Koh Tao murders: 2 DNA profiles from alleged murder weapon do not match defendants' DNA

[AleG]

Sexual abuse now too?

Catchy headline, not supported by anything in the article though. Again the same thing...

"The next day we heard about the murders and we were worried it might be related to someone involved in the murders. My friend smashed up the phone and threw it into the undergrowth behind our hut."

Well, that at least should definitely put to rest the accusations that the police planted the phone. Although I wouldn't hold my breath.

As an alibi though, it leaves a lot to be desired.

[StealthEnergiser]

[stephenterry]

Sexual abuse now too?

Catchy headline, not supported by anything in the article though. Again the same thing...

"The next day we heard about the murders and we were worried it might be related to someone involved in the murders. My friend smashed up the phone and threw it into the undergrowth behind our hut."

Well, that at least should definitely put to rest the accusations that the police planted the phone. Although I wouldn't hold my breath.

As an alibi though, it leaves a lot to be desired.

Another troll post. Go away.

[RWA]

TAT thailand would be fully aware of this case I am surprised tourists coming to Thailand have not been asking questions on TAT Facebook pages like what are they doing about tourists safety on the islands ?

after all Dr Pornthip has reported her findings to the media that DNA on the murder weapon did not belong to to the B2.

TAT : It is an extremely likely that the killer or killers are still that island what have done about it ????????????????????

TAT :Have you asked the police to start an investigation of who belongs to the unknown DNA on the Murder weapon ?????????????????

TAT : What steps have you taken to ensure tourists safety ????????????????

(sorry, out of Likes) AMEN to this!

[fab99]

Sexual abuse now too?

Catchy headline, not supported by anything in the article though. Again the same thing...

"The next day we heard about the murders and we were worried it might be related to someone involved in the murders. My friend smashed up the phone and threw it into the undergrowth behind our hut."

Well, that at least should definitely put to rest the accusations that the police planted the phone. Although I wouldn't hold my breath.

As an alibi though, it leaves a lot to be desired.

AleG, in your opinion were the B2 interviews and the confessions done lawfully and fairly (no legal representaion, no professional translator, documents signed in Thai, interviews in a 'safe house' with no recording, multiple reports of torture by the burmese community...) ?

But you won't answer the main question and again focus on a headline biased according to you... it doesnt matter if the abuse was sexual, I actually think that the death threats are more shocking than the sexual abuse, they have been threatened to be fed to the fish... but you will probably say the B2 lied and everything was done properly... and we don't have the right information.

We can see you don't appreciate media scrutiny and say it always comes from the defense team, but if the case were solid, there wouldn't be so many questions in the media and the prosecution wouldnt be so silent...

But I agree there is something fishy about the phone, unfortunately we are not sure this is David's phone, but it is strange for sure that they found the phone the night they were out, before the murders actually took place.

It is so frustrating to think that we will probably never know for sure wht happened that night and we largely have to thank the investigators for that.

I and many others won't set a foot in this part of the country for sure...

Edited October 11, 2015 by fab99

[stephenterry]

TAT thailand would be fully aware of this case I am surprised tourists coming to Thailand have not been asking questions on TAT Facebook pages like what are they doing about tourists safety on the islands ?

after all Dr Pornthip has reported her findings to the media that DNA on the murder weapon did not belong to to the B2.

TAT : It is an extremely likely that the killer or killers are still that island what have done about it ????????????????????

TAT :Have you asked the police to start an investigation of who belongs to the unknown DNA on the Murder weapon ?????????????????

TAT : What steps have you taken to ensure tourists safety ????????????????

(sorry, out of Likes) AMEN to this!

Exactly. On the understanding that Hannah's blood was on the blade of the hoe and the B2 DNA wasn't on the handle, it seems to me that they didn't kill her. So what evidence is there to convict the B2?

Perhaps Thailand ought to bring the real perps to justice

[nontabury]

smedly, on 10 Oct 2015 - 23:50, said:smedly, on 10 Oct 2015 - 23:50, said:

Darkknight666, on 10 Oct 2015 - 13:18, said:Darkknight666, on 10 Oct 2015 - 13:18, said:

New Judges, eh? Maybe that's a good sign! I know, I know.... Foolish thinking.

we have already experienced people being removed from this case, I don't think this is either right or proper and speaks very loud to me, can you imagine 2/3 of a jury being replaced near the end of a trial, if I was defence council I would be calling a halt to the proceedings on the grounds of extreme .......................................extreme something because this is just more B.....S, does Thailand actually have laws - do they actually have a judicial process ? they should be ashamed of themselves - Prayuth Chan (O) Cha - something else that needs your urgent attention

According to a poster on Andy Hall's facebook, Heidi Anna, who has been in court every day during the Koh Tao hearings, there has been several changes of judges:

26 December 2014 - 3 judges

30 April 2015 - 1 judge from 26 December hearing, plus 2 new ones

8 July 2015 - "2nd chair" judge from 30 April hearing becomes lead judge, plus 2 new ones

8 July until 25 September 2015 - Same three judges

10 October 2015 - Same lead judge from 8 July hearing, plus 2 new ones in 2nd and 3rd chair.

I don't think this can be explained by an "annual reshuffle". Where is the continuity?

Furthermore, Heidi Anna also says that the 2 accused were not given anything to eat during the long hours they spent in court yesterday. The hearing started in the morning (9:00am I believe) with Zaw Lin's testimony and didn't finish until 10:30pm. Wai Phyo only started to give his testimony at 8:00pm and the trial was halted at 10:30pm due to the late hour. He will resume his testimony this morning. That's an awful long time to go without food.

Changing the judges during a trail is quite common in Thailand, especially if the prosecutions case is not adding up. Seen it a couple of times, were the case against the accused (Farangs) was not going the way of the prosecutor, so they brought in a more plyable judge.

[Gweiloman]

Sexual abuse now too?

Catchy headline, not supported by anything in the article though. Again the same thing...

"The next day we heard about the murders and we were worried it might be related to someone involved in the murders. My friend smashed up the phone and threw it into the undergrowth behind our hut."

Well, that at least should definitely put to rest the accusations that the police planted the phone. Although I wouldn't hold my breath.

As an alibi though, it leaves a lot to be desired.

For all our sakes, would you kindly do us a mighty favour and detail what is, in your opinion, evidence that proves beyond reasonable doubt (or that even circumstantially points to the B2's guilt) that the B2 are guilty of the rape and murder of Hannah and David?

[catsanddogs]

Sexual abuse now too?

Catchy headline, not supported by anything in the article though. Again the same thing...

"The next day we heard about the murders and we were worried it might be related to someone involved in the murders. My friend smashed up the phone and threw it into the undergrowth behind our hut."

Well, that at least should definitely put to rest the accusations that the police planted the phone. Although I wouldn't hold my breath.

As an alibi though, it leaves a lot to be desired.

AleG, in your opinion were the B2 interviews and the confessions done lawfully and fairly (no legal representaion, no professional translator, documents signed in Thai, interviews in a 'safe house' with no recording, multiple reports of torture by the burmese community...) ?

But you won't answer the main question and again focus on a headline biased according to you... it doesnt matter if the abuse was sexual, I actually think that the death threats are more shocking than the sexual abuse, they have been threatened to be fed to the fish... but you will probably say the B2 lied and everything was done properly... and we don't have the right information.

We can see you don't appreciate media scrutiny and say it always comes from the defense team, but if the case were solid, there wouldn't be so many questions in the media and the prosecution wouldnt be so silent...

But I agree there is something fishy about the phone, unfortunately we are not sure this is David's phone, but it is strange for sure that they found the phone the night they were out, before the murders actually took place.

It is so frustrating to think that we will probably never know for sure wht happened that night and we largely have to thank the investigators for that.

I and many others won't set a foot in this part of the country for sure...

but it is strange for sure that they found the phone the night they were out, before the murders actually took place.

Apart from the article saying he found the phone in the evening, do you have some more information to back up that they found the phone before the murders please?

I'm sorry to say, but I think most honest people would hand a phone into police that they had found if they then found out murders had taken place. Why didn't the B2 hand the phone in instead of smashing it?

Edited October 11, 2015 by catsanddogs

[Linky]

Brit Murders: Accused Says Police Abused Me

Defendant Wei Phyo claims police threatened to chop off his arms and legs, throw his body into the sea to feed the fish.

One of the men accused of murdering two British tourists on the Thai island of Koh Tao last year has accused Thai police of sexual, physical and psychological abuse.

http://news.sky.com/story/1567511/thai-beach-murder-accused-police-abused-me

From that article -

Wei Phyo admitted during his testimony to finding a phone on the beach on the night the two British holidaymakers were killed. He said he took it home but couldn't unlock it.

He told the court: "The next day we heard about the murders and we were worried it might be related to someone involved in the murders. My friend smashed up the phone and threw it into the undergrowth behind our hut."

While I consider that the B2 are innocent, this testimony doesn't ring true, IMO. I am very uncomfortable with this statement. In other words, I don't buy it. What do you guys think?

The phone is a red herring because the police have failed to provide any evidence it belonged to either of the victims.

[RWA]

There are too many people jumping to conclusions with little regard to the quality of the information they have. I'd hazard the guess......

Does anyone see the irony, the hypocracy here?

He should have told that to the prosecutors witnesses

[catsanddogs]

Brit Murders: Accused Says Police Abused Me

Defendant Wei Phyo claims police threatened to chop off his arms and legs, throw his body into the sea to feed the fish.

One of the men accused of murdering two British tourists on the Thai island of Koh Tao last year has accused Thai police of sexual, physical and psychological abuse.

http://news.sky.com/story/1567511/thai-beach-murder-accused-police-abused-me

From that article -

Wei Phyo admitted during his testimony to finding a phone on the beach on the night the two British holidaymakers were killed. He said he took it home but couldn't unlock it.

He told the court: "The next day we heard about the murders and we were worried it might be related to someone involved in the murders. My friend smashed up the phone and threw it into the undergrowth behind our hut."

While I consider that the B2 are innocent, this testimony doesn't ring true, IMO. I am very uncomfortable with this statement. In other words, I don't buy it. What do you guys think?

The phone is a red herring because the police have failed to provide any evidence it belonged to either of the victims.

Surely the defense have had access to this smashed phone and were able to find out who it belonged to.

[RWA]

smedly, on 10 Oct 2015 - 23:50, said:smedly, on 10 Oct 2015 - 23:50, said:

Darkknight666, on 10 Oct 2015 - 13:18, said:Darkknight666, on 10 Oct 2015 - 13:18, said:

New Judges, eh? Maybe that's a good sign! I know, I know.... Foolish thinking.

we have already experienced people being removed from this case, I don't think this is either right or proper and speaks very loud to me, can you imagine 2/3 of a jury being replaced near the end of a trial, if I was defence council I would be calling a halt to the proceedings on the grounds of extreme .......................................extreme something because this is just more B.....S, does Thailand actually have laws - do they actually have a judicial process ? they should be ashamed of themselves - Prayuth Chan (O) Cha - something else that needs your urgent attention

According to a poster on Andy Hall's facebook, Heidi Anna, who has been in court every day during the Koh Tao hearings, there has been several changes of judges:

26 December 2014 - 3 judges

30 April 2015 - 1 judge from 26 December hearing, plus 2 new ones

8 July 2015 - "2nd chair" judge from 30 April hearing becomes lead judge, plus 2 new ones

8 July until 25 September 2015 - Same three judges

10 October 2015 - Same lead judge from 8 July hearing, plus 2 new ones in 2nd and 3rd chair.

I don't think this can be explained by an "annual reshuffle". Where is the continuity?

Furthermore, Heidi Anna also says that the 2 accused were not given anything to eat during the long hours they spent in court yesterday. The hearing started in the morning (9:00am I believe) with Zaw Lin's testimony and didn't finish until 10:30pm. Wai Phyo only started to give his testimony at 8:00pm and the trial was halted at 10:30pm due to the late hour. He will resume his testimony this morning. That's an awful long time to go without food.

Probably due to "budget restraints" or "all used up"!

[HUH]

Sexual abuse now too?

Catchy headline, not supported by anything in the article though. Again the same thing...

"The next day we heard about the murders and we were worried it might be related to someone involved in the murders. My friend smashed up the phone and threw it into the undergrowth behind our hut."

Well, that at least should definitely put to rest the accusations that the police planted the phone. Although I wouldn't hold my breath.

As an alibi though, it leaves a lot to be desired.

Oh I see, so you do actually believe the article despite discrediting it in your first sentence............oh the irony

[saminoz]

Another troll post. Why don't you troll elsewhere. Nothing you say is factual

Nothing factual?

"Mr Waiyawuth said a quarter of the indicators from one of the suspects matched the partial profile but that did not mean he could be included as a suspect.

DNA experts agree that DNA profiling demands a 99.9999% accurate match."

I didn't find the article that cited the cross examination questions by the prosecution, although I had quoted it in a previous post of mine:

"The prosecution asked Mr Waiyawuth if the third, incomplete, profile could belong to one of the suspects. He replied that only a quarter of the indicators from one of the suspects matched the partial profile.

The prosecution said: “So his participation cannot be ruled out.”

Mr Waiyawith replied: “No, but he cannot be included either.”"

A partial match doesn't provide positive proof that the DNA recovered and that of suspect are the same person, it also means that such a result can't be used to support the claim that it proves the suspect is not the source of the DNA.

I guess I can answer Mr Zero Cred here.

You post a load of nonsense as usual, trying to use smoke and mirrors to blur the fact that the prosecution has proven exactly nothing in their blatant attempt to frame these two Burmese scapegoats.

An analogy might be someone trying to defend their decision to write a completely misleading, if not totally false, review of a diving establishment on death island, pretending to be a novice diver that had used this establishment for their first foray into Scuba!

The establishment would, one assumes, remove the review in shame, after someone had pointed out the dishonesty of using such a blatant fabrication to promote their business (they did!). The writer, on the other hand, might try and pretend it never happened and knows nothing about it (he did, and still is).

You might be able to shed more light on this?

You might argue that this has nothing to do with the point in hand, but then again, neither does your post! The RTP case has been just such a blatant fabrication. Equally ill-thought out. Equally dishonest and corrupt but with much worse consequences. Would you agree?

AleG, Aleg, AleG still trying to make a silk purse out of a pig's ear, the pigs in question being the RTP?

[Linky]

Brit Murders: Accused Says Police Abused Me

Defendant Wei Phyo claims police threatened to chop off his arms and legs, throw his body into the sea to feed the fish.

One of the men accused of murdering two British tourists on the Thai island of Koh Tao last year has accused Thai police of sexual, physical and psychological abuse.

http://news.sky.com/story/1567511/thai-beach-murder-accused-police-abused-me

From that article -

Wei Phyo admitted during his testimony to finding a phone on the beach on the night the two British holidaymakers were killed. He said he took it home but couldn't unlock it.

He told the court: "The next day we heard about the murders and we were worried it might be related to someone involved in the murders. My friend smashed up the phone and threw it into the undergrowth behind our hut."

While I consider that the B2 are innocent, this testimony doesn't ring true, IMO. I am very uncomfortable with this statement. In other words, I don't buy it. What do you guys think?

The phone is a red herring because the police have failed to provide any evidence it belonged to either of the victims.

Surely the defense have had access to this smashed phone and were able to find out who it belonged to.

Dont think so. They hadnt received any evidence prior to the trial.

In any event, it is not the job of defence to prove anything. If the prosecution wants to say the phone belonged to the victims then the onus is on them to prove it. They have not done that. So the issue of the phone is irrelevant.

[Nigeone]

Was there actually any evidence against these 2 in the trial? Apart from the fact they were on the beach that night?

No....!! Also with all that's not been ! shown to be proven, credible or remotely true as regards the proof or guilt by the the RTP we now have the the changing of judges..How in any shape or form can this mean this case from start to finish can stand up to scrutiny...How can a judges or judges sit in court listening to the prosecution and defense arguments and then from time to time be removed and replaced by people who aren't privy to what's gone on...Then in the last two days which some would say are maybe the most important days of this excuse for a trial we have judges once again being absent or being replaced. I don't accept for one minute this annual change nonsense as if anyone had a ounce of common sense Judges would have been assigned who were available for the duration...I'm sorry but changing judges at this late stage stinks of someone high up putting his oar in...Either to manipulate the judgement or protect the removed judges from the judgement. All I know is whatever happens they have left them selves wide open..again...for strong grounds for appeal. This of course could also be part of the plan to dilute the decision. At the end of the day the whole event from the day the B2 were arrested has been a travesty of justice and a disgrace and have proven what most who know Thailand already thought...Corruption rules ,money talks !

Edited October 11, 2015 by Nigeone

[StealthEnergiser]

Iphone

unable to link the post but if you google "Police all at sea in island murder probe"

there is a report of women’s bags, a camera, an iPhone and money were stolen the night before at the same spot.

Edited October 11, 2015 by StealthEnergiser

[saminoz]

Yes I know AleG has business interests on Koh Tao and I hope everyone on here realises that.

Congratulations, you just proved what I was saying a couple pages ago; what you think you know is nothing but Internet rumors, or rather lies, which you willfully gobble up and use as a basis to pass judgement on me.

OK, time for two questions from me uncle AleG.

1. Given your reply above, do you deny writing the false (and now retracted review) of a diving operation on Koh Tao (I only mention this as a positive answer would call into question the veracity of any/all of your previous posts on Koh Tao issues and possibly point to you having a vested interest)?

2. Does your relationship (through your wife) to a very high ranking RTP officer (information freely given in other TV Forums, strangely not here) have any basis on the strange, confusing and, for most on here, unbelievably unbending assertion that the B2 are must be guilty?

Time to 'fess up maybe.

To be fair, I will answer both questions myself;

1. I have never written a review of any resort or hotel I have stayed in, I just don't care. I do dive, but those black spiky norman sea urchin things scare me!

2. I don't know any high ranking RTP officers, apart from the (much lower ranked but equally as unqualified) ones who stop me on my scooter because I am a farang and therefore must have done something wrong worth at least 200 Baht!

Edited October 11, 2015 by saminoz

[scorecard]

Yes I know AleG has business interests on Koh Tao and I hope everyone on here realises that.

Congratulations, you just proved what I was saying a couple pages ago; what you think you know is nothing but Internet rumors, or rather lies, which you willfully gobble up and use as a basis to pass judgement on me.

So please enlighten the tv members, what business interests does alexg have on the island?

[AleG]

I find this worrying. Says he admitted to finding a phone on the beach on the 'night' of the murders - am assuming this should read on the 'morning' of the murders. the B2 said they went to bed between 1am and 2am (i think). It has been reported that the murders took place sometime around 4.30am - of course this could be quite wrong. But my concern is did Wei Phyo find the phone after the murders and if so then surely he would have seen something relating to the crime also, or did he find the phone before the murders on the beach? And we still don't know if the damn phone actually belonged to David Miller. How difficult can it be for heavens sake to find out whose phone it was? Somethings not right.

IIRC the last time Miller and Witheridge were seen was after the time the defendants claim to had been back at their place.

The phone is exactly the same model as the one taken from one of the victims, since it was smashed the only way to find out who it belonged to was to, as far as I know, compare the SIM serial number with records from the UK; officially the UK won't provide any information since it's a case involving the death penalty, unofficially a UK embassy official said it is David Miller's phone, according to a witness during the hearing. Whether the judge will accept that as proof of provenance is up to him.

The defense on the other hand made it clear that they were very much against the UK helping in any way on the matter; that is why I've said many times that the people that want to see the crimes solved and want the defense to win should consider the possibility that they are holding mutually exclusive positions.

In any case, as I mentioned, the phone is identical to Miller's; what are the chances of that phone disappearing from the victim, an identical one being found by the suspects (supposedly after they were back to their room? On top of that they (the defendants) themselves said they thought it could be linked to the murders, apparently the day after the crime. Now then... how did they know there was a phone missing from the victim back then? Let alone knowing what brand and model it was.

People that have been saying these men are innocent of any involvement in the crime should try to put things in perspective and be honest with themselves, if the same circumstances were related to any of the other suspects in the alternate theories, would they dismiss all of this out of hand?

[AleG]

Yes I know AleG has business interests on Koh Tao and I hope everyone on here realises that.

Congratulations, you just proved what I was saying a couple pages ago; what you think you know is nothing but Internet rumors, or rather lies, which you willfully gobble up and use as a basis to pass judgement on me.

So please enlighten the tv members, what business interests does alexg have on the island?

I'm curious to know too... I just found out I'm married to someone so this day seems to be full of surprises.

[Chetzee]

broken iPhone now confirmed as belonging to David Miller , this info passed to the prosecution by the Miller family

Edited October 11, 2015 by Chetzee

[Nigeone]

I find this worrying. Says he admitted to finding a phone on the beach on the 'night' of the murders - am assuming this should read on the 'morning' of the murders. the B2 said they went to bed between 1am and 2am (i think). It has been reported that the murders took place sometime around 4.30am - of course this could be quite wrong. But my concern is did Wei Phyo find the phone after the murders and if so then surely he would have seen something relating to the crime also, or did he find the phone before the murders on the beach? And we still don't know if the damn phone actually belonged to David Miller. How difficult can it be for heavens sake to find out whose phone it was? Somethings not right.

IIRC the last time Miller and Witheridge were seen was after the time the defendants claim to had been back at their place.

The phone is exactly the same model as the one taken from one of the victims, since it was smashed the only way to find out who it belonged to was to, as far as I know, compare the SIM serial number with records from the UK; officially the UK won't provide any information since it's a case involving the death penalty, unofficially a UK embassy official said it is David Miller's phone, according to a witness during the hearing. Whether the judge will accept that as proof of provenance is up to him.

The defense on the other hand made it clear that they were very much against the UK helping in any way on the matter; that is why I've said many times that the people that want to see the crimes solved and want the defense to win should consider the possibility that they are holding mutually exclusive positions.

In any case, as I mentioned, the phone is identical to Miller's; what are the chances of that phone disappearing from the victim, an identical one being found by the suspects (supposedly after they were back to their room? On top of that they (the defendants) themselves said they thought it could be linked to the murders, apparently the day after the crime. Now then... how did they know there was a phone missing from the victim back then? Let alone knowing what brand and model it was.

People that have been saying these men are innocent of any involvement in the crime should try to put things in perspective and be honest with themselves, if the same circumstances were related to any of the other suspects in the alternate theories, would they dismiss all of this out of hand?

The Phone AleG..for the last time..unless can be shown belong To David has no bearing on this case..there's many ways to narrow or indeed prove that it was David's but in everyway the RTP have failed to remotely link it to David. The RTP say it was David's phone..That's all and I for one and I suspect many in here have big doubts about that..It fits there story and that's all. And even if it was so what. Doesn't tell anything that contradicts anything that's been said. It doesn't link anybody or anything to the crime. Leave the phone out of the discussion AleG !! And again I'm not going to reply to your defense of my statement so you might as well not bother ! Edited October 11, 2015 by Nigeone

[Chetzee]

The Phone AleG..for the last time..unless can be shown belong To David has no bearing on this case..there's many ways to narrow or indeed prove that it was David's but in everyday the RTP have failed to remotely link it to David. The RTP say it was David's phone.

the phone now confirmed to be davids

[StealthEnergiser]

broken iPhone now confirmed as belonging to David Miller , this info passed to the prosecution by the Miller family

I think this phone may be David's and the Police have it .Chris ware has already suggested that the broken phone is not David's.

unbroken phone

Edited October 11, 2015 by StealthEnergiser

[AleG]

Sexual abuse now too?

Catchy headline, not supported by anything in the article though. Again the same thing...

"The next day we heard about the murders and we were worried it might be related to someone involved in the murders. My friend smashed up the phone and threw it into the undergrowth behind our hut."

Well, that at least should definitely put to rest the accusations that the police planted the phone. Although I wouldn't hold my breath.

As an alibi though, it leaves a lot to be desired.

Oh I see, so you do actually believe the article despite discrediting it in your first sentence............oh the irony

The defendants have said that same thing since at least December, that they just happened to find the phone on that night. In spite of that, and in spite of me pointing out that fact many, many times, some people have repeatedly dismissed the phone as being evidence on the basis that they claimed the police planted it.

So yes, I believe it when they say they had it since the night of the murders because, if anything, in their own self interests they would deny any connection to it; therefore if they don't it means the fact is undeniable.

That's how to read the news, check the sources and mind the biases.

[Chetzee]

broken iPhone now confirmed as belonging to David Miller , this info passed to the prosecution by the Miller family

Where did this info come from ?

just now , Skynews bulletin from Samui . the info withheld by the uk gov , but the miller family had contact with the phone provider , and have now confirmed that the phone was david's . this info passed to the prosecution just now

[HUH]

Iphone

unable to link the post but if you google "Police all at sea in island murder probe"

there is a report of women’s bags, a camera, an iPhone and money were stolen the night before at the same spot.

That brings up the BP but its over the 60 period so need a premium membership to read, is it referring to the muggings that took place the night before at the same spot?

[catsanddogs]

broken iPhone now confirmed as belonging to David Miller , this info passed to the prosecution by the Miller family

Where did this info come from ?

And when? Link please chetzee.