Buddhist monks seek to ban schoolgirls from wearing headscarves in Burma

[bangon04]

Sirocco. That's part of the problem many Muslims around the world cannot read the Quran as it's in Arabic. So they rely on clerics, who can and have distorted the readings. There are of course translations of the Koran.. But these are the translators versions and can be different from each other. Many Muslims do not consider them to be the word of Mohammed.

I have read some of the Koran ( translated version) and its fiery stuff.

Same as The Bible then.

Probably the same publishing house! It was a big deal for war and blood and guts adventures at that time!

Ancient Murdoch publishing maybe!

Apparently the Angel Gabriel had a lot to do with it. He /She used to wander around telling these morality tales to anyone who would listen, and various prophets and disciples tried to write them down as well as they could remember the details.... bound to be a bit lost in the retelling, or more likely embellished in the retelling....

[rethaier]

Due to the ongoing political situation, Burmese monks had to, and became at the basis of change in the country. This group has clearly taken things too far and should read the Thipitaka a bit better. Especially the part about right conduct for monks and the tolerance of other religions.

Islam is not a religion it is a political ideology.

[Petchou]

Bible quotes that's very peaceful, if you need more just ask:

The LORD is a jealous God, filled with vengeance and wrath. He takes revenge on all who oppose him and furiously destroys his enemies! The LORD is slow to get angry, but his power is great, and he never lets the guilty go unpunished. He displays his power in the whirlwind and the storm. The billowing clouds are the dust beneath his feet. At his command the oceans and rivers dry up, the lush pastures of Bashan and Carmel fade, and the green forests of Lebanon wilt. In his presence the mountains quake, and the hills melt away; the earth trembles, and its people are destroyed. Who can stand before his fierce anger? Who can survive his burning fury? His rage blazes forth like fire, and the mountains crumble to dust in his presence. The LORD is good. When trouble comes, he is a strong refuge. And he knows everyone who trusts in him. But he sweeps away his enemies in an overwhelming flood. He pursues his foes into the darkness of night. (Nahum 1:2-8 NLT)

[arend]

Due to the ongoing political situation, Burmese monks had to, and became at the basis of change in the country. This group has clearly taken things too far and should read the Thipitaka a bit better. Especially the part about right conduct for monks and the tolerance of other religions.

Islam is not a religion it is a political ideology.

Islam is a monotheistic, Abrahamic religion articulated by the Qur'an.... - From Wikipedia

[rethaier]

Bible quotes that's very peaceful, if you need more just ask:

The LORD is a jealous God, filled with vengeance and wrath. He takes revenge on all who oppose him and furiously destroys his enemies! The LORD is slow to get angry, but his power is great, and he never lets the guilty go unpunished. He displays his power in the whirlwind and the storm. The billowing clouds are the dust beneath his feet. At his command the oceans and rivers dry up, the lush pastures of Bashan and Carmel fade, and the green forests of Lebanon wilt. In his presence the mountains quake, and the hills melt away; the earth trembles, and its people are destroyed. Who can stand before his fierce anger? Who can survive his burning fury? His rage blazes forth like fire, and the mountains crumble to dust in his presence. The LORD is good. When trouble comes, he is a strong refuge. And he knows everyone who trusts in him. But he sweeps away his enemies in an overwhelming flood. He pursues his foes into the darkness of night. (Nahum 1:2-8 NLT)

I am so happy to be an Atheist. Thankfully I don't have to believe this drivel.

[sirocco]

the veil is not a religious matter but a question of misogyny, it is necessary that women be submissive and obedient.

A woman is under the yoke of the father, brother, son, husband, uncle, cousin. A girl is crap. It must be less than man.

The veil was exploited by Islamists, by retrograde Imams, who see in women than sex.

That is why they are forced to hide the hair or the entire body.

I fully agree with Buddhist monks. You can take courses without being veiled.

If Muslims really want to practice "their religion" rather, their Sharia, they do so in their countries or possibly in a Koranic school.

I was born in an Arab country, I went to school, at school, at university in these countries, and veiled girls were forced to wear the white veil from head to toe, not to show them face or body, not by religion, but by obligation, by submission. And woe if they met a long lost friend, and if they were not veiled.

[sirocco]

rethaier,

I, too, am an atheist, but I worry about the problem of women subjected and humiliated. And glad to be born on the right side.

[sanuk711]

Christians and Jews have learned (at least most of them) to vent their bigotry in a non-violent fashion and can be almost sidestepped in society by non-believers.

Yes the Christians were hopelessly inhumanly violent and bent on wholesale persecution for centuries right up to the 17th century. Hopefully most of us have learned from their mistakes. A few notable exceptions even in the 20th century.

What is the excuse for violent assimilation or extermination of "non-believers" in the 21st century???

I so glad to read that the churches were only inhuman up to the 17th century----

bangon04 religion is an arm of the state control.....(that's why its taught in schools--no taxation ....etc ..etc) It will back whatever the state Army is at the time----there is nothing more graphic than that of the same churches in different countries in WW2--(not the 17th century) They stood by & allowed 6 million women children to be executed. & their main job was to back the state & tell the troops --Japan/ Germany Italy.....what a great job they were doing & how they would make it to heaven, no mention of virgins though ...........yer I am so glad our religion is so much different from those lunatic Muslims....

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005206

Historically the German Evangelical Church (protestant) viewed itself as one of the pillars of German culture and society, with a theologically grounded tradition of loyalty to the state. The "German Christians" embraced many of the nationalistic and racial aspects of Nazi ideology. Once the Nazis came to power, this group sought the creation of a national "Reich Church" and supported a "nazified" version of Christianity.

.................................& the Catholics

Before 1933, some bishops prohibited Catholics in their dioceses from joining the Nazi Party. This ban was dropped after Hitler's March 23, 1933, speech to the Reichstag in which he described Christianity as the “foundation” for German values. throughout this period there was virtually no public opposition to antisemitism or any readiness by church leaders to publicly oppose the regime on the issues of antisemitism and state-sanctioned violence against the Jews.

Edited June 23, 2015 by sanuk711

[arend]

Religion or Spirituality

This distinction is one way I have been able to remain apart from ideological conflict. Religion is basically a social institution based on a 'metaphysical' belief system and subject to the influence of good and bad social needs and forces. It's intrinsic purpose is to comfort and morally guide. Spirituality is one's personal journey to a deeper understanding and transformation. Obviously, they can and often do overlap but can also be far apart. Often they are equated and both summarily rejected. Most of the problems of religious persecution, conflict, politicization and commercialization seems to be centered in Religion. But, one's spirituality, while it can be misguided can also be clarified and adjusted except in some disturbed or mentally ill persons....I guess that also begs the question of whether a religion can become disturbed or mentally ill.......

Edited June 23, 2015 by arend

[MockingJay]

"An influential group of Buddhist monks in Burma..." If they'd follow the noble path, the word "influential" would not be mentioned in any context concerning them! I am sick and tired of peole who hide behind uniforms (religious or otherwise) while performing tasks in a way that directly opposes what they are either praying or teaching.

In my opinion religious leaders and/or groups should shut up and refrain from any political activities, in Burma, here in Thailand or elsewhere, especially the ones who try to force their very own twisted interpretation of their religion onto others while babbling hollow "holy" phrases...

Just saw a Thai monk buy a 16.000 THB smart phone at Lotus yesterday. What for does a monk - given that he is a 100% committed to Buddha's teachings - need a 16k phone? Is it not so that a 1.990 THB one would have done the trick with 14.010 THB left to give to the needy, or to buy school books or medicine for an orphanage? Hypocrites sicken me!

Edited June 23, 2015 by MockingJay

[bangon04]

Apparently some are ignorant of their own religions, because they have never read or searched. Most what Islam is criticized for is in Christianson and Judaism. Do some efforts and go teach yourself.

Christians and Jews have learned (at least most of them) to vent their bigotry in a non-violent fashion and can be almost sidestepped in society by non-believers.

Yes the Christians were hopelessly inhumanly violent and bent on wholesale persecution for centuries right up to the 17th century. Hopefully most of us have learned from their mistakes. A few notable exceptions even in the 20th century.

What is the excuse for violent assimilation or extermination of "non-believers" in the 21st century???

Really :-)

I didn't know fascism and Nazism stopped in 17th century. Kkk and other supremacists group don't exist it's only a fiction....

Distortions of history or minds? Just wondering

Really: Which part of "A few notable exceptions even in the 20th century" was difficult to understand? By the way I would not class the Nazi fascist movement as a Christian organisation.

[arjunadawn]

Bible quotes that's very peaceful, if you need more just ask:

The LORD is a jealous God, filled with vengeance and wrath. He takes revenge on all who oppose him and furiously destroys his enemies! The LORD is slow to get angry, but his power is great, and he never lets the guilty go unpunished. He displays his power in the whirlwind and the storm. The billowing clouds are the dust beneath his feet. At his command the oceans and rivers dry up, the lush pastures of Bashan and Carmel fade, and the green forests of Lebanon wilt. In his presence the mountains quake, and the hills melt away; the earth trembles, and its people are destroyed. Who can stand before his fierce anger? Who can survive his burning fury? His rage blazes forth like fire, and the mountains crumble to dust in his presence. The LORD is good. When trouble comes, he is a strong refuge. And he knows everyone who trusts in him. But he sweeps away his enemies in an overwhelming flood. He pursues his foes into the darkness of night. (Nahum 1:2-8 NLT)

Great! Whats the point? Through time men have had d..k swinging contests and this applies also to their proclamations about their gods. So, your god can do this and that, my god does that and this. Ok. But this is not a relevant context, IMO. The relevant context is the man who asserts his god is great and commands his worthy faithful, the best among men, to slaughter, rape, convert, tax, and socially order the world until the time islam is global and the entire world is in submission- House of Submission, dar al islam. Islam means submission, not peace. This direct authority to war, maim, convert, and destroy all non believers exists no where else on earth as a mandate for all times with a history of all times of the religion's history noting just this mandate, and fulfilling it. Finding other examples in different faiths of some unpleasant characteristics of a presumed god only does that, noted distasteful deity. This is the nexus that defined islam ideologically as distinct from all other religions on earth. It is a social, military, judicial, religious, and economic model that is binding upon both the faithful and others. The entire fabric of this is called sharia and is entirely predicated upon a chain of being that has as its central component the subjugation and ordering of slaves and non believers. So, whereas you can find numerous "very peaceful" bible or related quotes non of them exist in the category of virulent to others.

Society will variously reach for handholds to ward off the coming darkness and it may frenetically appear as bans on headscarves, ban on arabic names, reduced immigration, forced assimilation, decreased assistance, increased profiling, and those that shout "equality" will continue to overlook the elephant in the room- the problem is supremacy and that islam notes all others as inferior. Protesting the raped protesting the rapist is the sickest of society's evils. All these bans, decrees, regulations, laws, discussions, etc., have one thing in common: people are seeking to save themselves from the coming dark night.

[bangon04]

Christians and Jews have learned (at least most of them) to vent their bigotry in a non-violent fashion and can be almost sidestepped in society by non-believers.

Yes the Christians were hopelessly inhumanly violent and bent on wholesale persecution for centuries right up to the 17th century. Hopefully most of us have learned from their mistakes. A few notable exceptions even in the 20th century.

What is the excuse for violent assimilation or extermination of "non-believers" in the 21st century???

I so glad to read that the churches were only inhuman up to the 17th century----

bangon04 religion is an arm of the state control.....(that's why its taught in schools--no taxation ....etc ..etc) It will back whatever the state Army is at the time----there is nothing more graphic than that of the same churches in different countries in WW2--(not the 17th century) They stood by & allowed 6 million women children to be executed. & their main job was to back the state & tell the troops --Japan/ Germany Italy.....what a great job they were doing & how they would make it to heaven, no mention of virgins though ...........yer I am so glad our religion is so much different from those lunatic Muslims....

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005206

Historically the German Evangelical Church (protestant) viewed itself as one of the pillars of German culture and society, with a theologically grounded tradition of loyalty to the state. The "German Christians" embraced many of the nationalistic and racial aspects of Nazi ideology. Once the Nazis came to power, this group sought the creation of a national "Reich Church" and supported a "nazified" version of Christianity.

.................................& the Catholics

Before 1933, some bishops prohibited Catholics in their dioceses from joining the Nazi Party. This ban was dropped after Hitler's March 23, 1933, speech to the Reichstag in which he described Christianity as the “foundation” for German values. throughout this period there was virtually no public opposition to antisemitism or any readiness by church leaders to publicly oppose the regime on the issues of antisemitism and state-sanctioned violence against the Jews.

Depends if you truly believe that Nazism was rooted in Christianity or maybe that Christianity and especially its weak leaders were used as tools in a propaganda war to justify ethnic cleansing.

Would you also believe that the IRA wars against society were genuine religious crusades or sectarian power struggle using religion as a hatecrime to further its support in the poorly educated?

Then we must ask if the ISIS movement is a genuine jihad on religious grounds , or yet another justification for sectarian war and ethnic cleansing, or even a simple blatant turf war. Are the Shiites slaughtering the Sunnis and vice versa because they genuinely cannot tolerate the differing interpretations of the word of Allah?

Maybe back in the 17th century the protestants slaughtered the catholics and vice versa because they genuinely could not live with the totally world changing belief in transubstantiation??

A cynic might think that all religion is a tool of the powerful to divide and conquer the poor and ignorant.....