Forensic team to testify in Koh Tao murder trial

[balo]

So if there is no evidence of a sexual assault...does this mean no wounds...tears bruising...or perhaps parrington can break it down.

I am very curious as to what would be absent...i can imagine but not entirely clear. Now...if those physical wounds prevalent in a sexual assault are absent...how can RTP supporters get around that? They healed post mortem? It was consensual? Just wondering what kind of wiggle room is left for Mr. AleG and Goldbuggy to interpret this as. Perhaps just one opinion of a coroner which isn't as sound as the RTP coroner report?

I can't see the RTP supporters throwing in the towel just yet.

I am also surprised about the latest news , no sexual assaults.

So what was it then ? A revenge for something ? Just some guys, maybe high on drugs who decided to kill someone without any reason ?

Or maybe the evidence was not clear enough so they decided to pull the plug....

The thing is Balo if you agree no sexual assault took place this casts not only the RTP as incompetant...but absolute proof of a CONSPIRACY straight up lies about semen that didn't exist.

It sure looks that way if the conclusion in the end will be "no sexual assault", but we still don't know who the killers are and what sort of motives we're taking about . But we can forget the sex motive.

[aslimversgwm]

We have used Gait to describe a person, since the 1980's

We used an A-H profile when doing intelligence gathering and collating information about suspected terrorists in Northern Ireland. The G stood for Gait.

So it's not a new method of part of an identification procedure it's been around for over 30 years within the British Military.

A = Age

B= Build

C= complexion

D= distinguishing marks

E= elevation

F= can't recall

G= Gait

I have used this method for many years and still do to this day, it works.

F: Face/Forehead

E: Eyes/Ears

H: Height/Hair

Always good to hear from those with real knowledge of police investigatory work rather than the prattle from the uninformed that seems to dominate this forum.

[Darkknight666]

"Forget the sex part"

Hmm. Rejection maybe?

[theoldgit]

Inappropriate remark and a number of responses removed.

[Madaussie]

I do hope Crabby has taken a 2 week holiday in Hell.

[evadgib]

We have used Gait to describe a person, since the 1980's

We used an A-H profile when doing intelligence gathering and collating information about suspected terrorists in Northern Ireland. The G stood for Gait.

So it's not a new method of part of an identification procedure it's been around for over 30 years within the British Military.

A = Age

B= Build

C= complexion

D= distinguishing marks

E= elevation

F= can't recall

G= Gait

I have used this method for many years and still do to this day, it works.

F: Face/Forehead

E: Eyes/Ears

H: Height/Hair

Always good to hear from those with real knowledge of police investigatory work rather than the prattle from the uninformed that seems to dominate this forum.

Appreciated. I could elaborate but prefer not to torpedo such a serious thread.

RIP to the deceased & condolences to their families.

Edited September 24, 2015 by evadgib

[mcm991]

I for one would like to see a real investigation into the motives of a couple of our resident posters here.

Some time ago, I started to believe that their involvement here was way beyond reasoned argument or run of the mill 'psycho' trolling.

I would not be suprised if one or two of them are much more involved or have much more knowledge of the crime than they let on.

Just think about it for a minute ........ this is way beyond protecting some friends in the dive industry.....

[glenmohr]

So out of a 400 page UK coroner's report, the best for the defense is that there were no signs of damage that would normally occur during a violent rape. I would be careful to hang your hat too much on that one. There could be explanations for that other than that there was no rape.

How i wish such a crime occured to you.

Why should it be any more likely to occur to me than to yourself?

Mr Crab, are you not aware of the effect karma has in relation to bad people?

[sambum]

I am waiting for the explanation of how David was killed with a hoe without getting any of his blood on it.

Was washed off, or instructed to be washed off by those who are guilty.

Or the hoe was not used to kill David.

So what was the reenactment all about?

[scorecard]

Defence asks Thai court for more time in British backpacker murders

KOH SAMUI, THAILAND | BY PRAPAN CHANKAEW

KOH SAMUI: -- Lawyers for two Myanmar migrant workers accused of killing two British tourists on a Thai island appealed for more time on Thursday to prove they were scapegoats innocent of the brutal, high-profile murders.

Hannah Witheridge and David Miller, both in their 20s, were beaten to death a year ago on the southern holiday island of Koh Tao, causing outrage in Britain. Witheridge was also raped, a post-mortem examination showed.

Lawyers are trying to convince the judge that Zaw Lin and Win Zaw Htun were framed by police under pressure to solve a case that has caught international attention and hurt Thailand's image as a tourism haven.

The defence tentatively had until Friday to wrap up its case, but chief lawyer Nakhon Chomphupat said there were problems convincing witnesses to testify as some feared retribution.

Source: http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/09/24/uk-thailand-britain-murders-idUKKCN0RO0HE20150924

-- Reuters 2015-09-24

Is there any process within the Thai justice system whereby these scared witnesses could give their testimony direct to the judges behind closed doors or something similar? I guess one problem would be that the prosecution / defense must have the opportunity to cross examine etc.

Any members have any detailed knowledge about this, for Thailand?

[metisdead]

This topic is closed temporarily to sort out some issues.

[metisdead]

This topic is not the actual court case, whatever is said here is not going to have any meaning as to the court's decision. Some of the accusations posted recently in this topic have been pretty nasty and if the family members of the deceased would have read those posts, I am sure they would have been utterly appalled to say the least.

Topic is now re-opened, if the discussion continues in the same manner as all the other topics in this case, will be closed again.

[StealthEnergiser]

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Day 18 of Koh Tao trial just ended after human rights commission, lawyer and myanmar migrant worker gave testimony

At end of proceedings judges asked defense if their witnesses would be complete tomorrow as last day of trial, lawyers replied not possible.

Defence requested extra 2 days after tomorrow's hearing, prosecution said agreed to only one day. Judge agreed extension but finalise 2mrw.

The judge will rule on length of trial extension tomorrow and the judges, prosecution and defence lawyers will then agree on mutual dates.

In thai court system finding mutual dates for court, prosecution & defence lawyers notoriously difficult. Can result in months of delays.

[StealthEnergiser]

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@jockywilson10 each side state how many days and request to court. Court approves or decides. Prosecution originally requested 12/defense 6

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@jockywilson10 defense requested an extra day for Dr Pornthip, gave up one day to the prosecution on 1st Sept and now try extra extra 2 days

[StealthEnergiser]

BBC News - Thailand murders: Hannah Witheridge's family return to trial final days http://t.co/gFt1UCaP28

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Disturbed Koh Tao prosecution question to migrant witness suggest Rakhine people often kill people hitting over head https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10153236354015677&id=675065676 …

[StealthEnergiser]

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[StealthEnergiser]

Witness for Myanmar workers accused in murder of British tourists alleges Thai police corruption Torture and intimidation commonly used by local investigators, says a defence witness for two Myanmar migrant workers accused of murdering two young tourists.

BANGKOK — Defence witnesses for two Myanmar migrant workers accused of murdering two young British tourists on a Thai resort island testified Thursday that torture and intimidation are commonly used by local investigators.

The three witnesses — a representative of the National Human Rights Commission, a lawyer who interviewed the defendants, and a fellow migrant worker — all described how a violent and abusive system allegedly caused the suspects to make confessions they later recanted.

http://www.metronews.ca/news/world/2015/09/24/defence-witnesses-in-thai-tourist-murder-trial-allege-corruption-injustice.html

[StealthEnergiser]

Koh Tao Murders: Defense Team Pleads for More Time

Wearing helmets and handcuffs, two Myanmar migrant laborers accused of killing two British tourists on Koh Tao in September 2014, participate in a 're-enactment' of the alleged crime in this 3 Oct., 2014, file photo. Photo: Reuters

SURAT THANI — Lawyers for two Myanmar migrant workers accused of killing two British tourists on Koh Tao appealed for more time on Thursday to prove they were scapegoats innocent of the brutal, high-profile murders.

Hannah Witheridge and David Miller, both in their 20s, were beaten to death a year ago on the southern holiday island of Koh Tao, causing outrage in Britain. Witheridge was also raped, a post-mortem examination showed.

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1443094081

[StealthEnergiser]

BURMA

Defense Cites Serious Shortcomings in Koh Tao Murder Probe as Trial Continues

By SAW YAN NAING / THE IRRAWADDY | September 24, 2015

CHIANG MAI, Thailand — The defense team representing two Burmese men on trial for the murder of two British backpackers on a Thai resort island last year cited serious shortcomings in the police investigation as court proceedings continued Wednesday.

Burmese migrants Zaw Lin and Wai Phyo are standing trial for the killing of David Miller and Hannah Witheridge on Koh Tao in September last year. However, the handling of the case by Thai police has been the subject of significant controversy and the two Burmese men have alleged they were tortured into a confession.

Andy Hall, a Thailand-based migrant rights activist assisting the accused, told The Irrawaddy the police investigation was marred by allegations of misconduct, procedural faults and questionable evidence.

http://m.irrawaddy.org/burma/defense-cites-serious-shortcomings-in-koh-tao-murder-probe-as-trial-continues.html

[StealthEnergiser]

Thailand murders: Hannah Witheridge's family return to trial final days

• A British family has flown to Thailand to witness the final days of their daughter's alleged killers' trial.

  Hannah Witheridge, 23, from Hemsby, Norfolk, and David Miller, 24, from Jersey, were found dead on the island of Koh Tao in September last year.

  Two Burmese migrants Zaw Lin and Wai Phyo deny involvement in the murders.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-34346921

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Day 19 Koh Tao trial today. Defence calls 3 officials from Myanmar embassy to testify on meeting the accused in prison and race/religion

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Should the 3 myanmar embassy officials complete their testimony early, depending on time/exhaustion levels, Zaw Lin may take the stand 2day

[StealthEnergiser]

KOH TAO

Lawyers ask for more time

Witnesses lack courage to confirm that the suspects were framed, they say

LAWYERS for the two Myanmar migrant workers accused of brutally killing two British tourists on Koh Tao last year have appealed for more time to prove that the defendants are scapegoats.

"I don't think we can have all of the witnesses [before today]," chief defence lawyer Nakhon Chomphupat said outside Koh Samui Provincial Court yesterday.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Lawyers-ask-for-more-time-30269515.html

[IslandLover]

I wonder if they also asked Andy where the passport the Defense magically produced in December came from ? Why he told everyone in his fundraising page the B2 had been in Thailand for 3 years when in fact this is a lie.

below are three different links confirming it ,they had in a interview with Charlie Campbell frim time.com and in the court said that they were here for 2 years.

http://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2015/07/07/trial-of-two-murder-suspects-in-thailand-starts-this-week/

https://www.dvb.no/news/koh-tao-murders-zaw-linn-details-police-torture-burma-thailand-myanmar/56989

http://time.com/3955081/thailand-koh-tao-murder-david-miller-hannah-witheridge-zaw-lin-wai-phyo-burma-myanmar/

3 years or 2 years? Why is this so important to you? Does it have any real bearing on this case? IIRC some cop said after the B2 were arrested that it was a few months. So, who is right and does it really matter?

As for the passport, well... Zaw Lin testified in court that another worker had taken his passport to get the visa extended at the time of his arrest on October 2nd and therefore he was unable to produce it when arrested. They didn't need to ask Andy as Zaw Lin spoke for himself.

[green job]

This topic is not the actual court case, whatever is said here is not going to have any meaning as to the court's decision. Some of the accusations posted recently in this topic have been pretty nasty and if the family members of the deceased would have read those posts, I am sure they would have been utterly appalled to say the least.

Topic is now re-opened, if the discussion continues in the same manner as all the other topics in this case, will be closed again.

This as I have said before should not be open for discusion, I agree with the MOD I suggest it is closed now for good. Period

[thailandchilli]

Good example of the attitude and disrespect shown for migrant workers on Koh Tao at the trial yesterday from the prosecutor.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10153236354015677&id=675065676

I was absolutely horrified at the level of degregation or abusive nature of the Koh Tao murder case prosecutor questions to a Myanmar migrant defence witness today at Koh Samui court. For me, this is beyond the bounds of reasonable behaviour by a prosecutor, lawyer or thai government official…
As note talking not allowed in the court every word may not be 100% accurate and I don’t insist this is a 100% accurate recollection.
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Prosecution lawyer: where are you from?
Myanmar migrant: Tavoy region, Myanmar
Prosecution lawyer:you know Rakhine ethnic persons?
Myanmar migrant: only a few, one of my friends works on an overnight boat from Surat Thani to Koh Phangan
Prosecution lawyer: did you agree that Rakhine people like to kill others by beating them over the head?
Myanmar migrant: (cannot remember answer but pretty sure he said no)
Prosecution lawyer: did you know recently that a Myanmar migrant killed their employer
Myanmar migrant: i heard about that, not clear what place

[Aj Mick]

This as I have said before should not be open for discusion, I agree with the MOD I suggest it is closed now for good. Period

May we know why?

[Eirene]

This as I have said before should not be open for discusion, I agree with the MOD I suggest it is closed now for good. Period

I've always found that if I am not interested in a topic or am not inclined to like what someone posts I just ignore them.

[JoopJoop]

Any chance of sticking with the court case and leaving the mud slinging out this time round?

Edited September 25, 2015 by JoopJoop