Hillary Clinton promises gun control measures if elected president

[CMNightRider]

Some are treating the constitution like it was written by gods. Cant change it, its there for a reason.

Yet it has been changed. Can be changed. Should be changed. Nothing is stagnant, it must move with the times.

As long as the US treats the constitution with such reverance that it shall not be touched then citizens have no right to comment on Sharia law being antiquated.

By the way. Cars were not made with the intention to kill people. Guns are made to kill. Comparing the two is completely irrelevant.

You're an Australian and don't even live in the U.S. Why do you care about law abiding citizens in America being able to own a firearm? As far as Hillary is concerned, she will promise the moon to get elected. This woman has so much baggage, she could compete with Samsonite.

Edited October 7, 2015 by CMNightRider

[thaibeachlovers]

All the Democratic candidates as well as the majority of the American people believe there should be gun control laws. There isn't a single Republican candidate who would dare mention gun control because they'd be drummed out of the corp. That's the way they roll in wingnuttia.

Instead of real issues facing America, Republicans have their own issues they address. These aren't real problems. These are the problems Republicans want to address:

1. America has too few wars. (All the candidates are itching to start the next one.)

2. The rich pay too much in taxes. (Got to feed the cash machine)

3. America should do less about climate change. (Koch Bros don't like climate change talk.)

4. Poor people especially women are provided too much health insurance (Lazy bitches)

5. Immigrants are ruining everything (Put them all on buses and build the wall)

So instead of addressing the real problems like wage inequality, climate change, women's rights, the sorry state of the mental health programs, etc, etc, etc. We get the above crapola from the Republicans with ridiculous arguments like cars kill people so let's ban cars.

So it goes.

Christine wasn't a real car- cars don't kill anyone- bad drivers kill people with cars. Perhaps we shouldn't let anyone drive a car. Would certainly go a long way to reversing global warming, and doesn't the loony left believe in GW?

[Linky]

Some are treating the constitution like it was written by gods. Cant change it, its there for a reason.

Yet it has been changed. Can be changed. Should be changed. Nothing is stagnant, it must move with the times.

As long as the US treats the constitution with such reverance that it shall not be touched then citizens have no right to comment on Sharia law being antiquated.

By the way. Cars were not made with the intention to kill people. Guns are made to kill. Comparing the two is completely irrelevant.

You're an Australian and don't even live in the U.S. Why do you care about law abiding citizens in America being able to own a firearm? As far as Hillary is concerned, she will promise the moon to get elected. This woman has so much baggage, she could compete with Samsonite.

Whete do you live? If in the US why are you posting on a Thai forum. If in Thailand why do you comment about the US.

More to point, why do you comment about what is happening with refugees and muslims in other countries?

Is there a rule that one cannot comment? Best you report it and see what happens.

Intelligent people will tell you it is best to get an objective opinion on issues instead of a subjective opinion. Only a fool would disregard an objective view. Your post indicates as such.

[OMGImInPattaya]

All the Democratic candidates as well as the majority of the American people believe there should be gun control laws. There isn't a single Republican candidate who would dare mention gun control because they'd be drummed out of the corp. That's the way they roll in wingnuttia.

Instead of real issues facing America, Republicans have their own issues they address. These aren't real problems. These are the problems Republicans want to address:

1. America has too few wars. (All the candidates are itching to start the next one.)

2. The rich pay too much in taxes. (Got to feed the cash machine)

3. America should do less about climate change. (Koch Bros don't like climate change talk.)

4. Poor people especially women are provided too much health insurance (Lazy bitches)

5. Immigrants are ruining everything (Put them all on buses and build the wall)

So instead of addressing the real problems like wage inequality, climate change, women's rights, the sorry state of the mental health programs, etc, etc, etc. We get the above crapola from the Republicans with ridiculous arguments like cars kill people so let's ban cars.

So it goes.

There are already strict gun control laws in the United States, including very strict laws in the most populated areas like California, New York, Illinois, and the District of Columbia (funny these are also some of the areas with the highest crime and gun homicide rates). Do you know how much BS law-abiding citizens have to go through to buy and carry/use a gun? Have you ever bought and owned a gun?

You can rail all you want and beat your head against a wall but fortunately there is the Second Amendment, which has been found to give an individual right to own a gun (not a collective militia right ) and there's no way around that for you gun haters...so go pound sand!

[Linky]

All the Democratic candidates as well as the majority of the American people believe there should be gun control laws. There isn't a single Republican candidate who would dare mention gun control because they'd be drummed out of the corp. That's the way they roll in wingnuttia.

Instead of real issues facing America, Republicans have their own issues they address. These aren't real problems. These are the problems Republicans want to address:

1. America has too few wars. (All the candidates are itching to start the next one.)

2. The rich pay too much in taxes. (Got to feed the cash machine)

3. America should do less about climate change. (Koch Bros don't like climate change talk.)

4. Poor people especially women are provided too much health insurance (Lazy bitches)

5. Immigrants are ruining everything (Put them all on buses and build the wall)

So instead of addressing the real problems like wage inequality, climate change, women's rights, the sorry state of the mental health programs, etc, etc, etc. We get the above crapola from the Republicans with ridiculous arguments like cars kill people so let's ban cars.

So it goes.

There are already strict gun control laws in the United States, including very strict laws in the most populated areas like California, New York, Illinois, and the District of Columbia (funny these are also some of the areas with the highest crime and gun homicide rates). Do you know how much BS law-abiding citizens have to go through to buy and carry/use a gun? Have you ever bought and owned a gun?

You can rail all you want and beat your head against a wall but fortunately there is the Second Amendment, which has been found to give an individual right to own a gun (not a collective militia right ) and there's no way around that for you gun haters...so go pound sand!

Yeah who cares about children dying, as long as you can have a gun.

People have a right to be a**holes but that doesnt make it right.

[OMGImInPattaya]

All the Democratic candidates as well as the majority of the American people believe there should be gun control laws. There isn't a single Republican candidate who would dare mention gun control because they'd be drummed out of the corp. That's the way they roll in wingnuttia.

Instead of real issues facing America, Republicans have their own issues they address. These aren't real problems. These are the problems Republicans want to address:

1. America has too few wars. (All the candidates are itching to start the next one.)

2. The rich pay too much in taxes. (Got to feed the cash machine)

3. America should do less about climate change. (Koch Bros don't like climate change talk.)

4. Poor people especially women are provided too much health insurance (Lazy bitches)

5. Immigrants are ruining everything (Put them all on buses and build the wall)

So instead of addressing the real problems like wage inequality, climate change, women's rights, the sorry state of the mental health programs, etc, etc, etc. We get the above crapola from the Republicans with ridiculous arguments like cars kill people so let's ban cars.

So it goes.

There are already strict gun control laws in the United States, including very strict laws in the most populated areas like California, New York, Illinois, and the District of Columbia (funny these are also some of the areas with the highest crime and gun homicide rates). Do you know how much BS law-abiding citizens have to go through to buy and carry/use a gun? Have you ever bought and owned a gun?

You can rail all you want and beat your head against a wall but fortunately there is the Second Amendment, which has been found to give an individual right to own a gun (not a collective militia right ) and there's no way around that for you gun haters...so go pound sand!

Yeah who cares about children dying, as long as you can have a gun.

People have a right to be a**holes but that doesnt make it right.

Throwing out a non-sequiter (with a bit of Strawman too) doesn't win many arguments...people can see right through your "children" shield.

[AlexRRR]

The 'right to bear arms' had some relevance when it was necessary to defend oneself in the 'wild west'.

Now that the west isn't so wild, the cowboys have taken to shooting themselves, instead of the native Indians. Take these guns out of peoples' hands and they'll stop shooting each other. Seriously, it really doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. Maybe there's a Dr Von Braun out there to help the US solve this self inflicted disease.

You obviously don't understand why the founding fathers put the right to bear arms in the constitution. It wasn't for defence against Indians, it was to ensure the government could never become oppressors to the citizens. Still relevant today.

That second paragraph is a load of garbage.

With amusement me a non american reading this thread I'm kinda surprised at the venom against gun control, of all things American/US this right to bear arms is the most ridiculous.

To the gentleman who made a remark about mental health, most can go undetected there entire life, shows how much he knows about the subject.

The rest of us bar the Middle East and some parts of Africa recon you wanna take a hard look at yourselves, why do normal people need a machine gun or automatic weapons?

Haven't you noticed that these mass killings are virtually unheard of in other western countries, one of the reasons is that automatic and assault type weapons were banned along with tighter controls on licences.

[Soutpeel]

All the Democratic candidates as well as the majority of the American people believe there should be gun control laws. There isn't a single Republican candidate who would dare mention gun control because they'd be drummed out of the corp. That's the way they roll in wingnuttia.

Instead of real issues facing America, Republicans have their own issues they address. These aren't real problems. These are the problems Republicans want to address:

1. America has too few wars. (All the candidates are itching to start the next one.)

2. The rich pay too much in taxes. (Got to feed the cash machine)

3. America should do less about climate change. (Koch Bros don't like climate change talk.)

4. Poor people especially women are provided too much health insurance (Lazy bitches)

5. Immigrants are ruining everything (Put them all on buses and build the wall)

So instead of addressing the real problems like wage inequality, climate change, women's rights, the sorry state of the mental health programs, etc, etc, etc. We get the above crapola from the Republicans with ridiculous arguments like cars kill people so let's ban cars.

So it goes.

There are already strict gun control laws in the United States, including very strict laws in the most populated areas like California, New York, Illinois, and the District of Columbia (funny these are also some of the areas with the highest crime and gun homicide rates). Do you know how much BS law-abiding citizens have to go through to buy and carry/use a gun? Have you ever bought and owned a gun?

You can rail all you want and beat your head against a wall but fortunately there is the Second Amendment, which has been found to give an individual right to own a gun (not a collective militia right ) and there's no way around that for you gun haters...so go pound sand!

Wow "gun haters"...suprised you never accused the poster of anti american rhetoric as well

You post illustrates perfectly why there should be more firearms controls in the US

And for the record

1. I completed my military training 2. Carried a concealed firearm for many years in civvy street

3. Worked for a couple of years in the US and seen all manner of gun nuts and John Wayne types who should have never been allowed a fire arm in the first place

In my opinion the US should significantly tighten up the gun laws and take the legal guns off the various fruit loops and sort out the influnce of the NRA, which i am sure your a card carrying member of, as its completely out of hand in the US

Edited October 7, 2015 by Soutpeel

[Soutpeel]

The 'right to bear arms' had some relevance when it was necessary to defend oneself in the 'wild west'.

Now that the west isn't so wild, the cowboys have taken to shooting themselves, instead of the native Indians. Take these guns out of peoples' hands and they'll stop shooting each other. Seriously, it really doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. Maybe there's a Dr Von Braun out there to help the US solve this self inflicted disease.

You obviously don't understand why the founding fathers put the right to bear arms in the constitution. It wasn't for defence against Indians, it was to ensure the government could never become oppressors to the citizens. Still relevant today.

That second paragraph is a load of garbage.

With amusement me a non american reading this thread I'm kinda surprised at the venom against gun control, of all things American/US this right to bear arms is the most ridiculous.

To the gentleman who made a remark about mental health, most can go undetected there entire life, shows how much he knows about the subject.

The rest of us bar the Middle East and some parts of Africa recon you wanna take a hard look at yourselves, why do normal people need a machine gun or automatic weapons?

Haven't you noticed that these mass killings are virtually unheard of in other western countries, one of the reasons is that automatic and assault type weapons were banned along with tighter controls on licences.

As i pointed out in an earlier post upto 2004 South Africa had a "free for all" attitude as regards fire arms licensing, execpt you couldnt legally purchase assault rifle type fire arms, in 2004 they really tightened the rules and controls and it has been reported that fire arms related crimes have decreased by 21% since 2004 if the stats presented are correct Edited October 7, 2015 by Soutpeel

[Compo]

All the Democratic candidates as well as the majority of the American people believe there should be gun control laws. There isn't a single Republican candidate who would dare mention gun control because they'd be drummed out of the corp. That's the way they roll in wingnuttia.

Instead of real issues facing America, Republicans have their own issues they address. These aren't real problems. These are the problems Republicans want to address:

1. America has too few wars. (All the candidates are itching to start the next one.)

2. The rich pay too much in taxes. (Got to feed the cash machine)

3. America should do less about climate change. (Koch Bros don't like climate change talk.)

4. Poor people especially women are provided too much health insurance (Lazy bitches)

5. Immigrants are ruining everything (Put them all on buses and build the wall)

So instead of addressing the real problems like wage inequality, climate change, women's rights, the sorry state of the mental health programs, etc, etc, etc. We get the above crapola from the Republicans with ridiculous arguments like cars kill people so let's ban cars.

So it goes.

There are already strict gun control laws in the United States, including very strict laws in the most populated areas like California, New York, Illinois, and the District of Columbia (funny these are also some of the areas with the highest crime and gun homicide rates). Do you know how much BS law-abiding citizens have to go through to buy and carry/use a gun? Have you ever bought and owned a gun?

You can rail all you want and beat your head against a wall but fortunately there is the Second Amendment, which has been found to give an individual right to own a gun (not a collective militia right ) and there's no way around that for you gun haters...so go pound sand!

Hear, hear,

Well spoken.

Let's have more and more guns so that more and more Americans can kill each other at an ever increasing pace.

Might improve the odds for the rest of the world.

Why pound sand when nutters can murder school kids ?

Why

[OMGImInPattaya]

The 'right to bear arms' had some relevance when it was necessary to defend oneself in the 'wild west'.

Now that the west isn't so wild, the cowboys have taken to shooting themselves, instead of the native Indians. Take these guns out of peoples' hands and they'll stop shooting each other. Seriously, it really doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. Maybe there's a Dr Von Braun out there to help the US solve this self inflicted disease.

You obviously don't understand why the founding fathers put the right to bear arms in the constitution. It wasn't for defence against Indians, it was to ensure the government could never become oppressors to the citizens. Still relevant today.

That second paragraph is a load of garbage.

With amusement me a non american reading this thread I'm kinda surprised at the venom against gun control, of all things American/US this right to bear arms is the most ridiculous.

To the gentleman who made a remark about mental health, most can go undetected there entire life, shows how much he knows about the subject.

The rest of us bar the Middle East and some parts of Africa recon you wanna take a hard look at yourselves, why do normal people need a machine gun or automatic weapons?

Haven't you noticed that these mass killings are virtually unheard of in other western countries, one of the reasons is that automatic and assault type weapons were banned along with tighter controls on licences.

The United States is 7th among its peer group of nations in mass shooting deaths when adjusted for population...but don't let an inconvient truth interfere with your life in the liberal echo chamber.

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/06/348197-obama-said-mass-shootings-dont-happen-in-advanced-countries-like-in-us-one-chart-proves-him-wrong/

[OMGImInPattaya]

All the Democratic candidates as well as the majority of the American people believe there should be gun control laws. There isn't a single Republican candidate who would dare mention gun control because they'd be drummed out of the corp. That's the way they roll in wingnuttia.

Instead of real issues facing America, Republicans have their own issues they address. These aren't real problems. These are the problems Republicans want to address:

1. America has too few wars. (All the candidates are itching to start the next one.)

2. The rich pay too much in taxes. (Got to feed the cash machine)

3. America should do less about climate change. (Koch Bros don't like climate change talk.)

4. Poor people especially women are provided too much health insurance (Lazy bitches)

5. Immigrants are ruining everything (Put them all on buses and build the wall)

So instead of addressing the real problems like wage inequality, climate change, women's rights, the sorry state of the mental health programs, etc, etc, etc. We get the above crapola from the Republicans with ridiculous arguments like cars kill people so let's ban cars.

So it goes.

There are already strict gun control laws in the United States, including very strict laws in the most populated areas like California, New York, Illinois, and the District of Columbia (funny these are also some of the areas with the highest crime and gun homicide rates). Do you know how much BS law-abiding citizens have to go through to buy and carry/use a gun? Have you ever bought and owned a gun?

You can rail all you want and beat your head against a wall but fortunately there is the Second Amendment, which has been found to give an individual right to own a gun (not a collective militia right ) and there's no way around that for you gun haters...so go pound sand!

Hear, hear,

Well spoken.

Let's have more and more guns so that more and more Americans can kill each other at an ever increasing pace.

Might improve the odds for the rest of the world.

Why pound sand when nutters can murder school kids ?

Why

I couldn't have said it better...no amount of gun control (short of confiscating them all) will stop "nutters" from killing people.

[Soutpeel]

The 'right to bear arms' had some relevance when it was necessary to defend oneself in the 'wild west'.

Now that the west isn't so wild, the cowboys have taken to shooting themselves, instead of the native Indians. Take these guns out of peoples' hands and they'll stop shooting each other. Seriously, it really doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. Maybe there's a Dr Von Braun out there to help the US solve this self inflicted disease.

You obviously don't understand why the founding fathers put the right to bear arms in the constitution. It wasn't for defence against Indians, it was to ensure the government could never become oppressors to the citizens. Still relevant today.

That second paragraph is a load of garbage.

With amusement me a non american reading this thread I'm kinda surprised at the venom against gun control, of all things American/US this right to bear arms is the most ridiculous.

To the gentleman who made a remark about mental health, most can go undetected there entire life, shows how much he knows about the subject.

The rest of us bar the Middle East and some parts of Africa recon you wanna take a hard look at yourselves, why do normal people need a machine gun or automatic weapons?

Haven't you noticed that these mass killings are virtually unheard of in other western countries, one of the reasons is that automatic and assault type weapons were banned along with tighter controls on licences.

The United States is 7th among its peer group of nations in mass shooting deaths when adjusted for population...but don't let an inconvient truth interfere with your life in the liberal echo chamber.

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/06/348197-obama-said-mass-shootings-dont-happen-in-advanced-countries-like-in-us-one-chart-proves-him-wrong/

But not adjusted for population its still number 1.....your trying manipulate statistics thats all.....fact is more people died in the US than anywhere else....irrespective of the way you try to skew the data

[Soutpeel]

All the Democratic candidates as well as the majority of the American people believe there should be gun control laws. There isn't a single Republican candidate who would dare mention gun control because they'd be drummed out of the corp. That's the way they roll in wingnuttia.

Instead of real issues facing America, Republicans have their own issues they address. These aren't real problems. These are the problems Republicans want to address:

1. America has too few wars. (All the candidates are itching to start the next one.)

2. The rich pay too much in taxes. (Got to feed the cash machine)

3. America should do less about climate change. (Koch Bros don't like climate change talk.)

4. Poor people especially women are provided too much health insurance (Lazy bitches)

5. Immigrants are ruining everything (Put them all on buses and build the wall)

So instead of addressing the real problems like wage inequality, climate change, women's rights, the sorry state of the mental health programs, etc, etc, etc. We get the above crapola from the Republicans with ridiculous arguments like cars kill people so let's ban cars.

So it goes.

There are already strict gun control laws in the United States, including very strict laws in the most populated areas like California, New York, Illinois, and the District of Columbia (funny these are also some of the areas with the highest crime and gun homicide rates). Do you know how much BS law-abiding citizens have to go through to buy and carry/use a gun? Have you ever bought and owned a gun?

You can rail all you want and beat your head against a wall but fortunately there is the Second Amendment, which has been found to give an individual right to own a gun (not a collective militia right ) and there's no way around that for you gun haters...so go pound sand!

Hear, hear,

Well spoken.

Let's have more and more guns so that more and more Americans can kill each other at an ever increasing pace.

Might improve the odds for the rest of the world.

Why pound sand when nutters can murder school kids ?

Why

I couldn't have said it better...no amount of gun control (short of confiscating them all) will stop "nutters" from killing people.

True but confiscating the guns will reduce the numbers of people killed at a "single sitting" by the nutters....they will not be killing 20 during a single occurance with a knife or baseball bat will they ?

[OMGImInPattaya]

All the Democratic candidates as well as the majority of the American people believe there should be gun control laws. There isn't a single Republican candidate who would dare mention gun control because they'd be drummed out of the corp. That's the way they roll in wingnuttia.

Instead of real issues facing America, Republicans have their own issues they address. These aren't real problems. These are the problems Republicans want to address:

1. America has too few wars. (All the candidates are itching to start the next one.)
2. The rich pay too much in taxes. (Got to feed the cash machine)
3. America should do less about climate change. (Koch Bros don't like climate change talk.)
4. Poor people especially women are provided too much health insurance (Lazy bitches)
5. Immigrants are ruining everything (Put them all on buses and build the wall)

So instead of addressing the real problems like wage inequality, climate change, women's rights, the sorry state of the mental health programs, etc, etc, etc. We get the above crapola from the Republicans with ridiculous arguments like cars kill people so let's ban cars.

So it goes.

There are already strict gun control laws in the United States, including very strict laws in the most populated areas like California, New York, Illinois, and the District of Columbia (funny these are also some of the areas with the highest crime and gun homicide rates). Do you know how much BS law-abiding citizens have to go through to buy and carry/use a gun? Have you ever bought and owned a gun?

You can rail all you want and beat your head against a wall but fortunately there is the Second Amendment, which has been found to give an individual right to own a gun (not a collective militia right ) and there's no way around that for you gun haters...so go pound sand!

Hear, hear,
Well spoken.
Let's have more and more guns so that more and more Americans can kill each other at an ever increasing pace.
Might improve the odds for the rest of the world.

Why pound sand when nutters can murder school kids ?

Why

I couldn't have said it better...no amount of gun control (short of confiscating them all) will stop "nutters" from killing people.

True but confiscating the guns will reduce the numbers of people killed at a "single sitting" by the nutters....they will not be killing 20 during a single occurance with a knife or baseball bat will they ?

Lots of ways to kill scores of people at the same time...bombs, poison gas, cars, to name a few. But thanks for being honest in saying your goal is confiscation. Now get your hero Hillary to admit the same and let's see where the chips fall. Edited October 7, 2015 by Scott

[Soutpeel]

All the Democratic candidates as well as the majority of the American people believe there should be gun control laws. There isn't a single Republican candidate who would dare mention gun control because they'd be drummed out of the corp. That's the way they roll in wingnuttia.

Instead of real issues facing America, Republicans have their own issues they address. These aren't real problems. These are the problems Republicans want to address:

1. America has too few wars. (All the candidates are itching to start the next one.)
2. The rich pay too much in taxes. (Got to feed the cash machine)
3. America should do less about climate change. (Koch Bros don't like climate change talk.)
4. Poor people especially women are provided too much health insurance (Lazy bitches)
5. Immigrants are ruining everything (Put them all on buses and build the wall)

So instead of addressing the real problems like wage inequality, climate change, women's rights, the sorry state of the mental health programs, etc, etc, etc. We get the above crapola from the Republicans with ridiculous arguments like cars kill people so let's ban cars.

So it goes.

There are already strict gun control laws in the United States, including very strict laws in the most populated areas like California, New York, Illinois, and the District of Columbia (funny these are also some of the areas with the highest crime and gun homicide rates). Do you know how much BS law-abiding citizens have to go through to buy and carry/use a gun? Have you ever bought and owned a gun?

You can rail all you want and beat your head against a wall but fortunately there is the Second Amendment, which has been found to give an individual right to own a gun (not a collective militia right ) and there's no way around that for you gun haters...so go pound sand!

Hear, hear,
Well spoken.
Let's have more and more guns so that more and more Americans can kill each other at an ever increasing pace.
Might improve the odds for the rest of the world.

Why pound sand when nutters can murder school kids ?

Why

I couldn't have said it better...no amount of gun control (short of confiscating them all) will stop "nutters" from killing people.

True but confiscating the guns will reduce the numbers of people killed at a "single sitting" by the nutters....they will not be killing 20 during a single occurance with a knife or baseball bat will they ?

Lots of ways to kill many people at once...bombs, poison gas, cars, to name a few. But thanks for being honest in saying your goal is confiscation. Now get your hero Hillary to admit the same and let's see where the chips fall.

Not my hero in the least...not even a USer, but you will get a president you deserve.... i dont have a goal,

i have given observation and opinion from personal experience and the US is in need of some serious firearm controls irresepective of who does it as its out of hand with the nutjobs

the fact you have even thought about the ways one can kill lots of other people without a firearm suggests all is not right in "OMGiminPattaya" land

[OMGImInPattaya]

All the Democratic candidates as well as the majority of the American people believe there should be gun control laws. There isn't a single Republican candidate who would dare mention gun control because they'd be drummed out of the corp. That's the way they roll in wingnuttia.

Instead of real issues facing America, Republicans have their own issues they address. These aren't real problems. These are the problems Republicans want to address:

1. America has too few wars. (All the candidates are itching to start the next one.)
2. The rich pay too much in taxes. (Got to feed the cash machine)
3. America should do less about climate change. (Koch Bros don't like climate change talk.)
4. Poor people especially women are provided too much health insurance (Lazy bitches)
5. Immigrants are ruining everything (Put them all on buses and build the wall)

So instead of addressing the real problems like wage inequality, climate change, women's rights, the sorry state of the mental health programs, etc, etc, etc. We get the above crapola from the Republicans with ridiculous arguments like cars kill people so let's ban cars.

So it goes.

There are already strict gun control laws in the United States, including very strict laws in the most populated areas like California, New York, Illinois, and the District of Columbia (funny these are also some of the areas with the highest crime and gun homicide rates). Do you know how much BS law-abiding citizens have to go through to buy and carry/use a gun? Have you ever bought and owned a gun?

You can rail all you want and beat your head against a wall but fortunately there is the Second Amendment, which has been found to give an individual right to own a gun (not a collective militia right ) and there's no way around that for you gun haters...so go pound sand!

Hear, hear,
Well spoken.
Let's have more and more guns so that more and more Americans can kill each other at an ever increasing pace.
Might improve the odds for the rest of the world.

Why pound sand when nutters can murder school kids ?

Why

I couldn't have said it better...no amount of gun control (short of confiscating them all) will stop "nutters" from killing people.

True but confiscating the guns will reduce the numbers of people killed at a "single sitting" by the nutters....they will not be killing 20 during a single occurance with a knife or baseball bat will they ?

Lots of ways to kill many people at once...bombs, poison gas, cars, to name a few. But thanks for being honest in saying your goal is confiscation. Now get your hero Hillary to admit the same and let's see where the chips fall.

Not my hero in the least...not even a USer, but you will get a president you deserve.... i dont have a goal,

i have given observation and opinion from personal experience and the US is in need of some serious firearm controls irresepective of who does it as its out of hand with the nutjobs

the fact you have even thought about the ways one can kill lots of other people without a firearm suggests all is not right in "OMGiminPattaya" land

And now the coupe de grace...the ad hominem attack. I'm not biting. ?

[Soutpeel]

All the Democratic candidates as well as the majority of the American people believe there should be gun control laws. There isn't a single Republican candidate who would dare mention gun control because they'd be drummed out of the corp. That's the way they roll in wingnuttia.

Instead of real issues facing America, Republicans have their own issues they address. These aren't real problems. These are the problems Republicans want to address:

1. America has too few wars. (All the candidates are itching to start the next one.)
2. The rich pay too much in taxes. (Got to feed the cash machine)
3. America should do less about climate change. (Koch Bros don't like climate change talk.)
4. Poor people especially women are provided too much health insurance (Lazy bitches)
5. Immigrants are ruining everything (Put them all on buses and build the wall)

So instead of addressing the real problems like wage inequality, climate change, women's rights, the sorry state of the mental health programs, etc, etc, etc. We get the above crapola from the Republicans with ridiculous arguments like cars kill people so let's ban cars.

So it goes.

There are already strict gun control laws in the United States, including very strict laws in the most populated areas like California, New York, Illinois, and the District of Columbia (funny these are also some of the areas with the highest crime and gun homicide rates). Do you know how much BS law-abiding citizens have to go through to buy and carry/use a gun? Have you ever bought and owned a gun?

You can rail all you want and beat your head against a wall but fortunately there is the Second Amendment, which has been found to give an individual right to own a gun (not a collective militia right ) and there's no way around that for you gun haters...so go pound sand!

Hear, hear,
Well spoken.
Let's have more and more guns so that more and more Americans can kill each other at an ever increasing pace.
Might improve the odds for the rest of the world.

Why pound sand when nutters can murder school kids ?

Why

I couldn't have said it better...no amount of gun control (short of confiscating them all) will stop "nutters" from killing people.

True but confiscating the guns will reduce the numbers of people killed at a "single sitting" by the nutters....they will not be killing 20 during a single occurance with a knife or baseball bat will they ?

Lots of ways to kill many people at once...bombs, poison gas, cars, to name a few. But thanks for being honest in saying your goal is confiscation. Now get your hero Hillary to admit the same and let's see where the chips fall.

Not my hero in the least...not even a USer, but you will get a president you deserve.... i dont have a goal,

i have given observation and opinion from personal experience and the US is in need of some serious firearm controls irresepective of who does it as its out of hand with the nutjobs

the fact you have even thought about the ways one can kill lots of other people without a firearm suggests all is not right in "OMGiminPattaya" land

And now the coupe de grace...the ad hominem attack. I'm not biting.

Not an attack in the least....an observation on the basis of some of the attacks you have conducted on other posters in this thread

[OMGImInPattaya]

All the Democratic candidates as well as the majority of the American people believe there should be gun control laws. There isn't a single Republican candidate who would dare mention gun control because they'd be drummed out of the corp. That's the way they roll in wingnuttia.

Instead of real issues facing America, Republicans have their own issues they address. These aren't real problems. These are the problems Republicans want to address:

1. America has too few wars. (All the candidates are itching to start the next one.)
2. The rich pay too much in taxes. (Got to feed the cash machine)
3. America should do less about climate change. (Koch Bros don't like climate change talk.)
4. Poor people especially women are provided too much health insurance (Lazy bitches)
5. Immigrants are ruining everything (Put them all on buses and build the wall)

So instead of addressing the real problems like wage inequality, climate change, women's rights, the sorry state of the mental health programs, etc, etc, etc. We get the above crapola from the Republicans with ridiculous arguments like cars kill people so let's ban cars.

So it goes.

There are already strict gun control laws in the United States, including very strict laws in the most populated areas like California, New York, Illinois, and the District of Columbia (funny these are also some of the areas with the highest crime and gun homicide rates). Do you know how much BS law-abiding citizens have to go through to buy and carry/use a gun? Have you ever bought and owned a gun?

You can rail all you want and beat your head against a wall but fortunately there is the Second Amendment, which has been found to give an individual right to own a gun (not a collective militia right ) and there's no way around that for you gun haters...so go pound sand!

Hear, hear,
Well spoken.
Let's have more and more guns so that more and more Americans can kill each other at an ever increasing pace.
Might improve the odds for the rest of the world.

Why pound sand when nutters can murder school kids ?

Why

I couldn't have said it better...no amount of gun control (short of confiscating them all) will stop "nutters" from killing people.

True but confiscating the guns will reduce the numbers of people killed at a "single sitting" by the nutters....they will not be killing 20 during a single occurance with a knife or baseball bat will they ?

Lots of ways to kill many people at once...bombs, poison gas, cars, to name a few. But thanks for being honest in saying your goal is confiscation. Now get your hero Hillary to admit the same and let's see where the chips fall.

Not my hero in the least...not even a USer, but you will get a president you deserve.... i dont have a goal,

i have given observation and opinion from personal experience and the US is in need of some serious firearm controls irresepective of who does it as its out of hand with the nutjobs

the fact you have even thought about the ways one can kill lots of other people without a firearm suggests all is not right in "OMGiminPattaya" land

And now the coupe de grace...the ad hominem attack. I'm not biting.

Not an attack in the least....an observation on the basis of some of the attacks you have conducted on other posters in this thread

Can you point out one "attack," or does being bombarded with facts constitute an attack in your book?

[Soutpeel]

All the Democratic candidates as well as the majority of the American people believe there should be gun control laws. There isn't a single Republican candidate who would dare mention gun control because they'd be drummed out of the corp. That's the way they roll in wingnuttia.

Instead of real issues facing America, Republicans have their own issues they address. These aren't real problems. These are the problems Republicans want to address:

1. America has too few wars. (All the candidates are itching to start the next one.)
2. The rich pay too much in taxes. (Got to feed the cash machine)
3. America should do less about climate change. (Koch Bros don't like climate change talk.)
4. Poor people especially women are provided too much health insurance (Lazy bitches)
5. Immigrants are ruining everything (Put them all on buses and build the wall)

So instead of addressing the real problems like wage inequality, climate change, women's rights, the sorry state of the mental health programs, etc, etc, etc. We get the above crapola from the Republicans with ridiculous arguments like cars kill people so let's ban cars.

So it goes.

There are already strict gun control laws in the United States, including very strict laws in the most populated areas like California, New York, Illinois, and the District of Columbia (funny these are also some of the areas with the highest crime and gun homicide rates). Do you know how much BS law-abiding citizens have to go through to buy and carry/use a gun? Have you ever bought and owned a gun?

You can rail all you want and beat your head against a wall but fortunately there is the Second Amendment, which has been found to give an individual right to own a gun (not a collective militia right ) and there's no way around that for you gun haters...so go pound sand!

Hear, hear,
Well spoken.
Let's have more and more guns so that more and more Americans can kill each other at an ever increasing pace.
Might improve the odds for the rest of the world.

Why pound sand when nutters can murder school kids ?

Why

I couldn't have said it better...no amount of gun control (short of confiscating them all) will stop "nutters" from killing people.

True but confiscating the guns will reduce the numbers of people killed at a "single sitting" by the nutters....they will not be killing 20 during a single occurance with a knife or baseball bat will they ?

Lots of ways to kill many people at once...bombs, poison gas, cars, to name a few. But thanks for being honest in saying your goal is confiscation. Now get your hero Hillary to admit the same and let's see where the chips fall.

Not my hero in the least...not even a USer, but you will get a president you deserve.... i dont have a goal,

i have given observation and opinion from personal experience and the US is in need of some serious firearm controls irresepective of who does it as its out of hand with the nutjobs

the fact you have even thought about the ways one can kill lots of other people without a firearm suggests all is not right in "OMGiminPattaya" land

And now the coupe de grace...the ad hominem attack. I'm not biting.

Not an attack in the least....an observation on the basis of some of the attacks you have conducted on other posters in this thread

Can you point out one "attack," or does being bombarded with facts constitute an attack in your book?

Post #64 for starters....your not posting facts your posting propaganda

[OMGImInPattaya]

All the Democratic candidates as well as the majority of the American people believe there should be gun control laws. There isn't a single Republican candidate who would dare mention gun control because they'd be drummed out of the corp. That's the way they roll in wingnuttia.

Instead of real issues facing America, Republicans have their own issues they address. These aren't real problems. These are the problems Republicans want to address:

1. America has too few wars. (All the candidates are itching to start the next one.)
2. The rich pay too much in taxes. (Got to feed the cash machine)
3. America should do less about climate change. (Koch Bros don't like climate change talk.)
4. Poor people especially women are provided too much health insurance (Lazy bitches)
5. Immigrants are ruining everything (Put them all on buses and build the wall)

So instead of addressing the real problems like wage inequality, climate change, women's rights, the sorry state of the mental health programs, etc, etc, etc. We get the above crapola from the Republicans with ridiculous arguments like cars kill people so let's ban cars.

So it goes.

There are already strict gun control laws in the United States, including very strict laws in the most populated areas like California, New York, Illinois, and the District of Columbia (funny these are also some of the areas with the highest crime and gun homicide rates). Do you know how much BS law-abiding citizens have to go through to buy and carry/use a gun? Have you ever bought and owned a gun?

You can rail all you want and beat your head against a wall but fortunately there is the Second Amendment, which has been found to give an individual right to own a gun (not a collective militia right ) and there's no way around that for you gun haters...so go pound sand!

Hear, hear,
Well spoken.
Let's have more and more guns so that more and more Americans can kill each other at an ever increasing pace.
Might improve the odds for the rest of the world.

Why pound sand when nutters can murder school kids ?

Why

I couldn't have said it better...no amount of gun control (short of confiscating them all) will stop "nutters" from killing people.

True but confiscating the guns will reduce the numbers of people killed at a "single sitting" by the nutters....they will not be killing 20 during a single occurance with a knife or baseball bat will they ?

Lots of ways to kill many people at once...bombs, poison gas, cars, to name a few. But thanks for being honest in saying your goal is confiscation. Now get your hero Hillary to admit the same and let's see where the chips fall.

Not my hero in the least...not even a USer, but you will get a president you deserve.... i dont have a goal,

i have given observation and opinion from personal experience and the US is in need of some serious firearm controls irresepective of who does it as its out of hand with the nutjobs

the fact you have even thought about the ways one can kill lots of other people without a firearm suggests all is not right in "OMGiminPattaya" land

And now the coupe de grace...the ad hominem attack. I'm not biting.

Not an attack in the least....an observation on the basis of some of the attacks you have conducted on other posters in this thread

Can you point out one "attack," or does being bombarded with facts constitute an attack in your book?

Post #64 for starters....your not posting facts your posting propaganda

Is that the one where I eviscerated your argument that the United States has a high level of gun violence? I understand why you're pissed off now.

[MiKT]

"Please, please, please elect ME! I'll say and do ANYTHING! Just elect me PLEASE!"

She just turned down the NRA's dirty money for her election campaign...

Seems she has something that no other American President has had... Balls

How much money did Trump take?

It is so easy to slam dunk (debate wise) non Americans talking about American politics on wonders why they keep trying?

Maybe to help you to spell one for one. Leaving aside 3rd world countries and those at war, the rest of the civilised world has reasonable gun ownership laws and far, far less gun related homicides. In am not against gun ownership if reasonably regulated and strongly vetted but it beggers belief that the US cannot get a grip on this. Do away with all open carry permissions except for law enforcement officers would be a good start. Especially no permission to carry to school.

[Soutpeel]

All the Democratic candidates as well as the majority of the American people believe there should be gun control laws. There isn't a single Republican candidate who would dare mention gun control because they'd be drummed out of the corp. That's the way they roll in wingnuttia.

Instead of real issues facing America, Republicans have their own issues they address. These aren't real problems. These are the problems Republicans want to address:

1. America has too few wars. (All the candidates are itching to start the next one.)
2. The rich pay too much in taxes. (Got to feed the cash machine)
3. America should do less about climate change. (Koch Bros don't like climate change talk.)
4. Poor people especially women are provided too much health insurance (Lazy bitches)
5. Immigrants are ruining everything (Put them all on buses and build the wall)

So instead of addressing the real problems like wage inequality, climate change, women's rights, the sorry state of the mental health programs, etc, etc, etc. We get the above crapola from the Republicans with ridiculous arguments like cars kill people so let's ban cars.

So it goes.

There are already strict gun control laws in the United States, including very strict laws in the most populated areas like California, New York, Illinois, and the District of Columbia (funny these are also some of the areas with the highest crime and gun homicide rates). Do you know how much BS law-abiding citizens have to go through to buy and carry/use a gun? Have you ever bought and owned a gun?

You can rail all you want and beat your head against a wall but fortunately there is the Second Amendment, which has been found to give an individual right to own a gun (not a collective militia right ) and there's no way around that for you gun haters...so go pound sand!

Hear, hear,
Well spoken.
Let's have more and more guns so that more and more Americans can kill each other at an ever increasing pace.
Might improve the odds for the rest of the world.

Why pound sand when nutters can murder school kids ?

Why

I couldn't have said it better...no amount of gun control (short of confiscating them all) will stop "nutters" from killing people.

True but confiscating the guns will reduce the numbers of people killed at a "single sitting" by the nutters....they will not be killing 20 during a single occurance with a knife or baseball bat will they ?

Lots of ways to kill many people at once...bombs, poison gas, cars, to name a few. But thanks for being honest in saying your goal is confiscation. Now get your hero Hillary to admit the same and let's see where the chips fall.

Not my hero in the least...not even a USer, but you will get a president you deserve.... i dont have a goal,

i have given observation and opinion from personal experience and the US is in need of some serious firearm controls irresepective of who does it as its out of hand with the nutjobs

the fact you have even thought about the ways one can kill lots of other people without a firearm suggests all is not right in "OMGiminPattaya" land

And now the coupe de grace...the ad hominem attack. I'm not biting.

Not an attack in the least....an observation on the basis of some of the attacks you have conducted on other posters in this thread

Can you point out one "attack," or does being bombarded with facts constitute an attack in your book?

Post #64 for starters....your not posting facts your posting propaganda

Is that the one where I eviscerated your argument that the United States has a high level of gun violence? I understand why you're pissed off now.

What have you supposed to "eviscerated" exactly ?

Why would i be pissed off exactly ?...i have given my opinions thats all

but even in this post your latent violent tendancies comes through once again

1. A gun nut obviously
2. Suggesting methods of killing multiple people without a fire arm
3. And now using words like "enviserate "...indicating latent agression....

[MaxYakov]

A lying politician named Hillary
Should be hauled off to an awaiting pillory.
For blaming the massacre in Oregon on pistolos
And the attack in Benghazi on Mohammad videos.
How she can be considered for President is beyond me.

[Scott]

Please stay on the topic and refrain from making baiting comments to other posters.

[LawrenceChee]

She gets my vote based on that point if I could vote ....schools should be safe period and if gun control starts there ....it great news for parents and the staff who work there

Since this is a uniquely American thing ....just add the airport screening equipment at each school ...good practice for the kids when they get to an American airport ...most foul travel experiences a businessman would ever encounter with the most obnoxious TsA idiots

[OMGImInPattaya]

All the Democratic candidates as well as the majority of the American people believe there should be gun control laws. There isn't a single Republican candidate who would dare mention gun control because they'd be drummed out of the corp. That's the way they roll in wingnuttia.

Instead of real issues facing America, Republicans have their own issues they address. These aren't real problems. These are the problems Republicans want to address:

1. America has too few wars. (All the candidates are itching to start the next one.)

2. The rich pay too much in taxes. (Got to feed the cash machine)

3. America should do less about climate change. (Koch Bros don't like climate change talk.)

4. Poor people especially women are provided too much health insurance (Lazy bitches)

5. Immigrants are ruining everything (Put them all on buses and build the wall)

So instead of addressing the real problems like wage inequality, climate change, women's rights, the sorry state of the mental health programs, etc, etc, etc. We get the above crapola from the Republicans with ridiculous arguments like cars kill people so let's ban cars.

So it goes.

There are already strict gun control laws in the United States, including very strict laws in the most populated areas like California, New York, Illinois, and the District of Columbia (funny these are also some of the areas with the highest crime and gun homicide rates). Do you know how much BS law-abiding citizens have to go through to buy and carry/use a gun? Have you ever bought and owned a gun?

You can rail all you want and beat your head against a wall but fortunately there is the Second Amendment, which has been found to give an individual right to own a gun (not a collective militia right ) and there's no way around that for you gun haters...so go pound sand!

Hear, hear,

Well spoken.

Let's have more and more guns so that more and more Americans can kill each other at an ever increasing pace.

Might improve the odds for the rest of the world.

Why pound sand when nutters can murder school kids ?

Why

I couldn't have said it better...no amount of gun control (short of confiscating them all) will stop "nutters" from killing people.

True but confiscating the guns will reduce the numbers of people killed at a "single sitting" by the nutters....they will not be killing 20 during a single occurance with a knife or baseball bat will they ?

Lots of ways to kill many people at once...bombs, poison gas, cars, to name a few. But thanks for being honest in saying your goal is confiscation. Now get your hero Hillary to admit the same and let's see where the chips fall.

Not my hero in the least...not even a USer, but you will get a president you deserve.... i dont have a goal,

i have given observation and opinion from personal experience and the US is in need of some serious firearm controls irresepective of who does it as its out of hand with the nutjobs

the fact you have even thought about the ways one can kill lots of other people without a firearm suggests all is not right in "OMGiminPattaya" land

And now the coupe de grace...the ad hominem attack. I'm not biting.

Not an attack in the least....an observation on the basis of some of the attacks you have conducted on other posters in this thread

Can you point out one "attack," or does being bombarded with facts constitute an attack in your book?

Post #64 for starters....your not posting facts your posting propaganda

Is that the one where I eviscerated your argument that the United States has a high level of gun violence? I understand why you're pissed off now.

What have you supposed to "eviscerated" exactly ?

Why would i be pissed off exactly ?...i have given my opinions thats all

but even in this post your latent violent tendancies comes through once again

1. A gun nut obviously

2. Suggesting methods of killing multiple people without a fire arm

3. And now using words like "enviserate "...indicating latent agression....

So you're doing Sigmund Freud impersonations now is it...but with a modern twist...doing psychoanalysis over the Internet ?

[OMGImInPattaya]

She gets my vote based on that point if I could vote ....schools should be safe period and if gun control starts there ....it great news for parents and the staff who work there

Since this is a uniquely American thing ....just add the airport screening equipment at each school ...good practice for the kids when they get to an American airport ...most foul travel experiences a businessman would ever encounter with the most obnoxious TsA idiots

What's uniquely American...mass killings. I'm sure it's a great comfort to those 75 or so Norwegian children, and their family and friends, at that holiday camp that they're not really dead because deranged killers only exist in America. And didn't you see my post that America ranks Seventh among advanced nations in mass shootings events.

[LawrenceChee]

She gets my vote based on that point if I could vote ....schools should be safe period and if gun control starts there ....it great news for parents and the staff who work there

Since this is a uniquely American thing ....just add the airport screening equipment at each school ...good practice for the kids when they get to an American airport ...most foul travel experiences a businessman would ever encounter with the most obnoxious TsA idiots

What's uniquely American...mass killings. I'm sure it's a great comfort to those 75 or so Norwegian children, and their family and friends, at that holiday camp that they're not really dead because deranged killers only exist in America. And didn't you see my post that America ranks Seventh among advanced nations in mass shootings events.

Yes that was a tragedy too however if you compare that to statistics and frequency unfortunately usa takes the TOP spot and this is not one of those things you want to No 1 for ....

[OMGImInPattaya]

She gets my vote based on that point if I could vote ....schools should be safe period and if gun control starts there ....it great news for parents and the staff who work there

Since this is a uniquely American thing ....just add the airport screening equipment at each school ...good practice for the kids when they get to an American airport ...most foul travel experiences a businessman would ever encounter with the most obnoxious TsA idiots

What's uniquely American...mass killings. I'm sure it's a great comfort to those 75 or so Norwegian children, and their family and friends, at that holiday camp that they're not really dead because deranged killers only exist in America. And didn't you see my post that America ranks Seventh among advanced nations in mass shootings events.

Yes that was a tragedy too however if you compare that to statistics and frequency unfortunately usa takes the TOP spot and this is not one of those things you want to No 1 for ....

...except it isn't, but don't let the facts get in the way of your opinion. Edited October 8, 2015 by OMGImInPattaya