timonase Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Dear all, is it still posssible to pay the maximum overstay amount of 20.000 baht, no matter how long the overstay is, when flying out? Or has this rule been changed, recently ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 The maximum fine of 20,000 baht has not been changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timonase Posted July 2, 2015 Author Share Posted July 2, 2015 Just to confirm, one would not run into trouble, if going to the airport and simply paying the fine, no matter how long the overstay was? regards timo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Just pay the fine and leave no matter how long the overstay is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowretired Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Trouble is risked if the police discover the overstay prior to the arriving at the airport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangmai Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I believe there is blacklisting involved but it is not nearly as severe if you do it voluntarily, which it seems like you would be doing, but I'm not sure if they view clearing it up at immigration the same as the airport. Off topic, but I saw where they had an immigration round up in Sihanoukeville a few weeks ago. Went business to business. I saw the manager of the last guesthouse I stayed at, picture in the newspaper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ubonjoe Posted July 2, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2015 I believe there is blacklisting involved but it is not nearly as severe if you do it voluntarily, which it seems like you would be doing, but I'm not sure if they view clearing it up at immigration the same as the airport. There is no blacklist or ban for overstay. An announcement made by immigration over a year ago was never approved by a higher authority. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangmai Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 That should be a relief to many. They even published the schedule of penalties, and I even had to sign off that I read it, when doing a 90 day report. Thanks for clearing that up, UJ. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paz Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Off topic, but I saw where they had an immigration round up in Sihanoukeville a few weeks ago. Sihanoukville is in Cambodia isn't ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilo Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 11 years overstay cleared at Suvarnabhumi last august fine 20k baht and was able to return.....don't expect the red carpet treatment but if you are polite and respectful they are equally so. As stamp had to be entered into a new passport the procedure was somewhat perhaps more time consuming in my case than for others so allow for plenty of time. I had to sign various forms most seemed in relation to two variations of the proposed overstay rules which have NOT since come into force. It is nerve wracking if like me your overstay is hideously long but best to bite the bullet and face it. At least now it is clear that the blacklisting rules are not in force, when I exited it was extremely uncertain and thus all the more stressful. While they were clearly not pleased with the extreme length of my overstay by the time I concluded matters the senior I/O who was overseeing it became more relaxed ans assured me that I wasn't blacklisted (as indeed proved to be the case when I returned a few days later). You can PM me if you are still worried, but I simply followed UbonJoe's advice and all was well. But better sorted out as soon as you can manage. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khastan Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I recently renewed my marriage extension at Nong Khai. Has part of the process they handed me a form which I had to sign. I cannot remember what it said precisely but they were various penalties for overstays over three months, most of which implemented a penalty of being barred from entering Thailand depending on the length of overstay and if you were caught or volunteered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theguyfromanotherforum Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Can you overstay then overstay again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HooHaa Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I believe there is blacklisting involved but it is not nearly as severe if you do it voluntarily, which it seems like you would be doing, but I'm not sure if they view clearing it up at immigration the same as the airport. Off topic, but I saw where they had an immigration round up in Sihanoukeville a few weeks ago. Went business to business. I saw the manager of the last guesthouse I stayed at, picture in the newspaper. what a lot of old twaddle. BTW, you are aware that Sihanoukville is in Cambodia are you not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario2008 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I recently renewed my marriage extension at Nong Khai. Has part of the process they handed me a form which I had to sign. I cannot remember what it said precisely but they were various penalties for overstays over three months, most of which implemented a penalty of being barred from entering Thailand depending on the length of overstay and if you were caught or volunteered? That is standard practice, but the new rules have not come in effect. So why you have to sign it is beyond me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mario2008 Posted July 2, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2015 Can you overstay then overstay again? Yes, you can even overstay, overstay again and again. If they will like it is another matter, if you blatantly flout the rules by overstaying and directly overstaying again and again you can at some point expect troubles. Nobody mind a short overstay, but a total disregards for the rules will not be liked. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangmai Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I believe there is blacklisting involved but it is not nearly as severe if you do it voluntarily, which it seems like you would be doing, but I'm not sure if they view clearing it up at immigration the same as the airport. Off topic, but I saw where they had an immigration round up in Sihanoukeville a few weeks ago. Went business to business. I saw the manager of the last guesthouse I stayed at, picture in the newspaper. what a lot of old twaddle. BTW, you are aware that Sihanoukville is in Cambodia are you not? That's where many head to after they wear out there welcome in LOS...it's on a lot of people's radar, that's why I mentioned it, and even warned that it was off-topic, but of interest to some. You are aware that you are an a$$hole, are you not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khastan Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 (edited) I recently renewed my marriage extension at Nong Khai. Has part of the process they handed me a form which I had to sign. I cannot remember what it said precisely but they were various penalties for overstays over three months, most of which implemented a penalty of being barred from entering Thailand depending on the length of overstay and if you were caught or volunteered? That is standard practice, but the new rules have not come in effect. So why you have to sign it is beyond me. Beyond me too if it is not the law, strange. Edited July 2, 2015 by khastan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khastan Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I recently renewed my marriage extension at Nong Khai. Has part of the process they handed me a form which I had to sign. I cannot remember what it said precisely but they were various penalties for overstays over three months, most of which implemented a penalty of being barred from entering Thailand depending on the length of overstay and if you were caught or volunteered? That is standard practice, but the new rules have not come in effect. So why you have to sign it is beyond me. I have no idea when I queried it they just said sign so having no alternative I did! Strange if you say it is not the law though. Perhaps Nong Khai immigration are getting prepared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilo Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 (edited) On re-admission that senior lady I/O strongly warned me against even a further one day overstay. Given the length that I had it was more than reasonable and I for one do not intend to find out what action they might deem to take should I overstay again. And in all fairness they would be well within their rights to throw the proverbial book at me were I to overstay again. I suspect like many things in Thailand context is everything. People who habitually overstay a day or two each time may continue to be tolerated while other more long term over-stayers might find they become persona non gratia for contempt by overstaying again. It would be interesting to know if anyone has (foolishly) done multiple long overstays. Edited July 2, 2015 by gilo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivas Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 On re-admission that senior lady I/O strongly warned me against even a further one day overstay. Given the length that I had it was more than reasonable and I for one do not intend to find out what action they might deem to take should I overstay again. And in all fairness they would be well within their rights to throw the proverbial book at me were I to overstay again. I suspect like many things in Thailand context is everything. People who habitually overstay a day or two each time may continue to be tolerated while other more long term over-stayers might find they become persona non gratia for contempt by overstaying again. It would be interesting to know if anyone has (foolishly) done multiple long overstays. Farcical. You overstay 11 Years and they let you back in. Dont bother retorting or anyone else for that matter as any sane individual will agree its ludicrous in the extreme. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabis Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Back-to-back exempts were endorsed and even encouraged by the immigration officers a few years back - so even 11 years of overstay might go under the same bounds - as long as you're willing to pay the fine - instead of hopping over the border - now that things are a bit different, still feels same-same, except it's harder to get legitimate visas - well that's in itself a crackdown of sorts. TiT, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paz Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 (edited) I have no idea when I queried it they just said sign so having no alternative I did! Strange if you say it is not the law though. Perhaps Nong Khai immigration are getting prepared. Not prepared, they got obsoleted. More practical offices have gave up with scaremongering since a long time. Edited July 2, 2015 by paz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccarbaugh Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Last month, while extending my Retirement Visa, I was ordered to read and sign the progressive overstay/blacklisting form- I asked for a copy to show a friend. I was told that they couldn't give me a copy of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sivutov Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I cleared my 199 days overstay yesterday without any trouble. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jspill Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 (edited) Farcical. You overstay 11 Years and they let you back in. Dont bother retorting or anyone else for that matter as any sane individual will agree its ludicrous in the extreme. Thankfully Thailand is a bit more laid back than the western mindset. That said in some European countries you can be let through without a fine, or any admonishment, and are free to return. At the discretion of the IO. Edited July 3, 2015 by jspill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khastan Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I have no idea when I queried it they just said sign so having no alternative I did! Strange if you say it is not the law though. Perhaps Nong Khai immigration are getting prepared. Not prepared, they got obsoleted. More practical offices have gave up with scaremongering since a long time. How do you know that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khastan Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Last month, while extending my Retirement Visa, I was ordered to read and sign the progressive overstay/blacklisting form- I asked for a copy to show a friend. I was told that they couldn't give me a copy of it. I also was refused a copy of what I signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jspill Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Farcical. You overstay 11 Years and they let you back in. Dont bother retorting or anyone else for that matter as any sane individual will agree its ludicrous in the extreme. 'I overstayed a year and half in France - I went to turn myself in, and they said they couldn't care less. No fines, no anything. I was brought to Paris as a guest of the mayor's office - even they didn't bother to get me the right visa to begin with, because they said it didn't matter. I overstayed in Berlin (Schengen region) a year, and traveled all over Europe from there by airport the whole time. No fines, no anything. I overstayed in Poland by 4 months, the officer said when I was leaving, 'What were you doing here all this time?' (4 months + 3 months automatic), and I explained I was working as an artist. Ok. No fines, no anything.' Source - http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/744965-thailand-immigration-confirms-new-overstay-rules-are-now-official/page-13#entry8138907 'EU doesn't care about overstay.' - http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/744965-thailand-immigration-confirms-new-overstay-rules-are-now-official/page-13#entry8138901 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jspill Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 How do you know that? He's basically a mod. See this thread. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/801613-harsh-overstay-rules-ever-enforced/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Trouble is risked if the police discover the overstay prior to the arriving at the airport. People should not be overstaying, they are making things worse for those of us who don't, although I can understand a short overstay for those who make a genuine mistake, but for the people who go and pay their 20.000 Baht, they should not ever be allowed back in to Thailand. Just think how easy it would be for genuine people to holiday or retire here, if people would or could not work illegally, or overstay etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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