Martial Law

[dukkha]

Martial Law, do some of you experts know the definitive meaning of this word, its implications for both thais and farangs, as it has been officially declared in Thailand.

[jdinasia]

Not much impact for the average folks

A tightening of closing times curfews etc in sensitive areas

a reduction/suspension of some rights ... like gathering in politocal groups.

The Military makes the laws for the time being.

Martial Law--- the law temporarily imposed upon an area by state or national military forces when civil authority has broken down or during wartime military operations.

[dukkha]

Theres no doubt about you JD, you are like pepper and salt, or should I say, nam pla and nam tam, in everything, wish I had your omniscience, thanks for the post Dukkha

[jdinasia]

What is to be murky about ....

This is just a blip .... but it is a blip with history here. Has happened over and over!

[petecooper]

For an interesting read on Martial Law, check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law

[dukkha]

Thanks Peter, always a balanced and rational reply from you. Dukkha

[Scott]

For the average person, martial law doesn't mean a lot--however, it's a good idea to keep a low profile and keep political rhetoric to a minimum. The military are not really the kind of people you want angry with you.

One of the things to remember is that the former PM had strong support based in the provinces. Taking control of Bangkok is not all that difficult. It may take a few days to assure that the rest of the country follows the lead. I suspect that they will, but the divisions in politics and society are still strong.

Remember, the military is trained to protect the country with weapons. They do that well, but they don't other things well--they have a real tendency to resort to guns and battles in any given situation. This is why it is such a big problem when the military goes in on a "humanitarian" operation. They just aren't trained to be very "humanitarian". They are trained to shoot.

Again, probably no problem, but mind your manners and you shouldn't have any problem.

[macb]

Just to support jd's input

1. Temporary rule by military authorities, imposed on a civilian population especially in time of war or when civil authority has broken down.

2. The law imposed on an occupied territory by occupying military forces.

This is the framework of Martial Law.

Martial law is defined as: military rule or authority imposed on a civilian population when the civil authorities cannot maintain law and order, as in a time of war or during an emergency.

Hitler turned Germany into a Nazi dictatorship through executive orders.

Executive Order 10995: All communications media are to be seized by the Federal Government. Radio, TV, newspapers, CB, Ham, telephones, and the internet will be under federal control. Hence, the First Amendment will be suspended indefinitely.

Executive Order 10997: All electrical power, fuels, and all minerals well be seized by the federal government.

Executive Order 10998: All food resources, farms and farm equipment will be seized by the government. You will not be allowed to hoard food since this is regulated.

Executive Order 10999: All modes of transportation will go into government control. Any vehicle can be seized.

Executive Order 11000: All civilians can be used for work under federal supervision.

Executive Order 11490: Establishes presidential control over all US citizens, businesses, and churches in time of "emergency."

Executive Order 12919: Directs various Cabinet officials to be constantly ready to take over virtually all aspects of the US economy during a State of National Emergency at the direction of the president.

Executive Order 13010: Directs FEMA to take control over all government agencies in time of emergency. FEMA is under control of executive branch of the government.

Executive Order 12656: "ASSIGNMENT OF EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS RESPONSIBILITIES", "A national emergency is any occurrence, including natural disaster, military attack, technological emergency, or other emergency that seriously degrades or seriously threatens the national security of the United States. Policy for national security emergency preparedness shall be established by the President." This order includes federal takeover of all local law enforcement agencies, wage and price controls, prohibits you from moving assets in or out of the United States, creates a draft, controls all travel in and out of the United States, and much more.

Martial law can be declared due to natural disasters, Y2k Crisis, Stock Market crash, no electricity, riots, biological attack, .... anything leading to the breakdown of law and order.

It is based on Martial relating to USA but basically similiar powers

macb

[TopChinese]

Waow... wikipedia is sure fast with updates:

(From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law)

Thailand

In January of 2004, the former Prime Minister of Thailand, Thaksin Shinawatra, declared a state of martial law in the provinces of Pattani, Yala, and Narathiwat in response to the growing South Thailand insurgency. On September 19, 2006, Thailand's Army declared martial law following a military coup in the Thai capital of Bangkok.

[Donz]

Martial law means you listen to me now. Whatever I say, you must do

[phibunmike]

Waow... wikipedia is sure fast with updates:

(From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law)

Thailand

In January of 2004, the former Prime Minister of Thailand, Thaksin Shinawatra, declared a state of martial law in the provinces of Pattani, Yala, and Narathiwat in response to the growing South Thailand insurgency. On September 19, 2006, Thailand's Army declared martial law following a military coup in the Thai capital of Bangkok.

- because it is updated by ANYBODY - and therefore should NOT be used as an authoritative reference (as people often do). It is NOT (or should not be) a respected dictionary or encyclopaedia.

[somchai jones]

What is to be murky about ....

This is just a blip .... but it is a blip with history here. Has happened over and over!

Agreed.

The only problem could arise if the military took it upon themselves to hang on to power, as in 91.

That's when scores of innocent protesters were gunned down. However, very unlikely.

Different circumstances this time around; the students and indeed the democracy groups that led the protests against the military after the 91 coup will this time be glad that Thaksin has been ousted and although he has support in the provinces, this will be cooled by the King's support for the coup.

[zeusbheld]

Waow... wikipedia is sure fast with updates:

(From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law)

Thailand

In January of 2004, the former Prime Minister of Thailand, Thaksin Shinawatra, declared a state of martial law in the provinces of Pattani, Yala, and Narathiwat in response to the growing South Thailand insurgency. On September 19, 2006, Thailand's Army declared martial law following a military coup in the Thai capital of Bangkok.

- because it is updated by ANYBODY - and therefore should NOT be used as an authoritative reference (as people often do). It is NOT (or should not be) a respected dictionary or encyclopaedia.

but weakie-pedia IS useful sometimes for summarizing things, and/or reviewing things you already know. and it is public domain (not copyrighted). if you cite it as a source to win a bet, however, you forfeit instantly...

one impact of martial law in this particular instance is that they made it illegal to hold political gatherings of more than 5 people. which makes sense, as there was apparently nearly a tussle last night, which was de-fused by soldiers.

other than that, though, martial law here seems almost invisible. business as usual. it was so much more spectacular in new york--we had f16s flying over in addition to the tanks, and i had to flash ID to get past checkpoints to my apartment.

my impression, in short, is that at least in bangers it is martial law-lite.

[taxexile]

martial law will be used (if necessary) more in the provinces than in Bangkok.

i doubt if it will affect ordinary people anywhere at all.

what the new administration will want to do now , and under constitutional law they would possibly be unable to do , is to prevent thaksin supporters and sympathisers from regrouping, forming alliances and organising any opposition to the coup , should an effective thaksin friendly opposition group become strong , then thaksin could return to Thailand and attempt to regain power.

with disastrous consequences.

he is that kind of "win at all costs" man.

[toptuan]

***withdrawn by poster***

Edited September 21, 2006 by toptuan

[taxexile]

because its always top of the google list.

[kayo]

Martial law means you listen to me now. Whatever I say, you must do

Ooohhh!!! Donz... You`re GOooooOD

[britmaveric]

martial law will be used (if necessary) more in the provinces than in Bangkok.

i doubt if it will affect ordinary people anywhere at all.

what the new administration will want to do now , and under constitutional law they would possibly be unable to do , is to prevent thaksin supporters and sympathisers from regrouping, forming alliances and organising any opposition to the coup , should an effective thaksin friendly opposition group become strong , then thaksin could return to Thailand and attempt to regain power.

with disastrous consequences.

he is that kind of "win at all costs" man.

Thing is martial law isnt forever and I seriously doubt TRT supporters will go away, so back to square one.

[jdinasia]

martial law will be used (if necessary) more in the provinces than in Bangkok.

i doubt if it will affect ordinary people anywhere at all.

what the new administration will want to do now , and under constitutional law they would possibly be unable to do , is to prevent thaksin supporters and sympathisers from regrouping, forming alliances and organising any opposition to the coup , should an effective thaksin friendly opposition group become strong , then thaksin could return to Thailand and attempt to regain power.

with disastrous consequences.

he is that kind of "win at all costs" man.

Thing is martial law isnt forever and I seriously doubt TRT supporters will go away, so back to square one.

But likely TRT WILL go away!

[Heng]

Under that brand name, yes. Interesting how no one notices (or wants to notice perhaps) that changing brand names here only involves changing the packaging and label, and not the product.

[ovenman]

Under that brand name, yes. Interesting how no one notices (or wants to notice perhaps) that changing brand names here only involves changing the packaging and label, and not the product.

What's the saying: old wine, new bottle?

[Cent]

JD,

"But likely TRT WILL go away!"

I doubt it. The party is still viable even without Taksin. They've won the past three elections, twice at least with decent numbers considered a landslide victory. Taksin may be unpopular, but the question remains to be seen if the party is dead without him at its head. The names may change, but the power brokers are likely to stay the same, except for Taksin himself. It'll be interesting to see what happens when democratic elections are again allowed by the junta. If the election result doesn't please them then what? Another coup? While I am no fan of Taksin and Taksinomics, what is the alternative? Coups are hardly part of a democratic system, no? Interesting times as they say. It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out in the next year or so.

Cent