M1Tanker Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Does anyone have any experience in purchasing the following for a used pickup (i.e. Toyota Hilux Vigo, Isuzu D-MAX, etc.)? Crate engine (NOTE: short block - everything between the cylinder head and the oil pan (excluding those items), long block - a short block, with mounted and gasketed cylinder head, valves and camshaft, crate engine - often more than a long block, including intake manifold, and carburetor or fuel injection system, and perhaps an alternator.) It is basically a complete engine that requires just bolting in and wiring and hoses connected. Crate engines are typically new engines purchased from the original equipment manufacturer (OEM). Rebuilt engines New automatic transmissions from OEM Rebuilt automatic transmissions I am interested in cost, quality, availability, and guarantee. I am also interested in a shops’ skill at installing the aforementioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1Tanker Posted July 14, 2015 Author Share Posted July 14, 2015 I suppose no one has any practical experience with purchasing a crate or rebuilt engine or a new or rebuilt automatic transmission and installation in a used pickup in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 There have been a couple of posters before you asking similar questions / having a similar plan, but no follow up. I guess they all gave up on the idea. Importing car parts requires import permits and running the gamut with customs. The general advice most give here is to try and find what you want already in Thailand. Try musclecarthailand.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualbiker Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 I'm guessing that most people who blow an engine here just get a 2nd hand one from the numerous daily wrecks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1Tanker Posted July 15, 2015 Author Share Posted July 15, 2015 There have been a couple of posters before you asking similar questions / having a similar plan, but no follow up. I guess they all gave up on the idea. Importing car parts requires import permits and running the gamut with customs. The general advice most give here is to try and find what you want already in Thailand. Try musclecarthailand.com The premise for the question is buying a cheap(er) pickup in Thailand with a straight solid body and frame that may need a engine rebuild or replacement or transmission rebuild or replacement. Can a quality crate/rebuilt engine or new/rebuilt transmission be sourced in Thailand? Are there quality shops that can provide the engine or transmission and install it properly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 There have been a couple of posters before you asking similar questions / having a similar plan, but no follow up. I guess they all gave up on the idea. Importing car parts requires import permits and running the gamut with customs. The general advice most give here is to try and find what you want already in Thailand. Try musclecarthailand.com The premise for the question is buying a cheap(er) pickup in Thailand with a straight solid body and frame that may need a engine rebuild or replacement or transmission rebuild or replacement. Can a quality crate/rebuilt engine or new/rebuilt transmission be sourced in Thailand? Are there quality shops that can provide the engine or transmission and install it properly? You may want to ask TV member EvilDrSomkid, he may know a bit about this. I have been looking quite a bit around for engines, not refurbished ones but 2nd hand engines. There are MANY shops around in Samuth Prakan, Bangkok, Nonthaburi and Patum Thani. My gut feeling is that it shouldn't be too difficult to find what you're looking for. If you speak Thai I'd recommend to start off at the scrapyard centre in Bang Plii at BangNa-Trat km 12. Its a BIG area with many many shops that sell quality engines as well as scrap engines. Look around and talk to the people there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1Tanker Posted July 15, 2015 Author Share Posted July 15, 2015 melvinmelvin, Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Brand new long motors are not that expensive here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1Tanker Posted July 15, 2015 Author Share Posted July 15, 2015 Brand new long motors are not that expensive here. Can they be purchased through the dealership (Toyota, Isuzu, etc.)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1Tanker Posted July 15, 2015 Author Share Posted July 15, 2015 Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 I'm guessing that most people who blow an engine here just get a 2nd hand one from the numerous daily wrecks! My wife took our 2001 Ford Ranger pickup down to BKK a few days ago and by the time she got there it was really running rough. Her brother took it to the shop to fix the problem which turned out to be bigger than I thought. Part of the problem is that though my wife speaks reasonable English, technical English is out of her scope. She came back in her brothers car and we had a conversation with her brother in BKK, my wife here, a good friend who speaks good English and is internet savvy and me. My wife asked the questions of her brother, passed them on to the friend who worked them out on the internet and showed me the answers. It seems as though we had the chance of another engine from a wreck with no idea of the age, condition or mileage for about 40,000 baht, the possibility of a new engine from Ford, price unknown but certainly not cheap, the possibility of a reconditioned engine, price unkown or getting our engine stripped and rebuilt for about 26,000 baht. With 322,xxx on the engine already we have decided to get our engine stripped and rebuilt which will take about 3 days. By the way all the prices are Thai prices and not falang prices as I am not allowed to be seen in the loop anywhere. One thought for the OP. If you buy a car etc and change the engine you MUST get a bill/receipt from where you got the engine as it will have to be entered as a change in the cars blue book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1Tanker Posted July 15, 2015 Author Share Posted July 15, 2015 billd766, Thank you for the account and the blue book reminder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 billd766, Thank you for the account and the blue book reminder. We are supposed to go down to BKK (400km away) on Friday night when her brother is supposed to cellect the truck and come back home on Sunday. I will post again when/if we get back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 what sort of rebuild are you getting for 26k ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualbiker Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 what sort of rebuild are you getting for 26k ? A 26k rebuild! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Brand new long motors are not that expensive here. Interesting.. got any examples of what's in-stock and prices? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Brand new long motors are not that expensive here. Interesting.. got any examples of what's in-stock and prices? Only heresay from guys at work. One put a new long in his 3.0 Tuna, it was 150k. Another converted his 2.2 Ranger to 3.2. the long was 140k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Brand new long motors are not that expensive here. Interesting.. got any examples of what's in-stock and prices? Only heresay from guys at work. One put a new long in his 3.0 Tuna, it was 150k. Another converted his 2.2 Ranger to 3.2. the long was 140k. I was thinking more along the lines of a 5.8L supercharged V8 in an Everest might be fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 what sort of rebuild are you getting for 26k ? I have no idea as the truck is in BKK 400 km away and my BIL is dealing with it. His English is not that good and his technical English is not as good as that. We are going down on Friday to get the pickup and I will find out how good over the next few months. It is a fairly simple non-common rail engine and from what I remember from many years ago when I used to strip and rebuild car engines it will probably get a rebore with new pistons and rings, probably new valves, crankshaft regrind and oversize bearings, new timing belt/chain, hopefully a new oil pump, gaskets etc. At a guess if I could find a brand new engine from the dealer I think I would be looking at about 100,000 baht but that is simply a guess based on the fact that when I bought the car in December 2001 it cost about 650,000 on the road. Back in the old days in the UK you could by an engine from several reputable companies that were reconditioned and part exchange your own or you could do as I used to which was strip and rebuild your own. There used to be specialist companies who would do the rebores and regrinds and I would do the rest to save on costs. Here I am stuck 400 km and behind a language barrier and the probable thought that if I did show up then prices would rise simply because I am a farang. As the car is older and still simple to work on we have a couple of places up her in rural Khampaeng Phet that are quite good and reasonably priced. I dread to think of the cost of the latest Ford Ranger 2.2 or 3.t diesel engine. With new cars nowadays all I can recognise is the battery, dipstick, radiator etc and to get a service you HAVE to go to the main dealer. Open the bonnet and almost everything is covered with the engine shield and a computer is needed just to talk to the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 I heard there is someone in Pattaya putting a 6.0 LS chev motor in a Ranger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 I heard there is someone in Pattaya putting a 6.0 LS chev motor in a Ranger. I'm not sure which founder is turning in their grave with that one - maybe both? On second thought, nar, just Henry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I finally went to Bangkok on Friday with my wife and son and she collected the truck on Saturday afternoon. We came back home on Sunday. My wife drove both ways as she doesn't like me to drive unless I am on my own. There are 2 bills, the lower amount was to "sort of" fix the original problem and the larger one for the rest of the work that they did. It is in Thai and if anyone can translate them I would be grateful. I know that they put another cylinder head on the engine, changed the belts, oil and filter but I don't know what else. The truck runs OK now. There are some photos of the cylinder head and the engine had done 322,xxx km when they changed it. It doesn't look in too bad a condition and the valve seats seem OK. The total cost was 26,720 baht. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1Tanker Posted July 25, 2015 Author Share Posted July 25, 2015 billd766, Thank you for posting the results of the most recent engine work. Can you elaborate on your statement "The truck runs OK now?" I have no idea what is described on your bills. I can't read Thai. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 billd766, Thank you for posting the results of the most recent engine work. Can you elaborate on your statement "The truck runs OK now?" I have no idea what is described on your bills. I can't read Thai. Thanks again. Sorry but I have had flu and whilst my brain and body occupied the same space there was a disconnect. The truck was running a bit rough but with 322,xxx km on the clock it has done very well with regular oil changes etc but no real deep servicing. It is now running better than it has for a while but I think at some time I will need to get the fuel injection system sorted out and possibly a proper overhaul in the future. Then it should be good for another 2 or 300,000 km. I will try to get a translation in the next day or two. The smaller bill was for a water pump at 1,870 bt, 2 drive belts at 250/300 bt, labour and I think the green inhibitor for the coolant. The larger bill was 16,000 bt for a cylinder head, new head, inlet and exhaust gaskets, probably 2,500 bt for labour costs as far as I can figure out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1Tanker Posted July 25, 2015 Author Share Posted July 25, 2015 billd766, Thanks for the additional information. Hope you are over the flu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarpSpeed Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 billd766, Thank you for posting the results of the most recent engine work. Can you elaborate on your statement "The truck runs OK now?" I have no idea what is described on your bills. I can't read Thai. Thanks again. Sorry but I have had flu and whilst my brain and body occupied the same space there was a disconnect. The truck was running a bit rough but with 322,xxx km on the clock it has done very well with regular oil changes etc but no real deep servicing. It is now running better than it has for a while but I think at some time I will need to get the fuel injection system sorted out and possibly a proper overhaul in the future. Then it should be good for another 2 or 300,000 km. I will try to get a translation in the next day or two. The smaller bill was for a water pump at 1,870 bt, 2 drive belts at 250/300 bt, labour and I think the green inhibitor for the coolant. The larger bill was 16,000 bt for a cylinder head, new head, inlet and exhaust gaskets, probably 2,500 bt for labour costs as far as I can figure out. 16? Looks like 23,760 to me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 billd766, Thank you for posting the results of the most recent engine work. Can you elaborate on your statement "The truck runs OK now?" I have no idea what is described on your bills. I can't read Thai. Thanks again. Sorry but I have had flu and whilst my brain and body occupied the same space there was a disconnect. The truck was running a bit rough but with 322,xxx km on the clock it has done very well with regular oil changes etc but no real deep servicing. It is now running better than it has for a while but I think at some time I will need to get the fuel injection system sorted out and possibly a proper overhaul in the future. Then it should be good for another 2 or 300,000 km. I will try to get a translation in the next day or two. The smaller bill was for a water pump at 1,870 bt, 2 drive belts at 250/300 bt, labour and I think the green inhibitor for the coolant. The larger bill was 16,000 bt for a cylinder head, new head, inlet and exhaust gaskets, probably 2,500 bt for labour costs as far as I can figure out. 16? Looks like 23,760 to me? The 16,000 was for the head only but the total bill came to 23,760. My friend next door who I hoped could translate for me has only limited engineering English and she doesn't recognise some of the terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarpSpeed Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 OK then......................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthurwait Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 First reciept Water pump bpump nahm gasket/sealant cant read all the writing coolant nahm yah moh nahm belt sahi pahn belt Second receipt cylinder head fah suub engine oil + oil filter nahm mam kruang + sai grohng cylinder head gasket Bpra gan fah suub gasket cant read all the writing jea bah + jea ???? valve seat grinding can't read all the writing valve stem seals (had to ask the wife can't read the writing. Valve hats is what she told me before showing valve stem seals on google image) wage kah rairng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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