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Yeah sure. Another Israel demonization canard. The Israelis are so lazy ... sitting on their tuchuses waiting for the checks from Uncle Sammy.

With more than 2 billions dollars of help yearly by US, on which you need to add:

16 billions from 1974 to 1989 of loan which became then grants ( i am quite sure the greece would love the same)

1 billion in private founds from US each year as well

The help to Israel is accountable for a third of the total foreign help given by USA each year

So please stop saying that Israel made this country alone and are only here because of their hard labor...

Even Israeli agree on that...

That does t mean it is not a competitive country, that means it would be much less competitive without US funding, it is just fact...

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What nonsense. We are allies with Israel for good reason and it benefits us as well as them. They are our Unsinkable aircraft carrier in the Middle East and actually save us money compared to the real ones we would need if they were not there helping us.

Israel continues to help the United States deal with traditional security threats. The two countries share intelligence on terrorism, nuclear proliferation, and Middle Eastern politics. Israel's military experiences have shaped the United States' approach to counterterrorism and homeland security. The two governments work together to develop sophisticated military technology, such as the David's Sling counter-rocket and Arrow missile defense systems, which may soon be ready for export to other U.S. allies. Israel has also emerged as an important niche defense supplier to the U.S. military, with sales growing from $300 million per year before September 11 to $1.1 billion in 2006, due to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Israel's military research and development complex has pioneered many cutting-edge technologies that are transforming the face of modern war, including cyberweapons, unmanned vehicles (such as land robots and aerial drones), sensors and electronic warfare systems, and advanced defenses for military vehicles.
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/friends-with-benefits-why-the-u.s.-israeli-alliance-is-good-for-america

Israel is the only Middle Eastern state never to oppose America on major international issues. Its fundamental interests, like its values, are America’s. For the price of annual military aid equaling roughly half the cost of one Zumwalt-class destroyer, the United States helps maintain the military might of one of the few nations actively contributing to America’s defense.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2011/04/25/the-ultimate-ally-2/

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"Map showing Jewish-owned land as of 31 December 1944, including land owned in full, shared in undivided land and State Lands under concession.

Sorry. Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Anyone can edit it. Read what it says at the top of the page.

"Last edited 21 days ago by an anonymous user"

Is Israel accepting the UN deal?

Of course it did. That is why Israel is a country. That does not mean that they have to agree with every UN resolution from then on until the end of time.

The Plan sought to address the conflicting objectives and claims of two competing movements: Arab nationalism in Palestine and Jewish nationalism, known as Zionism.[3][4] The Plan also called for Economic Union between the proposed states, and for the protection of religious and minority rights.

The Plan was accepted by the Jewish public, except for its fringes, and by the Jewish Agency despite its perceived limitations.[5][6]

Arab leaders and governments rejected the plan of partition in the resolution[7] and indicated an unwillingness to accept any form of territorial division.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

I make no comment on the accuracy of either quote from Wikipedia.

But, Ulysses G, tell us; according to you is Wikipedia an unreliable source when used by those with whom you disagree; but a reliable source when you use it?

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"A blatant attempt to hijack UN" - in your dream. This organisation has been hijacked decades ago. And nobody has noticed its practical absence.

UN has outlived its use, its purpose and its principles. A bunch of corrupt greedy travelers in time from the past.

United Nations by definition must be a body representing Nations whose impact on the World is substantial.

Irrespective of whether Palestine is a Nation(?) or a country(?) - what is its contribution to the World? Terrorism, dependency, cowardice, corruption... just about all.

The designation of Palestine as a non-member observer state statute is driven by vote of UN member states, and not the UN as an institution itself.

Blaming the UN as an institution in this topic isn't correct.

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Be interesting to see the comparative statistics of aid to Palestine.

Aid to Israel brings the USA numerous benefits. Aid to the Palestinians is like throwing the money in the trash.

How very Israeli, I mean compassionate, creative and thoughtful.

Your logic is very similar to how some Germans thought all those years ago.

"Aid to Israel brings the USA numerous benefits. Aid to the Palestinians is like throwing the money in the trash."

I leave it to you to merely change the names of the countries and you have a quote worthy of Goebbels.

Quite despicable.

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How stupid. The Nazis attacked the Jews for no reason besides their religion. They were mostly pacifists who did not even fight back.

On the other hand. the Palestinians were the ones who started the violence in the first place and when they lost the wars they started, they switched over to terrorism against innocent civilians. The Palestinians caused most of their own problems. There is no legitimate comparison between the two.

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How stupid. The Nazis attacked the Jews for no reason besides their religion. They were mostly pacifists who did not even fight back.

On the other hand. the Palestinians were the ones who started the violence in the first place and when they lost the wars they started, they switched over to terrorism against innocent civilians. The Palestinians caused most of their own problems. There is no legitimate comparison between the two.

Don't you get bored trotting out the same old, same old ??

Perhaps if Israel took a few steps towards alleviating the sufferings of the Palestinian people, there might be an improvement in discourse and eventually a workable solution for all.

However, that is seemingly too difficult and your type of hate speak looks like it will prevail on both sides.

Perhaps you all deserve each other.

A nicely biblical future awaits.

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How stupid. The Nazis attacked the Jews for no reason besides their religion. They were mostly pacifists who did not even fight back.

On the other hand. the Palestinians were the ones who started the violence in the first place and when they lost the wars they started, they switched over to terrorism against innocent civilians. The Palestinians caused most of their own problems. There is no legitimate comparison between the two.

Don't you get bored trotting out the same old, same old ??

You are the one who tried falsely comparing the victims of Nazi aggression to the aggressors in the Israel conflict. The Palestinian Arabs started the violence and started the whole conflict. Learn some history instead of posting such ignorant pap.

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How stupid. The Nazis attacked the Jews for no reason besides their religion. They were mostly pacifists who did not even fight back.

On the other hand. the Palestinians were the ones who started the violence in the first place and when they lost the wars they started, they switched over to terrorism against innocent civilians. The Palestinians caused most of their own problems. There is no legitimate comparison between the two.

Don't you get bored trotting out the same old, same old ??

You are the one who tried falsely comparing the victims of Nazi aggression to the aggressors in the Israel conflict. The Palestinian Arabs started the violence and started the whole conflict. Learn some history instead of posting such ignorant pap.

I thought selective quoting and such rudeness was not allowed on this forum.

Care to report yourself ?

To many in the world, it's starting to look like a fair comparison, by the way.

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How stupid. The Nazis attacked the Jews for no reason besides their religion. They were mostly pacifists who did not even fight back.

On the other hand. the Palestinians were the ones who started the violence in the first place and when they lost the wars they started, they switched over to terrorism against innocent civilians. The Palestinians caused most of their own problems. There is no legitimate comparison between the two.

Don't you get bored trotting out the same old, same old ??

You are the one who tried falsely comparing the victims of Nazi aggression to the aggressors in the Israel conflict. The Palestinian Arabs started the violence and started the whole conflict. Learn some history instead of posting such ignorant pap.

To many in the world, it's starting to look like a fair comparison, by the way.

Proof positive that there are a lot of ignorant, hateful people out there.

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How stupid. The Nazis attacked the Jews for no reason besides their religion. They were mostly pacifists who did not even fight back.

On the other hand. the Palestinians were the ones who started the violence in the first place and when they lost the wars they started, they switched over to terrorism against innocent civilians. The Palestinians caused most of their own problems. There is no legitimate comparison between the two.

Don't you get bored trotting out the same old, same old ??

You are the one who tried falsely comparing the victims of Nazi aggression to the aggressors in the Israel conflict. The Palestinian Arabs started the violence and started the whole conflict. Learn some history instead of posting such ignorant pap.

Really? The Palestinian Arabs are the ones who invaded their own country, ran their grandparents out of their homes, and have kept the Palestinians in refugee camps for generations?

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You are the one who tried falsely comparing the victims of Nazi aggression to the aggressors in the Israel conflict. The Palestinian Arabs started the violence and started the whole conflict. Learn some history instead of posting such ignorant pap.

Really? The Palestinian Arabs are the ones who invaded their own country, ran their grandparents out of their homes, and have kept the Palestinians in refugee camps for generations?

Hear, hear!

One simple fact like that can demolish the propaganda house-of-cards that has been so painstakingly erected by the radical Zionists.

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"A blatant attempt to hijack UN" - in your dream. This organisation has been hijacked decades ago. And nobody has noticed its practical absence.

UN has outlived its use, its purpose and its principles. A bunch of corrupt greedy travelers in time from the past.

United Nations by definition must be a body representing Nations whose impact on the World is substantial.

Irrespective of whether Palestine is a Nation(?) or a country(?) - what is its contribution to the World? Terrorism, dependency, cowardice, corruption... just about all.

The designation of Palestine as a non-member observer state statute is driven by vote of UN member states, and not the UN as an institution itself.

Blaming the UN as an institution in this topic isn't correct.

So you are saying the UN doesn't adopt what member states vote for? What absolute rubbish. It is the UN as an institution which is very much to blame for the one sided approach they have with Israel. What you should have said is.

The one sided approach the UN adopts on Israel is exactly what makes the UN obsolete as a peace mediator.

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"A blatant attempt to hijack UN" - in your dream. This organisation has been hijacked decades ago. And nobody has noticed its practical absence.

UN has outlived its use, its purpose and its principles. A bunch of corrupt greedy travelers in time from the past.

United Nations by definition must be a body representing Nations whose impact on the World is substantial.

Irrespective of whether Palestine is a Nation(?) or a country(?) - what is its contribution to the World? Terrorism, dependency, cowardice, corruption... just about all.

The designation of Palestine as a non-member observer state statute is driven by vote of UN member states, and not the UN as an institution itself.

Blaming the UN as an institution in this topic isn't correct.

So you are saying the UN doesn't adopt what member states vote for? What absolute rubbish. It is the UN as an institution which is very much to blame for the one sided approach they have with Israel. What you should have said is.

The one sided approach the UN adopts on Israel is exactly what makes the UN obsolete as a peace mediator.

Nope but the fact that each year the US veto more than 100 motions against Israel certainly is

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!!!! The absolute GALL to say that the world, or "Arab world" should solve the Palestinian refugee problem!!!!

How about directing your ire to the SOURCE of the problem?????

And that is, as if you don't know, Israel driving them out of their homeland.

I've posted this too many times, but here we go again.

1. There is no such thing as a "Palestinian homeland". Historically there was a region called Palestine which encompassed parts of many nations. It was a geographical area.

2. There is and never was a nation called Palestine.

3. The so-called Palestinians hijacked that name under Arafat in the 1960's.

4. The so-called Palestinians aren't refugees. They are squatters. Historically they had no homeland and no nation. They were nomadic wanderers.

5. It is outrageous that a non-nation which isn't and never was could be recognized by the UN when they should simply be seen as the terrorists and usurpers that they are.

Palestinian Declaration of Independence was fulfilled on 15th of November 1988.

Currently, it's recognized by 112 other states, clearly qualifies as a state under the conventions of Montevideo's criteria.

So does Kosovo, currently recognized by 75 states, even though most states, as well as the United Nations as an institution, still consider its entire defined territory to be the sovereign territory of Serbia.

So does the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic in Western Sahara, currently recognized by 49 states and a member state of the African Union, even though its government is based abroad, in Tindouf, Algeria, while virtually its entire territory has been occupied by the Moroccan army for the past 35 years.

So do South Ossetia, Abkhazia, the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus and Transnistria, recognized by four, four, one and no states, respectively.

Palestine submitted in 2012 for UN full membership to UNSC but has been rejected so far.

On 29 November 2012, the United Nations General Assembly adopted resolution 67/19 upgrading Palestine to non-member observer state status in the United Nations. Which gives them finally access to ICC prosecution.

On 31 December 2014, the United Nations Security Council voted down a resolution demanding the end of Israeli occupation and Palestinian statehood by 2017.

Eight members voted for the Resolution (Russia, China, France, Argentina, Chad, Chile, Jordan, Luxembourg).

However the resolution did not get the minimum of nine votes needed to pass the resolution. Australia and the United States voted against the resolution, with the United Kingdom, Lithuania, Nigeria, South Korea and Rwanda abstaining.

Links to quotes :

http://www.mepc.org/journal/middle-east-policy-archives/state-palestine-exists?print

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Declaration_of_Independence

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Be interesting to see the comparative statistics of aid to Palestine.

Aid to Israel brings the USA numerous benefits. Aid to the Palestinians is like throwing the money in the trash.

Oh yes, they will find the money in the trash of their homes caused by your beloved state.

Mr. "warrier", taken your frequent posts you are not interested at all in creating a better world and have both flags fly next to eachother. You like to kick ass and you love it. You really need an attitude change, especially after your last brave comment.

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Be interesting to see the comparative statistics of aid to Palestine.

Aid to Israel brings the USA numerous benefits. Aid to the Palestinians is like throwing the money in the trash.

Oh yes, they will find the money in the trash of their homes caused by your beloved state.

Aid to the Palestinians is like throwing the money in the trash, because instead of using it to improve the lot of the people, the leaders spend it on rockets and terrorist tunnels to attack innocent people. That is why there is no economy to create a Palestinian State.

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How stupid. The Nazis attacked the Jews for no reason besides their religion. They were mostly pacifists who did not even fight back.

On the other hand. the Palestinians were the ones who started the violence in the first place and when they lost the wars they started, they switched over to terrorism against innocent civilians. The Palestinians caused most of their own problems. There is no legitimate comparison between the two.

You continue to be wilfully blind to the fact that Zionist terrorists were active before Israel came into being. Stop trying to imply that Israeli hands were clean at the start.

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!!!! The absolute GALL to say that the world, or "Arab world" should solve the Palestinian refugee problem!!!!

How about directing your ire to the SOURCE of the problem?????

And that is, as if you don't know, Israel driving them out of their homeland.

I've posted this too many times, but here we go again.

1. There is no such thing as a "Palestinian homeland". Historically there was a region called Palestine which encompassed parts of many nations. It was a geographical area.

2. There is and never was a nation called Palestine.

3. The so-called Palestinians hijacked that name under Arafat in the 1960's.

4. The so-called Palestinians aren't refugees. They are squatters. Historically they had no homeland and no nation. They were nomadic wanderers.

5. It is outrageous that a non-nation which isn't and never was could be recognized by the UN when they should simply be seen as the terrorists and usurpers that they are.

Palestinian Declaration of Independence was fulfilled on 15th of November 1988.

Currently, it's recognized by 112 other states, clearly qualifies as a state under the conventions of Montevideo's criteria.

So does Kosovo, currently recognized by 75 states, even though most states, as well as the United Nations as an institution, still consider its entire defined territory to be the sovereign territory of Serbia.

So does the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic in Western Sahara, currently recognized by 49 states and a member state of the African Union, even though its government is based abroad, in Tindouf, Algeria, while virtually its entire territory has been occupied by the Moroccan army for the past 35 years.

So do South Ossetia, Abkhazia, the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus and Transnistria, recognized by four, four, one and no states, respectively.

Palestine submitted in 2012 for UN full membership to UNSC but has been rejected so far.

On 29 November 2012, the United Nations General Assembly adopted resolution 67/19 upgrading Palestine to non-member observer state status in the United Nations. Which gives them finally access to ICC prosecution.

On 31 December 2014, the United Nations Security Council voted down a resolution demanding the end of Israeli occupation and Palestinian statehood by 2017.

Eight members voted for the Resolution (Russia, China, France, Argentina, Chad, Chile, Jordan, Luxembourg).

However the resolution did not get the minimum of nine votes needed to pass the resolution. Australia and the United States voted against the resolution, with the United Kingdom, Lithuania, Nigeria, South Korea and Rwanda abstaining.

Links to quotes :

http://www.mepc.org/journal/middle-east-policy-archives/state-palestine-exists?print

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Declaration_of_Independence

Britain, still the USA's poodle.

Expect that to change as more Arabs and Muslims move to live in the UK.

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!!!! The absolute GALL to say that the world, or "Arab world" should solve the Palestinian refugee problem!!!!

How about directing your ire to the SOURCE of the problem?????

And that is, as if you don't know, Israel driving them out of their homeland.

I've posted this too many times, but here we go again.

1. There is no such thing as a "Palestinian homeland". Historically there was a region called Palestine which encompassed parts of many nations. It was a geographical area.

2. There is and never was a nation called Palestine.

3. The so-called Palestinians hijacked that name under Arafat in the 1960's.

4. The so-called Palestinians aren't refugees. They are squatters. Historically they had no homeland and no nation. They were nomadic wanderers.

5. It is outrageous that a non-nation which isn't and never was could be recognized by the UN when they should simply be seen as the terrorists and usurpers that they are.

Palestinian Declaration of Independence was fulfilled on 15th of November 1988.

Currently, it's recognized by 112 other states, clearly qualifies as a state under the conventions of Montevideo's criteria.

So does Kosovo, currently recognized by 75 states, even though most states, as well as the United Nations as an institution, still consider its entire defined territory to be the sovereign territory of Serbia.

So does the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic in Western Sahara, currently recognized by 49 states and a member state of the African Union, even though its government is based abroad, in Tindouf, Algeria, while virtually its entire territory has been occupied by the Moroccan army for the past 35 years.

So do South Ossetia, Abkhazia, the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus and Transnistria, recognized by four, four, one and no states, respectively.

Palestine submitted in 2012 for UN full membership to UNSC but has been rejected so far.

On 29 November 2012, the United Nations General Assembly adopted resolution 67/19 upgrading Palestine to non-member observer state status in the United Nations. Which gives them finally access to ICC prosecution.

On 31 December 2014, the United Nations Security Council voted down a resolution demanding the end of Israeli occupation and Palestinian statehood by 2017.

Eight members voted for the Resolution (Russia, China, France, Argentina, Chad, Chile, Jordan, Luxembourg).

However the resolution did not get the minimum of nine votes needed to pass the resolution. Australia and the United States voted against the resolution, with the United Kingdom, Lithuania, Nigeria, South Korea and Rwanda abstaining.

Links to quotes :

http://www.mepc.org/journal/middle-east-policy-archives/state-palestine-exists?print

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Declaration_of_Independence

Britain, still the USA's poodle.

Expect that to change as more Arabs and Muslims move to live in the UK.

And you think that's a good thing? The new poodle owner promises to be far worse than the old one.

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I've posted this too many times, but here we go again.

1. There is no such thing as a "Palestinian homeland". Historically there was a region called Palestine which encompassed parts of many nations. It was a geographical area.

2. There is and never was a nation called Palestine.

3. The so-called Palestinians hijacked that name under Arafat in the 1960's.

4. The so-called Palestinians aren't refugees. They are squatters. Historically they had no homeland and no nation. They were nomadic wanderers.

5. It is outrageous that a non-nation which isn't and never was could be recognized by the UN when they should simply be seen as the terrorists and usurpers that they are.

Palestinian Declaration of Independence was fulfilled on 15th of November 1988.

Currently, it's recognized by 112 other states, clearly qualifies as a state under the conventions of Montevideo's criteria.

So does Kosovo, currently recognized by 75 states, even though most states, as well as the United Nations as an institution, still consider its entire defined territory to be the sovereign territory of Serbia.

So does the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic in Western Sahara, currently recognized by 49 states and a member state of the African Union, even though its government is based abroad, in Tindouf, Algeria, while virtually its entire territory has been occupied by the Moroccan army for the past 35 years.

So do South Ossetia, Abkhazia, the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus and Transnistria, recognized by four, four, one and no states, respectively.

Palestine submitted in 2012 for UN full membership to UNSC but has been rejected so far.

On 29 November 2012, the United Nations General Assembly adopted resolution 67/19 upgrading Palestine to non-member observer state status in the United Nations. Which gives them finally access to ICC prosecution.

On 31 December 2014, the United Nations Security Council voted down a resolution demanding the end of Israeli occupation and Palestinian statehood by 2017.

Eight members voted for the Resolution (Russia, China, France, Argentina, Chad, Chile, Jordan, Luxembourg).

However the resolution did not get the minimum of nine votes needed to pass the resolution. Australia and the United States voted against the resolution, with the United Kingdom, Lithuania, Nigeria, South Korea and Rwanda abstaining.

Links to quotes :

http://www.mepc.org/journal/middle-east-policy-archives/state-palestine-exists?print

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Declaration_of_Independence

Britain, still the USA's poodle.

Expect that to change as more Arabs and Muslims move to live in the UK.

And you think that's a good thing? The new poodle owner promises to be far worse than the old one.

Of course not, but it's happening.

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"A blatant attempt to hijack UN" - in your dream. This organisation has been hijacked decades ago. And nobody has noticed its practical absence.

UN has outlived its use, its purpose and its principles. A bunch of corrupt greedy travelers in time from the past.

United Nations by definition must be a body representing Nations whose impact on the World is substantial.

Irrespective of whether Palestine is a Nation(?) or a country(?) - what is its contribution to the World? Terrorism, dependency, cowardice, corruption... just about all.

The designation of Palestine as a non-member observer state statute is driven by vote of UN member states, and not the UN as an institution itself.

Blaming the UN as an institution in this topic isn't correct.

Which part of my post is not clear to you?

When I say UN has been hijacked I do not mean Martians or green creatures - I mean over 100 UN member states you distinguish from UN with such a reverie.

The very same UN member states that would still eat their enemies or sell them into slavery if there were buyers. Since when the majority was right instead of being stupid?

Sorry for not sharing your reverie, but USA, Canada, Japan, Australia, Israel and GB do not share your position either. Not that I need their view on the matter.

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How stupid. The Nazis attacked the Jews for no reason besides their religion. They were mostly pacifists who did not even fight back.

On the other hand. the Palestinians were the ones who started the violence in the first place and when they lost the wars they started, they switched over to terrorism against innocent civilians. The Palestinians caused most of their own problems. There is no legitimate comparison between the two.

You continue to be wilfully blind to the fact that Zionist terrorists were active before Israel came into being. Stop trying to imply that Israeli hands were clean at the start.

As usual you are just making up things from thin air. You have proved many times that you have no grasp of the history there at all. The Jews did not start fighting back in an organized way for almost 20 years after the Palestinian Arabs started the hostilities in the first place.

Here is a chart of killings and massacres committed in Mandate Palestine and anyone can see that for almost 20 years, the Arabs were the responsible party. The first anti-Jewish riots were in about 1920. Eventually Irgun was formed and the Jews started striking back in about 1938.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_and_massacres_in_Mandatory_Palestine

This is a list of killings and massacres committed in Mandatory Palestine. It is restricted to incidents in which at least three people were deliberately killed. This list does not include unlawful deaths due to criminal activity. It includes all casualties that resulted from the initial attack on civilians or non-combat military personnel.

Note: The designation "responsible party" below refers to those believed to be the principle instigators of the violence.

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