fitnesspm Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 (edited) A couple weeks ago, I had a disagreement with about 4 Thai people where I walked away and went to a bar. Before i knew it, the 4 people had grown into 10 people waiting for me outside the bar. I try to sort things out and say sorry but before i knew it, i was jumped including by the Thais in the bar where I ran back to my Hotel. I had bruises up an down my arms and a couple knocks to my head. As soon as I was jumped by about 15 Thais, i ran for my life. My whole view on Thai people changed that day. At the bar, this westerner came up to me and said, "you don't want to mess with Thai people, the police don't really care about Farangs". Is this true??? "they look the other way" From what i've been told, Farang are discriminated. He also said, "if you mess with one, you mess with them all". Are Thai people really Racist and suffer from Xenophobia? Have a read from the links below which i found as well as the comments which may alarm people but is it true? "THE PHILIPPINES is globally the friendliest country to migrants, while Thailand has the biggest number of xenophobic citizens." "Because your average Thai lady has friend or family connections ( i.e. boyfriends, minor husbands , brothers, fathers, who are, in addition to just being violent trash in many cases, are also...policemen, soldiers, ect); and sufficient to put your average Farang in the hospital or a bodybag, or make their lives such as hassle that they best move anyways." "Another thing that puts many farang men under their Thai wives thumb is the fact that they often have kids together and if the relationship with the mother falters there is a better than 90% chance that the man can't take his kids out of Thailand; or even if he stays here (but splits with the wife)....his relationship with his kids can be seriously disturbed or even severed." "So basically the odds are very heavily stacked against farang in Thailand." http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/practicalities-of-living-in-thailand/8015-thailand-asias-most-xenophobic-nation.html "When we first moved to Chiang Mai, my wife and I were looking at schools for my son, we were told by a few schools that they do not accept children of mixed race." "The understanding of equality, human right, etc., is like in Europe some 100 years ago." "I have lived in Thailand on and off for over 6 years and during this time I have endured countless experiences of inconsiderate Thai people being rude, impolite, showing no manners, lack of respect, name calling, cold staring, constantly watching, ignorant, cheating, lying, etc the list goes on. Kiss goodbye to any respect or human rights you may have thought you had, as soon as you pass through immigration welcome to the land of the corrupt. I learnt basic Thai language to in order to communicate more effectively and found that they were not interested in speaking with me lol! My wife is Thai and her family have even called me several names in the past. I fell in love with Thailand as a country years ago whilst traveling, I moved here years later and quickly realised that the Thai people are indeed very jealous, bitter, resentful and dislike foreigners immensely. The children are taught that they are the best and that foreigners are evil lol! The Thai are the evil ones. It can be a very negative place to live, I even hear children swearing and saying 'Farang Get Out' in Thai! You would think that being married to a Thai lady life would be easier? Think again, the Banks here wouldnt even open me a bank account! When dealing with Immigration officials on occasion they were unhelpful and rude. Thailand is the most corrupt place on earth, someone could kill me and nothing would be done the police are very corrupt. Living here sometimes indeed I wish I was dead. Fortunately I plan to leave the country soon and vow never to return, if you are thinking about coming here to live think again, behind their smiles are a corrupt rotten people. Thailand is not what it seems, they love the farang money but hate the farang as they call us. But forgive the Thai people for their sins, as they are not the most intelligent people, in fact most seem pretty stupid, they cannot compete with the rest of the world, thats why they cheat, lye and are corrupt as hell. I am generalising a little of course but you get the idea, come to Thailand to experience it for yourself you will soon see what I mean. I am counting the days until I leave and that keeps me positive!" http://travelinasia.hubpages.com/hub/thailand-racism Edited July 25, 2015 by fitnesspm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somtamnication Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Don't feed the troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoiBiker Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Thai people are not all the same. Like people from any other country, some of them are nice, some are unpleasant. If you decide they're all one thing or another, you can certainly find enough anecdotal evidence to feed your confirmation bias. But they're just people like anywhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipperylobster Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Depends. what the circumstances leading up to your facing a Thai gauntlet were.In most situations I have found it takes a lot to put them over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fitnesspm Posted July 25, 2015 Author Share Posted July 25, 2015 (edited) Don't feed the troll. i'm not trolling, all my experiences in Thailand have been good except this one. I've been here for 3 months and really enjoy Thailand but if I get into trouble, I want to know that I will be safe! The story about the 2 murdered Britian's backpackers on Koh Tao got me thinking due to the police not doing a good investigation. Edited July 25, 2015 by fitnesspm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovelomsak Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 What happened to you is true about people. Places like bars and disco donot attract the cream of the crop in any country. Thailand is no different than any other country. Go to paces where booze and sex and drugs are present you will find unsavory people. Thats where the people who live by fear, intimidation, and violence go. So learn how to live within the rules or face the consequences. Pretty simple. If you sleep with dogs you will likely get fleas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fab5BKK Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Agreed, it takes a lot to put them over the top... or just a few beers :-( Depends. what the circumstances leading up to your facing a Thai gauntlet were.In most situations I have found it takes a lot to put them over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewsterbudgen Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 The same thing can and does happen anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fitnesspm Posted July 25, 2015 Author Share Posted July 25, 2015 What happened to you is true about people. Places like bars and disco donot attract the cream of the crop in any country. Thailand is no different than any other country. Go to paces where booze and sex and drugs are present you will find unsavory people. Thats where the people who live by fear, intimidation, and violence go. So learn how to live within the rules or face the consequences. Pretty simple. If you sleep with dogs you will likely get fleas. Very true! I just don't look at Thai people the same since what happened.... The police do protect Farangs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachproperty Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 (edited) Best advice I can give...... Don't get in an arguement with a Thai....Don't insult them ....Don't challenge them In the West we fight to win....In Thailand they fight to kill Personally have lived in Thailand over 10 years and NEVER had a confrontation ....so for me never a problem. Edited July 25, 2015 by beachproperty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dao16 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Funny how you didn't explain the "argument." What was that about? What did you say? There are lines in every culture--maybe you crossed one here (I'm not going to waste time mentioning them...they should be apparent). But the answer to the other part is, yeah, problem with one, problem with all, basically. The question is never "who did you fight?" but "how many were there?" This is true in most of Asia. Of course, if you are with locals who know you, that dynamic changes (again, depending on how much of an @*$ you are being). I have been to many places where things turn violent much more quickly than here, often involving weapons of different types. Overall, Thailand is chill if you are respectful of people--and no, I don't mean cowering to all locals, just treating them like human beings with dignity. So, I am not doubting your story, but it would be informative to know what, exactly, you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Grumpy Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Ah, Thai raised Thais. Aren't they just adorable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DP25 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Funny how you didn't explain the "argument." What was that about? What did you say? There are lines in every culture--maybe you crossed one here (I'm not going to waste time mentioning them...they should be apparent). He can't explain the argument because this entire story never happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asheron Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 What happened to you is true about people. Places like bars and disco donot attract the cream of the crop in any country. Thailand is no different than any other country. Go to paces where booze and sex and drugs are present you will find unsavory people. Thats where the people who live by fear, intimidation, and violence go. So learn how to live within the rules or face the consequences. Pretty simple. If you sleep with dogs you will likely get fleas. "Bars" and "discos" attract the normal people of any nation. Just because someone has a lot of money does not make that person any better than the homeless begger, in fact my experience is that people with lots of money are arrogant dickheads compared to the average "Billy Bob". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailandforumaddict Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Oh this thread is not yet closed, is it because it will bring a lot of money with ads ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyscot Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 A couple years back at one of our local night markets I chased and rugby tackled a Thai guy who had a couple months earlier fooled my wife (and admittedly me) into some item purchase that wasn't quite as described without going into too much detail, after I picked him up from the ground by the scruff of his neck I found about 30 or more Thais around me, although at the time I wasn't concerned in what their interests were, I later on found they were all supportive of me due to the scamming nature of this guy I was holding and his gang,, my later visits to the local night market were greeted by smiles and sawadee's from the local stall holders to my wife's amusement,, so I'd say depending on circumstance Thais like I think has been mentioned earlier are mostly just as friendly as other nationalities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weegee Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Oh no!....not this crap again.....It's been done a hundred times before already this year....(at least twice a week)... Give it a rest will ya...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brit_Doggie Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Keep one's head we are guests in a 3rd world country saying sorry and walking away usually does the trick, i for 1 choose losing face over being done over but then i don't go out looking for trouble either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostoday Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Weren't you the Aussie bloke who was going to marry the Thai girl and get a job and work in Thailand? What happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuestHouse Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 The same thing can and does happen anywhere. I've been an expat for over 25 years, in which time I've worked in countries across Asia, the Middle East, Europe and the Americas. Thailand is the only place I've witnessed locals mob-attacking westerners. I'm making no judgement on the OP's report only to say that his report of being attacked by a gang of Thai men is consistent with attacks I have witnessed and with similar attacks more than one friend of mine has suffered in Thailand. Those objecting to the OP's report ought perhaps to consider the importance for foreigners to understand just how out of hand a simple argument can get in Thailand. I agree with those giving their opinion that it takes a lot to push Thai people over the edge - the problem is, it may not be the person who is at risk of a beating that actually pushed their assailant(s) to the edge. Thai culture causes Thai people to internalise their anger - it commonly explodes with violence when it breaks the surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerojero Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 (edited) One can get into a fight outside a western bar just as easily if you're a dork, macho or can't shut your mouth. Mind your own business, keep controversial conversation among friends and you never will be in a fight! Edited July 25, 2015 by jerojero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willyumiii Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 You are not in Faraangland anymore. Your values and culture did not fit in your suite case when you came here..they are not here. You have three options: 1) Learn how to behave. 2) Leave the country. 3) Die Up To You! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostoday Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 The same thing can and does happen anywhere. I've been an expat for over 25 years, in which time I've worked in countries across Asia, the Middle East, Europe and the Americas. Thailand is the only place I've witnessed locals mob-attacking westerners. I'm making no judgement on the OP's report only to say that his report of being attacked by a gang of Thai men is consistent with attacks I have witnessed and with similar attacks more than one friend of mine has suffered in Thailand. Those objecting to the OP's report ought perhaps to consider the importance for foreigners to understand just how out of hand a simple argument can get in Thailand. I agree with those giving their opinion that it takes a lot to push Thai people over the edge - the problem is, it may not be the person who is at risk of a beating that actually pushed their assailant(s) to the edge. Thai culture causes Thai people to internalise their anger - it commonly explodes with violence when it breaks the surface. I agree with you about South East Asia but in America it is quite common behavior in places like East St. Louis or the South Side of Chicago or a meeting of members of the Democrats party where another person can be identified as an outsider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooked Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 I threatened and publicly shouted at a local politician shortly after getting here (8 dogs , wife with iron bar and SIL as back up). I'm still alive I certainly won't do that again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
konying Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Next time you have disagreement with 4, make sure to knock them all out, before going to the bar to get drunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketboybkk Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 The op is obviously not retired special forces unlike me!! I'd have taken the gang out swiftly & retreated to my erv. Wouldn't have broken a sweat & had a nice tea while discussing the small skirmish with my other SF best friends I'd just met. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirtless Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Just remember you are only tolerated in the Kingdom for your money nothing else, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostoday Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Just remember you are only tolerated in the Kingdom for your money nothing else, If my dog found a pork chop she would offer me a bite before she took one. Why just last night she offered me a dead rat she had just killed. Doesn't sound like much to you but among dogs that is dog love. More than one women in Thailand has vouched for meat the hospital when I couldn't talk and told the doctors she would be responsible for my bills when she didn't know if I could pay. I think you speak for yourself (as we all do) and perhaps you will find the same situation in any country you are in more because of your personality and attitude than geography. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenKong Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 "The Philippines is globally the friendliest country to migrants, while Thailand has the biggest number of xenophobic citizens." I've not visited all the countries in the world so I cant comment on them, but of the countries in Asia that I have visited I would say that the above quote is perfectly true. As for farangs being ganged-up on, yes it definitely happens here. But I cant imagine it happening so much in the Philippines, if at all. In fact in the RP I would expect many Filipinos to be on the side of the farang. Very, very different cultures and people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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