impulse Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Maybe they're counting legs... That would make the math about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadGeordie Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Maybe they're counting legs... That would make the math about right.Legs!!!!! Toes I think;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilymat Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 According to my calculator and info from Wiki, 6 million represents only 0.225% of the Chinese population. What are we going to do when the rest decide they want to come as well, after seeing the 'selfies' and so on.! OMG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dtaw Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Chinese tourists are absolutely awful. Here is a Mainland Chinese woman taking a poop in Hong Kong right on the sidewalk in the middle of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeinbangkok Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Here’s some news for those who make idiotic comments like packing their bags and going or that Thailand is driving away Quality European tourists! According to eHoteler ( 21st May 2015),"The world’s biggest spenders dish out $3,252 on average, per person, during trips. In total, these spenders spent a record $165 billion abroad last year (a 28% increase from the previous year). The number is growing annually. Who are these big spenders? They’re Chinese tourists who should be the number one demographic to keep your eye on this year". Furthermore, Travelers from China spent $11.36 billion more overseas than foreign tourists last year. Australia’s largest arrivals currently is from China. One Chinese incentive group spent 14.5Million dollars early this month in France and Monaco. So, if you guys who think that this is a Thailand specific issue, you are wrong. Western countries, EU, UK, USA and Australia are wooing the Chinese by hundreds and thousands as they need the tourist income as much as Thailand does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesetat2013 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 :-( Time to pack my bags and leave...... Surprised to see this number. I thought with all the dismal news about Chinese tourists behaving badly, there was some sort of renewed push from TAT to bring back the good old polite free spending European tourists....... Since when did you start believing what TAT says when it comes to their numbered quotes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
konying Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 The aim of TAT is high numbers, what Thailand needs is NOT quantity but quality. People spending money not only using up oxygen and creating traffic jams and pollution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 This is a woo woo story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Haggis Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 (edited) Here’s some news for those who make idiotic comments like packing their bags and going or that Thailand is driving away Quality European tourists! According to eHoteler ( 21st May 2015),"The world’s biggest spenders dish out $3,252 on average, per person, during trips. In total, these spenders spent a record $165 billion abroad last year (a 28% increase from the previous year). The number is growing annually. Who are these big spenders? They’re Chinese tourists who should be the number one demographic to keep your eye on this year". Furthermore, Travelers from China spent $11.36 billion more overseas than foreign tourists last year. Australia’s largest arrivals currently is from China. One Chinese incentive group spent 14.5Million dollars early this month in France and Monaco. So, if you guys who think that this is a Thailand specific issue, you are wrong. Western countries, EU, UK, USA and Australia are wooing the Chinese by hundreds and thousands as they need the tourist income as much as Thailand does. Do you know why the average is $3252 per person? it's taking into account the very high cost of living in all the places you mentioned, EU,UK, USA and Australia, have you ever stayed in Monaco or France for a week, the figure of 14.5 million dollars is taking into account the cost of living there, do you think for the same numbers and the same group came to Thailand they'd find the cost of living on parr with the EU? You do know that the hotels this group was staying in were also 5 star too, the average Chinese tourist, coming with alone would settle for the cheapest option, he's no different from the Westerner coming on his own. The Chinese are the new Russians, till their economy takes a dip, by all means "woo" them, but get them to also spend a bit more while they're here, I doubt the ones coming here on package deals spend on average $3252 per head either, do you? and then whine about an 8000 baht seafood meal I'm sure you're also aware that the average wage for the Chinese worker in the Private sector per annum is about $5000, or there abouts, so they're holidays take up a considerable portion of their wages, which makes me wonder how long it takes for them to accumulate enough to spend? if they only earn $5000 per annum, it would go a long ways to understand why they DON'T like to spend. Edited May 21, 2015 by Fat Haggis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gchurch259 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Is this really necessary, Most Chinese do not have the word "Quality" in their vocabulary !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertthebruce Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Saw loads of them out today, in the Mall...... All carrying loads of shopping bags, Chanel, Dior, YSL..... So they are spending, but rude and just push and shove wherever they go, and Loud is an understatement..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dtaw Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Was it Stalin who said something like "quantity is a quality all of its own" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 The nation will have to change its name from Thailand to Chailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCC1701A Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I am confused. "The first quarter of 2015 has seen Chinese tourism in Thailand expand by 112 percent from the same period last year to 679,660 visitors." So, if 680k tourists came in Q1, which has the most months of the high season, Chinese New Year and Songkran...that means they achieved 11% of the 6million target in Q1. Which means they need 1.7million tourists each quarter for the next 3 quarters. Did I read this wrong? this was my first thought too... based on the first quarter i would project maybe 2.5 million for the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srchino Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 The Mainland Chinese almost make me miss the Russians, and the Russians certainly make me miss the Germans. I can't remember what came before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Here’s some news for those who make idiotic comments like packing their bags and going or that Thailand is driving away Quality European tourists! According to eHoteler ( 21st May 2015),"The world’s biggest spenders dish out $3,252 on average, per person, during trips. In total, these spenders spent a record $165 billion abroad last year (a 28% increase from the previous year). The number is growing annually. Who are these big spenders? They’re Chinese tourists who should be the number one demographic to keep your eye on this year". Furthermore, Travelers from China spent $11.36 billion more overseas than foreign tourists last year. Australia’s largest arrivals currently is from China. One Chinese incentive group spent 14.5Million dollars early this month in France and Monaco. So, if you guys who think that this is a Thailand specific issue, you are wrong. Western countries, EU, UK, USA and Australia are wooing the Chinese by hundreds and thousands as they need the tourist income as much as Thailand does. This is an interesting take on their spending habits: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101843609 Around 15 percent of respondents said they spent 10,000 renminbi ($1,619) a day, while 2 percent spent 50,000 renminbi ($8,095) a day. But the bulk surveyed were at the lower end of the scale, with 28 percent spending between 2,001 and 5,000 renminbi ($324-810) and 36 percent spending between 500 and 2,000 renminbi ($81-324). Another article spoke about the 2 types of Chinese tourists. Ones who go to the west for shopping and gambling...and spend big money. And the other type who are on a bus tour and mainly interested in getting their pic taken in famous places (I.e. Grand Palace, Walking Street, etc.). They tend to spend very little money. I doubt rich Chinese come to Thailand for shopping. And for sure not for gambling! LOL For shopping, they head to France, UK, the US, Italy, etc.... Based on how many tour buses I've seen here lately, I think we're getting the lower end of the spending scale here. Tourists with big money would never do a bus tour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmitch Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Here’s some news for those who make idiotic comments like packing their bags and going or that Thailand is driving away Quality European tourists! According to eHoteler ( 21st May 2015),"The world’s biggest spenders dish out $3,252 on average, per person, during trips. In total, these spenders spent a record $165 billion abroad last year (a 28% increase from the previous year). The number is growing annually. Who are these big spenders? They’re Chinese tourists who should be the number one demographic to keep your eye on this year". Furthermore, Travelers from China spent $11.36 billion more overseas than foreign tourists last year. Australia’s largest arrivals currently is from China. One Chinese incentive group spent 14.5Million dollars early this month in France and Monaco. So, if you guys who think that this is a Thailand specific issue, you are wrong. Western countries, EU, UK, USA and Australia are wooing the Chinese by hundreds and thousands as they need the tourist income as much as Thailand does. This is an interesting take on their spending habits: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101843609 Around 15 percent of respondents said they spent 10,000 renminbi ($1,619) a day, while 2 percent spent 50,000 renminbi ($8,095) a day. But the bulk surveyed were at the lower end of the scale, with 28 percent spending between 2,001 and 5,000 renminbi ($324-810) and 36 percent spending between 500 and 2,000 renminbi ($81-324). Another article spoke about the 2 types of Chinese tourists. Ones who go to the west for shopping and gambling...and spend big money. And the other type who are on a bus tour and mainly interested in getting their pic taken in famous places (I.e. Grand Palace, Walking Street, etc.). They tend to spend very little money. I doubt rich Chinese come to Thailand for shopping. And for sure not for gambling! LOL For shopping, they head to France, UK, the US, Italy, etc.... Based on how many tour buses I've seen here lately, I think we're getting the lower end of the spending scale here. Tourists with big money would never do a bus tour. Spot on, and this is why Thaksin was keen to get a number of casinos open in Thailand. If they want tourist spending to increase dramatically this is the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lildragon Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Am I the only one still NOT to see all this unruly behavior but Chinese tourists? I live near king power And there's loads of them in soi rang nam and I haven't seen any pushing, spitting, over loudness yet. Well actually on that last points there was one time in a cafe on rang nam when a Chinese guy was very loudly taping up his purchased goods not giving a toss about the noise the tape was making. It was annoying but he did eventually stop when He noticed the evil glares he was getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLock Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I am confused. "The first quarter of 2015 has seen Chinese tourism in Thailand expand by 112 percent from the same period last year to 679,660 visitors." So, if 680k tourists came in Q1, which has the most months of the high season, Chinese New Year and Songkran...that means they achieved 11% of the 6million target in Q1. Which means they need 1.7million tourists each quarter for the next 3 quarters. Did I read this wrong? this was my first thought too... based on the first quarter i would project maybe 2.5 million for the year. ...ok, at worst that's 3 of us who are stupid and can't read good. But 11% in Q1 makes things very challenging for the rest of the year... Your 2.5million sounds about right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siam2007 Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I was considering Bali for a holiday later this year, but hearing this puts me off. I work for the Chinese in the Middle East, and they really are as bad as what people describe here, in some cases worse!! They eat like they're never going to see food again, and eat with their mouths open, food falling out all the time, they are loud and noisy eaters too, and they are "Jack" bastards too, as in they don't really care about others, 20 seats on the bus, they all sit in gangs, but come lunchtime it's a rush to get to the bus for an hours sleep, 8 will grab the seats and lay across them, leaving 12 to sit outside in the blazing heat. They spit and hock up loogies all over the place, and think nothing of dropping one at your feet.. I've been all over the world, and sorry but the Chinese manners are the worst I've observed, queuing ? forget it, they don't see anything wrong with barging to the front, it's their culture, and that's what pisses the expats off the most, you have to put up with it where I'm their employee, but I'm damned if I'm going to do it here, in the country where I've chosen to live. The Chinese explosion in Thailand will simply drive the quality tourists further away, beat the drum all you want about receiving 6 million Chinese, but unless they spend the same amount of money as Westerners the numbers don't mean shit!!! do not let that put you off, Bali is still a lovely place and it's easy to escape from the masses. As for the Chinese, they usually stay at remote hotels away from the tourist centers, which is no problem for them, as they never go anywhere individually and are always being shuttled around in Buses, and they never venture into the quiet countryside areas. it is still not difficult to find pleasant areas in Bali, PM me if you need information as I know the island and its hotel scene pretty well. great bargains to be had in the low season, and the real Balinese must be the most lovely folks one can find in Asia. Whenever I go to Bali, it is a cure for my soul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercman24 Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 as a previous poster stated numbers mean absolutely nothing,i would bet my last baht that a decent farang tourist would spend more than 10 chinese, i have seen them sharing food/drinks, talk about "cheap charlies" they have got it down to a fine art. still the old tourism lady who talks out of her a** , we can expect a more cr*p soon about tourism has gone up a zillion % Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I doubt rich Chinese come to Thailand for shopping. And for sure not for gambling! LOL For shopping, they head to France, UK, the US, Italy, etc... For spending trends, it's important to differentiate the Chinese who are able to qualify for visas to the EU and USA/Canada versus the ones who don't need a visa to travel to Thailand. The shoppers head to those countries because the import duties (especially on luxury goods) are reasonable. I had Chinese friends who paid for their tickets by bringing back a few high end items for resale. Low import duties are not the case here in Thailand, so there's no price advantage to shopping here. But, they fly in, they sleep, they eat, they travel and they do bring home gifts. It all costs money and it all contributes to someone in the Thai tourist chain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanuman2543 Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 They still ain't spending so numbers mean zilch!! Yes, we need more farang like the Thai Visa regulars who moan about being short-changed 2 baht at 7-Eleven or devote their lives to locating the outlet that sells Chang Beer for the least amount. With more than 6000 posts are you not a regular yourself on TV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggo Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 And there all in Walking Street.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercman24 Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 i was in KS bar the other night having a beer (like ya do) when a "herd" (good word) of them took a tour of NANA PLAZA, they couldn't have gone in anywhere as they were in and out in about 10 minutes, all with that silly grin on their faces, aah !! bless !! so not one baht spent there then . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 I've seen that quite often also. Large tour group being led by a guide holding a flag up in the air. All wearing the same colored hat. I've spent about 6 months traveling around China. This is the norm for how they travel there. Completely ruins the atmosphere of many beautiful places. The megaphones make it even worse! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy50 Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Sad news! Means more tour buses and more crowded tourist attractions. I hate large tour groups. Of any nationality. Indeed Thailand will change and not be the same as it used to be. I recently was absolutely shocked when I saw a picture of a beach in Krabi (must have been Ao Nopparat?), populated by virtually Ten Thousands of Chinese tour group day-trippers, so you weren't actually able to see any sand or the sea. You only saw people, people, people, bodies, bodies, bodies...... considering it will take 220 years for all Chinese nationals to visit Thailand in case the yearly numbers of 6 Million visitors remain the same, the worst is yet to come..... Ghastly............ As long as over population and how to reduce it is a taboo subject, the planet is doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Come December, maybe next January, I'm predicting an announcement that Chinese arrivals exceeded expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadGeordie Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Come December, maybe next January, I'm predicting an announcement that Chinese arrivals exceeded expectations. I am sure they have written the Press Release and are just waiting for an appropriate time to publish it ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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