Good luck wading through the reams of self indulgent facebook cr@p to get to the truth.

Remote wipes can be easily undone by forensic pc staff btw.

However, the mastermind is unlikely to be a person, but an idea that got started by word of mouth among friends.

'....mastermind is unlikely to be a person....'

why not?

Here's a comment I'm aware of, supposedly from a senior policeman, to the effect 'The detailed statement made by this 'group' is written in the exact style used by other folks already 'seen' in the other camp' and from what's known of these students well beyond their current capabilities in terms of details and arguments.

Does anyone really believe Lord Valdemort na Dubai has given up his fight?

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It's a pity the police never made a similar announcement about the initial suspects in the Koh Tao case.

Why would they? It could have led to guilty parties.

So the police don't really know who the "mastermind" is. This in spite of a number of very public statements.

Is there a remote chance these students were not being led by the nose as the police seem to think but are capable of independent thought and decided to protest off their own bat? Just maybe they are not happy with the concept of democracy, however flawed, being trampled over by the junta.

If they were smart, the students would have only members of the junta in the phones they left with the lawyer, with a couple of (missed?) calls to some prominent generals phones.

Why didn't they protest in regard to the trampling on democracy exercised for a number of years by the previous mob?

You mean the yellow mob which shut down the airports or the red mob which beseiged the Ratchaprasong downtown Bangkok for weeks, or the yellow mob which occupied Silom, Lumpini and other parts of Bangkok for months triggering the 2014 coup?

No, I think he means the Yingluck Thaksin administration that passed many illegal laws without following due process and tried to pass a 'blanket' amnesty bill to forgive all of their own transgressions plus those going back to 2004 (more than 27,000 cases of corruption and law-breaking by politicians) and also attempting to illegally change the Thai Constitution to give themselves permanent power. Don't be obtuse.

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Who's car was searched? One of the students? Or the lawyer?

You can't make this level of idiocy up.

You mean like there in absolutely NO possibility that these kids were put up to this charade and their drama of refusing bail so they become martyrs for the cause? Time, and investigation, will tell if this is a plot to prevent the reform of the Thai political system or to incite others to insurrection.

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If there's anyone in Thailand that is an expert on inciting insurrections, it has been the Royal Thai Military. I have yet to see students overthrow any Thai government.

Probable Cause and Search Warrent

In hand, I guess

Under Article 44 none is required.

So the police don't really know who the "mastermind" is. This in spite of a number of very public statements.

Is there a remote chance these students were not being led by the nose as the police seem to think but are capable of independent thought and decided to protest off their own bat? Just maybe they are not happy with the concept of democracy, however flawed, being trampled over by the junta.

If they were smart, the students would have only members of the junta in the phones they left with the lawyer, with a couple of (missed?) calls to some prominent generals phones.

No they are not smart - lets see if they really did engage in these protests with through their own volition!!

Think I know who is going to be right and it ain't you my friend.