villageidiotY2K Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Seems need to submit proof of address from landlord when applying for extension. Officer told me I had to pay fines, due to landlord not inform them within 24hrs of my stay. How much fine are we looking at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oncearugge Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 800-2000 Bht. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villageidiotY2K Posted October 7, 2015 Author Share Posted October 7, 2015 Oh thx mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 The max fine is 2000 baht. I have seen reports from 800 to 1600 baht fines being charged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneyboy Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Which immigration office are you applying at so others know what to expect in the future,possibly saving some people the hassles your having. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villageidiotY2K Posted October 7, 2015 Author Share Posted October 7, 2015 Seems I have to fork it out instead of the Lord eh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 You can avoid this easily by submitting the TM.30 in your own name as the House-Master, ie the possessor of the residence in your capacity as the tenant. With the lease agreement, the owner of the residence handed possession over to you and therefore the owner is no longer the House-Master and thus not obliged to submit the TM.30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayned Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 You can avoid this easily by submitting the TM.30 in your own name as the House-Master, ie the possessor of the residence in your capacity as the tenant. With the lease agreement, the owner of the residence handed possession over to you and therefore the owner is no longer the House-Master and thus not obliged to submit the TM.30 Where did this "legal" interpretation of the law come from? Links please, if any. If what you are saying is true, when you check into a hotel you basically sign a short term agreement and possession of the room is handed over to you and the hotel is no longer responsible for reporting your presence to immigratio, I don't think so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 You can avoid this easily by submitting the TM.30 in your own name as the House-Master, ie the possessor of the residence in your capacity as the tenant. With the lease agreement, the owner of the residence handed possession over to you and therefore the owner is no longer the House-Master and thus not obliged to submit the TM.30 Where did this "legal" interpretation of the law come from? Links please, if any. If what you are saying is true, when you check into a hotel you basically sign a short term agreement and possession of the room is handed over to you and the hotel is no longer responsible for reporting your presence to immigratio, I don't think so! The immigration act has different rules for a home owner verses a business such as a hotel. Immigration Act 2522 en.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chang50 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Can't open that attachment...trying to get my head round this,so now tenants are being fined for something the vast majority are unaware of?Wow...things are getting crazy.If you are not in regular contact with your landlord or their agent it's not easy to find out what they may or may not have submitted.The first address on the TM 30 form is your landlord's as I read it...how are you supposed to know that unless they tell you...speechless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oncearugge Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Can't open that attachment...trying to get my head round this,so now tenants are being fined for something the vast majority are unaware of?Wow...things are getting crazy.If you are not in regular contact with your landlord or their agent it's not easy to find out what they may or may not have submitted.The first address on the TM 30 form is your landlord's as I read it...how are you supposed to know that unless they tell you...speechless. The link works! Do you have a PDF reader ? If not download one they are free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chang50 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Can't open that attachment...trying to get my head round this,so now tenants are being fined for something the vast majority are unaware of?Wow...things are getting crazy.If you are not in regular contact with your landlord or their agent it's not easy to find out what they may or may not have submitted.The first address on the TM 30 form is your landlord's as I read it...how are you supposed to know that unless they tell you...speechless. The link works! Do you have a PDF reader ? If not download one they are free. just my slow connection probably,wont download past 92%.Will try later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 You can avoid this easily by submitting the TM.30 in your own name as the House-Master, ie the possessor of the residence in your capacity as the tenant. With the lease agreement, the owner of the residence handed possession over to you and therefore the owner is no longer the House-Master and thus not obliged to submit the TM.30 Where did this "legal" interpretation of the law come from? Links please, if any. If what you are saying is true, when you check into a hotel you basically sign a short term agreement and possession of the room is handed over to you and the hotel is no longer responsible for reporting your presence to immigratio, I don't think so! Immigration Act, Section 4, definition of House Master. In the original Thai text of the Act, look for the definition of เจ้าบ้านChecking into a hotel, I do not become the possessor of the hotel room. I am merely using a service provided by the hotel. The obligation of the hotel management to report the arrival of guests to Immigration is spelt out in another section of the Immigration Act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksam Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) You can avoid this easily by submitting the TM.30 in your own name as the House-Master, ie the possessor of the residence in your capacity as the tenant. With the lease agreement, the owner of the residence handed possession over to you and therefore the owner is no longer the House-Master and thus not obliged to submit the TM.30 I was in exact same boat as the OP. I have lease with condo. Don't think they ever sent in a tm 30. I had read a thread about someone doing their first extension and we're hit with a fine. I submitted a tm 30 by post with my tgf as possessor. (We are both on lease) could of done it with me as possessor. Did that about 30 days befor my extension at bkk. Maybe I didn't need to send it in . However no suggestion of fine. Edited October 9, 2015 by jacksam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualbiker Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 You can avoid this easily by submitting the TM.30 in your own name as the House-Master, ie the possessor of the residence in your capacity as the tenant. With the lease agreement, the owner of the residence handed possession over to you and therefore the owner is no longer the House-Master and thus not obliged to submit the TM.30 Where did this "legal" interpretation of the law come from? Links please, if any. If what you are saying is true, when you check into a hotel you basically sign a short term agreement and possession of the room is handed over to you and the hotel is no longer responsible for reporting your presence to immigratio, I don't think so! Immigration Act, Section 4, definition of House Master. In the original Thai text of the Act, look for the definition of เจ้าบ้านChecking into a hotel, I do not become the possessor of the hotel room. I am merely using a service provided by the hotel. The obligation of the hotel management to report the arrival of guests to Immigration is spelt out in another section of the Immigration Act. My local immigration office (Nakhon Pathom) are not allowing that. The house is rented in my wife's name proper Land office lease agreement and signed copy of her ID card was not enough.. In the end it had to be copy of owners ID card, copy of house book AND copy of owners house book (where they are living) plus the forms signed etc.. Pain in the arse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualbiker Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 You can avoid this easily by submitting the TM.30 in your own name as the House-Master, ie the possessor of the residence in your capacity as the tenant. With the lease agreement, the owner of the residence handed possession over to you and therefore the owner is no longer the House-Master and thus not obliged to submit the TM.30 Where did this "legal" interpretation of the law come from? Links please, if any. If what you are saying is true, when you check into a hotel you basically sign a short term agreement and possession of the room is handed over to you and the hotel is no longer responsible for reporting your presence to immigratio, I don't think so! The immigration act has different rules for a home owner verses a business such as a hotel. Do you have that in Thai ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 You can avoid this easily by submitting the TM.30 in your own name as the House-Master, ie the possessor of the residence in your capacity as the tenant. With the lease agreement, the owner of the residence handed possession over to you and therefore the owner is no longer the House-Master and thus not obliged to submit the TM.30 Where did this "legal" interpretation of the law come from? Links please, if any. If what you are saying is true, when you check into a hotel you basically sign a short term agreement and possession of the room is handed over to you and the hotel is no longer responsible for reporting your presence to immigratio, I don't think so! The immigration act has different rules for a home owner verses a business such as a hotel. Do you have that in Thai ? Immigration Act B.E. 2522 Thai text 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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