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Koh Tao: Trial opens for 2 accused of killing British tourists

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JohnThailandJohn Gold Member

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You do realize both a guilty and non-guilty verdict can be appealed. How does the judge believing neither side will accept the verdict without a fight, if not in their favor, indicate a sick show?

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Briggsy Diamond Member

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The person states it is Nom Sot captured by the camera and says he or she thinks Nom Sod is running to get the key to the resort's private boat. The key is kept in the restaurant of the AC resort.

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Am I right in thinking a 'not guilty' verdict can be appealed by the prosecution and the accused be continued to be denied bail and thus held in custody during the lengthy appeals process?

fab99 Rookie Member

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You do realize both a guilty and non-guilty verdict can be appealed. How does the judge believing neither side will accept the verdict without a fight, if not in their favor, indicate a sick show?

Are you sure a non guilty verdict can be appealed in Thailand?

The law in this matter differs between countries, in murder crimes particularly I think. I may have jumped to a conclusion based on my supposition that a non guilty verdict can't be appealed.

If so, I stand corrected and I thank you for this clarification.

Andy twitted that the day will start with the defense cross examination of the CCTV witness, let's see if a few things can be clarified (the "non functional" CCTVs in very useful places and the identity of the running man mostly)

catsanddogs Advanced Member

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  • According to Pol.Col. Cherdpong, Witheridge was not confronted, harassed, interrupted, or trailed by any suspicious individuals while she and the others walked to AC Bar. “I studied hundreds of hours of footage to make sure of that, Your Honor,” he said today, citing this as evidence that the murder was not premeditated.

Only ONE police officer studying hundreds of hours of footage! That can't be trusted then.

berybert Gold Member

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GOLDBUGGY

Come on you guy s wise up. I have told you before this Goldbuggy is a troll , the mouth piece for the Island mafia. If you choose not to take heed , this is your problem. Everyone knows that.

Everyone knows that.

Yes, everyone knows that if someone doesn't agree with them they must be paid stooges, members of a mafia or in some way connected to the murders and the cover up everyone knows about, because how could it be possible for someone to disagree with them?

That's the same "everyone knows that" the two men on trial are scapegoats, the same "everyone knows" who the real murderers are, the same "everyone knows that" there's a vast conspiracy to hide everything.

"Everyone" is taking their beliefs and granting them the status of knowledge; I posit that "everyone" should try to demonstrate a modicum of intellectual honesty, separate what they want to believe from what they actually know and act accordingly.

I know that so far everything the prosecution have presented as evidence has been as solid as soggy toilet paper.

I guess is the next 3 days are as productive for them as the last 3 you will still be 100% behind them.

catsanddogs Advanced Member

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  • Miller is then seen walking back towards Chopper Bar in a visibly drunken state, according to Pol.Col. Cherdpong. Miller can be seen punching the air with his right arm.

'Visibly drunken state'!!!!!! Let's see it so we can accept this statement! Why was there only a selection of footage shown to the public? Why not this one? Maybe David was buying sunglasses because someone had stolen his or he had broken/lost them. Maybe he was punching the air because of some football game result as men are prone to do when sober as well as when drunk! GRRRR so angry about all this. Is the court supposed to believe that all the footage available has been shown by this policeman who it seems all alone to have watched hundreds of hours of it and came to his own conclusions?

Briggsy Diamond Member

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He was reported to be studying at Bangkok University. I don't know if he still attends classes. (The newspapers are not likely to report that) Knowing Bangkok University, non-attendance would be no bar to him attaining a degree. rolleyes.gif

glenmohr Explorer Member

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Another poster raised the issue of Nomsod not being on trial.

However if Nomsod ran all the way from Bangkok to collect the keys for the family boat, which were kept at AC bar, then that particular matter should be referred to the Guinness Book of Records to discover whether Nomsod's running was wind assisted. It was no surprise that he was walking in the final clip, he must have been very tired.

catsanddogs Advanced Member

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I disagree without the media following it would have been slam dunk.

Three judges oversaw the trial today. The lead judge, who was highly engaged throughout the hearing, suggested that the verdict in October is unlikely to settle the matter once and for all; he personally advised the prosecutor to prepare the CCTV footage in a more simple format “so that it will be easy for both of you in the Appeal Court.”

Result!!

They think David and Hannah left through a back door but don't have cctv of that.

Bring on the defence.

Well isn't that damn handy that they left through a back door! Should that read 'escorted through a back door' maybe? 'They think' just isn't good enough. Someone knows for certain if they left through a back door. Where are these people that know for goodness sake? As you say, bring on the defence and make it sharp.

catsanddogs Advanced Member

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The person states it is Nom Sot captured by the camera and says he or she thinks Nom Sod is running to get the key to the resort's private boat. The key is kept in the restaurant of the AC resort.

Strike! Now we're getting somewhere.

catsanddogs Advanced Member

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You do realize both a guilty and non-guilty verdict can be appealed. How does the judge believing neither side will accept the verdict without a fight, if not in their favor, indicate a sick show?

Are you sure a non guilty verdict can be appealed in Thailand?

The law in this matter differs between countries, in murder crimes particularly I think. I may have jumped to a conclusion based on my supposition that a non guilty verdict can't be appealed.

If so, I stand corrected and I thank you for this clarification.

Andy twitted that the day will start with the defense cross examination of the CCTV witness, let's see if a few things can be clarified (the "non functional" CCTVs in very useful places and the identity of the running man mostly)

Like.

catsanddogs Advanced Member

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Another poster raised the issue of Nomsod not being on trial.

However if Nomsod ran all the way from Bangkok to collect the keys for the family boat, which were kept at AC bar, then that particular matter should be referred to the Guinness Book of Records to discover whether Nomsod's running was wind assisted. It was no surprise that he was walking in the final clip, he must have been very tired.

Haha! Duracel powered no doubt. AAA's.

Dogmatix Ruby Member

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Am I right in thinking a 'not guilty' verdict can be appealed by the prosecution and the accused be continued to be denied bail and thus held in custody during the lengthy appeals process?

Yes, and they can also appeal the appellate court's decision to the Supreme Court and keep the accuse in prison.

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Darkknight666 Newbie

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There is much more out there for anyone who can creativity search the net... Focus on Thai gore/crime blog/Thai rescue services Facebook posts. Also, Dj's not bright enough to edit Instagram, Twitter etc.

berybert Gold Member

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Can this be verified or do we just have their say so again?

I thought he was ruled out when his DNA didn't match. Just how many times do they have to try to convince people it wasn't him, to encourage people to believe it was him

He was in school

His DNA didn't match

His phone records prove he was in Bangkok.

And all the while he isn't on trial.

Now onto the people who are on trial. Lets see if you can provide one bit of solid evidence it was them. Put a hundredth of the effort into some real evidence to prove it was them as you have to prove it wasn't Nom.

P.S. None of the evidence you have provided to convince us it wasn't him holds much water.

loonodingle Silver Member

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Hannah entered the AC Bar 1 hour before David entered. She was alone. She also left her phone with her friend so she obviously didn't want to be disturbed. David left his mate Chris Ware at the room and went back out.

All CCTV stops at the AC Bar.

Make of that what you will.

If you was so bothered about your status then you would release it. Unless you had something to hide. Moreover its a legal requirement to have CCTV in Bars in Thailand.

Had a nice stay in the Naughty room now unleashed upon you all again.

silverado Explorer Member

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The person states it is Nom Sot captured by the camera and says he or she thinks Nom Sod is running to get the key to the resort's private boat. The key is kept in the restaurant of the AC resort.

lots are thinking that it was nomsod who was captured by the cctv in koh tao... lots are thinking that it was not a "small" man

https://www.facebook.com/CSILA90210/videos/vb.596740650403664/728749213869473/?type=3&theater

Darkknight666 Newbie

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Can this be verified or do we just have their say so again?

I thought he was ruled out when his DNA didn't match. Just how many times do they have to try to convince people it wasn't him, to encourage people to believe it was him

He was in school

His DNA didn't match

His phone records prove he was in Bangkok.

And all the while he isn't on trial.

Now onto the people who are on trial. Lets see if you can provide one bit of solid evidence it was them. Put a hundredth of the effort into some real evidence to prove it was them as you have to prove it wasn't Nom.

P.S. None of the evidence you have provided to convince us it wasn't him holds much water.

Ok, berybert (aka NomSod friend)

Show some evidence coward boy was at school, verifiable by more than one person.

Next, if he's innocent, release DNA results. While he's at it, give a dental imprint.

If his phone records clear him, why can't the public verify that like any normal country? Why can't defense teams or journalists record or verify any evidence?

We're supposed to take the accused (NOT Zaw and Win) at their word? And the RTP at their word?

Allow me to speak for a large portion of westerners here, Get Bent.

This case means something to us and we won't let it go, collectively, we will make sure Hannah and David's brutal deaths aren't swept under the tainted KT sand.

AleG Platinum Member

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The person states it is Nom Sot captured by the camera and says he or she thinks Nom Sod is running to get the key to the resort's private boat. The key is kept in the restaurant of the AC resort.

Strike! Now we're getting somewhere.

No, it's just the same baseless speculation that for the last 10 months have produced a grand total of zero credible evidence on who the "real murderer(s)" are.

Just because someone said something on the Internet doesn't make it true.

Dogmatix Ruby Member

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  • At around 10pm, Miller and Witheridge - who arrived on the island separately but were staying at the same hotel - join friends at Chopper Bar in the northern part of Sairee beach to watch a football match.
  • Witherige and three other British friends, named Emma, Matthew, and Tom, leave Chopper Bar at around midnight and head south towards AC bar, which they enter at around 12:30am.
  • According to Pol.Col. Cherdpong, Witheridge was not confronted, harassed, interrupted, or trailed by any suspicious individuals while she and the others walked to AC Bar. I studied hundreds of hours of footage to make sure of that, Your Honor, he said today, citing this as evidence that the murder was not premeditated.
  • At around the same time that Witheridge and the others entered AC Bar, Miller and his friend, Christopher, are seen leaving Chopper Bar and heading south towards AC bar.
  • The pair later separates, with Christopher stopping at a convenience store.
  • Miller is then seen walking past AC bar and showing no intention to enter, Pol.Col. Cherdpong told the court.
  • Miller walks towards his hotel, where he presumably stays for around 20 minutes.
  • Miller is then seen walking back towards Chopper Bar in a visibly drunken state, according to Pol.Col. Cherdpong. Miller can be seen punching the air with his right arm.
  • Miller arrives at Chopper Bar around 1:40 am to find it closed for the night. He then walks east into an alley, stopping to buy a pair of sunglasses at a convenience store, which he hangs on his shirt.
  • CCTV footage shows Miller turning back towards AC Bar again, which had a small crowd of foreign tourists gathered outside its entrance. Pol.Col. Cherdpong said he believes Miller was looking for a place to drink and was told by tourists that AC Bar is open late. He is seen entering the bar at around 2 am.
  • There was no more footage of Miller and Witheridge, who police believe left AC Bar through a back exit onto the beach. AC Bar is one of the few bars that opens directly onto the beach, according to Pol.Col. Cherdpong. The officer said footage obtained from the entrance of the bar did not show any sign of Miller and Witheridge.

The investigative officer also showed the judges dozens of video clips allegedly reconstructing the movement of the two suspects and a third person, who were seen buying beer, cigarettes, and heading toward Sairee beach on a motorcycle with a guitar on the night of the murder, 15 September 2014.

Pol.Col. Cherdpong also showed the court footage of a small Asian man who was seen running back and forth several times between 3 and 5 am on the night of the crime. According to the officer, the man was traveling between the crime scene on the southern part of the beach and a Burmese community nearby.

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1437573990

"Visibly drunken state". But the pages of the police autopsy reports that were posted on line said there was no trace of alcohol or illicit drugs in either David or Hannah.

Blackfox Senior Member

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The person states it is Nom Sot captured by the camera and says he or she thinks Nom Sod is running to get the key to the resort's private boat. The key is kept in the restaurant of the AC resort.

lots are thinking that it was nomsod who was captured by the cctv in koh tao... lots are thinking that it was not a "small" man

https://www.facebook.com/CSILA90210/videos/vb.596740650403664/728749213869473/?type=3&theater

Yes definitely however, it'll take someone not only to finger him there but solid proof.

Unless the defence has a credible witness and preferably more in addition to tangible evidence, it will be difficult.

The incompetent and corrupt RTP make a shoddy adversary when trying to determine truth.

Dogmatix Ruby Member

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Can this be verified or do we just have their say so again?

I thought he was ruled out when his DNA didn't match. Just how many times do they have to try to convince people it wasn't him, to encourage people to believe it was him

He was in school

His DNA didn't match

His phone records prove he was in Bangkok.

And all the while he isn't on trial.

Now onto the people who are on trial. Lets see if you can provide one bit of solid evidence it was them. Put a hundredth of the effort into some real evidence to prove it was them as you have to prove it wasn't Nom.

P.S. None of the evidence you have provided to convince us it wasn't him holds much water.

Ok, berybert (aka NomSod friend)

Show some evidence coward boy was at school, verifiable by more than one person.

Next, if he's innocent, release DNA results. While he's at it, give a dental imprint.

If his phone records clear him, why can't the public verify that like any normal country? Why can't defense teams or journalists record or verify any evidence?

We're supposed to take the accused (NOT Zaw and Win) at their word? And the RTP at their word?

Allow me to speak for a large portion of westerners here, Get Bent.

This case means something to us and we won't let it go, collectively, we will make sure Hannah and David's brutal deaths aren't swept under the tainted KT sand.

The police would have needed more than just records from a mobile phone company that could be easily faked to exonerate a person of no consequence, e.g. a foreigner. Funny that Bkk police didn't investigate his alibi with greater rigor after he had been fingered by a senior policeman on the spot and didn't find it suspicious that he went into hiding for a few days, when they wanted to question him, and only re-emerged after he had lawyered up.

balo Ruby Member

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Apologies in advance if this breaks any rules. However.... Read this gent's.

This is just gossip and you know it. Nomsod was at Uni in Bangkok and is no longer a suspect. Also the DNA test proves that,

loonodingle Silver Member

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http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1437573990

Three judges oversaw the trial today. The lead judge, who was highly engaged throughout the hearing, suggested that the verdict in October is unlikely to settle the matter once and for all; he personally advised the prosecutor to prepare the CCTV footage in a more simple format “so that it will be easy for both of you in the Appeal Court.”

balo Ruby Member

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Have a look fellas. He was dressed for school that morning, never made it to class! Or was late as balls.

What is your agenda here , CSI LA has been spreading spreading gossip all day long. That doesnt prove anything about Nomsod and where he went the times he was not attending class. He had a girlfriend at that time , he was in Bangkok , living his student life.

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