freedom fighters either.

Nonsense. The Haganah, Stern Gang and Irgun struck back after decades of murderous attacks on innocent Jewish families by the Palestinian Arabs. Just how much were they supposed to take?

You are arguing with the same logic used by Islamic terrorists. Unbelievable. Edited May 21, 2015 by arunsakda

[Ulysses G.]

Unbelievable that is what you claim to see.Take those hate-blinders off for a change. I don't approve of everything Haganah, Stern Gang and Irgun did, but they were defending themselves and not fighting any differently than others at that point in history. The problem is those that are still fighting the same way 70 years later when the rest of the world has evolved. .

Edited May 21, 2015 by Ulysses G.

[arunsakda]

So who do I hate?

[Ulysses G.]

I would happily answer that as I've read lots of your twisted posts on the subject, but it is against the rules.

[arunsakda]

I just wanted to ask that question as it is very common to hear the very weak and (intellectually dishonest) argument from my soul brothers to label me as "self-loathing" when I state any opposition to IDF atrocities.

I am a staunch supporter of Israel and it's people, especially it's history of socialism, within internationally recognized borders. Occupation, blockades, apartheid and military atrocity however is not good for Israel and not good for the Jewish people. It is contrary to our values of righteousness that we treasure above all else. On the contrary to this accusation when I hear of hate attacks against any Jew any where it is like I am personally injured. I bristle at the subtle anti-semitism I encounter occasionally and argue forcefully when I hear these ridiculous conspiracy theories that don't seem to die off. (A Japanese guy who is a good buddy just told me the Yen is down because of "Jewish Bankers"). Pilots just like me were the first to to have their throats cut on 9/11 in the name of this Islamic terror crap with my name and appearance I would think I might likely be the first to be thrown overboard if my "cruise ship was high-jacked". So if there is any prejudice on my part it is likely 180 degrees opposite to what you believe.

Edited May 21, 2015 by arunsakda

[Ulysses G.]

I am a staunch supporter of Israel and it's people

You sure don't spend much time discussing any of Israel's positive qualities on this forum. Quite frankly, with "friends" like you, who needs enemies?

[Pakboong]

Actually, that is modern thinking. During WW II - when these events were taking place - it was still common to target civilians on the enemy side. The bombing of London, Dresden and Hiroshima are just a few examples. However, the West has progressed from that time. Much of the Muslim world has not.

Actually that is not true. The country attacked by the west from the air with a total bomb load which surpassed the entire amount dropped in WWII was dropped on Laos during the late 60s and early 70s.

[Ulysses G.]

You are referring to the Laotian Civil War and the Pathet Lao, North Vietnamese Army and Ho Chi Minh Trail were legitimate military targets.

Edited May 21, 2015 by Ulysses G.

[Linky]

I am a staunch supporter of Israel and it's people

You sure don't spend much time discussing any of Israel's positive qualities on this forum. Quite frankly, with "friends" like you, who needs enemies?

Doesnt surprise me that you only have friends that agree with everything you say.

[Ulysses G.]

Actually, most of my friends in real life are liberals. We agree on some things and disagree on others. We try not to dwell to much on inside politics.

Edited May 21, 2015 by Ulysses G.