NCPO explains why it rejects UDD’s public discussion on draft charter

[Lite Beer]

NCPO explains why it rejects UDD’s public discussion on draft charter

BANGKOK: -- National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) spokesman Colonel Winthai Suvaree explained why the junta has disallowed the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship to hold a public discussion with the media on the draft constitution.

He said the NCPO had to stick to its original guideline to seek cooperation from all sectors to refrain from holding activities which may cause public confusion, may affect efforts to promote unity or may affect the political roadmap.

He said that, of late, some UDD core members had steadily expressed their opinions on the draft charter with the media all along and, on various occasions, they made remarks in a way which is damaging to the NCPO or leading the public to have negative perception against the junta.

These have been factored in by the NCPO in considering the UDD’s request to hold the public discussion, said Colonel Winthai.

He went on pointing out that the UDD’s written request lacked details such as the names of the speakers.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/ncpo-explains-why-it-rejects-udds-public-discussion-on-draft-charter

-- Thai PBS 2015-09-05

[Anthony5]

In other words, we have decided that the temple keeps the Thai people poor and we will keep them stupid.

[Lite Beer]

Junta Nixes Redshirt News Conference

By Khaosod Eng.

BANGKOK — The event and place were to be the same but the hosts different.

Four days after granting permission for supporters to endorse the draft charter, the military government said today it has rejected a request by Redshirt leaders to do the same tomorrow, citing concerns about “negative attitudes.”

In answer to a public event staged Tuesday by conservative activist Suthep Thaugsuban, Jatuporn Pompan of the United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship requested permission from military authorities to hold their own event at the same venue, Bangkok’s InterContinental hotel, where they were expected to announce their opposition to the proposed constitution prepared under the military’s oversight.

"Recently, many members of the UDD have expressed their opinions through the media, and we find that their messages are efforts to build political discourse that accuse NCPO, and to mislead the public into having negative attitudes toward NCPO by presenting false or inaccurate information, junta spokesman Col Winthai Suvaree said today. “These behaviors are major information that we used in our deliberation."

Read More: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1441438134

-- Khaosod English 2015-09-05

[Reigntax]

Did they all study the same Dr Seuss books. "the crap from the trap" or " how to toss like your boss"

[Hardback]

There's never any middle ground here. For the last decade the pendulum has swung from one extreme to the other. The Junta do not represent a third way, it's just the old way.

[Blackfalds]

If anyone is still confused about the double standards thing, let this disavow you of that puzzlement.

If you recall, anti-democrat Suthep Thaugsuban calling a very public press conference to trumpet his support for the democracy crippling draft constitution. Good enough he declared! Support it he demanded!

Suthep is not restricted, but those from the other side of the equation are. Suthep is a supporter. It seems only critical voices are to be silenced. Anyone else can line up to speak.

In reality however, some objectives have been reached. It will simply propel those who were denied, go to plan 'B".

This is an affront to them. This idiocy is getting huge circulation, and in some way exceeds what a Press Conference could. The details of the thing are well known anyway and doesn't need reiteration in a Press Conference. Also the notion that Suthep influenced anyone who wasn't already disposed to his version of things is mistaken. He probably incited more people against this thing than the other way around.

Wow, interesting times to observe all of this from the sidelines for us inconsequential Farangs.

Edited September 5, 2015 by Blackfalds

[Just1Voice]

So, for groups who have "positive outlooks", like the PDRC, it's just fine and dandy to have a gathering and news conference on the charter, but for groups, such as UDD, who don't have the "positive outlook", then gatherings and news conferences are forbidden. Yeah, that's real clear, isn't it.

Edited September 5, 2015 by Just1Voice

[Fat Haggis]

What goes around comes around..it would seem the Junta are actually intent in antagonising the already volatile situation and have absolute no intentions of any sort of reconciliation process.

[Jon Wetherall]

Junta Nixes Redshirt News Conference

By Khaosod Eng.

BANGKOK — The event and place were to be the same but the hosts different.

Four days after granting permission for supporters to endorse the draft charter, the military government said today it has rejected a request by Redshirt leaders to do the same tomorrow, citing concerns about “negative attitudes.”

In answer to a public event staged Tuesday by conservative activist Suthep Thaugsuban, Jatuporn Pompan of the United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship requested permission from military authorities to hold their own event at the same venue, Bangkok’s InterContinental hotel, where they were expected to announce their opposition to the proposed constitution prepared under the military’s oversight.

"Recently, many members of the UDD have expressed their opinions through the media, and we find that their messages are efforts to build political discourse that accuse NCPO, and to mislead the public into having negative attitudes toward NCPO by presenting false or inaccurate information, junta spokesman Col Winthai Suvaree said today. “These behaviors are major information that we used in our deliberation."

Read More: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1441438134

-- Khaosod English 2015-09-05

Honestly, you couldn't make this stuff up.

I doubt they could do a better job if these people deliberately set out to make themselves look ridiculous

Keep it up fellas. Keep it up!

[Jon Wetherall]

What goes around comes around..it would seem the Junta are actually intent in antagonising the already volatile situation and have absolute no intentions of any sort of reconciliation process.

Ya think?

[jayboy]

So at least we know what we're dealing with here,To borrow from Evelyn Waugh"s Guy Crouchback:

"The enemy at last was plain in view, huge and hateful, all disguise cast off."

[Tatsujin]

Do as I say, not as I do. Simple.

[Srikcir]

"leading the public to have negative perception against the junta."

The NCPO and Prayut are guilty of that without any help from third parties.

[yellowboat]

Fighting men afraid of words. There is no greater cowardice.

[slapout]

Jatuporn should be in jail thus not capable for asking for permission to have a tent revival, his style. He has proven time and again that he has nothing to contribute to the business sector, society nor family. Keep him in his place, 6 foot under or a long way away from respectable citizens.

[mikemac]

If anyone is still confused about the double standards thing, let this disavow you of that puzzlement.

If you recall, anti-democrat Suthep Thaugsuban calling a very public press conference to trumpet his support for the democracy crippling draft constitution. Good enough he declared! Support it he demanded!

Suthep is not restricted, but those from the other side of the equation are. Suthep is a supporter. It seems only critical voices are to be silenced. Anyone else can line up to speak.

In reality however, some objectives have been reached. It will simply propel those who were denied, go to plan 'B".

This is an affront to them. This idiocy is getting huge circulation, and in some way exceeds what a Press Conference could. The details of the thing are well known anyway and doesn't need reiteration in a Press Conference. Also the notion that Suthep influenced anyone who wasn't already disposed to his version of things is mistaken. He probably incited more people against this thing than the other way around.

Wow, interesting times to observe all of this from the sidelines for us inconsequential Farangs.

This topic is about the NCPO rejecting the UDD's public discussion on the Draft Charter yet your comment was nothing but a Suthep bash, managing to mention his name no less than four times.

....................................Suthep is not restricted, but those from the other side of the equation are. Suthep is a supporter. It seems only critical voices are to be silenced. Anyone else can line up to speak.........................................

You really have mastered the art of stating the obvious !

And the more you use the term "anti-democrat" the more people are going to think you are Bannum opinions reincarnated.

[aussieinthailand]

All in favor of the charter, ok have fun, All those opposed not a chance, forget about it.

There now you see just the other day we were told there is freedom of speech in Thailand and nothing to worry about, Ok got it

Waiting for those few to retrieve the irretrievable and bring the spin, Now that would be spin that even Shane warn would be proud of.

[mikemac]

"leading the public to have negative perception against the junta."

The NCPO and Prayut are guilty of that without any help from third parties.

The majority of the public, especially the ones old enough to remember more than a few coups (anyone my age would have been alive for no less than eight) would probably be a tad apathetic when it comes to juntas taking power.

[tx22cb]

All this power, all this control, and no opposition nor oversight.

Next week, NIDA will release a Poll which shows 87.36% support for allowing Suthep's news conference, and 79.14% support for banning the Reds' conference.

It would not surprise me if the results of the Charter Referendum are already being manufactured and stored in a secret warehouse somewhere (showing that 34 million voted, with 68.13% supporting the Charter).

[rubl]

If anyone is still confused about the double standards thing, let this disavow you of that puzzlement.

If you recall, anti-democrat Suthep Thaugsuban calling a very public press conference to trumpet his support for the democracy crippling draft constitution. Good enough he declared! Support it he demanded!

Suthep is not restricted, but those from the other side of the equation are. Suthep is a supporter. It seems only critical voices are to be silenced. Anyone else can line up to speak.

In reality however, some objectives have been reached. It will simply propel those who were denied, go to plan 'B".

This is an affront to them. This idiocy is getting huge circulation, and in some way exceeds what a Press Conference could. The details of the thing are well known anyway and doesn't need reiteration in a Press Conference. Also the notion that Suthep influenced anyone who wasn't already disposed to his version of things is mistaken. He probably incited more people against this thing than the other way around.

Wow, interesting times to observe all of this from the sidelines for us inconsequential Farangs.

"democracy crippling draft"

That's like saying we're against, 'nuff said. Missing is the 'obvious', or 'clearly for all to see'.

My understanding is that politicians are against as it restricts them in their previous almost unrestricted position to 'be someone' and even date to mention 'responsibility', 'accountability' and such.

[lovelomsak]

If the UDD want to heard they should show up at the next Suthep held press conference and voice their opinions there. If they give the audience time to talk or ask questions. Let Suthep creat the opportunity.

[Jon Wetherall]

If anyone is still confused about the double standards thing, let this disavow you of that puzzlement.

If you recall, anti-democrat Suthep Thaugsuban calling a very public press conference to trumpet his support for the democracy crippling draft constitution. Good enough he declared! Support it he demanded!

Suthep is not restricted, but those from the other side of the equation are. Suthep is a supporter. It seems only critical voices are to be silenced. Anyone else can line up to speak.

In reality however, some objectives have been reached. It will simply propel those who were denied, go to plan 'B".

This is an affront to them. This idiocy is getting huge circulation, and in some way exceeds what a Press Conference could. The details of the thing are well known anyway and doesn't need reiteration in a Press Conference. Also the notion that Suthep influenced anyone who wasn't already disposed to his version of things is mistaken. He probably incited more people against this thing than the other way around.

Wow, interesting times to observe all of this from the sidelines for us inconsequential Farangs.

"democracy crippling draft"

That's like saying we're against, 'nuff said. Missing is the 'obvious', or 'clearly for all to see'.

My understanding is that politicians are against as it restricts them in their previous almost unrestricted position to 'be someone' and even date to mention 'responsibility', 'accountability' and such.

You might be right buit I doubt it.

What most people who are against it are saying is that the people elect a government and then that government is subject to the decisions of an unelected cabal who are appointed by hangers on of you-know-who.

Kind of defeats the object really - might as well not have any elections, save the money to be distributed among deserving army types and continue trying to persuade the world to believe you even know what the word 'democracy' means.

Easier, less complicated. very 'appropriate'.

[Linky]

It looks like Thailand could follow the US train of thought. You have the right to bear arms against a rogue govt.

Its a matter of when, not if, you cannot suppress the people who voted in the last elected govt and I would never blame them for fighting back in a way they chose.

[oneday]

Every day this non-elected, illegal government digs their hole deeper and deeper.

"...the NCPO had to stick to its original guideline to seek cooperation from all sectors to refrain from holding activities which may cause public confusion, may affect efforts to promote unity or may affect the political roadmap..."

No one with half a brain would believe the drivel that comes out of their mouths.

[rubl]

It looks like Thailand could follow the US train of thought. You have the right to bear arms against a rogue govt.

Its a matter of when, not if, you cannot suppress the people who voted in the last elected govt and I would never blame them for fighting back in a way they chose.

Democratically of course. Shoot at 'the others', drop the odd grenade. Perfectly acceptable, to some that seems.

[rubl]

Every day this non-elected, illegal government digs their hole deeper and deeper.

"...the NCPO had to stick to its original guideline to seek cooperation from all sectors to refrain from holding activities which may cause public confusion, may affect efforts to promote unity or may affect the political roadmap..."

No one with half a brain would believe the drivel that comes out of their mouths.

They may not be elected by some former police Lieutenant-Colonel, but they are legal.

[MZurf]

If anyone is still confused about the double standards thing, let this disavow you of that puzzlement.

If you recall, anti-democrat Suthep Thaugsuban calling a very public press conference to trumpet his support for the democracy crippling draft constitution. Good enough he declared! Support it he demanded!

Suthep is not restricted, but those from the other side of the equation are. Suthep is a supporter. It seems only critical voices are to be silenced. Anyone else can line up to speak.

In reality however, some objectives have been reached. It will simply propel those who were denied, go to plan 'B".

This is an affront to them. This idiocy is getting huge circulation, and in some way exceeds what a Press Conference could. The details of the thing are well known anyway and doesn't need reiteration in a Press Conference. Also the notion that Suthep influenced anyone who wasn't already disposed to his version of things is mistaken. He probably incited more people against this thing than the other way around.

Wow, interesting times to observe all of this from the sidelines for us inconsequential Farangs.

This topic is about the NCPO rejecting the UDD's public discussion on the Draft Charter yet your comment was nothing but a Suthep bash, managing to mention his name no less than four times.

....................................Suthep is not restricted, but those from the other side of the equation are. Suthep is a supporter. It seems only critical voices are to be silenced. Anyone else can line up to speak.........................................

You really have mastered the art of stating the obvious !

And the more you use the term "anti-democrat" the more people are going to think you are Bannum opinions reincarnated.

"This topic is about the NCPO rejecting the UDD's public discussion on the Draft Charter yet your comment was nothing but a Suthep bash, managing to mention his name no less than four times."

Well, you and the other junta lovers have certainly shown the way;

A. "Nice weather today"

B. "but, but, but...Thaksin!"

A. "The price of petrol just dropped"

B. "but, but, but...Thaksin!"

Etc, etc....

[metisdead]

A post containing Nazi party generalizations has been removed as well as the replies.

A nonsense baiting post has bee removed as well as a reply.

[MZurf]

"leading the public to have negative perception against the junta."

The NCPO and Prayut are guilty of that without any help from third parties.

The majority of the public, especially the ones old enough to remember more than a few coups (anyone my age would have been alive for no less than eight) would probably be a tad apathetic when it comes to juntas taking power.

So you mean the population should apathetically just bend over and lift up the skirt??

[rubl]

"leading the public to have negative perception against the junta."

The NCPO and Prayut are guilty of that without any help from third parties.

The majority of the public, especially the ones old enough to remember more than a few coups (anyone my age would have been alive for no less than eight) would probably be a tad apathetic when it comes to juntas taking power.

So you mean the population should apathetically just bend over and lift up the skirt??

Only the female part.

On a more serious note, if last year the people and the grassroot organisations had en-masse registered to cooperate in the reform process they would have been able to steer matters by simply overwhelming the NCPO. The tactic of non-obstruction by non-cooperation has not worked in their favour.