Prayut irritated by attacks on charter draft as vote nears

[Linky]

so be fore there has even been an election Abhist is talking already about changing the charter and the difficulties that would involve as a reason to reject the current offering.

This is exactly why we had a revolt and collapse of the last government, it is exactly why every government has failed these last 20 years because every time a government is in office they want to remove barriers that will allow them to thieve and cheat, making this charter extremely difficult to change was a primary goal from the start and a very good one

Ask the most powerful man on the planet "The American President" how difficult it is to change or amend the constitution, in fact ask him how difficult it is to get a health bill through the senate and into law lol never mind the constitution

as for having a panel to keep an eye on the government - it seems that Thai governments cannot be trusted so having such a panel representing the peoples interests might just work - bodies like the courts AG DSI Police and NACC etc should have been doing it but it seems they can be all be politically manipulated so that hasn't worked, having a panel that step in and red card the government although not ideal might just work

I thought the reason there was a 'revolt' was because a maniac called Suthep, at the behest of the elite, went around threatening to kidnap an elected PM and her children, threatened little kids and their teachers in schools and refused to allow a new election so the military could step in and have a not-a-dictator divvying up the spoils? I didn't realise it was because people were criticising the constitution that was the result of the previous coup...

I thought a bunch of looney, violent red shirts threatened to kidnap Prayut's daughter and cheered the murders of innocent market goers, typical of you to forget about that. Were you one of the crazies that kept shouting "agent provocateur" when Suthep and the PDRC were being bombarded on a nightly basis? Probably, because that is your bias, "the PDRC were bombed? must have done it themselves. Delusional Thaksin supporter or what.

You thought wrong.

[phoenixdoglover]

so be fore there has even been an election Abhist is talking already about changing the charter and the difficulties that would involve as a reason to reject the current offering.

This is exactly why we had a revolt and collapse of the last government, it is exactly why every government has failed these last 20 years because every time a government is in office they want to remove barriers that will allow them to thieve and cheat, making this charter extremely difficult to change was a primary goal from the start and a very good one

Ask the most powerful man on the planet "The American President" how difficult it is to change or amend the constitution, in fact ask him how difficult it is to get a health bill through the senate and into law lol never mind the constitution

as for having a panel to keep an eye on the government - it seems that Thai governments cannot be trusted so having such a panel representing the peoples interests might just work - bodies like the courts AG DSI Police and NACC etc should have been doing it but it seems they can be all be politically manipulated so that hasn't worked, having a panel that step in and red card the government although not ideal might just work

I thought the reason there was a 'revolt' was because a maniac called Suthep, at the behest of the elite, went around threatening to kidnap an elected PM and her children, threatened little kids and their teachers in schools and refused to allow a new election so the military could step in and have a not-a-dictator divvying up the spoils? I didn't realise it was because people were criticising the constitution that was the result of the previous coup...

I thought a bunch of looney, violent red shirts threatened to kidnap Prayut's daughter and cheered the murders of innocent market goers, typical of you to forget about that. Were you one of the crazies that kept shouting "agent provocateur" when Suthep and the PDRC were being bombarded on a nightly basis? Probably, because that is your bias, "the PDRC were bombed? must have done it themselves. Delusional Thaksin supporter or what.

When did that happen? When did they threaten to do that? Please, tell me. I didn't even know he had a daughter and why would anybody threaten to kidnap her particularly when he said (lied) that he had no interest in being a PM and he wanted both sides to talk? You've been taking to many disco biscuits methinks

13 January 2014, next time look it up yourself. I know you like to spew your anti everything rhetoric without the inconvenience of facts, but here you go. http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/army-slams-red-shirt-activists-abduction-threat-2

So just to clarify...Regarding the Generals daughter...

A guy posted the threat on Facebook.

And it got "liked" and "shared".

Pretty mild compared to the stuff my wife's friends put on there.

I thought Suthep's threat was more serious, as it occurred in the real world.

Edited August 26, 2015 by phoenixdoglover

[dukebowling]

How about the General keeping his word to the king that he would not have another coup?

[jayboy]

so be fore there has even been an election Abhist is talking already about changing the charter and the difficulties that would involve as a reason to reject the current offering.

This is exactly why we had a revolt and collapse of the last government, it is exactly why every government has failed these last 20 years because every time a government is in office they want to remove barriers that will allow them to thieve and cheat, making this charter extremely difficult to change was a primary goal from the start and a very good one

Ask the most powerful man on the planet "The American President" how difficult it is to change or amend the constitution, in fact ask him how difficult it is to get a health bill through the senate and into law lol never mind the constitution

as for having a panel to keep an eye on the government - it seems that Thai governments cannot be trusted so having such a panel representing the peoples interests might just work - bodies like the courts AG DSI Police and NACC etc should have been doing it but it seems they can be all be politically manipulated so that hasn't worked, having a panel that step in and red card the government although not ideal might just work

Ehhh sorry to burst your bubble mate but the US has been breaking the constitution for years.

There's also a little thing call executive order.

And how many war's (military/police actions) have there been that didn't follow there constitution?

Thailand's last constitution was fine, needed some more work but basically ok, THAT'S why as soon as the PM took power away from the people he gave him and his partners in crime complete and full immunity, or you forget that little chest nut?

So you support a PM calling the media NOT to report on anyone that criticizes the draft charter? only those that support it have the right to agree, Yu'p that's freedom isn't it.

Thailand's last constitution was fine? And the justice system and law enforcement top notch too.

Did you miss the constant bickering and court cases because of different interpretations of the vague bits in the constitution? That's why they needed a Constitution Court which made rulings which PTP tried to influence, remember dear Chalerm reminding the judges of the consequences of the "wrong" decision? And if the politicians didn't like the court ruling, then they openly said they would not obey it,

Those criticizing, or jumping on the bandwagon copying others, now had the chance to be part of the process for a new constitution. But, of course they only want to make changes that favor themselves, forward their own interests. Now they squeal because a proposal might not be in their interests. Complete toads, the lot of them.

As for the PM. He's a military career senior officer who thinks leadership is about giving orders and having them followed. Does anyone think he'll change style overnight, or even ever? He's not used to backchat - or even someone expressing the slightest little difference, let alone major ones. Do as you're told or else. I seriously question if anyone dare tell him how making statements like this appears to people. So he probably thinks it's o k for the "boss" to act like this.

Not having a process whereby the leader can be contradicted or even decisions debated is one of the reasons Thailand is saddled with what is turning out to be its most incompetent government in living memory.It is already its most illegitimate. An advantage of democracy is that the people can always turf the bums out.All we have to look forward to now is George Orwell's vision of a boot stamping on our face.

Your comments on the critics of the Junta's Charter are both despicably mean spirited and ignorant.The whole point of the charter is to retain power in a narrow privileged circle and exclude the Thai majority's final say.That cancer needs to be excised before worrying too much about the critics of despotism.

[tajtom]

Drafts, CCTV, Kao Tao, Bars, Immigaration, Special Police, Thaksin, bla bla bla

All night long all night,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, an oldie but a goodie

You can draft up all year long son nothing will ever change here. You know that its all a decoy

[jerojero]

If he feels irritation, maybe he should try baby powder.

[gk10002000]

Look, do you want anybody to have a vote or a say in things? If so, then be prepared for possible disagreements. If you are not going to give anybody or any agency any voting or review and change rights, then you have a 100% dictatorship.

what he said was directed straight towards polititians from past and present and he is right, they had their chance for 30 years to work for a better good and got nowhere so shut your gob and let us try to make changes for the future that may just work

Abhist is already remarking on how difficult it will be to make charter amendments "SO IT (DELETED) SHOULD BE"

Ridiculous post Smedly. Military rule followed by incomplete charters and constitutions that are thrown away for convenience, citizens and a country that is unwilling to abide by the constitution. All this means the cycle will continue over and over again. Power elite don't want to give it up. Things come to a boil, there are protests, revolt, military steps in, makes "changes", etc. Then things just repeat all over again and will continue to do so, unless the majority and certainly those that have military power believe and institute a proper constitution. There will always be disagreements between, classes, economies, rural versus urban people etc. But continually allowing the military to step in is probably not the answer. (not sure they have ever truly stepped out)

[Thai at Heart]

Until Thailand can understand the meaning of an independent judiciary, any constitution is an ice cube in anyone's Johnny and coke.......

[daveAustin]

Pathetic and puerile.