UDD calls for 1997 Constitution reinstallation

[Srikcir]

Next they gonna mention that the amnesty bill to clear Thaksin if his crimes must be brought back too?

Wouldn't it be easier to just amend the Interim Charter and add Thaksin to the military's amnesty?

[Anthony5]

I wonder how many of the posters that have commented yet, and gonna comment later on, actually know all the details of the 1997 constitution or any other constitution for that matter.

[Srikcir]

No to the 1997 Constitution.

While both the 1997 and 2007 Constitutions were junta constructs, the 2007 Constitution was superior to the 1997 Constitution. Furthermore, the 1997 Constitution never had approval by a referendum while the 2007 Constitution did, albeit with a bare majority of people who voted and less than 25% approval of all registered voters.

Restore the previous caretaker government that formed after Yingluck's removal and the 2007 Constitution; reconstitute the National Assembly sans any MP or Cabinet member that was impeached during the Prayut regime. The Senate has no role in a caretaker government so its organization according to the 2007 Constitution would be irrelevant.

Develop a national representative process for creating a people's constitution suitable for a referendum. Using the voter results in the 2011 election might serve as a starting point.

The military must be regulated to strictly provide security as might be expected under the State of Emergency provision in the 2007 Constitution.

[choff56]

Now this is the typical reaction we can expect from the UDD. No constructive rebuttal, but simply denouncement and stating it is "my way or the highway". No ability to budge or meet anyone half way like normal democracies work. I would not be surprised if Jatuporn comes out and makes some hollow promises by suggesting that they will discuss red breasted birds or the like. The promises of which never ever eventuate.

We have a 1997 constitution that had undesirable consequence that resulted in a tyrannical prime minister, controlling a passive cabinet. The governing political party manipulated the constitutional doctrine and held absolute control in the Parliament that resulted in the executive checks and balances mechanism being skewed and thrown off balance.

Luckily in 2006 this monocratic megalomaniac was removed from power much to the joy of the majority. The coup leaders installed an interim constitution in the meantime. In a national referendum in August 2007, the majority of Thai voters approved the new constitution.

So we have a flawed constitution that allowed corruption to flourish and that foster dishonest manipulation of checks and balances much to the light of some so no wonder the UDD want it reinstated. Of course as per their standard play book they disrespect the majorities wishes who wanted the 2007 constitution so they can install a constitution that allows further abuse of the system at the majorities detriment.

The old chestnut of an excuse that the people were forced to vote for the 2007 constitution holds no weight either with the majority of Northerners voting AGAINST it. So this only reinforces that the majority of Thai's are not respected if the vote goes against a certain political party.

Oh, so now you want want to meet "half way". Wasn't the most opportune time "to have met half way" over the last fifeteen months plus, during the drafting of this failed draft charter. I'm not arguing for or against the 97 constitution, what i am saying is the millitary junta did not meet "half way" and have done nothing to reconcile the differences with the opposition. With that said, there is no "half way" so I guess Thais will find out where their destiny lies.

[choff56]

I wonder how many of the posters that have commented yet, and gonna comment later on, actually know all the details of the 1997 constitution or any other constitution for that matter.

I can't speak for all the posters but I do know my own personal constitution is way to weak to ever read any Thai constitution.

[Roadman]

Next they gonna mention that the amnesty bill to clear Thaksin if his crimes must be brought back too?

The only amnesty sought and granted was by the self appointed pm after committing treason. He can hardly complain about Thaksin although I enjoy knowing his mere existance annoys and scares the hell out of this junta.

Thaksin must be laughing his head off watching them fumble through their daily stuffups and hypocritical policy announcements.

If you are going to be taken seriously then try educating yourself rather than spouting the bull crap that you are and I suggest accusing some one of treason in Thailand when you are completely incorrect could land you in prison under some of their laws. The 1914 Martial Law Act B.E 2457 is a statue that has sat in thai governance since it repelled the same Act of 1907. That as a statue of law sets out the rules by which the Army can act and operate to which the Junta has.

Edited September 6, 2015 by Roadman

[Linky]

Next they gonna mention that the amnesty bill to clear Thaksin if his crimes must be brought back too?

In English?

ok. When in power, Thaksin's team tried desperately to pass a bill that would clear him of all the crimes he had committed.

One more time? Just let me know.

But it didnt pass

So one more time let me know how it failed?

Edited September 6, 2015 by Linky

[Enoon]

Next they gonna mention that the amnesty bill to clear Thaksin if his crimes must be brought back too?

In English?

ok. When in power, Thaksin's team tried desperately to pass a bill that would clear him of all the crimes he had committed.

One more time? Just let me know.

Thaksin! Thaksin! Thaksin! Thaksin! Thaksin! Thaksin! Thaksin!

[Linky]

So after all this work and the yellows still dont get voted in at the election, whenever that is, what happens then?

[smedly]

***********************UDD calls for 1997 Constitution reinstallation​**********************************

and the UDD are who exactly ?

never never ever going to happen, what might happen however is the same new charter with the reform committee clause removed

Thailand has seen the end to "rampant power abuse" lies manipulation cheating and corruption for ever, hey Thaksin you will never put your criminal foot in this country again unless you are willing to go to jail and after that face the many outstanding charges yet to be heard

[Kitsune]

They can ask all they want, it's very unlikely they would get anything...

When power is taken by a coup, history shows us that it is very difficult to recover.

Usually means a blood bath...

[MaxLee]

***********************UDD calls for 1997 Constitution reinstallation​**********************************

and the UDD are who exactly ?

never never ever going to happen, what might happen however is the same new charter with the reform committee clause removed

Thailand has seen the end to "rampant power abuse" lies manipulation cheating and corruption for ever, hey Thaksin you will never put your criminal foot in this country again unless you are willing to go to jail and after that face the many outstanding charges yet to be heard

The people in power will create another charter, it will be rejected, and the loop will continue 4ever....

[In Town]

The 1997 constitution is called "the people's" because it was drafted with significant input from the public. The 2007 constitution, whatever its merits, was drafted by the military without popular input. Those who argue it is legitimate because of the referendum might be unfamiliar with the actual circumstances of the referendum. At the time the people were presented with the choice of "accept this constitution or we will pick one for you", and were assured that "if you don't like it you can change it after the election". Also, it was illegal to campaign against the constitution.

In the event people made the choice to accept the constitution so they could have elections and regain power, then change the constitution, but when they actually tried that they were impeached. This is the primary reason people rejected this draft. They know that if they accept it they will never be allowed to reform it and make it more democratic.

The 1997 constitution is not perfect, but it certainly has more popular legitimacy than any other Thai constitution, and as such the UDD's demand seems reasonable. The Democracts may agree with this as well, since they would have a chance to compete and have some power (right now they have none) and would still control the "independent" institutions.

Edited September 7, 2015 by In Town

[SteveB2]

But, but, but....it's democratic! And the majority keep electing people that the "quality people" (rich generals, the mad monk, etc) don't like!

Democratic. Yer right... Popularism would be a better description

Vote buying in Thai politics has been so prevalent in recent years that any comparison between democracy and what has gone on here is ludicrous.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Isaan-plagued-by-vote-buying-EC-30055446.html

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TV program (Thai language - discussing the issue of an elite controlling Thailand)

[billd766]

Next they gonna mention that the amnesty bill to clear Thaksin if his crimes must be brought back too?

The only amnesty sought and granted was by the self appointed pm after committing treason. He can hardly complain about Thaksin although I enjoy knowing his mere existance annoys and scares the hell out of this junta.

Thaksin must be laughing his head off watching them fumble through their daily stuffups and hypocritical policy announcements.

Why don't you get a good Thai lawyer and with his help try to charge the PM with treason?

After all you have said it often enough so it must be true.

[Kitsune]

Remember this was supposed to be temporarily, one year MAX !

[baboon]

Next they gonna mention that the amnesty bill to clear Thaksin if his crimes must be brought back too?

The only amnesty sought and granted was by the self appointed pm after committing treason. He can hardly complain about Thaksin although I enjoy knowing his mere existance annoys and scares the hell out of this junta.

Thaksin must be laughing his head off watching them fumble through their daily stuffups and hypocritical policy announcements.

Why don't you get a good Thai lawyer and with his help try to charge the PM with treason?

After all you have said it often enough so it must be true.

Can I just confirm you are stating categorically that the not a coup/intervention/takeover/whatever the hell it is called today was not an act of treason?

Edited September 7, 2015 by baboon

[maidee]

guess they will need a new distraction ... what could possibly go wrong this week ?

[Jon Wetherall]

I whole-heartily agree with the1997 People's Constitution!!!

Just delete Article 112!!!

The Art.112 is not a constitutional article, but from Penal code.... It's necessary to protect the Institution

Who says?

Protest the Institution from who and from what?

No answer it is then...

[than]

I whole-heartily agree with the1997 People's Constitution!!!

Just delete Article 112!!!

The Art.112 is not a constitutional article, but from Penal code.... It's necessary to protect the Institution

Who says?

Protest the Institution from who and from what?

No answer it is then...

If you know the answer why you ask the question ?

The reverend Institution is protect by Chapter II and Section 8 of the Thai constitution (Thai constitution 1997, 2006,2007, 2014)

[phoenixdoglover]

Well it's not going to be the 1997 or 2007 versions as the starting point. It's going to be the 2015 version.

Perhaps without the NRC blocking it, and with a brand new charter drafting committee selected from a stable of highly qualified candidates, the right answer will be reached in 7 months.

I guess "good people" are hard to find.

Edited September 7, 2015 by phoenixdoglover