Forensic team to testify in Koh Tao murder trial

[fritzzz25]

Now, lets hope there is a forensic gait analysis is done on someone else initially named in the investigation.

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Main basis prosecution cross examination seemed to me an attempt to convince court that I was seeking to personally benefit from the case

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Prosecution questioned many times MWRN's fund spending/transparency. Each time I explained in detail spending/highlighted spending summaries

It reminds of some people here trying to paint a bad picture of Andy Hall intentions and motives, seriously if he did all he does for the money, he didn't choose the right cases, and wouldn't have taken the risks he has taken in the natural fruit case.

Like someone said before, I strongly believe that without him, this trial would have been very very different, the B2 owe him big time. The coverage he has given to the case saved them so far.

The donations don't amount to huge sums and for such a trial, you need funds obviously, the 2 accused wouldn't have been able to fight the accusation without the generosity of many concerned donors.

But it is easier to attack the messenger than it's message I guess...

The person slamming Andy Hall has zero credibility and a lot of posters here know that. I have the proof of that.....

[fab99]

Now, lets hope there is a forensic gait analysis is done on someone else initially named in the investigation.

<SARCASM ON>but but haven't you heard? The person you are referring to has been proven to be totally innocent by the RTP with irrefutable proofs : state of the art DNA testing and CCTV placing him in Bangkok hours after the crime happened, it can't be him, so stop asking for rational and professional analysis, you tink too mut<SARCASM OFF>

More seriously, I would think this analysis and comparison has already been done, but it has no place in this court, the defense's goal and responsibility is to prove the accused are innocent, it's the RTP responsibility (or it should be) to find other possible suspects, specially as their scenario doesn't add up now.

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[JoopJoop]

Anyone one know where Fresh Milk is these days?

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Main basis prosecution cross examination seemed to me an attempt to convince court that I was seeking to personally benefit from the case

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Prosecution questioned many times MWRN's fund spending/transparency. Each time I explained in detail spending/highlighted spending summaries

It reminds of some people here trying to paint a bad picture of Andy Hall intentions and motives, seriously if he did all he does for the money, he didn't choose the right cases, and wouldn't have taken the risks he has taken in the natural fruit case.

Like someone said before, I strongly believe that without him, this trial would have been very very different, the B2 owe him big time. The coverage he has given to the case saved them so far.

The donations don't amount to huge sums and for such a trial, you need funds obviously, the 2 accused wouldn't have been able to fight the accusation without the generosity of many concerned donors.

But it is easier to attack the messenger than it's message I guess...

It looks like the Prosecution has picked up on some of the ugly rumours surrounding Andy Hall which were started by a certain element within the expat community on Koh Samui, one of whom was posting on this forum until very recently. Their motives for perpetuating these rumours is beyond my understanding. Human nature is vile sometimes

[GOLDBUGGY]

Well, and as I said in the very first place, and will repeat again now, I am not interested in anything that goes on behind the scenes if it is not presented in a court of law and used as evidence. Even Forensic Experts have a right to their own opinion.

If she has some damning evidence, which has been claimed for months, then present it to the court. That is if she is not breaking any UK Laws, which she should check first. But go ahead. I am all ears. Let's see what she has. Or is all that just more smoke and no fire?

Did you read the Coroner's answer that MadAussie forwarded not long ago? It made things clearer, but I will help you with that :

The evidence (said to be contradicting the Thai autopsy) will eventually be made public, but the enquiry is still ongoing so it can't be for now.

As it was seemed to be helpful to the defense though (in a murder/rape case, punishable by death...), it was forwarded privately so that the judges could have a look at it and include it in their decision making.

I know you and AleG don't like that fact, but that is the way it is, and as far as I am concerned, anything that can shed some tangible light on what happened should be considered, and not only a selection that helps to justify just one scenario presented in this trial (which seems totally wrong now, if you look at it with enough clarity).

Oh! You mean the inquest to be held in the UK at a future date. What was it now? Oh Yeah! The first date will be on October 15th, to discuss when the inquest will be held.

Let's see now! Trial over by the end of September. Verdict from the Panel of Judges sometime in early October. Inquest date maybe sometime next year, or November or December.

Yeah! I can easily see now how this is going to help the Defenses Case. Thanks for pointing this out to everyone,

You seem slow, so I will explain again, I thought it was clear, but I guess it isn't for some...

The inquiry is in progress, it has been for a few months now, particularly the autopsy whose result is of interest to us here and which has been transfered to the defense as it could help them (by the way in a normal justice system anything that can help the defense has to be transferred to them otherwise a mistrial can be pronounced).

The result of the inquest will eventually be made public and if it is telling a different story to the RTP one (as the autopsy seems to show) then, if the B2 are convicted, it will for sure make the headlines.

The Thai judges know that and they know what is in the report (and we will too in due time), so they will probably take it into account in their decision making, whether you like it or not.

You seem to be the slow one here so let me try to explain to you now.

The Defense has less than a week to state their case. They could ask for an extension but since their Alleged Star Witness didn't take the stand yesterday it looks like they will have plenty of time in the 2 or 3 days they have left. At this point the Defense Rests their case, just as the Prosecution did awhile back, and no further evidence will be brought forward.

So I propose to you that a verdict may be handed down before the next inquiry date of October 15th. Even then we don't know if this date is the inquiry date or the date they will determine what actual date will be.So either way it will probably be too late. So now lets look at what they may have from the UK Forensic Team..

If the bodies were Embalmed before they were sent home, as many people here have claimed, which is also standard procedure, then this is what they have left. A body that was totally washed with disinfectant. A Body drained of all bodily fluids via the use of chemicals. A Body with the Chest Cavity emptied of all vital organs. Other than collecting hair and fingernail samples for DNA Testing what else is left? Why would you even preform an autopsy on a body like this? How can you truly determine the cause of death when many parts of it has been removed, including the Blood?

But for a moment let's say they did discover something, like DNA under Hannah's Fingernail and it didn't point to the accused. What does that actually prove? How many times have you accidentally scratched someone with a Jagged Fingernail? For all we know Hannah could have squeezed a pimple on her friend's bum on the night in question. It means nothing unless it can link the 2 accused to her as they said they never saw her that night.

But what if the bodies were sent and were not Embalmed? Well then this might be a different story.But I would think you would need special permission to do this and since there is no paper trail I know of it is highly unlikely. For "Repatriation" from Thailand, the body is normally required to be embalmed or cremated. So not very likely it wasn't embalmed without the world knowing.

All you have is some papers that someone claims was from a Forensic Expert in the UK. Not even a sworn statement taken under oath. If it was signed under oath in the UK, what bearing does this have in Thailand. If this person lied could this person be held accountable in Thailand for this crime committed in the UK? Not likely! So what evidence is that, about some statement made by someone claiming to be a Forensic Expert in the UK, who doesn't take the stand to swear under oath there qualifications, authenticity, or verification of these findings on this documents? Would "Hearsay" be close?

Headline News has no bearing or weight in the outcome of a Murder Trail. In most cases a Judge will tell the Jury to avoid the Media Reports while the trial is ongoing. I suppose a judge follows his own rules and although I have no idea here, but I suspect it is the same here, like anywhere else. I never heard of a verdict overturned based on the Media. Watergate may come close to that, but they had witnesses and evidence to state there case, which they presented to the Prosecutor for everyone to see. .

[IslandLover]

@StealthEnergiser - thanks for posting all these updates from Andy Hall. I notice that he doesn't exactly disclose what the discrepancies are between the Thai and U.K. autopsy reports on Hannah Witheridge, and that the Witheridge family couldn't stomach it and again walked out of the courtroom. Surely they knew what was in the U.K. autopsy report? Yet the family still went ahead and issued that prejudicial statement via the FCO back in December. In a way it's unfortunate those details are being withheld because it makes it impossible for any of us to understand how the Defence is so certain the B2 didn't commit this crime. If those discrepancies do in fact point to the B2 not being the killers, let's hope the judges in this case do the right thing.

[happy Joe]

For me clearly Andy Hall = Solidarity Business.

His interventions does not serve the interests of defense, on the contrary. His words are a general polemics jumble far from the requirement of a fair trial at which the observation must be limited to specific facts.

Does also to always seek the spotlight and pose for a pic with accused families and Pornhip discredit analysis of this latter. One cannot claim himself expert and supporter.

Really with this kind of friend you no longer need enemies ...

[IslandLover]

@catsanddogs - you are absolutely correct. Why have these so-called "friends" remained so resolutely silent? I find it depressing. On the one hand I can understand them not wanting to come back to Thailand to testify as witnesses after the harassment Chris Ware suffered at the hands of the RTP and others, but I cannot believe they know absolutely nothing about what happened that night. They are witnesses, by the very nature of their being with Hannah and David that night, for God's sake! We are told that they all had to give statements to the British police on their return to the U.K., but like the Metropolitan Police report on the RTP investigation, those statements may never see the light of day, and certainly not at this trial. I understand the Defence team did appeal to these travelling companions to come forward but they were met with total silence. I also cannot believe that nobody heard anything while the murders were being carried out. The crime scene was just yards from the Ocean View resort. Surely there must have been other tourists in those rooms which overlook the rocks on Sairee beach who may have heard shouting and screaming? Yet no-one has come forward. It just doesn't make sense. Unfortunately it has become a despicable trait in the 21st century that people don't want to become involved when something like that occurs and will just look the other way. People are more interested in self-preservation than helping others and doing the right thing.

I think the only occasion these friends are likely to speak out will be at the inquests in the U.K. (the Coroner could demand it), but those could be years away. If this case goes to appeal I don't believe the inquests will be held until all the Thai court processes have been exhausted.

I am inclined to be more charitable in my assessment of the victims' friends. You need to judge their actions in the light of their youth, lack of world experience, and total ignorance of how things work in Thailand specifically. They will have given full statements to both the Thai police (who will have been charming) and the UK police. They will then consider they have done their duty, especially when they have been advised not to talk to the media and to leave it to the professionals to ensure justice is done. They are guilty of being naive, not selfish. I am sorry for them because, in time, some will realize they were manipulated.

I agree with some of what you say, but not all of it. I'm still of the opinion that today's younger generation are as selfish as hell. The types that go to Koh Tao are going there mainly to party and indulge themselves. I know that when I was in my early 20s I would have acted differently than these so-called friends, but there again I was brought up in different times. For an example of "self-preservation", you have to look no further than the likes of Sean McAnna and his ilk.

Edited September 24, 2015 by IslandLover

[IslandLover]

But Mr Hall told the court that the examination by the Norfolk coroner discovered .......... (REMOVED) contradicting the contents of the Thai pathologists report conducted immediately after her death.

The prosecution has alleged that her injuries are consistent ......... (REMOVED)

So whats the deal? Gunshot???

It wouldn't surprise me.

[dundee48]

For me clearly Andy Hall = Solidarity Business.

His interventions does not serve the interests of defense, on the contrary. His words are a general polemics jumble far from the requirement of a fair trial at which the observation must be limited to specific facts.

Does also to always seek the spotlight and pose for a pic with accused families and Pornhip discredit analysis of this latter. One cannot claim himself expert and supporter.

Really with this kind of friend you no longer need enemies ...

At the risk of getting banned you sir are an absolute disgrace,didn`t take long for accusations to start did it,because that`s all you`ve got.

[fab99]

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It is a waste of time to answer you GB, like always you twist the truth and make convenient mistakes, I won't point to them one by one, but you know absolutely nothing about what can be recovered from Hannah's body so you see it as irrelevant, I am sorry, but I, and many many other don't look at it the same way.

Like with AH you choose to try to discredit the source of the message when the message doesn't suit your agenda, I put a lot more trust in this forensic expert than on the RTP ones, but it is my opinion and you obviously don,t share it, so leave it at that...

[GOLDBUGGY]

I believe we have a certain poster on here that must have everyone on ignore apart from one or 2 buddies coz he sure as hell takes no notice of the facts presented by other posters and is unable to comprehend basic logic. An I don't care attitude that is echoed by the RTP from the beginning of the investigation right through to the end of the prosecution case. Get a conviction and disregard all else. Fair trial......whats that, their just a couple of migrant scum in their eyes. Human rights defenders an inconvenient distraction but ignored never the less. Evidence that contradicts their case, we don't care.

Pure evil in my opinion

Yes and he has absolutely no respect we know that from the Anniversary a few days ago when he questioned another poster when asked to stop posting for a day out of respect.

You will also see where he calls Hannah by her last name only it just show that he doesn't even care about upsetting her family.

I know we shouldn't talk about other posters but please thai visa for the good of the thread take note what is going on and who is making these problems.

I see the 10 Tag Team against one opponent is back again, all screaming for justice and fairness.

I have no problem in you believing that the 2 Accused are Innocent. So why does it bother you so much that I am not convinced yet and like you? Is it because of what I said?

Was it false when I said the 2 Accused at first Confessed to this crime? That their Confession led to the discovery of what was reported as David Miller's Mobile Phone? That the 2 Accused were not on the beach that night at, or near, the time of the rape or murders? That the 2 Accused don't have alibis, except from themselves? That their clothes were stolen when they went for a swim? Or is it that the Thai Police did not claim that the DNA Samples from the 2 Accused match that which was found inside of Hannah?

I read all this in the Media and just like you did. So what have I fabricated to get you so upset at what I think and my own opinion? If you choose to think otherwise then Up-to-You! But attacking every poster you so happen to disagree with will only get this sight shut down. So please try to stay on topic for everyone else's sake, and stop the personal attacks.

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@JQP6 Defence have requested these documents. Without them no DNA test can be credible. Hopefully the judges understand this.

2 or 3 posters here fail to understand this but yes lets hope the judges do and also keep up the critical thinking BBC

[GOLDBUGGY]

Well, not really. I still think that OJ was guilty. But then I am not the court. What is the most important is what the court thinks and not me. That they have not been influenced by the media and social networks. I hope they believe innocent until proven guilty, which they are sworn to do.

But the Prosecution has made there case already, and whether you believe it is strong or not, they point to the accused guilt. So now it is the Defense Team that has to dispute this, which I believe they are doing now. They have to create reasonable doubt. If you believe reasonable doubt has been created already, then good on you. But I don't. .

There are similarities between the OJ Simpson trial and this one, on both the defense exploited shortfalls in the investigation and playing up racial issues to influence the verdict, the outcome of that trial was a miscarriage of justice, since a jury was swayed by those tactics allowing a guilty man to walk free.

On this case there is no jury, so hopefully the verdict will be decided on the actual merits of the case rather than on what buttons can be pushed on a person to make a decision based on emotion rather than an objective analysis of the evidence.

This is not the OJ Simpson trial and what evidence should the judge make an objective analysis on? All i can see is an alleged forced confession and a DNA sample that cannot be verified. It seems you need to take a leaf out of your own book and think objectively.

you are right though, I too hope the judge can analyse the evidence and take it on its merits, from what I can see the B2 will then be going home with their family.

Have you considered that the only side you got information from is from the Defenses Side reporting to the Media. Have you seen the Prosecution in the last 10 months standing outside with Reporter and talking about this case like them. Well I haven't. So just because the Prosecution doesn't get into a Cat Fight with the Defense Team outside with the Media, it doesn't mean everything said about this case is true.

I personally would rather wait to hear the information given after the Verdict is handed down, and if any is given and available then. Only the people in the court room can tell what has gone on, to a certain extent as they won't see all documents, but the Judges will. Reporting from the Defense Team seems to me that it might be biased, considering we all know what side they are on. But up to you if you want to believe every word they say.

[thailandchilli]

The media are quite capable of reporting themselves and do. They have reporters directly in the court. I know you feel the reports are one sided but the truth hurts sometimes.

EDIT

As for the prosecution witnesses not making statements or giving interviews, put your brain in gear. They would be torn to shreds by the media after the first couple of questions, do you not remember, they "don't know" anything! Apart from pointing fingers and saying it was them.

Edited September 24, 2015 by thailandchilli

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Day 18 Koh Tao murder trial witnesses National Human Rights Commission, accused lawyer and Wai Phyo's Myanmar friend.

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And day 19 will be witnesses from the Myanmar Embassy in Bangkok. The defendants Wai Phyo/Zaw Lin have yet to complete their testimonies

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Andy Hall retweeted Jonathan Head

Excellent analysis from @pakhead on challenges facing defense team international DNA forensics experts

Andy Hall added,

Jonathan Head @pakhead

At #kohtao murder trial today. Defence have Aust forensic expert but she can't testify till police show documents that back their DNA tests

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And day 19 will be witnesses from the Myanmar Embassy in Bangkok. The defendants Wai Phyo/Zaw Lin have yet to complete their testimonies

Woah the friend from burma bravely enters the arena! Finally a witness i assume who was there with the defendents on the night in question. Edited September 24, 2015 by fireplay

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Andy Hall retweeted Jonathan Head

Excellent analysis @pakhead Koh tao trial. Were police DNA tests reliable?Handwritten scribbles on paper admissible?

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Jonathan Head @pakhead

#kohtao murder trial all attention still on police DNA tests - only evidence linking defendants to crime. Were tests reliable or not?

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Andy Hall retweeted Jonathan Head

Without providing supporting documents as requested by defense team how can DNA tests be credible/reliable @pakhead

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Jonathan Head @pakhead

@JQP6 Defence have requested these documents. Without them no DNA test can be credible. Hopefully the judges understand this.

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Some Acume Forensics pictures gait analysis stating running man not Wai Phyo uploaded here https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10153235423705677&id=675065676&ref=m_notif&notif_t=tagged_with_story …

Fantastic work... comparing a walk on flip flops with a barefoot run.

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Some Acume Forensics pictures gait analysis stating running man not Wai Phyo uploaded here https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10153235423705677&id=675065676&ref=m_notif&notif_t=tagged_with_story …

Fantastic work... comparing a walk on flip flops with a barefoot run.

I take it your now also an expert on Gait technology and base your comment on a handful of stills without seeing the movie or hearing the testimony from the "real" expert

[GOLDBUGGY]

More memories by you that are unsubstantiated. I'm particularly interested in this little gem " including eye witnesses" Please go ahead and prove me wrong with a link that states they had these eye witnesses who were going to attend the trial. Other than those who were to afraid to attend.

"U Aung Myo Thant said one of the eyewitnesses saw the men who accompanied the British tourists Hannah Witheridge and David Miller from the hotel shortly before the murder. Another witness said he had seen the rape by the light of his motorbike."

I'm sure you are quite satisfied in believing the reason these supposed witnesses don't seem to have materialized is because they were scared of by some vague but nefarious group, from appearing in court... or recording their testimony outside of court, or anything at all that would point to their actual existence.

That is a quite excellent link. Your prediction of why I think the witnesses are not testifying (hinted at in your linked article, and supported by other reports) is also spot on. Besides physical danger, their ability to continue living and working in Thailand would vanish were they to testify. The defense has statements, but they would (rightly) just be treated as hearsay unless the witnesses were willing to attend court.

According to Jonathan Head at the BBC, hearsay evidence is allowed in Thai courts.

A. Hearsay Rule

The Group afterwards discussed the rules of evidence in respective countries regarding hearsay and

documentary evidence. The participants from Thailand, Malawi, Indonesia and Japan said that hearsay

evidence is inadmissible in their courts. The person who perceived the crime with his or her senses is

required to give testimony in court to allow the court to cross-examine him or her.

The participant from Niger said that in his country’s legal system hearsay evidence is admissible during trial.

The participants from Indonesia and Malawi went on to say that despite the general inadmissibility of hearsay evidence in

their courts, the testimony of an expert witness can be admitted in court in the absence of the expert. The

Japanese participants said that one of the exceptions to the ban on hearsay evidence is when the defence

agrees to its use in court.

Other exceptions are provided in the Code of Criminal Procedure. For example,

when the witness cannot testify in court because he or she has passed away, is outside the country etc., the

written statement recorded by the prosecutor is admitted in court as hearsay evidence. If the witness has

changed the statement since it was recorded by the prosecutor and the requirements provided in the Code of

Criminal Procedure are satisfied, the statement is admitted in court as hearsay evidence. Financial

statements and general ledgers are regarded as hearsay evidence in Japan; however, such evidence is

admissible as an exception to the hearsay rule, which is stipulated in the Code of Criminal Procedure.

http://www.unafei.or.jp/english/pdf/RS_No76/No76_14RC_Group3.pdf

[AleG]

But Mr Hall told the court that the examination by the Norfolk coroner discovered .......... (REMOVED) contradicting the contents of the Thai pathologists report conducted immediately after her death.

The prosecution has alleged that her injuries are consistent ......... (REMOVED)

So whats the deal? Gunshot???

The deal is to imply a lot by saying a little.

My guess is that the very initial pathologist reports did not clearly state rape had been committed but subsequently it did, so it appears Mr. Hall is doing a bit of cherrypicking here.

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Fantastic work... comparing a walk on flip flops with a barefoot run.

Fantastic work.....not providing supporting documents as requested by defense team on DNA tests to prove there credible! How many times have these been requested and for how long! Yes fantastic work!!

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But Mr Hall told the court that the examination by the Norfolk coroner discovered .......... (REMOVED) contradicting the contents of the Thai pathologists report conducted immediately after her death.

The prosecution has alleged that her injuries are consistent ......... (REMOVED)

So whats the deal? Gunshot???

The deal is to imply a lot by saying a little.

My guess is that the very initial pathologist reports did not clearly state rape had been committed but subsequently it did, so it appears Mr. Hall is doing a bit of cherrypicking here.

You know Aleg as there was some commentary noting something of a sexual nature....that could be true. Which is not much of the shocker I was expecting.

[realenglish1]

"Prime Minister Prayuth Cha n-o cha has said "nobody would dare" go after the wrong suspects because the case was so high-profile."

That means the PM is convicting them before they have a trial. And how does he know what the police did or did not do.

This trail is a clear indication of how police screw things up.

By the PMs comments he is also saying That the police only go after the right suspects in high profile cases and be damned if

they get the wrong ones on cases that do not make the press.

There is something severely wrong with the Thai judicial system and it starts with the POLICE

Edited September 24, 2015 by realenglish1

[AleG]

This is not the OJ Simpson trial and what evidence should the judge make an objective analysis on? All i can see is an alleged forced confession and a DNA sample that cannot be verified. It seems you need to take a leaf out of your own book and think objectively.

you are right though, I too hope the judge can analyse the evidence and take it on its merits, from what I can see the B2 will then be going home with their family.

Have you considered that the only side you got information from is from the Defenses Side reporting to the Media. Have you seen the Prosecution in the last 10 months standing outside with Reporter and talking about this case like them. Well I haven't. So just because the Prosecution doesn't get into a Cat Fight with the Defense Team outside with the Media, it doesn't mean everything said about this case is true.

I personally would rather wait to hear the information given after the Verdict is handed down, and if any is given and available then. Only the people in the court room can tell what has gone on, to a certain extent as they won't see all documents, but the Judges will. Reporting from the Defense Team seems to me that it might be biased, considering we all know what side they are on. But up to you if you want to believe every word they say.

It's evident that the people that claim there is no case against the Burmese are getting 90% of their information regarding the trial from statements coming from the defense, there is an obvious confirmation bias at work.

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But Mr Hall told the court that the examination by the Norfolk coroner discovered .......... (REMOVED) contradicting the contents of the Thai pathologists report conducted immediately after her death.

The prosecution has alleged that her injuries are consistent ......... (REMOVED)

So whats the deal? Gunshot???

The deal is to imply a lot by saying a little.

My guess is that the very initial pathologist reports did not clearly state rape had been committed but subsequently it did, so it appears Mr. Hall is doing a bit of cherrypicking here.

You know Aleg as there was some commentary noting something of a sexual nature....that could be true. Which is not much of the shocker I was expecting.

But they are saying cause of death so therein lies the contradiction

[StealthEnergiser]

this was deleted before I think because i never left a link

Andy Hall

I didn't have much time yesterday to tweet about my testimony in court as it was a marathon 12 hour session and so many issues. So I am very grateful to an unnamed individual who has sent me the below summary...

I have removed parts of one paragraph out of respect for the families of the female deceased Hannah Witheridge as that section of the information provides a graphic description of wounds relating to sexual violence that I don't consider personally should be discussed publicly.

What is copied below is as assembled by an unnamed individual present during the court proceedings. I do not accept responsibility for the below material and do not state it is a 100% accurate or complete summary of what I said in court yesterday..

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The British autopsy report on the body of Norfolk backpacker Hannah Witheridge, murdered in Thailand last year, does not match the Thai pathology report according to a renowned migrant rights expert.

British human rights activist Andy Hall told her murder trial in Koh Samui today that he had been given a copy of the Norfolk Coroners report, conducted after the bodies were returned to the UK last September, and there were serious discrepancies.

Ms Witheridge was murdered alongside fellow British tourist David Miller on the island of Koh Tao. It is alleged that the 23 year-old student had been raped before her death.

But Mr Hall told the court that the examination by the Norfolk coroner discovered .......... (REMOVED) contradicting the contents of the Thai pathologists report conducted immediately after her death.
The prosecution has alleged that her injuries are consistent ......... (REMOVED)

Mr Hall, a British national, resident in Thailand, who has been working with the defence lawyers to try to prove the innocence of the two Burmese men accused of killing her and Mr Miller, did not disclose the full details of the report in court but he handed it to the judges. He also noted that the prosecution had provided very few photographs of the Thai autopsy to support their findings.

Close family members of Hannah Witheridge, including her parents and siblings, had been in court up to the moment discussion on the pathology reports was introduced. They asked in advance what the evidence would entail and decided not to return to the courtroom.

Mr Hall, who is a leading advocate for Burmese migrant workers in Thailand, said he had spent considerable time researching the Koh Tao murder case to compile his own report.
He said he had liaised with a British forensics expert to examine the CCTV evidence presented by the prosecution, allegedly showing one of the accused men, Wei Phyo running away from the scene of the crime in the early hours of September 15th 2014.

"The man's face in the CCTV images is not clear so his identity cannot be proven. But Mr Stephen Cole of Acume Forensics has done an extensive forensic analysis of the gait of Wei Phyo, and the man in the picture, using only the video evidence supplied by the prosecution, and has proven categorically that Wei Phyo could not be the so-called "running man," said Mr Hall. The full report was submitted to the court.

Mr Hall interviewed numerous Burmese nationals in Koh Tao after the arrests of 22 year-old Wei Phyo and his friend Zaw Lin of the same age.

He said many had detailed shocking police torture tactics to him.

"One man told me he had been playing football with friends sometime after the murders when police approached the six of them. Three ran away but he was captured, beaten, and had a plastic bag put over his head for fifteen minutes to try to get him to disclose the names of the people who had run off. His account was very similar to those given by Wei Phyo and Zaw Lin," said Hall.

Mr Hall said there appeared to be a system in Koh Tao condoning illegal workers and even profiting from them.

"Illegal migrant workers on Koh Tao are allowed to stay on the island as long as they pay a monthly fee of around 10 pounds for a locally-issued ID card. This money yet they only earn between the equivalent of one hundred and two hundred pounds a month," said Hall.

Mr Hall also highlighted an interview on national television by one of the police translators involved in the case, giving inside details of the crimes long before the trial, and claiming the murder weapon in the crimes was a wine bottle.

However the prosecution has alleged the victims were bludgeoned to death with a garden hoe found close to the murder scene. The court has heard that no DNA from the two accused was found on the alleged murder weapon.

The trial will continue until Friday. A verdict is expected in October. Sein Htay Sun Nakhon Chomphuchat Aye Mar Cho Natalie Bergman

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