webfact Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 IUUNo extension for deadlines: EUBANGKOK: -- The European Commission has dismissed as "without foundation" a claim that Thailand has been given more time by the European Union to tackle illegal fishing practices or IUU, reported Eureporter online on Tuesday.The commission was referring to reports that quoted Thai government spokesman Sansern Kaewkamnerd as saying that Bangkok would be allowed to go beyond the initial deadline of October in taking the necessary corrective measures.In April, the EU yellow-carded the country's fishing industry giving it six months to improve its IUU situation or face a potentially crippling ban on seafood imports into the EU.Sansern claimed last week that the EU had extended the deadline, adding, "The prime minister is glad that the EU understands the Thai government's intentions and is allowing it to continue to solve the problem."But on September 21, a Commission spokesman told this online that such claims were "without foundation."Iris Petsa, press offficer for the Environment, Maritime Affairs and Fisheries Directorate in the Commission, said, "Reports about an extension are unfounded. No decision has been taken to date by the Commission on whether or not to give an extension to Thailand."She added, "The dialogue with Thailand is on-going and the commission is working on a permanent basis with the Thai authorities. This period is coming to an end at the end of October for Thailand."She said that Thailand had been engaged since April 2015 in the "dialogue process" with the commission and had been given six months to "negotiate with the executive and address its problems."The EU had previously denounced the country's shortcoming in its fisheries monitoring, control and sanctioning systems.The commission says that should the situation not improve the EU could resort to issuing a "red card", in other words banning fisheries imports from Thailand.Spanish centre right MEP Gabriel Mato, a Fisheries Committee member and former rapporteur for the Parliament on illegal fishing, is among those who supports the EU's tough stance against Thailand, saying he supported a red card if the situation does not improve.Meanwhile a senior MEP has reiterated the EU's usage of conditionality for democracy promotion.Under the policy, any trade agreements between the EU and third countries are linked to issues of human rights and democracy.For 20 years, the EU's trade agreements have included human rights clauses requiring the parties to these agreements to respect human rights and democratic principles.Since the military coup in Thailand in May 2014, the EU has suspended fledgling negotiations with Thailand on the bilateral Free Trade Agreement, commenced in 2013.The EU also refused to sign the Partnership and Cooperation Agreement finalised in November 2013, saying it will not be signed "until a democratically elected government is in place."On the conditionality issue, German Christian Democrat MEP Werner Langen, who chairs the European Parliament's ASEAN delegation, said: "Democracy, rule of law and the protection of human rights remain a high priority for the EU and in particular in the work of the European Parliament."Hence, the EU is keen to co-operate with ASean on the promotion and protection of international human rights standards. This said there is still a lot of work to do. The European Union believes in the universal character of human rights, and as such, it is a pillar of our foreign policy action."The MEP added, "In this regard, the EU aims at strengthening the dialogue with civil society organisations and non-state actors in the Asean region. We in the European Parliament will continue to look very carefully at the human rights situation."As in the past, human rights questions will be considered when it comes to deciding on Free Trade Agreements and Partnership and Cooperation Agreements."Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/No-extension-for-deadlines-EU-30269447.html-- The Nation 2015-09-24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverSure Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 "The sun will come out tomorrow So you got to hang on 'til tomorrow, come what may! Tomorrow, tomorrow, I love you tomorrow You're only a day away Tomorrow, tomorrow I love ya tomorrow You're only a day away ..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaywalker Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 (edited) "Sansern claimed last week that the EU had extended the deadline, adding, "The prime minister is glad that the EU understands the Thai government's intentions and is allowing it to continue to solve the problem." If a politician's mouth is moving he is lying. Edited September 23, 2015 by jaywalker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaiChai Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Where to start in Thailand? There is so much wrong. The saving grace is that ordinary Thai people are wonderful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiSoLowSoNoSo Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 A white lie Khun Sansern? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxLee Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Who cares about EU, China and North Korea will be Thailand's future partners anyway..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
englishoak Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 just love it when they get called out... without foundation otherwise translated as a load of b.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Absolutely no shame, yet another unfounded statement on behalf of someone else. About time the EU, and others, put the boot in as giving deadline extensions simply plays into Thai hands and doesn't generate any action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gravy Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Another statement that has my sides hurting with laughter. Idiotic and stupidity are just two words come to mind. Seems there will be tears in the end. In any other country someone who makes such false statements would be sacked or forced to resign. Here he will probably be promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SABloke Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) The amount of people that think that EU bureaucrats are somehow noble and honourable is quite amusing to behold. The fact that the article alludes to continuing ''negotiations'' shows that the show of ''force'' is just to appease the masses. October will come, Thais will continue there illegal practises and the EU will NOT issue a red. Edited September 24, 2015 by SABloke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klauskunkel Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 The commission was referring to reports that quoted Thai government spokesman Sansern Kaewkamnerd as saying that Bangkok would be allowed to go beyond the initial deadline of October in taking the necessary corrective measures. But on September 21, a Commission spokesman told this online that such claims were "without foundation." Khun Sansern is just laying the foundations for the upcoming "misunderstanding" plea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 "The prime minister is glad that the EU understands the Thai government's intentions" Those intentions may be the reason for the EU to not allow the Thai government an extension. The EU understands what kind of government it is dealing with and its profound record on human rights abuses. For the EU the reduction or loss of Thai seafood imports will have little affect on EU economy. Seafood exporters such as China, India, Indonesia, and Vietnam (#1, #2, #3 and #6 world ranking 2014 respectfully) will no doubt be pleased to replace Thailand's exports. Russia is a net exporter of seafood and does not need Thailand's seafood imports. Thailand's remaining market for seafood growth would be Africa - hardly a high value market. Prayut should be very concerned for the economic security of Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy chef 1 Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 The amount of people that think that EU bureaucrats are somehow noble and honourable is quite amusing to behold. The fact that the article alludes to continuing ''negotiations'' shows that the show of ''force'' is just to appease the masses. October will come, Thais will continue there illegal practises and the EU will NOT issue a red. Unfortunately I think you're right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxLee Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) No extension for deadlines: EU Hurry up and rug it under the carpet, Thailand!!!!!!! Quick, quick, and don't get caught....... Edited September 24, 2015 by MaxLee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quandow Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Thailand's HUBRIS knows no limit!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deckape Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Chickens.....roost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bongoz Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Thailand still failing to control human trafficking.... From ABC Australia news article 24/09/2015 "[The] asylum seeker ... had travelled from Bangladesh through Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia to reach his intended destination." http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-23/asylum-seekers-en-route-to-australia-in-indonesian-detention/6800294 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrowsdawdle Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Who cares about EU, China and North Korea will be Thailand's future partners anyway..... You have identified yourself as one who has never owned or managed a business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrowsdawdle Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 The commission was referring to reports that quoted Thai government spokesman Sansern Kaewkamnerd as saying that Bangkok would be allowed to go beyond the initial deadline of October in taking the necessary corrective measures. But on September 21, a Commission spokesman told this online that such claims were "without foundation." Khun Sansern is just laying the foundations for the upcoming "misunderstanding" plea. Or more likely, demanding that the EU show up for an attitude adjustment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan96822 Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Jones Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Thailand, bend over and take it like a good girl .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 It doesn't matter who is in government, the Democrats, PTP or any Thaksin proxy, or even the military in a Junta. There is always consistency. Government spokesmen make statements attributed to foreign countries, governments or leaders that are really just wishful thinking or figments of their imagination. And, as with all forms of authority here, everyone is expected to simply believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxLee Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Who cares about EU, China and North Korea will be Thailand's future partners anyway..... You have identified yourself as one who has never owned or managed a business. The point that I'm making is that the ruling elite in Thailand couldn't care less about what some nosy EU officials thinks....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulic Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Everyone knows you can't take politicians and bar girls at face value, it there lips are moving they are ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FangFerang Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I think the Thais jumped the gun and announced a promise before they were supposed to do so. I do not see a red card coming, from the EU or the US because....the EU and US businesses would lose short term cash. Suthep did the same thing when he admitted the coup had been planned for months before it happened. My cynicism is well earned. I paid for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaywalker Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) The amount of people that think that EU bureaucrats are somehow noble and honourable is quite amusing to behold. The fact that the article alludes to continuing ''negotiations'' shows that the show of ''force'' is just to appease the masses. October will come, Thais will continue there illegal practises and the EU will NOT issue a red. EU bureaucrats are far from noble. Every politician is. Yet when is the last time you saw a beach look like Pattaya replete with tons of garbage & jet ski scams day in and day out, in Europe? I abhor most governments, and I'm no tree-hugger either. Game and Fish regulations I do agree with 100% though. Edited September 24, 2015 by jaywalker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixdoglover Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 It doesn't matter who is in government, the Democrats, PTP or any Thaksin proxy, or even the military in a Junta. There is always consistency. Government spokesmen make statements attributed to foreign countries, governments or leaders that are really just wishful thinking or figments of their imagination. And, as with all forms of authority here, everyone is expected to simply believe it. And the Thai press is complicit in these deceits. Official statements are simply transcribed and rarely challenged. The officials are not called to account for their fabrications. Being a journalist in Thailand must be a life of constant under- achievement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just1Voice Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 A Thai official telling porkies.......again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunken Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) The Thai government's tendency to speak for others with a forked tongue nothwithstanding, anyone who believes the crap about human rights and democracy in the Op is a looney. Human rights: China, Saudi Arabia, Israel etc etc are all business partners of the EU. Democracy: Saudi & China again, Egypt, Vietnam etc etc are open to EU & foreign businesses. As for a Spanish MEP supporting the EU - total hypocrisy, as Spain still has one of the biggest trawler fleets that has over fished the Miditerranean, North Sea & North Atlantic for years. I go with the no red card side as Europe itself has never resolved IUU in it's own & international waters. The only good feature is that it has eliminated Shanghai-ing of people to serve as slaves on boats. Edited September 24, 2015 by khunken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gandalf12 Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 If they did less talking and put more effort into solving problems this country would be Utopia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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